| 00:01.57 | PrivateSniper | have bookmarked them for non-sleepy-eyed look tomorrow :D |
| 00:02.02 | Wildtide | hehe |
| 00:02.23 | Wildtide | Zorba's thread is stickied, my "Dummies Guide" is still on the first page |
| 00:02.38 | PrivateSniper | and eating sugar bon bons before bed is probably a stupid idea :D |
| 00:02.44 | Wildtide | lol |
| 00:03.05 | Wildtide | on that note, i'm off to bed now |
| 00:03.07 | Wildtide | nn folks |
| 00:03.09 | PrivateSniper | nn also |
| 00:03.12 | Baanano | nn |
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| 00:30.10 | Ivnedar | oh well, missed the launch fun I see :) |
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| 00:34.30 | Noshei_ | meh |
| 00:35.55 | Ivnedar | I've discovered that once the digits in money transfers hit 5 digits, it doesn't feel real anymore |
| 00:36.00 | Ivnedar | they're just imaginary numbers moving around |
| 00:37.34 | Ivnedar | I think it's because my head doesn't have anything tangible that it can link monetary values that high to, so they don't really exist |
| 00:42.27 | Ivnedar | oh, I had a thought about the addon dev title |
| 00:42.41 | Ivnedar | let anyone with that title edit their own posts in the addon subforums |
| 00:42.48 | Ivnedar | so we can actually maintain our addon posts |
| 00:43.04 | