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| 05:54.52 | Thorarin | If they ever have to split the EU cluster, I hope they at least have the common sense to dump German and French in one cluster, and English together :P |
| 06:06.45 | Ivnedar | I'm sure both groups would be glad not to be grouped with "them" :D |
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| 06:07.19 | Alystin | *yaaaaaaaaaawn* Passes some coffee aroung |
| 06:07.27 | Ivnedar | methinks you need it more :) |
| 06:07.37 | Alystin | ^^ |
| 06:07.46 | Alystin | got spares^^ |
| 06:08.18 | Alystin | Today i'm going to fix my inventroy problems -.- |
| 06:09.06 | Alystin | since i haven't found any use for those larvae or shell fragments the architects drop, i'll just go write something to delete them automatically from my inv *evillaugh* |
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| 06:11.40 | Noshei | hey wild |
| 06:12.09 | Noshei | *Wildtide |
| 06:12.23 | Wildtide | lo |
| 06:12.43 | Noshei | Error: wtLibUnitDatabase/wtUnitDatabase.lua:157: table index is nil |
| 06:12.44 | Noshei | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.44 | Noshei | stack traceback: |
| 06:12.44 | Noshei | [C]: in function '__newindex' |
| 06:12.44 | Noshei | wtLibUnitDatabase/wtUnitDatabase.lua:157: in function 'OnBuffAdd' |
| 06:12.44 | Noshei | wtLibUnitDatabase/wtUnitDatabase.lua:393: in function 'PopulateUnit' |
| 06:12.45 | Noshei | wtLibUnitDatabase/wtUnitDatabase.lua:436: in function <wtLibUnitDatabase/wtUnitDatabase.lua:434> |
| 06:12.50 | Noshei | on reloadui |
| 06:13.31 | Ivnedar | I wonder if that's the same error my wife was seeing |
| 06:13.46 | Noshei | Error: wtLibUnitDatabase/wtUnitDatabase.lua:157: table index is nil |
| 06:13.46 | Noshei | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.46 | Noshei | stack traceback: |
| 06:13.46 | Noshei | [C]: in function '__newindex' |
| 06:13.46 | Noshei | wtLibUnitDatabase/wtUnitDatabase.lua:157: in function <wtLibUnitDatabase/wtUnitDatabase.lua:138> |
| 06:13.47 | Noshei | when using a buff on my weapon |
| 06:13.48 | Ivnedar | mouseover unit state was changing during reload and a buff state changing |
| 06:13.49 | Ivnedar | I think |
| 06:13.55 | Ivnedar | ah, reproduceable? |
| 06:14.28 | Wildtide | ohh... not seen that, i'll have a look now |
| 06:14.49 | Noshei | ill verify real fast without any other addons |
| 06:15.55 | Wildtide | fixed |
| 06:16.00 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 06:16.03 | Wildtide | it's buffs with no .type member |
| 06:16.50 | Noshei | makes sense, not seeing it on another toon that has no buffs on it |
| 06:17.04 | Wildtide | sigh... shards are locked, so i can't actually test. gonna upload anyway |
| 06:17.17 | Wildtide | icewatch has gone trial... wow |
| 06:17.32 | Noshei | just put on git but dont release it and ill grab it and test |
| 06:18.46 | seebs | It's their solution to "we can't get people to stop logging into icewatch and making it exponentially more overcrowded". |
| 06:21.20 | Baanano | so they force us to divorce to continue playing! |
| 06:22.25 | Baanano | or don't you get automatically divorced when transfering anymore? |
| 06:22.59 | seebs | Dunno, but that is annoying. |
| 06:23.02 | Wildtide | Noshei: too late, already released :) |
| 06:23.08 | Noshei | ah ok |
| 06:24.09 | Noshei | killed gadgets:buffs now |
| 06:26.04 | Wildtide | ? |
| 06:26.45 | Noshei | Gadgets: Buffs requires Gadgets version 0.3.78 or later. |
| 06:26.45 | Noshei | Please update to the latest version. |
| 06:27.19 | Wildtide | eh? that's weird |
| 06:27.22 | Noshei | WRN: Could not find a factory for gadget type: BuffIcons |
| 06:29.23 | Wildtide | removing the old version check. don't have time to figure out why the switch to 0.4 has broken that |
| 06:29.45 | Noshei | was working with 4.0 |
| 06:29.51 | Noshei | *0.4 |
| 06:30.48 | Wildtide | just looked at the code, it is sooo wrong. 0.4.0 should have broken too |
| 06:31.00 | Alystin | iw is trial oO Noooo |
| 06:31.05 | Noshei | maybe it did and I missed it |
| 06:31.21 | Noshei | lol |
| 06:32.27 | Ivnedar | RIP IW |
| 06:32.36 | Wildtide | yeah... really silly check. if any of the 3 version components a.b.c were less than their equivalent in 0.3.78, it would fail |
| 06:32.52 | Wildtide | so 0 being less than 78 would cause a fail :) |
| 06:33.06 | Ivnedar | chain some ternary operators :D |
| 06:33.31 | Noshei | yeah |
| 06:33.32 | Alystin | olol and Akala gets trialed too? |
| 06:33.36 | Alystin | our poor rp-ppl |
| 06:33.52 | Alystin | now they get flamed to death on pvp or pve servers :/ |
| 06:33.55 | Noshei | so you just need to exit your test if b is greater than 3 |
| 06:34.09 | Noshei | and not even text c |
