| 00:00.16 | Imhothar | indeed |
| 00:03.42 | Noshei | I think you can do a table though, and so long as that has a single valid version in it your good, but I'm not 100% sure on that |
| 00:04.43 | seebs | I believe so. |
| 00:31.51 | seebs | Oh, neat. Instead of adding "arenas", the devs are apparently working on the tools that would be needed to let players make their own in Dimensions. |
| 00:49.30 | Noshei | took them long enough |
| 00:49.49 | Noshei | I had that idea almost right away when they announced dimensions |
| 00:58.57 | ZorbaBeta | now taking bets for what percentage of arena dimensions will be recreations of the Thunderdome |
| 00:59.28 | Ivnedar | 99% |
| 01:01.10 | Ivnedar | there could be some creative ones with crucia's platform, or aerial ones |
| 01:01.24 | Ivnedar | ooh, environmental damage dimension items |
| 01:02.25 | Noshei | I think going this route for "areans" is by far the best solution. It takes the responsibility of running an arean season out of trions hands and puts it on the community. It also removes the need for super tight balancing because trion can just say "Hey we didn't make competive areans, you guys did." Plus it also allows people that love dimensions to get involved and design some crazy areans |
| 01:02.52 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 01:03.07 | Ivnedar | the more the players can do content wise, the more alive it can be I think |
| 01:03.15 | Ivnedar | hopefully less overhead on trion |
| 01:03.37 | ZorbaBeta | yeah arena balancing is nightmarish. solo, raid, and pvp balancing is bad enough - the more stuff you add in, the worse it gets |
| 01:03.38 | Ivnedar | they create assets and fun interaction items, toss them to the players, see what they do with them |
| 01:04.37 | Ivnedar | I do wonder if we'll see pve dimension content at some point |
| 01:04.57 | Ivnedar | adds in laethys, sets up some mechanics/ai/scripting for it, invites people in to play |
| 01:07.32 | Ivnedar | oooh, or a laethys + maelforge encounter |
| 01:07.34 | Ivnedar | at the same time |
| 01:08.01 | Ivnedar | maelforge eggs in the middle, destroy them while the parents are active to enrage them for hardmode etc |
| 01:23.55 | seebs | The big problem WoW had was that since arenas were *rated*, balancing of everything else was subordinated to arena balance. |
| 01:24.28 | Ivnedar | I did kinda like the idea of the arena servers |
| 01:24.32 | seebs | So an ability which isn't useful in a short-term fight isn't relevant to balance, so things have to be balanced without them. |
| 01:24.35 | Ivnedar | that wow did at one point |
| 01:25.03 | seebs | Which means that anything that's useful on other scales is bonus power that can't be balanced against short-term utility. |
| 01:25.06 | Ivnedar | once you signed up, you create a max level character, grab your bis gear and runes etc and in you go |
| 01:40.44 | Ivnedar | oh dear, I've just been shown the language Hy |
| 01:40.51 | Ivnedar | It's lisp in python ... |
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| 05:16.52 | seebs | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.01 | seebs | So, for instance, if you "remove" a chat window, I can't detect that it's gone. |
| 05:17.37 | Ivnedar | :GetVisible() doesn't work? |
| 05:18.44 | Ivnedar | or hooking into Event.UI.Native.Loaded for that frame? |
| 05:19.58 | seebs | Doesn't seem to. I mean, I get a .Loaded event, I think, but I can't find something I can query about the frame that tells me whether it's now turned invisible. |
| 05:23.04 | Ivnedar | GetLoaded() |
| 05:25.30 | seebs | Hmm. Will try that. |
| 05:26.23 | seebs | Yup, that does it. |
| 05:26.42 | seebs | Why on earth didn't you tell me that BEFORE I got bored and uploaded the previous version? It's like you WANT me to suffer. |
| 05:27.08 | Noshei | lol |
| 05:27.09 | Ivnedar | 'cause then I'd get bored! |
| 05:28.11 | Ivnedar | And Noshei took too long making the popcorn |
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| 05:53.19 | Noshei | gah, seebs_ no screenshots on riftui |
| 05:55.16 | seebs_ | Oh, heh. I forgot. Hmm. |
| 05:55.48 | Ivnedar | there is one, but it's transparent! |
| 05:55.49 | Ivnedar | hides |
| 05:55.58 | Noshei | lol |
| 06:04.24 | Noshei | MountMe, wow some people. |
| 06:19.17 | seebs_ | Hmm. |
| 06:19.38 | seebs | Is there a way to generate a link to an item, or get a preview of it, from the addon ID? |
| 06:22.19 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.26 | Ivnedar | run it twice if it's not cached locally |
| 06:22.40 | Ivnedar | can't generate a link to it sadly |
| 06:23.02 | Ivnedar | unless it's a link in your own text frame I guess |
| 06:23.28 | Ivnedar | Have the text frame pop up the tooltip when it mouse enters |
| 06:24.28 | seebs | I specifically want a link so I can ctrl-click it to preview. |
| 06:24.34 | Ivnedar | nope |
| 06:24.36 | seebs | I have an item and I want to see how it appears on another character. |
| 06:24.51 | Ivnedar | we've asked, no ability to yet |
| 06:25.04 | seebs | Even outside the API, but I just can't find any way to do it. |
| 06:25.05 | Ivnedar | I even tried crafting one in the mobile client api |
| 06:25.21 | seebs | So I can't, say, send the link on one character, then have someone in guild send it back when I'm on another. |
| 06:25.28 | Ivnedar | nope |
| 06:25.39 | Ivnedar | they need to see the item to link it |
| 06:26.11 | Ivnedar | unless ZorbaBeta knows of a super secret way we can do it |
| 06:26.49 | Ivnedar | the mobile client doesn't parse item links in the same format that it presents them |
| 06:26.52 | Ivnedar | otherwise you could use that |
| 06:27.10 | Ivnedar | I guess because there's no normal way to link them in the mobile client |
| 06:27.14 | seebs | My idea had been, send the link in chat from the character who HAS the item, then have someone else re-send using that link. But that doesn't work. |
| 06:27.36 | Ivnedar | what may be possible is to have someone keep an inspect window open on you |
| 06:27.41 | Ivnedar | if you're wearing it |
| 06:27.47 | Ivnedar | oooh, I know! |
| 06:28.01 | Ivnedar | can it be put into a trade window, or somewhere that someone else can see it? |
| 06:28.21 | Ivnedar | if so, they can start typing a message to your alt, generate the chat link at that point, then you log out and into the alt, and they send the message |
| 06:28.32 | seebs | Soulbound, I think. Hmm. |
| 06:28.37 | seebs | Ooh, that could work. |
| 06:29.14 | Ivnedar | ZorbaBeta: +1 vote on being able to generate chat links ;) |
| 06:38.36 | seebs | d'oh. Barber is way more convenient -- except screenshot is apparently disabled at barber? |
| 06:41.46 | Ivnedar | how odd |
| 06:42.35 | seebs | Argh. |
| 06:42.45 | seebs | I just want a screenshot of what these pants look like on two different characters. |
| 06:42.47 | Baanano | is there any post with info about that new kind of dimension items anywhere? |
| 06:43.06 | Ivnedar | the chat link idea didn't work? |
| 06:43.25 | Ivnedar | http://forums.riftgame.com/game-discussions/pvp-warfronts/369486-why-no-arenas-7.html#post4343219 |
| 06:43.28 | Ivnedar | that's all we have so far |
| 06:43.57 | Ivnedar | and the Archonix item screenshot later on |
| 06:44.12 | seebs | The chat link is a lot harder than going to the barber. |
| 06:44.38 | Ivnedar | is the item a drop or something in the cash shop? |
| 06:44.54 | Ivnedar | I assume it's a drop or it would be easy |
| 06:48.31 | seebs | Quest reward from late-30s defiant quest. |
| 06:48.33 | seebs | Got it using snipping tool. |
| 06:49.03 | Ivnedar | I wonder if dimensions will get storage as part of the dimension arena stuff |
| 06:49.10 | Ivnedar | to store/update scores |
| 06:49.20 | Ivnedar | though you'd probably want it automated some way |
| 06:56.04 | Baanano | i want to build a mario kart dimension :P |
| 06:57.06 | Ivnedar | hrrm, could be an interesting arena idea |
| 06:57.12 | Ivnedar | a race with everyone flagged |
| 06:57.31 | Ivnedar | have a series of respawn points that activate in a particular order |
| 06:57.46 | Ivnedar | whoever activates the last one first, wins |
| 06:58.25 | Ivnedar | building a racing spec may be more possible for some callings though |
| 06:58.51 | Baanano | oh, so it's unbalanced |
| 06:59.37 | Ivnedar | incoming nerfs for mario kart unbalanced souls! |
| 07:10.11 | NuSuey | ah hell, too bad Rift has horrible framerate in Linux (via wine).. would love to NOT use windows to play this awesome mmo :X |
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| 10:11.00 | Ivnedar | hrrm, so they made insecticide and hold the line legacy, but only the 1000 objective ones |
| 10:11.03 | Ivnedar | rest were removed |
| 10:11.57 | Ivnedar | removed because the forts and invasions were going away during the patch |
| 10:12.00 | Ivnedar | only they're still there |
| 10:12.57 | Ivnedar | I wonder if they're still tracking invisibly |
| 10:15.18 | Ivnedar | doesn't show up in the api by id |
| 10:50.19 | Thorarin | 0.o |
| 10:50.45 | Thorarin | Don't they disappear as part of a world event phase change like thing? |
| 10:50.58 | Thorarin | They are usually on thursday during the day |
| 10:51.00 | Ivnedar | no idea |
| 10:51.20 | Ivnedar | but given the world event didn't really start or end, maybe it's confused |
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| 11:41.01 | Wildtide | afternoon folks |
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| 11:41.29 | ZorbaBeta | ahoy |
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| 11:43.51 | Galuhad | Good afternoon/morning |
| 11:44.13 | Wildtide | afternoon Galuhad :) |
| 11:45.05 | Ivnedar | hi hi :) |
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| 11:49.19 | Wildtide | grabs hold of Galuhad to stop him falling out of the channel again |
| 11:50.39 | Galuhad | Lol. Sorry for the spam. I'm installing an IRC app on my phone and it's a bit annoying to set up |
| 11:57.22 | Kheldar | Hey |
| 11:57.46 | Kheldar | ty Wildtide for the topic about the new event model |
| 11:58.36 | ZorbaBeta | galuhad, no worries, channel's pretty quiet right now anyway :) |
| 11:58.58 | Wildtide | sshhhh, some of us are trying to sleep here |
| 11:59.05 | Galuhad | Lol |
| 12:00.38 | Wildtide | Kheldar, no probs. i think a few people found it useful, so i'm glad i put that up |
| 12:00.50 | Wildtide | sadly, i still haven't finished sorting my own addon out |
| 12:00.58 | Galuhad | Anyways time to carry on attempting to code my first Rift addon.... after client finishes patching :) |
| 12:02.25 | Kheldar | i'm wondering, why myButton.Event:LeftPress() is handling the event while myFrame.Event:LeftDown() is not |
| 12:03.35 | Wildtide | that is odd, esp as there's no LeftPress() event |
| 12:05.28 | Kheldar | there is a leftPress event, but only for RiftButton |
| 12:05.46 | Wildtide | oh, sorry, didn't spot the fact you were using a button |
| 12:05.48 | Kheldar | i guess leftDwon is not handled since it's inherit from UI.Layout |
| 12:06.36 | Wildtide | possibly, though it's in the docs: http://portal.wildtide.net/RiftAPI/Details/RiftButton_Event_LeftDown |
| 12:07.39 | Kheldar | Anyway, those ways to handle events are not the way you do in your topic, is that the old one ? i'm quite lost right now |
| 12:08.16 | Wildtide | yes. using <frame>.Event.* is the old, deprecated method |
| 12:08.33 | Wildtide | you should use .EventAttach for everything now |
| 12:09.58 | Wildtide | if you've only got your own addon loaded, you could use Command.System.Strict() ( http://portal.wildtide.net/RiftAPI/Details/Command_System_Strict ). you'll get errors if you do anything naughty :) |
| 12:11.08 | Kheldar | oh, nice API here |
| 12:11.40 | Kheldar | k so in both case i will change that |
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| 12:12.32 | Kheldar | hum i'm testing almost all the time in the live client |
| 12:12.46 | Wildtide | we all do |
| 12:13.07 | Kheldar | but i can go on the PTS where there is only my addon to try the strict mode |
| 12:13.30 | Wildtide | the only reason i said "only your addon" is so you don't get errors from other peoples |
| 12:13.30 | Kheldar | ty for the tips |
| 12:13.31 | Galuhad | Do Trion get error reports each time there's an error in the addon? |
| 12:13.42 | Wildtide | yep |
| 12:14.07 | Kheldar | yes i understood that and i think go to the PTS is the easier way to do so |
| 12:14.23 | Wildtide | then Zorba has a routine that extracts the most common errors that have been logged, and emails them to us |
| 12:14.58 | Kheldar | This routine looks very usefull |
| 12:14.59 | Galuhad | Is there a way to make it so it can be identified as an addon in development? Otherwise I fear I'll be spamming their inbox with error reports while I try to make sense of what I'm doing |
| 12:15.00 | Wildtide | you'll never get emailed your development errors, as the routine needs an error to be happening on more than one client before it registers |
| 12:15.30 | Wildtide | no-one's inbox is getting spammed, the errors are recorded in a database of some sort (i assume) |
| 12:15.40 | ZorbaBeta | galuhad, error report collation is entirely automatic, we never see the individual errors unless we go looking |
| 12:15.49 | Galuhad | Ok |
| 12:16.18 | Wildtide | if Zorba got an email every time i generate an error in testing, he'd need his own mail server just to hold messages from me :) |
| 12:16.23 | Galuhad | Sorry for all the noob questions.. I should warn you I'll probably have loads more coming throughout the day |
| 12:17.00 | ZorbaBeta | that's what the channel's here for ^^ |
| 12:17.06 | Wildtide | ask away, it's nice to have some new faces in here |
| 12:17.33 | Galuhad | So Zorba, you are the dev heading up this project at Trion? |
| 12:17.34 | Kheldar | Questions time : Is there a way to disable the frame visibility before it is displaying on the screen when we create the frame after load screens ? |
| 12:18.12 | ZorbaBeta | galuhad, yep! it's 100% me at this point, and has been for a while |
| 12:18.21 | Wildtide | well, nicks... we don't really have faces... apart from Zorba's duck --> :V |
| 12:18.47 | ZorbaBeta | oh sweet, fez 2 announcement |
| 12:19.11 | Wildtide | Kheldar: yep, just :SetVisible(false) when you create it. it'll never be shown |
| 12:19.13 | Galuhad | Cool.. Nice to know who to pester :) Do you work solely on the API or do you have other responsibilities as well? |
| 12:19.32 | ZorbaBeta | galuhad, sadly, I have a lot of other responsibilities. I'm also the lead rendering engineer, and right now I'm heading up a big optimization/efficiency push |
| 12:19.39 | Kheldar | cause for now i do frame = UI.CreateFrame("RiftWindow", "frameName", context) config:SetVisible(false) |
| 12:20.07 | Kheldar | but it display it like 0.2 sec before setting the frame hide |
| 12:20.52 | Galuhad | Well having more responsibility isn't always bad :) I guess though that means little time for adding in new APIs? |
| 12:21.10 | Wildtide | do you mean... config = UI.Create... ? |
| 12:21.13 | ZorbaBeta | not as much time as I'd want :( I keep trying to squeeze in what I can, but it can be slim pickings sometimes |
| 12:21.44 | Galuhad | :( |
| 12:21.57 | Kheldar | oh, config is ma frame var |
| 12:22.01 | Kheldar | so y |
| 12:22.18 | Kheldar | in my code it's config = UI.create... |
| 12:22.27 | Galuhad | Do you have any plans for APIs you want to add? or do you bounce off requests on the forums? |
| 12:22.46 | Kheldar | just changed for the example, but not for the second one |
| 12:22.50 | ZorbaBeta | A ton of plans! But I usually don't describe my future plans in much detail unless they're already implemented, simply because I never quite know what'll turn out to be impractical |
| 12:22.56 | ZorbaBeta | there's a feature I wanted to have in 1.5, for example |
| 12:23.00 | ZorbaBeta | still hasn't made it in. turns out it's really tough. |
| 12:23.20 | Galuhad | lol I can understand that.. I know devs can be very secretive, and with good reason. |
| 12:23.45 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's tricky. we want to say "we're planning to work on A B C D E and F! But we can probably only do A B and C for next patch" |
| 12:23.53 | Wildtide | i don't mind what Zorba puts in next, as long as it's a secure frames workaround |
| 12:24.02 | ZorbaBeta | then the next patch shows up with A, B, C, D, *and* E, and the forums inevitably end up full of "why didn't you do F, you promised us F" |
| 12:24.25 | Galuhad | hehe |
| 12:24.32 | ZorbaBeta | if I had a staff under me I could do better predictions, but as it is I can't even reliably predict my *own* time, so :) |
| 12:25.00 | Galuhad | Have you seen any APIs from other games you'd like to add at some point? |
| 12:28.09 | Wildtide | i think Mr. Z. might have dabbled with the WoW API at some point |
| 12:28.10 | ZorbaBeta | Hmm. Can't think of any specific ones offhand, honestly. There's stuff I want to add that isn't in any other games, and there's obviously a lot of API that isn't available yet. But nothing specific from other games. |
| 12:30.19 | Galuhad | My coding experience mostly comes from creating plugins for LotRO, and there's a few APIs they have which are really useful - which would be fantastic to have at some point in Rift. |
| 12:30.29 | Wildtide | we've been over this before - just give us access to the RIFT repo, and we can get on with it. it could only go well! |
| 12:30.54 | ZorbaBeta | galuhad, any suggestions? it's probably going to end up a long ways out but I'm always looking for good ideas |
| 12:31.35 | Ivnedar | Wildtide: I agree! What could go wrong |
| 12:33.35 | Kheldar | Still wondering for my frame display :p |
| 12:33.44 | Wildtide | lol, sorry :) |
| 12:33.51 | Galuhad | Was saying this yesterday (sorry those who were here) but the chat API is super handy. Being able receive the messages coming from all the different channels along with the sender etc.. You can do a lot of cool things with the stuff that comes through chat. At the moment it seems you can receive from NPCs and notifications, but would be great to receive from every channel. In Lotro I never |
| 12:33.51 | Galuhad | noticed any performance issues with it, just functioned like any other event. |
| 12:34.10 | Ivnedar | Oh, I've heard^Wstarted a rumour that only plate gear drops from the new 10 man |
| 12:34.11 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that falls under "missing API" |
| 12:34.11 | Galuhad | Also to be able to create custom slotbars and assign items, skills or other shortcuts |
| 12:34.14 | Ivnedar | anyone confirm/deny? :P |
