| 00:03.09 | Noshei | like I said purl hates me |
| 00:08.57 | Noshei | So I've figured that I will have to buy and spend about $2500 to max loyalty from where I am right now. |
| 00:09.24 | seebs | It's certainly way more expensive now that they fixed the loophole. |
| 00:09.39 | Noshei | has that fix gone in? |
| 00:10.07 | seebs | Huh. |
| 00:10.11 | seebs | UI.Native.Tooltip:GetTop |
| 00:10.17 | seebs | This appears to always yield 0. |
| 00:10.35 | seebs | This makes it hard to determine whether the tooltip is closer to the top or bottom of the screen... |
| 00:10.49 | Noshei | it doesnt for me |
| 00:11.17 | seebs | I wonder whether I'm doing it at the wrong time, such as before the tooltip has actually been fully updated. I believe I'm doing it on an Event.Tooltip. |
| 00:12.20 | seebs | Trick is, the native UI is clearly able to move the tooltip relative to the mouse cursor to avoid it going off-screen. |
| 00:12.46 | seebs | But I can't find a place that is likely to be near that tooltip, and not off-screen. |
| 00:22.05 | seebs | Interesting. If I wait a bit, UI.Native.Tooltip:GetTop() starts being useful. It's just 0 during my event handler. |
| 00:23.28 | Ivnedar | D'oh, Wildtide logged off |
| 00:23.33 | Ivnedar | wanted to complain about gadgets :P |
| 00:42.06 | seebs | Oh, interesting. |
| 00:42.52 | Noshei | ? |
| 00:43.13 | seebs | Okay, so it appears that if I wait for an Event.System.Update.Begin with a newer timestamp than the system had when I got Event.Tooltip, I can get the location information for the UI.Native.Tooltip. |
| 00:44.50 | seebs | Interesting. UI.Native.Tooltip appears to get set to a location which is a fixed position relative to the item being moused over. |
| 01:02.10 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 01:03.09 | seebs | I'm looking at RiftUI's category list, and I am not sure where to put alt-maintenance mods. I mean, right now it's inventory, but it could also do things like levels, daily quests, notorieties… At which point I'm not sure what category to put it in. |
| 01:03.23 | seebs | I think for now I'll just use the inventory category. |
| 01:21.11 | Noshei | how large is the guild addon storage, ZorbaBeta? |
| 01:21.24 | ZorbaBeta | I think it's 8k? you can check with the API |
| 01:23.22 | Noshei | yup |
| 01:39.27 | Ivnedar | I don't see the point of the RATs if we have numbered markers |
| 01:44.27 | Noshei | my god KBM polutes the global table |
| 01:44.45 | Ivnedar | not my fault! (I hope) |
| 01:45.27 | Noshei | no, he designed it that way. The settings for every single boss right is a completely different global table |
| 01:46.11 | Noshei | coule easily clean that up by creating a single KBM global and putting everything else under it. |
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| 01:57.25 | Ivnedar | I think it was also because every encounter can have character or account based settings |
| 01:57.37 | Ivnedar | so there are 4 saved variables for each encounter |
| 01:57.50 | Ivnedar | or maybe only 2 per encounter |
| 01:57.59 | Ivnedar | one for character, one for account |
| 01:58.36 | Ivnedar | but yeah, there could be one character saved var and one account saved var and all the encounter stuff lives under those |
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| 02:57.05 | Noshei | anyone know of how I can get the screen resolution? |
| 02:57.15 | Ivnedar | check the size of uiparent? |
| 02:57.27 | Ivnedar | height, width |
| 02:57.49 | Noshei | ah good call, thanks |
| 02:58.53 | Ivnedar | I remember talking about it ages ago when kbm element positioning was attempting to move to % of screen width/height instead of absolute |
| 02:58.58 | Ivnedar | so let it scale better |
| 02:59.07 | Ivnedar | not sure if that ever finished |
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| 03:12.11 | Ivnedar | I hadn't considered adding slash command info into the addon description so it shows up in game |
| 03:12.15 | Ivnedar | Looks quite nice :) |
| 03:12.54 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: I think Event.Addon.Startup.End is broken |
| 03:14.27 | ZorbaBeta | I'll admit I'd find that surprising, it's one of the simplest events in the whole thing and I haven't touched it for a year or more. what's it doing? |
| 03:15.26 | Noshei | dang it, was my fault |
| 03:15.46 | ZorbaBeta | woot :V |
| 03:15.51 | ZorbaBeta | what was the mistake, out of curiosity? |
| 03:16.50 | Noshei | so I was loading variables from a file that didn't yet exist, so when I set a global table within my addon = to _G["savedVar"] is resulted in the table being nil so it was removed |
| 03:17.05 | Noshei | so when I tried to access that table later on it wasn't there |
| 03:17.11 | ZorbaBeta | ah |
| 03:17.34 | Noshei | so I figured for some reason that the entire addon wasn't actually loaded |
| 03:45.08 | Noshei | gah I hate that we cant do borders very well |
| 03:45.51 | Noshei | any eta on that new frame ZorbaBeta and will we be able to do borders with it? |
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| 04:00.09 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: can we get more addon storage, PLEASE! |
| 04:01.06 | Noshei | I'm working on a DKP addon right now and as I come up with stuff I want in it I realise I need more and more storage |
| 04:01.40 | Ivnedar | it's a catch 22, lots of ideas don't happen because of lack of storage, storage doesn't grow because nothing's using it |
| 04:01.54 | Noshei | yeah no kidding |
| 04:02.41 | Noshei | I want to be able to keep a history of items that are given out and dkp gains and losses, but those will take up a MASSIVE amount of space to do. |
| 04:03.06 | Ivnedar | you'd only keep the item types? |
| 04:03.21 | Noshei | yeah |
| 04:03.52 | Noshei | but even so, I'm guessing I could easily use up 8 KB in about a month or 2 |
| 04:04.02 | Noshei | and that is with compression |
| 04:05.29 | Noshei | just my test is already using 850 bytes |
| 04:06.03 | Noshei | and that is only storing players and their DKP value, granted it is storing about 150 players, but still. |
| 04:07.47 | Noshei | I would thinkg a tiered system would be WAY more effecient for trion than just a flat amount. Though it is harder to implement of course |
| 04:13.08 | seebs | LibMerisioux could easily use ~1600 bytes of storage per character. |
| 04:13.33 | seebs | So basically, if I change it to use storage, then… It's the only thing in storage. |
| 04:20.19 | Ivnedar | Make it pop up a message whenever storage is full "Storage is full. Please contact Trion to ask for an increase." :D |
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| 04:29.51 | Ivnedar | always fun when you can let a vendor know how to do something with their product that they didn't think was possible after they mention that another customer was having a problem with it |
| 04:32.48 | Noshei | lol |
| 04:37.33 | Noshei | well now I'm kinda not sure if I want to put the time into this addon if I can't make it fully featured |
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| 04:38.29 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: I just put up a post about why we need a Tiered storage solution for Guild Storage and not the flat system that is currently in use, massive storage savings possible!!! |
| 05:29.50 | ZorbaBeta | the reason the guild storage space cap exists is so we can do a better job of guaranteeing the servers are still up. raising the cap massively wouldn't do that anymore |
| 05:29.58 | ZorbaBeta | we don't allocate space unless the space is being used, note :P |
| 05:37.27 | Noshei | ah so it is all thin partitioned. |
| 05:40.13 | Noshei | man creating tabs takes so many frames |
| 05:45.12 | Baanano | noshei, if itemtypes are your problem, you could use a prebuilt loot table, plus a shared "discovered" loot table, that should save a lot of space |
| 05:46.07 | Noshei | I think the bigger issue would be the history part, not so much the itemtypes (though those are a lot of byte) |
| 05:48.14 | Baanano | yes that could use a lot of space too if you keep full history, but it'd be doable if you only keep history on the latest N raids: store a summary in guild addon storage and the detail in the wall |
| 05:51.03 | Noshei | lets say you have a perfect 20 man roster, you award dkp each raid night and raid 4 nights a week with an average of 4 items looted per night. One night of raiding requires at least 24 table entries, one week is 96. Best case that is roughly 980 bytes per week. |
| 05:53.54 | Noshei | best case that compresses to about 470 bytes, your looking at no more than 4 months of data. |
| 05:54.02 | Noshei | and that is best case |
| 05:57.22 | Baanano | hm don't have time to analyze it properly right now, but i think it can be done with ~500 bytes/week pre compression |
| 05:58.18 | Thorarin | You could consider using guild storage only for recent data, and syncing it to local storage of officers |
| 05:58.41 | Noshei | maybe, mine was a very rough estimate, and it depends a ton on the table structure. |
| 05:59.30 | Noshei | If I end up using local storage it will be for everyone, that way the data is more likely to be available at any time and also more likely to be accurate. |
| 06:00.11 | Thorarin | Everyone with the addon is fine I guess :) |
| 06:00.21 | Noshei | but I still have to build the UI and what not. |
| 06:00.37 | Thorarin | UI is a pain in the butt to build in any technology :) |
| 06:01.02 | Noshei | well we do a private bid system, so I am going to build that in as well. |
| 06:01.03 | Thorarin | So many ideas of mine never get finished because of "meh, more boring UI" :P |
| 06:01.28 | Noshei | lol |
| 06:01.43 | Noshei | well ui is even worse for me, cause im OCD about things being perfect |
| 06:02.10 | Noshei | I can see that 1 pixel difference! |
| 06:02.27 | Thorarin | I'm a bit of a perfectionist as well, but Rift forces you to give up on that |
| 06:02.45 | Noshei | not for the UI it doesn't |
| 06:03.18 | Thorarin | In KaruulAlert there are several checkboxes which are exactly the same frame size. I don't use UI scaling. |
| 06:03.31 | Thorarin | Yet some checkboxes are 2 pixels larger than others |
| 06:04.07 | Noshei | thats gonna be cause by how you are anchoring stuff |
| 06:04.28 | Thorarin | It makes no sense :S |
| 06:04.43 | Ivnedar | I should update my kalert |
| 06:05.02 | Ivnedar | I assume there's one out now that supports the 20 roles |
| 06:05.29 | Ivnedar | I did a search/replace last night between pulls when I realised my set 7 was running into subsets |
| 06:05.29 | Thorarin | Anyway, UI will never be anywhere near perfect when I'm making it... so for that part I kinda gave up :P |
| 06:06.00 | Thorarin | Yeah, can do 20 sets |
| 06:06.07 | Ivnedar | goodo |
| 06:06.23 | Thorarin | The UI to select them sucks tho, still the left/right button |