| 06:34.38 | Ivnedar | true, continue, false |
| 06:34.51 | Ivnedar | for each level, for >, =, < |
| 06:37.32 | Wildtide | no point... the version that Buffs needed was so old no-one still uses it. i just ripped the check out |
| 06:39.31 | Noshei | just remove it from the toc? |
| 06:40.30 | Ivnedar | return (n1 == major) and (n2 == minor) and (n3 == revision) or (n3 > revision) or (n2 > minor) or (n1 > major) |
| 06:40.33 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 06:40.35 | Ivnedar | (please don't) |
| 06:40.57 | Ivnedar | though that probably needs more ()s to not confuse the interpreter |
| 06:41.40 | Ivnedar | return (n1 == major) and ((n2 == minor) and ((n3 == revision) or (n3 > revision)) or (n2 > minor)) or (n1 > major) |
| 06:41.43 | Noshei | looks good now Wildtide |
| 06:41.55 | Ivnedar | I hate myself for writing that |
| 06:41.57 | Wildtide | nice one, thanks Noshei |
| 06:42.11 | Wildtide | lol Ivnedar :) |
| 06:43.13 | Wildtide | i'd have probably just gone for ((n1*10000)+(n2*100)+n3), and done a straight numeric comparison |
| 06:43.50 | Wildtide | maybe a few extra zeroes |
| 06:43.50 | Noshei | yeah that would be far better |
| 06:44.02 | Ivnedar | I was going to ask what happens if you release revision 10000 :P |
| 06:44.21 | Wildtide | i don't see the error, because my versions are all @project-version@ :) |
| 06:45.12 | Noshei | I tried doing that with my dev folder, but I have a program that auto copies any changes to my dev folders directly to the rift addon folder. |
| 06:45.36 | Noshei | so when I'm working on stuff I just hit save and reload ui and my changes are in game already |
| 06:46.00 | Noshei | and having that @project-version@ confuses rift |
| 06:46.54 | Alystin | lol... i'm always working *in* my RIFT folder xD |
| 06:47.00 | Wildtide | me too :) |
| 06:47.07 | Alystin | but then again, my addon isn't too complicated |
| 06:47.17 | Alystin | can't break anything really |
| 06:47.35 | Noshei | well when I was using svn before I couldn't really do that |
| 06:47.48 | Alystin | hum... item id is the id of that particular instance of the item, right? |
| 06:48.09 | Alystin | so if i ways looking for all pink hats, i should use the item type? |
| 06:48.28 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 06:49.03 | Alystin | hm.. what if there are multiple types? |
| 06:49.11 | Noshei | ok and I'm off to bed, since I have to get up for work in 5 hours, sigh. |
| 06:49.16 | Ivnedar | is that even possible? |
| 06:49.20 | Ivnedar | nite Noshei :) |
| 06:49.29 | Alystin | good night :) |
| 06:49.33 | Noshei | it just looks like multiple types, but it is really just a long string |
| 06:49.41 | Alystin | comma sperated |
| 06:49.57 | Noshei | "I3584618666602B00,42A5ABDB6AE0C639,,,,,," |
| 06:50.07 | Alystin | yeah kinda like that |
| 06:50.11 | Ivnedar | that's one type |
| 06:50.18 | Alystin | oooh okay |
| 06:50.24 | Ivnedar | they're compound structures |
| 06:50.38 | Ivnedar | I think there's some "educated guesses" around as to what each part does |
| 06:50.43 | Alystin | so if i do if item.type == "I76F6270D736E23C6,6B3FDFF78DCCAAF1" it would work |
| 06:51.01 | Ivnedar | only if you cut off everything after the second , |
| 06:51.13 | Ivnedar | including the second , |
| 06:51.20 | Alystin | type = "I76F6270D736E23C6,6B3FDFF78DCCAAF1,,,,,," is the full line |
| 06:51.25 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 06:51.33 | Noshei | that item type was for Unique Snowflake if you wanted to know |
| 06:51.39 | Alystin | ^^ |
| 06:51.40 | Ivnedar | the other fields are all the modifiers that can be applied |
| 06:51.46 | Ivnedar | like temporary runes |
| 06:51.52 | Ivnedar | "of the Bear" type things |
| 06:51.53 | Ivnedar | augments |
| 06:52.01 | Alystin | i'm just looking to delete all the larvae and shell fragments and stuff |
| 06:52.04 | Noshei | I choose to leave the type alone and not modify it at all, just better that way. |
| 06:52.12 | Alystin | since they don't seem to have any use |
| 06:52.17 | Alystin | ^^ |
| 06:52.18 | Ivnedar | "I76F6270D736E23C6,6B3FDFF78DCCAAF1,,,,,," |
| 06:52.21 | Ivnedar | use the whole thing then |
| 06:52.27 | Alystin | oh, kay |
| 06:52.42 | Noshei | ok really leaving this time, night |
| 06:52.53 | Alystin | i tried id yesterday, but that nil'ed into my face so i decided to go to bed^^ |
| 06:53.40 | Alystin | pts is still down, isn't it? |
| 06:54.00 | Alystin | don't necessarily want to go and delete stuff in my main chars inventory |
| 06:54.09 | Alystin | since you don't get a confirmation |
| 06:58.35 | Ivnedar | comment out the discard bit and print out its name and slot instead? |
| 06:58.55 | Alystin | would be an idea |
| 06:59.28 | Alystin | but... no risk, no fun :P |
| 06:59.34 | Ivnedar | :) |
| 07:01.57 | Wildtide | Ivnedar: Morgana replied saying she can't change the forum edit timeout, so she's asked someone else to do it when they can. I'll be able to add your addons to the master list at some point :) |
| 07:02.22 | Ivnedar | Wildtide: no worries. Thanks :) |
| 07:04.03 | Wildtide | i'm not convinced about this merged addon+macro forum. they're not really related things, and addon stuff gets lost amongst the macro questions |
| 07:04.21 | Ivnedar | yeah, I don't know how addon posts should work |
| 07:04.51 | Ivnedar | roflmao, my wife's complaining about being stuck in an air conditioner and a digestive system last night |
| 07:04.54 | Alystin | i don't like it either... Tried to browse it a bit, but important things tend to get lost between the "why can't i fully automate my gameplay"-requests |
| 07:04.59 | Ivnedar | took me a moment to realise she was talking about FT/EE |
| 07:05.10 | Alystin | LOL |
| 07:05.29 | Alystin | FT = air conditioner x,D |
| 07:05.35 | Ivnedar | yeah :D |
| 07:05.49 | Alystin | very nice^^ |
| 07:05.50 | Ivnedar | unless addons and macros/ui get dropped down yet another level so they're in seperate sub forums |
| 07:06.12 | Alystin | vbulletin doesn't like too many subforums |
| 07:06.24 | Alystin | it's a bit bitchy with anything deeper than 4 levels |
| 07:06.49 | Alystin | things tend to get lost there even faster^^ |
| 07:07.41 | Ivnedar | post tagging and user defined filters would be nice :D |
| 07:07.43 | Ivnedar | instead of forums |
| 07:07.55 | Ivnedar | would be horrible to manage though I imagine |
| 07:08.22 | Alystin | All possible... though it would require either a new version of vb (to have it built-in) or some heavy modding |
| 07:08.32 | Alystin | which most companies don't want to risk^^ |
| 07:08.40 | Alystin | Can't find the new drops in any of the databases... |
| 07:09.09 | Ivnedar | won't have a new discovery file til next week yet |
| 07:09.17 | Ivnedar | so most won't see anything new |
| 07:09.23 | Alystin | hum |
| 07:09.51 | Alystin | wel don't need it yet anyway, since the servers seem to be down |
| 07:09.58 | Ivnedar | though, they sometimes put out new ones with midweek hotfixes |
| 07:10.07 | Alystin | just doing a little mockup of the ui for my next addon :P |
| 07:19.51 | Wildtide | c'mon Trion... unlock Icewatch so i can move my chars before tonight :/ |
| 07:21.44 | Alystin | hm. they didn't make the new drops stackable, so i'll continue on that addon of mine^^ |
| 07:24.09 | Alystin | or has any on you found a use for them, schort of being a fun item? |
| 07:24.15 | Alystin | -c |
| 07:31.44 | Wildtide | i haven't played at all really yet since 2.3. hopefully tonight :) |
| 07:31.50 | Wildtide | anyway, laters folks |
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| 11:02.08 | Alystin | should look something like CleanBagsSettings = { shells = true, shellKeep = 5 } |
| 11:02.15 | Alystin | yeah you're right |
| 11:02.43 | Solsis | Yea.. I've never seen it done that way.. So I'm a little lost :( |
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| 15:10.02 | Ivnedar | someone forget to switch the servers off? |
| 16:09.29 | Ivnedar | cheers on daglar as he loads his gun |
| 16:09.42 | Alystin | oO |
| 16:09.48 | Ivnedar | Very likely that one will be PvP due to the fact that only one remained in NA. Fair warning in advance, if that shard ends up low population after a few weeks, its getting a bullet in its head or is getting turned PVE. |
| 16:09.52 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.07 | Alystin | ah lol |
| 16:11.54 | Alystin | doesgadgets:Buffs work now? |
| 16:11.58 | Ivnedar | servers were meant to go down for patching 71 minutes ago |
| 16:12.02 | Ivnedar | for a 45 minute downtime |
| 16:12.07 | Ivnedar | now we don't know what's going on :P |
| 16:12.16 | Ivnedar | the countdown hit 0 and nothing happened |
| 16:13.20 | Alystin | wrong timezone? ^^ |
| 16:13.59 | Ivnedar | it matched the time/date given in Morgana's patch notes notice |
| 16:14.35 | Alystin | *shrug* i only hope they're back up at 2000 |
| 16:23.27 | Ivnedar | nite! :) |
| 16:44.01 | Wildtide | Alystin: i hope so |
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| 19:18.57 | Alystin | Wild? |
| 19:19.54 | Imhothar | if you spell out a user's full name they usually get a special flashy notification and other annoying things |
| 19:21.06 | Alystin | loke Wildtide? |
| 19:21.13 | Alystin | *like |
| 19:21.36 | Alystin | ^^ |
| 19:21.49 | Wildtide | lol |
| 19:21.51 | Alystin | Just wanted to ask something about Gadgets |
| 19:22.03 | Wildtide | go on |
| 19:22.12 | Alystin | Life reduce isn't shown, is it? |
| 19:22.19 | Alystin | the little red bar? |
| 19:22.21 | Imhothar | so how quickly it works? |
| 19:22.51 | Wildtide | no, that's something i need to add |
| 19:23.25 | Wildtide | easy to do, i just haven't got around to it. i only remember when i see it happening and notice my frames are showing it |
| 19:23.33 | Wildtide | *aren't showing it |
| 19:23.42 | Wildtide | then i immediately forget |
| 19:24.19 | Alystin | xD |
| 19:24.34 | Alystin | just noticed it while in Raid |
| 19:32.06 | Alystin | i hope we can kill the twins today :/ |
| 19:33.23 | Alystin | anyone bored? ^^ |
| 20:23.02 | Solsis00|zzz | what do you mean by life reduce? |
| 20:49.46 | ZorbaBeta | solsis, some creatures have effects that reduce your maximum life |
| 20:55.00 | seebs | Okay, that is awesome. |
| 20:55.08 | seebs | Problem: People stuck on Icewatch waiting for auctions to expire. |
| 20:55.20 | seebs | Solution: Trion reps pop in and buy out all the reasonably-priced auctions. |
| 21:08.51 | ZorbaBeta | fun fact: we didn't have a good way to do that in an automatic fashion . . . except the addon API |
| 21:09.02 | ZorbaBeta | so I whipped up a quick addon to make it easier for CS to do so :3 |
| 21:10.32 | Solsis00 | lol |
| 21:10.32 | Solsis00 | nice |
| 21:10.43 | seebs | That is sort of awesome. |
| 21:11.22 | seebs | ... |
| 21:12.04 | seebs | And now I have realized that I am back to wanting the botting-allowed server. Because I now see how the API would handle it. You just have an interaction flag called "automation". |
| 21:12.21 | seebs | Some things require the automation interaction flag to be set, like Command.Crafting.Gather() |
| 21:12.40 | ZorbaBeta | . . . and now botters just need to find a single very-important bit in the memory space, flip it, and they have an entire bot API ready and waiting for them to use. |
| 21:14.04 | seebs | Bleh. |
| 21:14.12 | ZorbaBeta | yep :/ |
| 21:14.17 | seebs | I really hate the thing where we can't have nice things because of jerks. |
| 21:14.40 | ZorbaBeta | for what it's worth, though, the buy-everything script was done without any abilities that the base client doesn't have |
| 21:14.41 | seebs | Well, hmm. I'm not sure, though; I mean, assume for the sake of argument that interaction flags were checked by the server. |
| 21:15.03 | seebs | Oh, hey. I thought of an even better variant, too. A botting-mandatory shard. |
| 21:15.20 | ZorbaBeta | hah |
| 21:15.22 | seebs | Key interactions and mouse may not initiate actions or movement. They MUST be controlled through software. |
| 21:15.41 | ZorbaBeta | one thing to keep in mind is that by the time a spellcast gets to the server, there's no way to tell whether it came from an addon or not |
| 21:15.43 | seebs | Warfront trash talk would consist largely of people complaining about fencepost errors. |
| 21:15.46 | ZorbaBeta | so the server really *can't* check interaction flags |
| 21:16.00 | seebs | Ahh, yeah, that'd be an issue. |
| 21:16.44 | seebs | So I got my shiny new keypad, and I have a tragic problem: They went to membrane keys, which I could live with, except the physical connection from the switch to the keys is a little stiff and makes them gooshy. |
| 21:16.48 | ZorbaBeta | I'm amused at the idea of inverting the hardware event requirement |
| 21:16.53 | seebs | I am not sure whether I can make it do what I want. |
| 21:16.57 | ZorbaBeta | "no, there was a hardware event. you can't cast a spell on a hardware event. that is not permitted." |
| 21:17.20 | ZorbaBeta | mmm, that sucks :/ |
| 21:17.36 | seebs | People would be trying so hard to work around it. "I didn't use a hardware event to cast a spell. I just used a hardware event to change the texture in a graphical window. It's not my fault some addon checked the texture's width and decided to cast a different spell!" |
| 21:18.09 | seebs | It may well improve just from wear -- it feels a little like the plastic's just a little tighter-fitting than I want it to be. |
| 21:18.37 | ZorbaBeta | I'll admit I've been spoiled by the quiet das keyboard |
| 21:18.52 | seebs | The key caps themselves are still mechanically compatible with the cherry mx keys, they're just not compatible with the connectors on the circuit board. |
| 21:19.16 | seebs | I am SO fussy about keys. I can't stand the cherry mx blacks (too stiff), most but not all membrane keys (too gooshy), and so on. |
| 21:19.24 | seebs | Basically, I can type on cherry mx browns and SOME membrane keys. |
| 21:20.09 | ZorbaBeta | I've got MX Browns on mine |
| 21:20.17 | ZorbaBeta | though it looks like there's now a quieter MX Red option, which is tempting |
| 21:21.26 | Wildtide | i've got a Dell keyboard. it's got keys on it. when i press them, they go down, and then come up again :) |
| 21:21.42 | seebs | My experience is, the tactile feedback on the browns helps me a lot in typing without pain. |
| 21:21.56 | seebs | See, I have a Dell keyboard. I used it once for nearly an hour. I couldn't type for the rest of the day. |
| 21:22.01 | seebs | Had to do the heating pad/ice pack thing. |
| 21:22.57 | Wildtide | wow... maybe i just don't type enough or fast enough :) |
| 21:23.17 | seebs | You might have less injured tendons to begin with. |
| 21:23.39 | ZorbaBeta | I'm nowhere near that bad, but I did notice hand pain starting a while back, and spent a bunch of effort improving my work situation |
| 21:23.53 | ZorbaBeta | the rat9 is still the most comfortable mouse I've used, which is unfortunate because it's really crummy in a lot of ways :/ |
| 21:24.18 | seebs | My problems mostly date back to a really crappy job before I knew about workman's comp. |
| 21:24.25 | Wildtide | i bought my son a rat 6?, something like that... crazy looking thing |
| 21:24.41 | seebs | I switched from a razer naga to a G600. Not totally happy with the G600, but the comfort-improvement was IMMENSE. |
| 21:25.12 | Wildtide | i use a Razor Death Adder... simple and comfortable |
| 21:25.30 | Wildtide | and the leds match my Razor Nostromo |
| 21:25.41 | Wildtide | (which gets no use whatsoever) |
| 21:25.55 | Wildtide | *Razer |
| 21:26.37 | seebs | Yeah. I used the XK58 for a long time (xkeys), then got a G13 because the xkeys had firmware bugs. Now I have the XK80 and I am really conflicted because the new keys are stiffer/gooshier than I like, but it has many other highly desireable traits. |
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| 21:26.56 | ZorbaBeta | looks like the reds don't give very good tactile feedback. will stick with browns |
| 21:27.00 | seebs | It only has red and blue LEDs, but they can be independently controlled PER KEY. |
| 21:27.22 | Wildtide | i got one as a present for playing rift... but i just can't use it. i've got about 10 years of using a QWERTY keyboard behind me |
| 21:27.29 | Wildtide | (Nostromo that is) |
| 21:27.48 | seebs | I switched to keypads when I was using the DataHand as my main text input device. |
| 21:28.07 | seebs | I kid you not, if they did one of those that used USB instead of special custom high-amperage PS/2, I might well go back to it, thing was amazing. |
| 21:28.15 | seebs | But TOTALLY unusable for MMOs. |
| 21:28.20 | seebs | As in "numbers require a shift state". |
| 21:28.37 | Wildtide | yeah, it's a freaky looking device |
| 21:29.18 | seebs | If it weren't for the firmware bugs, I'd just be using the XK58 still, since it worked fine. Except that every so often every key became e. |
| 21:29.23 | seebs | Until it was power cycled. |
| 21:30.22 | seebs | Keyboards are a great example of a product where there is no "best", there are rather a handful of very different "bests" for different people. |
| 21:30.36 | Wildtide | yep |
| 21:30.39 | seebs | I have a friend who desparately wants a keyboard fairly similar to some mainstream models… with about 90% of normal key size. |
| 21:30.49 | *** mode/#riftuidev [+v Torhal] by ChanServ |
| 21:31.08 | Wildtide | if he moves his chair backwards about 12 inches, it'll look smaller :) |
| 21:32.09 | *** join/#riftuidev Noshei (~quassel@c-24-9-171-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 21:32.57 | Noshei | wow, there are a ton of people in here today |
| 21:33.40 | Imhothar | way to have a prty |
| 21:34.58 | Solsis00 | :) |
| 21:35.12 | seebs | And now, a philosophical question: Do I orient this as an 8x10 grid of buttons, or as a 10x8 grid? |
| 21:35.26 | Wildtide | orient what? |
| 21:36.17 | Wildtide | 10x8 for me would win most of the time; i'm more a horizontal raid frames kinda guy |
| 21:36.51 | seebs | http://www.piengineering.com/xkeys/xk80.php |
| 21:37.16 | seebs | My existing keypads have mostly taken up a more vertical position, but I'm not actually sure which is easier to use. |
| 21:37.36 | seebs | I *think* wider works better, actually. My hands are more horizontal than vertical. |
| 21:37.46 | Wildtide | yep |
| 21:38.15 | Wildtide | right... gonna have to do something useful, instead of just sitting here thinking about doing something useful |
| 21:39.32 | ZorbaBeta | hah, from daglar, re: buying auctions on icewatch: "Someone actually thought I was joking when I told them to do it, and said they would check with someone. I let them know that the guy in charge of RIFT said to get it done" |
| 21:39.41 | seebs | Yeah, I saw that. |
| 21:39.49 | ZorbaBeta | I can vouch for this happening. it was basically "hey let's just buy all the auctions" "lol" "no, really, I mean it, let's just buy all the auctions" |