| 12:34.45 | ZorbaBeta | custom slotbars are unfortunately kind of impractical unless you code them yourself. if you *do* code them yourself, they're almost already available - the only thing missing is keybind support. (which also falls under "missing API") |
| 12:35.05 | Wildtide | Kheldar: the addon system is single threaded, so RIFT won't render it's next frame until your addon has finished whatever it's doing. this means that creating and immediately hiding your frame will ensure it never appears |
| 12:35.10 | Ivnedar | generating chat links is part of missing API too? :D |
| 12:35.23 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, it would presumably be under the chat API, yep |
| 12:35.28 | Wildtide | if it's appearing, that really does suggest something else is going wrong (sorry!) |
| 12:35.41 | Ivnedar | sweet :D |
| 12:35.42 | ZorbaBeta | (fun fact: the addon item format is almost identical to the chat link item format. this is not a coincidence) |
| 12:36.07 | Ivnedar | That's why I occasionally check that there's no some "obvious" way to do it already that we're missing |
| 12:36.34 | Ivnedar | Ooor, I could put in a bug report on the mobile client to say that it's not parsing item links, see if they realise the client can't natively generate them :P |
| 12:36.55 | Kheldar | hum so i've to look somewhere else... |
| 12:37.04 | Kheldar | thanks you |
| 12:37.23 | Wildtide | seebs: backchat added to the list. nearly but not quite knocking Babytown off the top spot. someone needs to release an addon called 'Aardvark' to claim the top spot :) |
| 12:37.47 | Ivnedar | You don't have my AAA-TextFix addon listed? :O |
| 12:37.58 | Wildtide | have you got child frames that are appearing maybe? if the parent/child relationship isn't quite right |
| 12:38.03 | Wildtide | lol, nope :) |
| 12:38.27 | Ivnedar | named to ensure it was loaded before any other addon :P |
| 12:39.35 | Wildtide | does it make a difference? never given the load order much thought |
| 12:39.41 | ZorbaBeta | there have been a few bugs involving frames not vanishing the instant they're told to, but AFAIK those have been fixed for quite a while |
| 12:40.09 | Wildtide | i've never had a problem with it, and i show/hide stuff all the time |
| 12:40.12 | Galuhad | Another thing I posted on the forums, why does the .toc file have to be called riftaddon? could it be that the client loads the first .toc file it finds in the relavent folder rather than that specific file name? |
| 12:40.51 | Ivnedar | It makes a difference when you're trying to hook into UI.CreateFrame() before any other addon uses it |
| 12:41.41 | ZorbaBeta | galuhad, the real answer is because I was annoyed when you renamed an addon directory in WoW and the addon stopped working because the .toc needed to match the directory. so I used a standard toc name. |
| 12:42.02 | ZorbaBeta | this also theoretically makes it possible to write a cross-game addon, which I found amusing. |
| 12:42.29 | Ivnedar | interesitng |
| 12:42.38 | Ivnedar | I wonder how many would work |
| 12:42.53 | Ivnedar | without cheating and making it detect the game in some wrappers |
| 12:43.04 | ZorbaBeta | Well, you'd definitely need *some* game-specific code. |
| 12:43.27 | Kheldar | ok in fact i guess i misinterpreted my frame behaviour |
| 12:43.43 | Wildtide | cool, you found it? |
| 12:44.09 | Kheldar | cause right now i'm doing frame = UI.CreateFrame("RiftWindow", "frameName", context) config:SetVisible(false) |
| 12:44.22 | Kheldar | then building my frame |
| 12:44.33 | Kheldar | then config:SetVisible(true) |
| 12:44.45 | Kheldar | which is useless ? |
| 12:44.53 | Wildtide | pretty much, yep |
| 12:45.37 | Thinkofdeath | Is there a way to get when an artifact is picked up? |
| 12:45.41 | Wildtide | unless you get into co-routines to build the frame up over a longer period of time, but that's only a concern if you start upsetting the watchdog |
| 12:46.27 | Kheldar | so i guess it not appear 0.2 sec before being hide, but most probably appear like 0.2 sec on the topleft corner before being moved to the center of the screen |
| 12:46.53 | Wildtide | yep |
| 12:47.03 | Wildtide | Thinkofdeath: Event.Item.Update is the most likely i'd say |
| 12:47.11 | Kheldar | but my frame:SetPoint() in between the two SetVisible() lines |
| 12:47.27 | Galuhad | Another question.. For items, is the name/stats returned in the language of the client, or always in English? |
| 12:47.32 | Kheldar | so i'm still wondering why it actually does that :p |
| 12:47.50 | Wildtide | Kheldar: it shouldn't, that still doesn't sound right |
| 12:47.53 | Thinkofdeath | Wildtide: Is there a way to see the source of the item? |
| 12:48.49 | Wildtide | you get a table, of SlotId -> ItemId. you can then use Inspect.Item.Detail(itemid) to get its details |
| 12:48.49 | Kheldar | Yeah, i will try to figure why |
| 12:49.08 | ZorbaBeta | galuhad, name is returned in the client language. stats are returned with unique unchanging identifiers (which happen to be in English, always) |
| 12:49.40 | Galuhad | Thanks Zorba |
| 12:49.42 | Ivnedar | I'm curious how much of the inspect info is retrieved from assets in the client and how much is supplied by the server |
| 12:49.52 | Thinkofdeath | Does that show if it was pickup from the floor or not? |
| 12:50.16 | Wildtide | afaik, and i've never used the item API, it triggers when a bag slot changes |
| 12:50.22 | Ivnedar | like does the server say you have item id x, and the rest is populated by static content in the client |
| 12:50.37 | Wildtide | so wherever it comes from, it'll end up in your bag, and you'll be told |
| 12:51.16 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, all server-side, actually - the client has zero item data built-in and no persistent cache |
| 12:51.19 | Kheldar | Talking about Detail, i think having the ability category (like the role, maybe subcategory) would be nice to be add in Ability.Detail |
| 12:51.24 | Ivnedar | hrrm, interesting |
| 12:51.36 | Ivnedar | so no datamining, but retrieving item info is expensive |
| 12:51.53 | Ivnedar | the expense of the inspect is what I was curious about most |