| 06:06.28 | Thorarin | Clicking 30 times ftl |
| 06:06.48 | Ivnedar | I've only ever used it auto |
| 06:06.55 | Ivnedar | quicker to change roles to modify them :P |
| 06:06.56 | Thorarin | Tried a combobox but it was much too large |
| 06:07.13 | Thorarin | Hmm I suppose |
| 06:07.37 | Thorarin | Still leaves subsets, but not many people use them atm I guess |
| 06:07.39 | Ivnedar | Could make clicking on the set number make a text box appear with the current number |
| 06:07.43 | Ivnedar | so you can type in the next one |
| 06:07.45 | Thorarin | But I'm planning to make them more useful |
| 06:07.48 | Ivnedar | I've never used them :D |
| 06:07.56 | Ivnedar | I don't think I've ever known what they were |
| 06:08.05 | Ivnedar | Just that subset 1 != set 7 |
| 06:08.05 | Ivnedar | :P |
| 06:08.14 | Thorarin | That's because the name is kinda wrong :) |
| 06:08.43 | Ivnedar | I assume they're for making a set that can float between other sets as a shared addon thing? |
| 06:08.57 | Thorarin | Basically they were intended for situation specific alerts, rather than role specific alerts, or smt |
| 06:09.03 | Ivnedar | so you'd be in set 1 which has things specific to that set, plus subset 1 which has stuff you commonly want |
| 06:09.08 | Ivnedar | then you can have set 2 and subet 1 |
| 06:09.10 | Ivnedar | oh, ok |
| 06:09.50 | Thorarin | So common stuff you want everywhere, PVP alerts, dunno :) |
| 06:10.30 | Ivnedar | could replace kbm with enough sub sets and triggered sub set selection :P |
| 06:10.43 | Ivnedar | if zone == blah and scene == bleh then load sub set 5 |
| 06:10.49 | Ivnedar | sub set 5 has the alerts you want for that boss |
| 06:10.52 | Thorarin | That was part of the plan |
| 06:11.00 | Thorarin | And loading multiple sub sets |
| 06:11.27 | Thorarin | Because right now I put my alerts in between my specs :S |
| 06:11.41 | Thorarin | I have alerts named like GA3 - Whatever :) |
| 06:12.07 | Ivnedar | lol |
| 06:12.12 | Thorarin | I prefer KBM for most boss alerts, but sometimes they aren't there yet |
| 06:12.20 | Ivnedar | working on it! :P |
| 06:12.35 | Ivnedar | Sometimes I forget to update the repo |
| 06:12.50 | Ivnedar | I prefer to wait until they're working perfectly for me before publishing, but that takes much longer |
| 06:13.09 | Ivnedar | custom triggers/alerts are coming I believe |
| 06:13.11 | Ivnedar | so that'll help |
| 06:13.16 | Ivnedar | make your own encounter module on the fly |
| 06:14.16 | Thorarin | cool :) |
| 06:14.41 | Noshei | man I love getting in CQ at the last minute to a win |
| 06:14.47 | Noshei | done it 3 times just tonight |
| 06:14.50 | Ivnedar | nice! |
| 06:15.05 | Ivnedar | I need to do my bimonthly cq win quest more often |
| 06:15.21 | Noshei | it is just a matter of being fast an patient |
| 06:15.29 | Noshei | s/an/and |
| 06:15.31 | Ivnedar | or joining the premade |
| 06:15.39 | Noshei | screw that waste of time |
| 06:17.14 | Noshei | just get CQ tracker and once the timer starts pull up the CQ window. And wait for the winning teams button to change from Full to Join. The second it changes click it and the subsequent pops as soon as possible. |
| 06:17.50 | Ivnedar | I used to do that, usually doesn't work |
| 06:17.58 | Ivnedar | my cq power is 0 now, gave up maintaining that |
| 06:18.11 | Noshei | it works for me every time |
| 06:19.08 | Ivnedar | If I hit join the instant it changes, I get put on a random team |
| 06:19.09 | Ivnedar | shrugs |
| 06:27.00 | Noshei | well now that it is july 5th time for me to go to bed, have to get up early ish tomorrow. |
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| 07:58.34 | Kheldar | Hi |
| 08:29.44 | Adelea | HI |
| 08:30.06 | Ivnedar | hi :) |
| 08:40.24 | Ivnedar | facepalms america |
| 08:40.34 | Ivnedar | so many tweets wishing america a happy 2013th birthday |
| 08:40.44 | Ivnedar | and how they can't believe america is 2013 years old today ... |
| 08:41.29 | Adelea | ... |
| 08:44.14 | Adelea | Jul 4 isnt even the date the country became a soverign state either! |
| 08:44.50 | Ivnedar | So many levels of fail |
| 08:45.39 | Adelea | its things like this that make me glad i dont use twitter! |
| 08:46.20 | Thorarin | 2013 years old, wtf? :P |
| 08:47.16 | Ivnedar | But it's independance day 2013, so that means america is 2013 years old! don't you know history and stuff? |
| 08:47.30 | Ivnedar | originally I thought they were trolling, but no, most of these seem genuine |
| 08:50.43 | Thorarin | sad... |
| 08:56.37 | Thorarin | Admittedly I did not know exactly which year it actually was from the top of my head, but late 18th century is a better guess than year 0, which never even existed in the first place :P |
| 09:35.30 | Ivnedar | 645 hailol rep from one foothold, woo |
| 09:36.16 | Ivnedar | new record for me :P |
| 09:36.21 | Ivnedar | 40% vial |
| 09:37.26 | Ivnedar | 44 ticks of +11 rep |
| 09:49.53 | Ivnedar | wow, the packaging for these 60 day time cards is crazy |
| 09:50.24 | Ivnedar | dvd case, printed insert, empty, has a code on a sticker on the inside of the insert |
| 10:24.38 | Ivnedar | ooh, the weekend warrior bundle looks tempting |
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| 11:21.00 | Thorarin | Weekend Warrior bundle? 0.o |
| 11:21.09 | Thorarin | Never heard of ti |
| 11:21.25 | Ivnedar | check in the in game store :D |
| 11:31.25 | Ivnedar | it's a 3 day patron pass, a title of "... the Weekend Warrior", a portal battery, 2x 80% xp vial and 2x 80% token tablets |
| 11:31.30 | Ivnedar | for 1935 credits |
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| 11:50.21 | Adelea | hmm, is there an upper limit on saved var size? just noticed one of mine (a data gatherer) is at 38 MB |
| 11:50.23 | Wildtide | good afternoon folks |
| 11:50.31 | Adelea | hi wild! |
| 11:50.33 | Ivnedar | shakes fist at Wildtide |
| 11:50.34 | Ivnedar | hi :) |
| 11:50.51 | Wildtide | cowers before Ivnedar |
| 11:51.03 | Wildtide | what've i done now? |
| 11:51.29 | Ivnedar | I made a gadget to track the distance of every raid member from my focus target between pulls because I could |
| 11:51.40 | Ivnedar | Your fault that I could :P |
| 11:51.53 | Wildtide | lol |
| 11:52.10 | Ivnedar | a little cpu heavy that one :P |
| 11:52.10 | Adelea | hehe, i have one that is a 20x20 grid showing all distances between everyone.. from back in the day we had things where we had to spread |
| 11:52.50 | Wildtide | ah, good old Murdantix without cheating, and boss #1 in GP |
| 11:53.20 | Ivnedar | mine was only for 10 raid members, people failing on kaliban :P |
| 11:53.59 | Wildtide | ZorbaBeta, i have a question relating to EventDetach... is there a way to list *all* of the event handlers linked to a frame? |
| 11:54.45 | Wildtide | i'm going to try to get rid of the requirement to reloadui every time someone changes a gadget that doesn't support on-the-fly modification, which means i need to strip everything from a deleted frame |
| 11:55.22 | Wildtide | as far as i can see, EventList() needs to be given the event handle, which would mean a massive list of events to scan :( |
| 11:55.22 | Adelea | frames are still under the frame event system, not the global one - so i think you could be out of luck |
| 11:56.41 | Wildtide | it's possible i think, but i want to be able to do :EventList(*), rather than chaecking every possible event type in turn |
| 11:57.46 | Wildtide | wrt SavedVariables, i don't think there is an upper limit. Zorba did some work on that due to BananAH blowing a size limit, iirc |
| 11:59.02 | Wildtide | Adelea: what do you mean by "still under the frame...", is there a plan to change the way frame events work? |
| 11:59.44 | Adelea | no idea! but i was under the impression that all the new event utilities we have wont work on frame events, since they arent global events |
| 12:00.38 | Wildtide | ah, there's EventAttach, EventDetach, and EventList, which are the frames side of the new functionality |
| 12:01.49 | Wildtide | but this http://portal.wildtide.net/RiftAPI/Details/Frame_EventList doesn't seem to have a wildcard for event handle, which would be useful |
| 12:03.43 | Wildtide | ah, and the results don't include the event handle... guess that answers the question. scanning it is |
| 12:21.29 | Adelea | wildtide - you could aways hook the EventAttach / EventDetach functions when you create a frame in gadgets with your own versions that store what they create. that way you would have the list to hand. |
| 12:23.38 | Wildtide | hmmm, i hadn't thought of that. seems a bit naughty, but it might just work :) |
| 12:24.34 | Adelea | im thinking of hooking the SetText SetVisible and SetTexture functions for secure frames, and preventing them doing anything when secure - just to save on the errors =P |
| 12:25.06 | Wildtide | what i was planning, is scanning through the entire hierarchy of Event.UI and building a flat list of every possible type of event in it, and then using this list when recycling a frame to scan :EventList() for each one. not sure what the CPU hit will be |
| 12:26.45 | Adelea | you could aways just not recycle! set them to not be visible, and just create a new one. |
| 12:26.54 | Adelea | i mean, how often do ppl do things that need to do that anyway |
| 12:28.18 | Wildtide | it's all to do with Gadgets modifications. i want to lose the "Reload UI" button every time you change a gadget that doesn't support modification... so if you for example changed your raid frame template, it would be nice to completely tear down the previous huge set of frames, and create a new one, without having to make the user reload |
| 12:28.25 | Adelea | seems a lot of work to save what would be a few kb of memory |
| 12:28.30 | Adelea | why would you need to do that? |
| 12:28.43 | Adelea | why cant you just set it to hidden, and recreate from scratch. |
| 12:28.50 | Wildtide | that's what i do now |
| 12:29.03 | Adelea | yes. keep doing it, but remove the reloadui popup! |
| 12:29.05 | Wildtide | but to save CPU, i then pop up that window that says "Reload" |
| 12:29.09 | Wildtide | hehe, i could do that |
| 12:29.18 | Wildtide | in fact, i did when reloadui was bugged briefly |
| 12:29.21 | Adelea | hidden frmaes dont take much cpu though do they? |
| 12:29.46 | Adelea | i know i see a massive diff in used cpu when jabob is on screen (with its 600 odd frames) and nothing when its closed and invisible |
| 12:30.48 | Wildtide | yeah, maybe i should re-think what i'm doing. i could tear down all of the gadgets bindings, but leave the frames as they are but hidden |
| 12:31.27 | Adelea | that would almost certainly be easier. its a bit wasteful on memory, but i cant see the frames taking up that much |
| 12:31.30 | Wildtide | there is a bug in that atm, where a deleted gadget re-appears if you unlock... something to do with the changes i made for combat opacity |
| 12:31.51 | Adelea | that bug sounds like you just dont clear out a reference to it somewhere |
| 12:32.00 | Wildtide | yep, that's exactly what it is |
| 12:32.20 | Wildtide | anyway, that's tonight's job. i want to lose that popup one way or another :) |
| 12:33.21 | Adelea | well, you know my suggestion =) for something that wont happen that often, then i dont see the point in an elegant solution. save those for things that happen often! |
| 12:33.39 | Wildtide | aye, you're right |
| 12:34.04 | Wildtide | my concern is someone repeatedly tweaking their raid frames... the number of invisible raid-frames could become huge |
| 12:34.18 | Wildtide | but i can cheerfully ignore that |
| 12:35.29 | Wildtide | another thing i really want to add is the concept of a single instance gadget |
| 12:36.00 | Wildtide | for things where i want to use the locking/alignment/config, but don't want to ever have more than one of them on the screen |
| 12:36.42 | Adelea | i must admit, if its something i want more than one of, or can see a use for, then i write a gadget, if its something that is single use, i tend to do it standalone |
| 12:36.58 | Wildtide | yep, that's the sensible way to do it |
| 12:37.21 | Wildtide | for instance, why on earth is Outfitter a gadget? never quite understood why Wylt wrote it as one |
| 12:37.37 | Adelea | well, i have 2 outfitter instances ! |
| 12:37.43 | Wildtide | oh, there we go then :D |
| 12:38.09 | Adelea | one is my normal stuff, with role changes etc. and the other is specail cases - resists / pvp etc that go over the top. |
| 12:47.07 | Wildtide | ah, i guess that makes sense |
| 12:47.07 | Adelea | i guess i could use 1 instance, and just double the number of sets saved.. but that could be a big list! |
| 12:52.29 | Adelea | thats an interesting bug in gadgets... |
| 12:52.29 | Adelea | if you delete a gadget, then recreate one of the same type without reloading, the one you create is inactive |
| 12:52.45 | Adelea | i think if i reloadui, all 4 will be active! |
| 12:52.48 | Wildtide | is it? |
| 12:52.48 | Wildtide | i think i broke a few things when i added that opacity stuff :( |
| 12:52.48 | Wildtide | maybe i'll be starting there tonight then... get the bugs fixed first, then worry about adding new stuff |
| 12:53.47 | Adelea | and yes all 4 are active after a reloadui |
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| 14:34.27 | Alystin | Hi folks |
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| 14:43.21 | Wildtide | ello Alystin |
| 14:43.42 | Wildtide | and yes, i still haven't done health capping. i suck |
| 14:44.01 | Wildtide | it's actually really easy to do as well, so i have no excuse |
| 14:46.33 | Alystin | harhar |
| 14:46.42 | Alystin | yeah right, i noticed :P |
| 14:46.51 | Alystin | didn't want to bother you though |
| 14:47.35 | Alystin | is there a list of textures in the game anywhere? I can't find the icons from the menu with Imhotar's texture viewer |
| 14:48.03 | Wildtide | no there isn't. not every texture goes through the path needed for TV to pick it up unfortunately |
| 14:48.13 | Alystin | hmm |
| 14:48.17 | Wildtide | there's a few I can't find. can't remember what now though |
| 14:48.55 | Alystin | i'll have to find some useful and recognizable icons elsewhere, then^^ |
| 14:49.54 | Wildtide | :) |
| 14:49.55 | Alystin | first i have to figure out how to get some icons added/removed from a bar tho^^ |
| 14:51.57 | Adelea | removal is easy - dont put them there in the 1st place! |
| 14:52.10 | Alystin | ha-ha |
| 14:52.40 | Alystin | "Hey, i've got no new addon! guess what, it's biggest feature: it does nothing!" ^^ |
| 14:53.40 | Wildtide | hey Adelea, is "Rifter" a homage to one of my favourite EVE ships? fond memories of it being the fastest thing in space apart from shuttles |
| 14:54.00 | Alystin | xD |
| 14:54.02 | Adelea | no.. its because it does Rift stuff ! |
| 14:54.13 | Adelea | Rifter was an ugly ship though |
| 14:54.15 | Wildtide | awww, that's no fun |
| 14:54.17 | Alystin | Isn't that one of those rustbuckets? |
| 14:54.24 | Wildtide | shut up! RIfter's are awesome! |
| 14:54.49 | Adelea | <- Caldari player |
| 14:54.50 | Wildtide | it's Minmatar, yup |
| 14:55.00 | Alystin | i recently learned that they're not even held together by duct tape... it's all local gravity^^ |
| 14:55.02 | Wildtide | not talking to you any more, then |
| 14:55.12 | Alystin | i'm even worse: Amarr^^ |
| 14:55.41 | Wildtide | ewwww |
| 14:55.44 | Alystin | :P |
| 14:57.16 | Adelea | my 3 chars used to run around in null/lowsec in a pair of Tengus and a Crane |
| 14:57.59 | Adelea | back in the day when you could get the signal strength of T3 ships low enough to be un-probeable |
| 14:58.24 | Adelea | used to be amusing sitting in space running an escalation site, and seeing 25+ combat probes within 0.1AU of me =) |
| 14:58.58 | Wildtide | hehe. T3 didn't exist when i played |
| 15:00.02 | Wildtide | just checked... my birthdate was 2003/06/20 |
| 15:01.28 | Wildtide | but in a curious coincidence, the ticker for my corp is [RIFT] |
| 15:04.34 | Alystin | i don't get this... in UI.Native, every element's "loaded" is nil, even when it should be true |
| 15:05.44 | Adelea | when I looked at UI.Native it all got confusing.. its a special case, and none of the usual rules seemed to apply |
| 15:06.11 | Alystin | print(UI.Native.Character.Loaded) returns nil, but /script print(UI.Native.Character:GetLoaded()) is true |
| 15:06.21 | Alystin | meh not good |
| 15:07.15 | Wildtide | nothing in the RIFT API using properties in that way, it's all functions |
| 15:07.24 | Wildtide | *uses |
| 15:07.43 | Alystin | but UI.native is a table |
| 15:08.08 | Wildtide | yep. it's not really a table, it all links back into C++ code behind the scenes |
| 15:08.13 | Alystin | grr |
| 15:08.20 | Wildtide | well, it is a table, but... it gets confusing :) |
| 15:08.27 | Alystin | i see^^ |
| 15:08.33 | Alystin | "it's complicated" |
| 15:09.10 | Adelea | whenever ive had an idea about something using the native ui, i slap myself, and think of something else. |
| 15:09.23 | Alystin | too easy |
| 15:10.50 | Wildtide | try: print(type(UI.Native.Character)) |
| 15:11.01 | Wildtide | it will probably return "userdata" |
| 15:11.09 | Ivnedar | table |
| 15:11.26 | Wildtide | oh? ok, not done quite how i expected then |
| 15:12.10 | Wildtide | ah, ofc, we can stick extra data into a frame can't we, so they must be real tables |
| 15:12.51 | Wildtide | but their state is held in C++, and the only way to get at it is through Zorba's functions. he doesn't populate fields in the tables with anything |
| 15:13.25 | Alystin | nvm, got a workaround... |
| 15:13.44 | Wildtide | was it "do something else" ? Adelea has some good ideas ;) |
| 15:14.01 | Adelea | lol |
| 15:17.17 | Adelea | lua is weird.. I like that you can do: /script a={[print]="Hello"} for k,v in pairs(a) do k(v) end.... functions as tables keys.. bonkers. |
| 15:17.57 | Wildtide | :) |
| 15:18.05 | Wildtide | lua> a={[print]="Hello"} for k,v in pairs(a) do k(v) end |
| 15:18.14 | Wildtide | oh, he's sneaked off |
| 15:18.37 | Alystin | nah not doing something else |
| 15:19.15 | Adelea | i dont have an lua interpreter installed on my pc |
| 15:19.43 | Wildtide | there's normally luabot in here, that you can play with |
| 15:19.55 | Alystin | so... if i wanted to put an icon into a list when an action fires, and remove it again when the action fires again... |
| 15:20.19 | Alystin | i'd put it into a table and remove it from there with the key of it... |
| 15:21.13 | Adelea | sounds reasonable. |
| 15:21.38 | Alystin | can i do table.insert with a fixed mey name, or will it always be numbers? |
| 15:21.50 | Wildtide | no need to use table.insert for that |
| 15:21.53 | Adelea | well, what is the key? |
| 15:22.01 | Adelea | table[blahblah] = value -- works well |
| 15:22.14 | Wildtide | ~whaleslap Alystin |
| 15:22.14 | purl | ACTION beats Alystin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:22.23 | Alystin | Ouch |
| 15:22.32 | Ivnedar | I thought Hugh was a manatee? |
| 15:22.38 | Alystin | what was that for? ^^ |
| 15:22.55 | Wildtide | for being Amarr. it's unforgivable |
| 15:23.03 | Alystin | oh okay :) |
| 15:23.19 | Alystin | but... shouldn't you have hit me with something rusty then? ^^ |
| 15:23.49 | Alystin | Adeala: More like table = { "key" = blub } |
| 15:24.24 | Adelea | well, if youre only storing one value, why use a table ? |
| 15:24.56 | Alystin | because "blub" won't be "blub" but another table ofc^^ |
| 15:25.21 | Adelea | yes, but doing what youre doing, table will only ever have 1 item. |
| 15:25.34 | Alystin | er... no |
| 15:25.45 | Alystin | why? |
| 15:26.04 | Adelea | table = { "key1" = val1 } table = { "key" = val2 } -- redefineds table, and loses key1 |
| 15:26.05 | Wildtide | table["key"] = blub; table["key"] = nil; |
| 15:26.25 | Alystin | ugh... one second |
| 15:26.36 | Wildtide | is the equivalent of table.insert / table.remove for non-arrays |
| 15:26.51 | Adelea | table = {} table[key1] = val1 table[key2] = val2 table[key1] = nil |
| 15:27.27 | Adelea | they are arrays! |
| 15:27.51 | Alystin | http://pastebin.com/cx76bfvc |
| 15:28.06 | Alystin | that's a rough draft of how it's supposed to look later |
| 15:28.26 | Wildtide | owkay... |
| 15:28.32 | Adelea | ok, so you create a table with some entries which are tables |
| 15:28.37 | Alystin | Yeah |
| 15:28.55 | Alystin | and now i want to add/remove entries |
| 15:29.02 | Adelea | add/remove where? |
| 15:29.20 | Alystin | well, ie the "character" -table |
| 15:29.24 | Wildtide | icons.character = nil |
| 15:29.38 | Wildtide | or icons["character"] = nil (same thing) |
| 15:30.14 | Alystin | hmm... *thinks* |
| 15:30.25 | Adelea | what data are you going to store? |
| 15:30.49 | Alystin | well, i was thinking about an action and a layer |
| 15:31.08 | Alystin | er wait... |
| 15:31.15 | Wildtide | is this a toolbar? and you want to add/remove buttons from it? |
| 15:31.23 | Alystin | kind of |
| 15:31.33 | Wildtide | oki |
| 15:32.01 | Alystin | see, since trion seems to stick to the giant vendor window, my screen is getting cluttered with windows |
| 15:32.18 | Ivnedar | those should be either character or ["character"] I thought? |
| 15:32.30 | Alystin | i thought, something like the windows taskmanager (alt+tab) would be nice |
| 15:32.31 | Ivnedar | not "character" |
| 15:32.48 | Alystin | yeah, "rough draft" ^^ |
| 15:32.53 | Ivnedar | ok, sorry :D |
| 15:33.16 | Alystin | my fault... i already have a table, which i made yesterday |
| 15:33.33 | Alystin | with all the windows neatly sorted^^ So i guess i can just use that |
| 15:33.49 | Adelea | ok. so. You create your table of icons to show on the TM screen? TMICONS = {} |
| 15:34.01 | Alystin | tm? |
| 15:34.06 | Wildtide | task manager |
| 15:34.10 | Alystin | ah okay |