| 21:39.51 | seebs | My observation: Many MMO companies will do anything reasonable to make customers happy. |
| 21:39.57 | seebs | Trion does not stop there. |
| 21:40.14 | seebs | Mind if I quote you on that to friends in another IRC? |
| 21:40.16 | seebs | It would amuse. |
| 21:40.23 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: would you be able to get the icon name for the credits icon. I tried to find it using Imhothar's Texture Viewer, but it didn't show up at all. |
| 21:40.40 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, I can give it a shot when I'm in next, but that'll be next week |
| 21:40.44 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, go for it :) |
| 21:40.52 | Noshei | ah darn |
| 21:41.19 | Imhothar | what's all the fuzz about auctions? |
| 21:41.35 | seebs | Trion bought all the auctions on Icewatch. |
| 21:41.40 | seebs | So people could transfer without waiting them out. |
| 21:41.44 | ZorbaBeta | imhothar, we closed Icewatch without a huge amount of notice. People can't transfer servers if they have outstanding auctions, and you can't cancel an auction if someone has bid on it |
| 21:41.48 | ZorbaBeta | so a bunch of people were stuck on the server |
| 21:42.03 | Imhothar | huh |
| 21:42.03 | ZorbaBeta | we solved that by just buying all the auctions so that people didn't have outstanding auctions anymore. |
| 21:42.36 | Imhothar | would way of an advertisement if you used BananAH for it |
| 21:43.07 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think bananah has a "buy absolutely everything as fast as possible" feature ;) |
| 21:43.31 | seebs | So, thing is. |
| 21:43.39 | seebs | I was not totally sure what to expect from Daglar being in charge of Rift. |
| 21:43.45 | seebs | I mean, Hartsman is not an easy act to follow. |
| 21:43.52 | seebs | But I think Daglar has become my Favorite MMO Lead Dev Ever. |
| 21:43.58 | Thorarin | They cancelled the auctions, not buy them... well, they started buying first |
| 21:44.14 | ZorbaBeta | thor, the first batch was bought. Later we got a tech solution to cancel them, but that took a few more hours |
| 21:44.35 | ZorbaBeta | Yeah, Daglar's done pretty dang well. I still miss Hartsman, he was a good guy, but Rift's in good hands. |
| 21:44.50 | Thorarin | The issue was auctions without buyouts :) |
| 21:44.56 | seebs | Someone called the rift team "greedy maggots", and Daglar pointed out that this was upsetting. |
| 21:45.05 | Thorarin | Otherwise you could get a friend to buy your stuff :P |
| 21:45.06 | seebs | I have now begun a campaign to request a Greedy Maggot companion pet. |
| 21:45.22 | ZorbaBeta | it was both, really - not everyone had friends available to buy stuff |
| 21:45.27 | seebs | I want it to have the descriptive text "You paid, and you won! Your prize is a disgusting maggot. Eww." |
| 21:45.34 | seebs | It should be in the shop and purchasable ONLY with credits. |
| 21:45.37 | Solsis00 | that's stupid.. people will wine about anything wont' they |
| 21:45.39 | Solsis00 | lol |
| 21:45.51 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, I sort of want that now. |
| 21:46.05 | seebs | See, my thought is: A lot of people would buy it if it were sorta cheap. |
| 21:46.06 | Thorarin | lol |
| 21:46.19 | seebs | And it would fit well with Trion's thing of putting Unique Snowflakes and literal loot pinatas in the game. |
| 21:46.26 | seebs | You know what? |
| 21:46.37 | Thorarin | Anyway, I'll go back to getting ready to transfer somehow -.- |
| 21:46.39 | seebs | Since the Carnival of the Ascended, I've not seen anyone in Rift refer to a raid or dungeon boss as a loot pinata. |
| 21:47.24 | Thorarin | *cough* Goloch *cough* |
| 21:54.51 | Imhothar | it seems Microsoft and Google have both met with our Chancelor regarding the whole PRISM thing |
| 21:55.36 | Imhothar | the whole thing must be like waking the law dragons |
| 21:56.40 | Imhothar | guess it was an attempt to get her talking about it with Obama when she goes there enxt week |
| 22:02.30 | Solsis00 | sigh... stupid server downtime. :( |
| 22:02.36 | Solsis00 | yay new shards |
| 22:02.49 | Solsis00 | but they couldn't wait one more hour where i'll be at work lol |
| 22:03.13 | seebs | It is fascinating to me switching from the Rift forums to IRC chats with different sets of people. |
| 22:03.45 | seebs | Among the normal crowd of gamers I play with, many of whom are currently trying Rift, there doesn't appear to be *anyone* who doesn't think the "all female armor pieces must show cleavage" rule is a little excessive. |
| 22:05.56 | Wildtide | hang on... trying to parse the negatives there... they like the cleavage? |
| 22:06.38 | Imhothar | yah, that's a lot of negations there |
| 22:06.39 | Solsis00 | *raises hand* |
| 22:06.53 | Imhothar | if not even a native speaker gets that... uhm... |
| 22:07.25 | Wildtide | http://forums.riftgame.com/technical-discussions/addons-macros-ui/364848-possible-replace-loading-screens.html#post4302685 |
| 22:07.35 | Wildtide | was that related to my post of about 10 mins ago? |
| 22:08.31 | seebs | Ahh, to clarify: They dislike the tendency for female armor to be Stripper Armor. |
| 22:09.00 | seebs | Whereas on the forums, it appears only a smallish minority of people can see any reason to object. Or they think the objection is to "showing skin" and not to "showing skin only on female models". |
| 22:09.01 | Wildtide | :) |
| 22:09.13 | Imhothar | ah, the less armor, the better the protection, didn't you know? |
| 22:09.42 | Imhothar | in soviet fantasy, female skin is actually harder than steel |
| 22:12.10 | PrivateSniper | but being a slut is fun :O |
| 22:12.28 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds rift stream, for the interested |
| 22:13.28 | Wildtide | ty :) |
| 22:13.48 | Imhothar | when there's a dev hangout with real devs? |
| 22:14.42 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: I take it your not at work right now? |
| 22:15.03 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, yep, at home |
| 22:15.13 | ZorbaBeta | bed soon |
| 22:15.19 | Noshei | any chance you could convince someone to go ask Daglar a question for me? |
| 22:16.04 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think they're taking questions from employees right now ;) |
| 22:16.11 | Noshei | I think it would be rather funny if someone walked in and asked daglar a specific question for me |
| 22:16.40 | Noshei | not sure if you ever saw the thread in the SLAlpha forums about a crucia mount for SL Alpha testers |
| 22:17.43 | ZorbaBeta | nope, I don't read forums a lot |
| 22:17.58 | Noshei | plus it wouldn't be a question from an employee, it would be a question from me routed through an employee |
| 22:19.36 | Alystin | ptt stupid twins *growls* |
| 22:20.12 | PrivateSniper | nn all |
| 22:20.14 | PrivateSniper | o. |
| 22:21.39 | ZorbaBeta | my word that channel is spammy |
| 22:21.46 | Noshei | yeah |
| 22:22.21 | Alystin | would anyone like to look at my code and tell me where my fallacy is located? ^^ |
| 22:22.35 | Baanano | pastebin it |
| 22:24.38 | Alystin | http://pastebin.com/mMSxqm0y |
| 22:25.14 | Alystin | i kept confusing myself, but somehow it works... kinda |
| 22:25.25 | Imhothar | it would help to tell us what to look for |
| 22:25.36 | Alystin | I'm on it xD |
| 22:26.23 | Alystin | You have stuff in the inventory... say, 15. i want to keep 5, so i set the slider to 5. |
| 22:27.02 | Wildtide | seebs - did you hear that about squelching? |
| 22:27.14 | seebs | Hear what about it? |
| 22:27.20 | seebs | <-- not watching the stream. |
| 22:27.21 | Wildtide | in the twitch stream |
| 22:27.22 | Alystin | this value gets saved in SavedVars, for the next time... |
| 22:27.23 | Wildtide | ah |
| 22:27.36 | seebs | I heard that some kind of squelch was coming. And may be in place, since there was a very vague chat note. |
| 22:27.38 | Wildtide | they have implemented a function where if someone gets reported a lot, they get silenced |
| 22:27.53 | Alystin | the slider is 0-(items of that kind in the bags) |
| 22:27.53 | Wildtide | and put on a list for review |
| 22:27.58 | seebs | They said such a thing might be coming. Details not known. Elrar said also that effort would go into making it hard to abuse. |
| 22:28.09 | Wildtide | apparently they've done it :) |
| 22:28.26 | seebs | I haven't gotten squelched yet, anyway. |
| 22:28.30 | Wildtide | lol |
| 22:28.34 | seebs | MHO, they should have it tied to a Report that is not "Report Spam". |
| 22:28.56 | Alystin | problem is, if i delete 10, the max value is 5; if i use one, the next time it's 4 - and breaks the addon |
| 22:28.59 | seebs | So there's a distinction between "welcome to our wow gold service" and "i'm gonna rape your fucking face". |
| 22:29.20 | Wildtide | yeah, i see what you mean |
| 22:29.31 | seebs | And man, do I wish either of those were hypothetical. |
| 22:29.46 | Wildtide | aye |
| 22:30.33 | Alystin | haven't seen a single gold seller so far... but the second i've heard... multiple times in 1-29... |
| 22:30.51 | seebs | I think I've been suggesting that a "report that automatically gets people to the attention of GMs with a ticket precategorized as being about harassment with chat log attached" would be useful since Beta 6. |
| 22:31.50 | Alystin | well, "harassment" is quite often misunderstood |
| 22:32.07 | Alystin | say, ppl talking about wow - for some this is already harassment |
| 22:32.34 | seebs | We have a particularly resilient and abusive player named Ibby on Faeblight who randomly cusses people out for talking in channels. |
| 22:32.51 | seebs | Which would be bad enough, except that it's so easy to provoke her that people do it in purpose. A lot. |
| 22:33.06 | Alystin | oO |
| 22:33.12 | seebs | Interestingly, although I report Ibby for abusive behavior at least once a night when she's on, I probably report the people trolling her more often these days. |
| 22:33.16 | Alystin | for... takling in channels? lol |
| 22:34.06 | Alystin | that's like banning players for playing^^ |
| 22:34.37 | seebs | Honestly, I don't think she *comprehends* the distinction between messages in 1-29 and messages sent directly to her. |
| 22:36.09 | Alystin | oô |
| 22:36.23 | Baanano | alystain, i think you should count again each time you destroy an item, and update the maximum value of the slider |
| 22:39.41 | Alystin | hm. I could save the "keep"-value anyway... and then check if the max-value is higher than that, and if yes, set the slider vale to the keep value? |
| 22:39.43 | Baanano | or just set a static maximum value, and check "if heaps[x] then" before "Command.Item.Destroy(heaps[x])" |
| 22:40.15 | Alystin | that's what i'm trying to avoid - static stuff^^ |
| 22:40.25 | Noshei | "Slammed that in at the last second" - referencing server preformance. That sounds good |
| 22:40.32 | Noshei | you have anything to do with that ZorbaBeta? |
| 22:40.56 | Alystin | because i know my gf - she wants more shells than me and stuff - so it has to be variable |
| 22:41.23 | ZorbaBeta | nope, I haven't really been doing server performance |
| 22:41.33 | ZorbaBeta | I've got some client performance improvements pending, but I'm not trying to get anything in right now |
| 22:41.47 | Noshei | ah |
| 22:41.59 | Baanano | no, i don't mean a static position, just a static max value for the slider, like say... 100? would anybody using your addon want to keep more than 100 of those items? |
| 22:42.16 | Alystin | well... i *think* not^^ |
| 22:42.29 | Alystin | but you never know xD |
| 22:42.44 | Alystin | i guess i'm still too much into strange customer behaviour |
| 22:43.03 | Alystin | "Why would anyone want to play Tetris in word?" |
| 22:43.16 | Alystin | Anyway, sounds good |
| 22:43.17 | Noshei | because they can |
| 22:43.54 | Alystin | exactly. But i think no one will complain about not being able to keep three backpacks full of arhitect larvae... |
| 22:45.06 | Alystin | unless they're actually useful. |
| 22:45.42 | Baanano | make it local MAX_TRASH_I_WOULD_EVER_WANT_TO_KEEP = 100 at the top of the file and if somebody asks for more, tell him to change that value |
| 22:47.25 | Alystin | yeah, that sounds good... i think i'll do that |
| 22:48.21 | Alystin | ah, one other thing - the documentation says item.destroy() is throttled - what exactly does that mean? |
| 22:49.17 | Alystin | i mean, do i have to watch out for something in particular? |
| 22:50.14 | Noshei | "New Rendering Guys" you finally got help ZorbaBeta? |
| 22:50.17 | Baanano | do you mean "This function is subject to the "global" command queue." ? |
| 22:50.48 | ZorbaBeta | yep! it's thanks to that that I'm able to work on the addons right now |
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| 22:52.23 | Baanano | i use this => http://pastebin.com/Ra9pix1k |
| 22:52.26 | seebs | Oooh. |
| 22:52.56 | seebs | Well, that's very encouraging, because it undermines the "F2P is a cash grab with no new investment" theory. |
| 22:54.05 | Alystin | ah... slightly more understandable^^ |
| 22:54.32 | Alystin | i guess that means if other global events are outstanding, they'd be executed first? |
| 22:55.15 | Baanano | i think it means the call could fail if the queue were full, but i haven't seen the global queue being full yet |
| 22:55.22 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, which? |
| 22:55.24 | ZorbaBeta | oh, the hire? |
| 22:56.03 | ZorbaBeta | you'd really have to work at it to fill the global queue |
| 22:56.20 | ZorbaBeta | it's meant more as bug handling than anything else |
| 22:57.25 | Alystin | kk cool :D I was a bit worried already... xD |
| 22:58.11 | Alystin | So, tomorrow i'll do a few changes, then i'll release it into the wild :P And hope the german customer support doesn't ban me xD |
| 22:58.38 | Baanano | oh, where's that puppet show located? |
| 22:58.49 | seebs | Yeah, the new hire. That is Good News. |
| 22:59.16 | Noshei | north west part of hailol |
| 22:59.49 | Alystin | g'night, guys o7 thanks again for all the support :) |