| 12:51.57 | Galuhad | Zorba, in that case, when the item details are returned, is the id a generic one that matches all items that are the same (no matter which language the name is in) or does it respond to the unique piece belonging to that player? |
| 12:52.04 | ZorbaBeta | Yup. But it turns out it's cheap enough that it's an insignificant amount of bandwidth in normal gameplay |
| 12:52.05 | Wildtide | there's no round-trip on an Inspect call |
| 12:52.15 | Thinkofdeath | I wanted to add artifact locations to my map addon: http://i.imgur.com/3zJey45.png |
| 12:52.20 | Wildtide | you're getting data that the client has already fetched from the server |
| 12:52.33 | ZorbaBeta | galuhad, there is both an item type ID and a specific-item-instance ID. Depending on what you request, the answer is "one of those" :) |
| 12:52.42 | ZorbaBeta | wildtide, true |
| 12:53.17 | Wildtide | the alternative would have an interesting impact on frame rates :) |
| 12:54.05 | Ivnedar | I was just thinking that those items are static between client updates I'd imagine, unless server hotfixes happen without a client update |
| 13:06.35 | Thorarin | ZorbaBeta, need frame event creation! ;) |
| 13:07.04 | Thorarin | And triggering those events, ofc |
| 13:30.01 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, they can, and occasionally they do |
| 13:30.18 | Ivnedar | ok :) |
| 13:38.02 | Adelea | zorba - when itemtypes change, would it be possible to publish a list of the changes? It was noticed recently that the old expert and T1 raid lures have changed itemtype twice... And since itemtype is the only way we have of identifying items... When the type changes, its a pain! |
| 13:39.21 | ZorbaBeta | adelea, it's possible someone could use the spoiler data for that - just compare the before-and-after's. that's pretty much how I'd have to do it, unfortunately |
| 13:40.20 | Ivnedar | Is the discovery data based on new build or old build each reset? |
| 13:40.35 | Adelea | yeah, i ended up trawling the discovery data - and thats when i found 3 item types for the lures |
| 13:41.04 | Ivnedar | sometimes the items are updated in place, sometimes new ones are added and the old ones vanish and sometimes new ones are added and the old ones stay |
| 13:41.07 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, I believe it's based on whatever is currently on live US servers |
| 13:41.36 | Ivnedar | so it's "probably" post patch data |
| 13:41.46 | ZorbaBeta | and yeah item IDs pretty much come down to whatever the designers feel like doing. they're mostly stable, but not always |
| 13:42.10 | Adelea | discovery data seems to be anything that has been discovered - so historical things dont get taken out |
| 13:42.28 | Ivnedar | sometimes |
| 13:42.32 | Wildtide | hey Adelea, didn't spot you lurking there :) |
| 13:42.54 | Adelea | hi! it'd been quiet for hours, so i stopped paying attention, then looked back and there were pages of stuff! |
| 13:43.03 | Wildtide | lol |
| 13:43.20 | Ivnedar | That's how I feel every time I open this window when I get to work in the morning |
| 13:43.26 | Ivnedar | all quiet til I go to bed at 3am |
| 13:43.32 | Ivnedar | then a burst from 5am to 10am |
| 13:43.37 | Ivnedar | (my time) |
| 13:44.51 | Wildtide | i think you're the opposite side of the world to me aren't you? |
| 13:45.13 | Ivnedar | east coast australia |
| 13:45.50 | Galuhad | My sister lives in Australia |
| 13:45.55 | Wildtide | yep, pretty much opposite (UK) |
| 13:46.25 | Adelea | i didnt have you pegged as a Brit Wild ! |
| 13:46.49 | Wildtide | yep, i am. you are too arent you? |
| 13:46.55 | Adelea | aye |
| 13:47.14 | Wildtide | thought so. i rezzed you once in an invasion, so i knew you were EU :) |
| 13:47.18 | Galuhad | and here too |
| 13:48.50 | Adelea | bleh, i added relative heading arrows into an addon, with the warning that they are a guess at best since we dont get actual heading data (hint hint), and ive had a ton of ppl send me msgs about how they are glitchy.. makes me wonder sometimes! |
| 13:49.03 | Ivnedar | lol, I get that a lot |
| 13:49.06 | Wildtide | heh, i wonder if the disproportionate number of brits in here is something to do with how crappy our summers are now ;) |
| 13:49.15 | Ivnedar | even from people I've explained it to over and over |
| 13:49.50 | Galuhad | lol |
| 13:50.00 | Ivnedar | the heading thing I mean, not the brit thing |
| 13:50.02 | Ivnedar | :P |
| 13:50.27 | Adelea | the minimap shows the heading.. so the info is in the client somewhere... be nice to be able to get at it! |
| 13:50.51 | Wildtide | if we could get that, we could do 3D huds and alsorts |
| 13:50.53 | Ivnedar | ZorbaBeta was going to check with the devs if it could be exposed without making it too easy for bots |
| 13:51.01 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 13:51.16 | Ivnedar | you'd need both .heading and .cameraheading |
| 13:51.20 | Wildtide | yes |
| 13:51.46 | Adelea | i have no need of cameraheading, so that one can wait =P |
| 13:52.09 | Ivnedar | you haven't had complains about the arrows not updating when they move the camera around? |
| 13:52.31 | Adelea | not yet! |
| 13:52.36 | Ivnedar | lucky :) |
| 13:56.43 | Adelea | trying to get the last performance warning out of jabob... And it seems to be in Command.Tooltip()... I only try and display it if there is at least 0.03s of watchdog time left.. but that seems to not be enough... 30% of the 0.1s allowed. |
| 13:57.22 | ZorbaBeta | there have been a few cases where addon API functions can take long enough to trigger the watchdog. If you can figure out what's causing it, I can probably fix it |
| 13:58.16 | Adelea | ive never seen it, and whenever ive wrapped a call to Inspect.System.Watchdog() around it, it takes about 0.000001s... So quite why its taking 0.03 for some people i have no idea |
| 13:59.11 | Ivnedar | would it be happening if running in windows mode and the window isn't focus? |
| 13:59.19 | Ivnedar | and/or on a really slow computer |
| 13:59.22 | Adelea | its items in people bags, so ive already done an Inspect.Item.Detail() for them all, so the data should be cached for the most part |
| 13:59.45 | Adelea | a slow computer is my guess, but its annoying that something I cant do much about is causing errors |
| 14:00.20 | Adelea | i could increase the watchdog timer check by a bit, but how much... |
| 14:01.40 | Adelea | ive already pushed the display of it out to a update.begin handler rather than display it immediately i get the mouse in event |
| 14:01.41 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, shouldn't, it only measures actual CPU use |
| 14:01.55 | Ivnedar | oh yeah, I keep forgetting that changed |
| 14:02.00 | Ivnedar | I was glad about that, mine stopped :D |
| 14:02.21 | Ivnedar | Inspect.Quest.Complete() was most of mine |
| 14:02.29 | ZorbaBeta | adelea, the last time this came up, it turned out that if you called Rightclick on an artifact when the user already had the artifact window open and a huge number of artifact sets displayed (i.e. search for "e") it took a long time to clear out the window |
| 14:02.59 | ZorbaBeta | chances are good something vaguely similar is happening here - a native UI situation that is causing an extremely long spinup time - but unfortunately it'll be difficult to find |
| 14:04.53 | Adelea | well, ill reorder some things, and push the tooltip call to be the very first thing that happens during the Event.System.Update.Begin handler. If that isnt enough time, then I cant see what I else I could do! |
| 14:05.56 | ZorbaBeta | if you can figure out what's causing it, I can probably fix the underlying root cause |
| 14:06.51 | Adelea | if id seen it, then maybe i could - but its never happened on my pc, and i cant think what i could build in that would help narrow it down |
| 14:10.01 | ZorbaBeta | yay, may have solved my streaming mic lag problem *and* my I-hate-my-wife's-headset problem :V |
| 14:10.13 | Ivnedar | ooh |
| 14:10.44 | ZorbaBeta | may have some more volume balance issues to fight with, but so it goes |
| 14:11.14 | Ivnedar | The weird thing is, the balance was perfect for me originally |
| 14:11.49 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I balanced it reasonably well . . . but given that I have now replaced the mic entirely, things may have changed |
| 14:11.54 | ZorbaBeta | also I realized that the music was basically inaudible |
| 14:11.59 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 14:12.19 | ZorbaBeta | so, that's fixed, along with a hacky plugin to fade out the music when I'm talking so you can actually hear me :V |
| 14:12.24 | Ivnedar | it was too loud for others when it was the right volume for me, so I figured turning it down will help more people |
| 14:12.29 | Ivnedar | that was horrible :P |
| 14:12.43 | ZorbaBeta | the fade, or something else? |
| 14:12.47 | Ivnedar | the fade |
| 14:13.00 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, you're the first person who's complained about it :) |
| 14:13.09 | ZorbaBeta | what's the problem you're having with it? |
| 14:13.34 | Ivnedar | I can't hear the music except for the 2-3s bursts |
| 14:14.00 | Ivnedar | so it's jarring I guess, like there's no music, then 2-3s of music, then none again |
| 14:14.05 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I can see that |
| 14:14.19 | ZorbaBeta | I'm actually going to reduce the fade effect, but the last time I tried without any fade at all I wasn't all that audible :/ |
| 14:14.24 | Ivnedar | more than happy to live with it if it works better that way for others |
| 14:16.50 | Wildtide | there was music? |
| 14:17.20 | Ivnedar | you had a retro video game soundtrack playing recently didn't you? |
| 14:17.25 | Galuhad | Another question from me :) Does rift have a data api that can be used for websites? I noticed that rift.zam.com lists over 87,000 items - just wondering how they obtained all that info.. something similar to: http://data.lotro.com/ |
| 14:17.38 | Ivnedar | ftp://ftp.trionworlds.com/rift/data/ |
| 14:17.49 | Ivnedar | gets updated roughly once a week |
| 14:17.56 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, I actually just found an artist I really liked and told spotify to play stuff similar |
| 14:17.59 | ZorbaBeta | and it started playing video game music |
| 14:18.01 | Ivnedar | more often if servers get bounced more often |
| 14:18.07 | Wildtide | oh yeah, i can hear it in the last video, which was at a silly time that i couldn't watch :) |
| 14:18.12 | ZorbaBeta | which I admit I don't quite understand, but it was good music, so, cool |
| 14:18.23 | Ivnedar | Yeah, I enjoyed it, and could hear it too :D |
| 14:18.24 | Galuhad | Great thanks |
| 14:18.40 | ZorbaBeta | alright, I've modified the music fade to 50% (before it was 75%) so it should be more audible in general |
| 14:18.45 | ZorbaBeta | so maybe this will work! |
| 14:18.47 | Ivnedar | cool :D |
| 14:18.51 | ZorbaBeta | but I'm not streaming today so you'll have to wait to find out |
| 14:19.04 | Ivnedar | That you know of! |
| 14:19.33 | Wildtide | lol |
| 14:20.00 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.modmic.com/ got this little thing so I could use my real headset :) |
| 14:20.25 | ZorbaBeta | the fact that they're using my actual headset as a display model was encouraging |
| 15:30.03 | Wildtide | i'm not sure the website i'm working on at the moment can technically be called a website any more. i started off with an MVC website which happened to have a Silverlight control embedded. it is now just a single banner and the entire thing is done in Silverlight |
| 15:32.23 | Adelea | sounds more interesting than what im doing... Trying to work out how/what this Finnish payroll system is doing, so that we can work on bringing it inline with out go-forward global payroll system |
| 15:32.39 | Adelea | all these double-dot characters all over the place... its an interesting character set thats for sure! |
| 15:33.05 | Wildtide | ugh, nice |
| 15:34.20 | Wildtide | this is a project/programme management system for new product development at a chocolate manufacturer. not the most exciting system, but the all-you-can-eat perks are cool when i'm onsite :) |
| 15:34.42 | Adelea | its amusing - im talking to 3 ppl, none of whom is fluent in English - so they are working as a committee to explain things to me |
| 15:34.52 | Wildtide | lol |
| 15:35.10 | Adelea | that said, i dont know a single word of Finnish, so they are definately ahead of me |
| 15:35.38 | Wildtide | yeah, we get to be really lazy, everyone seems to speak English |
| 15:36.49 | Adelea | indeed =) My immediate manager is German, and for some reason her accent when she speaks English is lovely! |
| 15:37.47 | Wildtide | hehe, nice :) |
| 15:38.00 | Wildtide | you work for a big international then? |
| 15:38.12 | Adelea | I work for HP, so I guess, yes =) |
| 15:38.19 | Wildtide | rofl, so do i |
| 15:39.09 | Wildtide | done your voice of the workforce? ;p |
| 15:39.15 | Thorarin | My girlfriend used to work for HP, but sheesh... some "interesting" internal politics |
| 15:39.24 | Adelea | my usual scathing VotW response =P |
| 15:39.30 | Wildtide | :D |
| 15:39.41 | Wildtide | yeah, it's not a place i'd recommend |
| 15:39.56 | Wildtide | i thought EDS was bad enough, but HP really took it a step further |
| 15:40.13 | Adelea | well, they let me get away with things not many other employers would! |
| 15:40.24 | Adelea | I think the last time I was in the office, was December 2010 |
| 15:40.30 | Wildtide | wow, nice |
| 15:41.53 | Adelea | noone in my team is in the UK, and neither is my manager - so there is nothing to be gained really by going in - other than a 100 mile roundtrip each day |
| 15:42.48 | Wildtide | yeah, a lot of the time it's not worth it for me, but i get massively bored if i stay at home |
| 15:43.48 | Adelea | oh, there is always stuff to do! |
| 15:44.20 | Adelea | most of the time im massively underworked - or the people giving me work underestimate me - so in the office i would get bored silly w/ no distractions on hand |
| 15:46.17 | Wildtide | hehe, nice! not a problem i have atm unfortunately |
| 15:47.03 | Adelea | i used to argue about it, but gave up... They'd ask me how much time I thought something would take, I'd tell them - they wouldnt believe me, and double or triple it. |
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| 15:47.32 | Adelea | and id already built in some leeway - so ended up finishing in my estimate, and having a lot of spare time |
| 15:52.16 | Wildtide | well, that was a bizarre coincidence anyway... at least it didn't turn out we worked in the same office or something :) |
| 15:52.31 | Wildtide | heads off to get the teas in |
| 16:01.16 | Wildtide | damn, that was a badly timed tea round, it's about time to head home |
| 16:02.10 | Adelea | sounds like a perfectly time one ! |
| 16:05.26 | Wildtide | true, though i wanted to get home a bit early-ish so i can get out and shoot things (i'm a rogue irl) :) |
| 16:05.53 | Adelea | lol. |
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| 16:06.23 | Wildtide | though when i say "things", i do just mean archery targets... i'm not American :D |
| 16:06.29 | Adelea | its a good job guns are hard to get in the UK, else i would have a handgun, and i would have used it on ppl that sit in the middle lane of motorways |
| 16:06.37 | Wildtide | lol |
| 16:10.14 | Wildtide | cya later folks |
| 16:10.18 | Adelea | bb |
| 16:34.17 | Kheldar | Hum, functions called by events require to be global functions ? |
| 16:51.01 | Adelea | kheldar - no, dont think so. |
| 16:53.10 | Kheldar | Well, according to Wildtire topic it's not, but i've errors |
| 16:53.40 | Kheldar | so you're right anyway, thx |
| 17:00.41 | Adelea | what sort of errors ? |
| 17:00.51 | Adelea | - or they sorted noiw ? |
| 17:05.42 | Kheldar | function arguments expected near ',' |
| 17:05.49 | Kheldar | and the code |
| 17:06.21 | Kheldar | checkBox:EventAttach(Event.UI.Checkbox.Change, checkBox:change, "checkBox change") |
| 17:06.51 | Kheldar | the ',' of the error is the second one, if it can help ;) |
| 17:07.46 | Adelea | checkBox.change work ? |
| 17:07.58 | Kheldar | function checkBox:change(handle) state = checkBox:GetChecked() end |
| 17:08.16 | Adelea | i mean as the 2nd arg, use the . notation instead of the : |
| 17:08.24 | Kheldar | oh |
| 17:09.46 | Adelea | or put it inline : checkBox:EventAttach(E.U.C.C, function(self,h) state = checkBox:GetChecked() end, "checkbox change") |
| 17:09.59 | Kheldar | indeed, checkBox.change works |
| 17:10.02 | Kheldar | ty a lot |
| 17:10.43 | Adelea | you may need to add self to the param list of the function - but if you dont use the params, it prob doesnt matter |
| 17:11.40 | Kheldar | well, using checkBox:change(handle) is doing it, isn't it ? |
| 17:11.57 | Adelea | oh i suppose so! |
| 17:12.09 | Kheldar | it works nice now, ty :) |
| 17:12.28 | Kheldar | silly mistakes are the worst |
| 17:12.42 | Adelea | the ones you stare at for hours and just cant see =) |
| 17:13.31 | Kheldar | yes, the fact is, i was absolutely sure to have put a single point here |
| 17:15.48 | Kheldar | so my eyes wer'ent seen this mistake... |
| 17:16.01 | Kheldar | afk now, ty again :) |
| 17:16.04 | Adelea | np |
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| 17:40.21 | Galuhad | Hello again |
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| 17:59.24 | Thorarin | Kheldar: no. |
| 17:59.40 | Thorarin | (not sure it was answered, my PC actually locked up for the first time in... ever) |
| 18:06.17 | Kheldar | ty Thorarin, Adelea help me to find what was wrong with my code |
| 18:11.20 | Thorarin | okay :) |
| 18:34.36 | Galuhad | Could someone explain to me what these mean in the items.xml file: <ItemKey>C6EF9E9F0601C3C5E4224E78</ItemKey> |
| 18:34.37 | Galuhad | <TemplateId>1676130246</TemplateId> |
| 18:34.37 | Galuhad | <PreId>1</PreId> |
| 18:34.37 | Galuhad | <PostId>72950467</PostId> |
| 18:34.37 | Galuhad | <AddonType>I63E7B7C626315D5B,9EDE16142A69AE37,,045922C36F2815F8,000000270000003C,,,</AddonType> |
| 18:42.54 | seebs | ItemKey is the magic cookie used in other XML files to refer to the object. |
| 18:43.03 | seebs | So for instance, the artifact set file uses those to list the items in a set. |
| 18:43.17 | seebs | AddonType is the string you'd pass to the addon API to query that item type. |
| 18:45.57 | Galuhad | Thanks. Any ideas for the TemplateID, PreID and PostID? |
| 19:02.58 | Adelea | AddonType is the Inspect.Item.Detail().type value - this is what you would use to identify the item in game |
| 19:17.58 | seebs | No clue at all on the others. |
| 19:19.44 | Galuhad | ah well, thanks both of you for the ItemKey and AddonType info |