| 15:34.42 | Adelea | then, you detect when something happens, like bags opening, and do a TMICONS[identifier] = { texture=..., action="open" } ? |
| 15:35.00 | Adelea | then when something else happens, like the bags closing, you want to remove TMICONS[identifier] ? |
| 15:35.05 | Alystin | exactly |
| 15:35.19 | Adelea | tbh, id just leave them in TMICONS |
| 15:35.25 | Alystin | i got the "something happens" thing already... |
| 15:35.29 | Wildtide | silly question, but what are you wanting to do when an icon is clicked? |
| 15:35.29 | Adelea | but also store the frame you use to display the icon |
| 15:35.42 | Adelea | and then frame:SetVisible(true) / frame:SetVisible(false) to show/hide it |
| 15:35.43 | Alystin | bring the window to the front |
| 15:35.54 | Wildtide | we can't affect native windows at all can we, so you couldn't show/hide them |
| 15:36.03 | Ivnedar | you can set their strata though |
| 15:36.06 | Wildtide | that was supposed to be "can we?" |
| 15:36.07 | Alystin | no but i *can* change the layer |
| 15:36.16 | Wildtide | ah, ok. cool |
| 15:36.22 | Alystin | tried that yesterday, works like a charm^^ |
| 15:36.27 | Adelea | oh boy.. be prepared for ppl shouting at you =P |
| 15:36.35 | Alystin | why? |
| 15:36.35 | Wildtide | awesome, never knew we could do that |
| 15:36.37 | Ivnedar | lol |
| 15:36.53 | Adelea | you start messing with layers/strata, things are going to get very odd looking very quickly! |
| 15:36.58 | Alystin | ppl are shouting at me all the time anyway |
| 15:37.04 | Wildtide | rofl |
| 15:37.06 | Alystin | nah, not if you do it the right way |
| 15:37.17 | Adelea | you dont know what other ppl are doing in their addons |
| 15:37.21 | Ivnedar | remember what layer/strata they were at before you touched them, set them back to that later |
| 15:37.27 | Alystin | like, crafting over char screen -> switch layers |
| 15:37.37 | Adelea | yes - but you bring something to the top - you dont know that someone else doesnt have something even higher |
| 15:38.15 | Alystin | I'm only doing that with the native frames, so i can see what's on the top |
| 15:38.56 | Alystin | so if you have charscreen = 6 and crafting = 9, i'll set crafting to 6 and charscreen to 9... |
| 15:39.24 | Alystin | so you don't end up with ridiculous layer numbers like 1000000 |
| 15:39.43 | Alystin | at least that were my thoughts |
| 15:39.51 | Adelea | its an interesting idea - be cool to see how it pans out |
| 15:40.12 | Ivnedar | do the native frames pick the next highest layer when they open? |
| 15:40.13 | Wildtide | yeah, sounds really good |
| 15:40.16 | Ivnedar | so they're different every time? |
| 15:41.11 | Ivnedar | or are they set to the same layer and youth takes precedence? |
| 15:41.48 | Ivnedar | Figured someone had worked all that out already so I didn't need to look :) |
| 15:42.23 | Alystin | no idea tbh |
| 15:42.30 | Adelea | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.36 | Adelea | looks like it increments |
| 15:43.08 | Adelea | closing and reopening bag1, still gives 54. so it may save it too |
| 15:43.31 | Alystin | but if you set them overlapping and click the underlaying, it changes |
| 15:43.33 | Wildtide | what about when you click to bring one over another, do the layers reflect that? |
| 15:43.40 | Wildtide | hehe, yes then |
| 15:43.43 | Ivnedar | nope |
| 15:43.48 | Ivnedar | layers don't change |
| 15:43.48 | Ivnedar | hrrm |
| 15:44.47 | Alystin | strange |
| 15:45.37 | Ivnedar | if any bag is open, all of the bags have a layer |
| 15:45.44 | Ivnedar | if all bags are closed, they're all layer -1 |
| 15:45.48 | Adelea | i wonder if the layer number is essentially just an id for the window. ie bag1 is always 54 |
| 15:46.03 | Ivnedar | when any bag is open, they're all given layers starting from the next available |
| 15:46.16 | Ivnedar | I'm guessing there are other frames activated but hidden between bag 5 and 6 |
| 15:46.24 | Ivnedar | there's an 8 layer jump between them |
| 15:46.33 | Ivnedar | mine was 15 |
| 15:46.47 | Ivnedar | til I closed all bags, opened character screen, then opened bag, bag1 was 16 then |
| 15:47.00 | Alystin | fun thing is, if i have b1 =3 and b2 =4 and i change b1 to 4, b2 is 5 no matter what |
| 15:47.04 | Ivnedar | close bags, close character, now it's 15 |
| 15:47.23 | Ivnedar | curious what the 8 layer gap is |
| 15:47.24 | Alystin | bags seem to be handled differently then |
| 15:47.27 | Ivnedar | bank maybe? |
| 15:47.37 | Adelea | bank is slots |
| 15:47.40 | Adelea | 8 slots even |
| 15:48.33 | Alystin | apparently, you can't switch the bag layers |
| 15:48.49 | Ivnedar | yup, that's it |
| 15:49.15 | Ivnedar | when any bag is open, it sets the layer of bag1-bag5,bagbank1-bagbank8,bag6-bag7 |
| 15:49.46 | Alystin | because i can hide the character wndow behind the bags, but i can't bring the bags in front of one another |
| 15:51.01 | Alystin | so bags seem to be one layer with sublayers or something like that^^ |
| 15:51.01 | Ivnedar | if you change the layer of bag1, does bag2+ change? |
| 15:51.06 | Alystin | yep |
| 15:51.08 | Alystin | +1 |
| 15:51.08 | Ivnedar | ah, you said it did |
| 15:51.46 | Wildtide | cya later folks |
| 15:52.27 | Ivnedar | bags also don't act independantly, if you move character window over all the bags, then select one bag, all the bags jump in front |
| 15:52.28 | Alystin | hmmm... if i change the bag layer, everthing else gets shifted accordingly |
| 15:52.31 | Ivnedar | layers don't change |
| 15:52.33 | Alystin | yep |
| 15:52.50 | Ivnedar | I wish you luck :D I must sleep now! |
| 15:53.24 | Alystin | good night and thank you^^ |
| 15:53.53 | Alystin | so in the end, you might end up with ridiculous numbers after all... |
| 15:54.09 | Alystin | ...or not. |
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| 18:04.38 | m^rk | is there some kind of built in reusable progress bar frame? |
| 18:05.02 | m^rk | is there any kind built in frames? if so where is the docs for that? |
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| 18:11.45 | Imhothar | hmm why does the Curse client believe I have modified versions od Gadgets and BananAH when I never touched them? |
| 18:13.11 | Alystin | bleh because the curse client is stupid |
| 18:20.14 | Imhothar | quiet, they're listening! |
| 18:20.27 | Imhothar | but probably not at this time of day |
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| 19:08.52 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta: Is there a way to move the tooltip? |
| 19:08.53 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta: now just sort that tooltip out |
| 19:08.53 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta: I can't move the tooltips, they are partly hidden in the upper left corner. |
| 19:08.53 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta: Is it possible to get the tooltip position to respect the UI settings? |
| 19:08.53 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta: an option to set an "anchor" to the tooltips |
| 19:17.26 | Adelea | there is the standard UI tooltip anchor. If zorba is going to fix tooltip location, he may as well fix it to use the system anchor, rather than some arbitray other point! |
| 19:19.11 | Imhothar | I'm just relaying what other's are asking for. I'm hoping he gets annoyed so much after a while he fixes it voluntarily ;) |
| 19:20.49 | Adelea | its annoying its true - but if Inspect.Item.Detail() gave enough information to fully recreate an item tooltip I could live with it. |
| 19:21.24 | Adelea | but as it stands, we have 2 tools, neither of which works properly =/ |
| 19:23.04 | Noshei | m^rk: yes there are some built in frames, but they still require some configuration. They are: Frame, Text, texture, RiftButton , RiftWindow, RiftCheckbox, RiftScrollbar, RiftSlider, and RiftTextfield |
| 19:24.18 | Noshei | as for a built in progress bar, nope there isn't a frame for that, you would have to create your own. |
| 19:24.45 | Noshei | oh I for masks, but those are a massive pain and very expensive. |
| 19:35.40 | m^rk | thank you Noshei |
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| 19:59.31 | Adelea | ever start on something that seems like a good idea? im not sure how much stuff ive broken right now! =/ |
| 19:59.43 | Noshei | lol |
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| 21:01.51 | Noshei | well this UI is coming along nicely. |
| 21:02.34 | Noshei | got a nice little minimap display/button that is moveable and remembers its position and a window with working tables that is moveable and remembers its position. |
| 21:02.59 | Noshei | and I'm only 320 lines in so far, lol |
| 21:03.29 | seebs | What's it a UI for? |
| 21:04.07 | Noshei | I'm making a DKP addon for my guild, though I'm planning on making it fairly configurable so other guilds can use it as well. |
| 21:06.20 | Noshei | going with a nice bladk and orange style as well, looks pretty nice so far. |
| 21:07.06 | Noshei | though I might addin options to change the color scheme as well |
| 21:08.19 | Noshei | we use a closed bid system so I'm going to setup a bid system within the addon as well, so we dont have to wisper someone our bid we just put it in the addon. |
| 21:10.36 | Noshei | plus I'm going to use guild storage to store the current dkp values for all guild members, and a couple of other settings. |
| 21:11.14 | Noshei | So I get to figure out 2 systems I havent used before (messaging and storage) plus do everything with the new event system. |
| 21:12.23 | Noshei | who's the curse guy, is that Torhal? |
| 21:16.04 | Imhothar | only when you're nice |
| 21:17.11 | seebs | Still sorta stalled out on trying to redo the protocol for LibRarian. Meh. |
| 21:21.00 | Noshei | http://i.imgur.com/7YoLRzc.png - thats all I have so far, but I'm horrible slow with the UI. Mainly because I have to have it perfect or it drives me crazy. Plus I'm also trying to do a very organized table structure for everything, so I keep going back and change the structure for stuff. |
| 21:22.46 | Noshei | tabs take so many frames it is crazy! |
| 21:32.10 | Noshei | gah why do Event.UI.Input.Key.* have to require key focus, lame. |
| 21:35.30 | Adelea | yeah, be nice if any/all frames got them. could do our own keybindings then |
| 21:39.38 | Noshei | yeah, I wanted it more for simple things like using esc to close a window. |
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| 23:34.07 | Alystin | nighty-night, folks :) |
| 23:34.31 | m^rk | is there any special parent for config screens or does each addown need to do a custom one? |
| 23:45.30 | Adelea | m^rk - each addon needs to do its own |
| 23:46.04 | Adelea | noone has yet (as far as I know) written a configuration library |
| 23:47.15 | Adelea | if your addon fits in the gadgets framework, then there is a standardised interface there |