| 19:20.43 | Kheldar | I don't know if it's intended but Inspect.TEMPORARY.Role() give a nil value when execute on a Event.Addon.Load.End. And only on login, not on reloadui |
| 19:22.07 | Kheldar | just a few second after (time needed to type a slash command) it just give the ID of the role properly |
| 19:31.14 | Baanano | probably that happens because the player isn't available yet, check the availability events |
| 19:36.34 | Kheldar | Well, there is noting on the pastebin doc, but maybe somewhere else ? |
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| 19:41.02 | Baanano | http://pastebin.com/Ra9pix1k <- check Event.Unit.Availability.* |
| 19:42.10 | Kheldar | oh, misunderstood what you said^^ |
| 19:50.03 | Kheldar | works nicely after the full availability, thanks |
| 19:56.59 | Adelea | there are a LOT of things that dont work properly early on in an addons life. ive found that over time im moving and more things to happen after EUA |
| 20:07.17 | Kheldar | Well, i will see that then but at least i know how to fix it :) |
| 20:08.26 | Thorarin | Hmm, moving frames is not CPU intensive, is it? |
| 20:08.42 | Thorarin | I can't understand why SlideDown is so CPU hungry :( |
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| 21:13.23 | seebs | Ohhh, hey. Looks like the thing where you get more loyalty from buying credits and then buying patron passes with them is going away. |
| 22:23.58 | seebs | And now: |
| 22:24.03 | seebs | 1. Updating all my addons to new event API. |
| 22:24.12 | seebs | 2. Updating LibRarian to try the storage API before trying direct messages. |
| 22:24.37 | seebs | New event API should be available on Live, yes? |
| 22:27.26 | seebs | And compatible enough that developing on PTS won't screw me over later. |
| 22:28.54 | Torhal | Branches! |
| 22:31.53 | seebs | Wildtide: Just in case I haven't said so often enough yet, thank you so much for the quickie guide to converting to the new event API. |
| 22:33.08 | seebs | ZorbaBeta: What's the state of user-defined event creation and usage these days? I think there was some mention of a bug but I don't recall whether it's fixed, or likely to be fixed. |
| 22:40.55 | seebs | Huh. |
| 22:40.59 | seebs | This is an interesting puzzle. |
| 22:41.04 | seebs | Okay, I have a library: LibDraggable. |
| 22:41.17 | seebs | It basically does what you would expect, makes a window draggable in the easiest way. |
| 22:42.13 | seebs | Thing is, it tries to in some cases pass on LeftUp events. So it was stashing the existing value of window:GetBorder().Event.LeftUp, and then calling it with suitable arguments. |
| 22:42.42 | seebs | I am not sure I can do the same thing for the new API, and worse, I'm not sure whether I can tell which one is in use. |
| 22:43.32 | seebs | Ahh, I can :EventList(). So I guess what I ought to do is check for both forms. Or possibly just drop that feature, but I worry that that's a Breaking Change. |
| 22:43.52 | seebs | As I recall, the Rift idiom for breaking changes is to rename the addon, yes? |
| 22:54.23 | Baanano | seebs you don't need to call the next handler in the chain anymore, the new event model does it |
| 22:55.09 | seebs | Yeah, was just realizing that. Although I think that means that if you put in my new code which doesn't do that, and someone was using the old model, their… oh, wait. I'm not overwriting their settings anymore, in that case. |
| 22:55.15 | seebs | So I guess that's not a breaking change. |
| 22:56.39 | seebs | If you used window.event.foo = <function>, it'll still work, because I'm no longer replacing it. |
| 23:04.01 | *** join/#riftuidev Imhothar (miranda@ppp-188-174-118-105.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 23:11.50 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 23:12.12 | seebs | Okay, so, in the old model, if I set a LeftClick handler for a frame, that got processed only if nothing in the frame had been clicked on. |
| 23:12.29 | seebs | I *think* that's actually right now, too; the handler that lets the frame intercept stuff is the Bubble/Dive stuff. |
| 23:16.53 | Adelea | seebs - i think th ebug about user events, is to do with UI events - all the new event stuff uses global events, and the frame event stuff isnt converted over yet |
| 23:22.36 | Adelea | http://forums.riftgame.com/technical-discussions/addon-api-development/340909-event-api-redesign-4.html#post4282159 |
| 23:36.33 | seebs | My memory is fuzzy. Iterating over a table with pairs(), is it safe to do t[k] = nil on the current key? I was thinking it wasn't, but it occurs to me, I'm not using table.remove or anything, and I can't tell whether setting table members to nil breaks pairs(). |
| 23:36.45 | Imhothar | yes it is |
| 23:36.55 | Imhothar | you can change values but not add new ones |
| 23:37.16 | Imhothar | don't do anythig that caues a rehash |
| 23:37.30 | seebs | I just wasn't sure whether setting a bunch of values to nil could cause a rehash. |
| 23:37.37 | Imhothar | it can't |
| 23:37.54 | seebs | Cool. That simplifies life a little. |
| 23:38.27 | Imhothar | you're technically not removing a value, you're replacing it with nil. the table structure isn't changed until you add something |
| 23:38.34 | seebs | Hmm. I wonder whether Zorba's gotten around to updating LibUnitChange. |
| 23:38.41 | Torhal | seebs: No. |
| 23:38.43 | Torhal | Well, depends on what you're doing. |
| 23:38.45 | Torhal | Just nilling? It's fine. |
| 23:38.47 | Torhal | Nah. You're manipulating values, not keys. |
| 23:39.44 | seebs | My thought is, since I can't distinguish between a value being replaced with nil, and a value ceasing to be in the table, I could conceive of an implementation deciding that, after I've nilled out 980,000 items from a 1M-item table, it might be worth a rehash. |
| 23:40.00 | Imhothar | Lua won't do that |
| 23:40.06 | seebs | k. |
| 23:40.11 | Imhothar | just so that removing values from a table while iterating it works |
| 23:40.31 | seebs | Oh, interesting. LibUnitChange was apparently updated on the FTP server two days ago. |
| 23:40.38 | Imhothar | if you nil 980,000 values and then add a new one is when the rehash happens |
| 23:40.58 | seebs | Good to know! |
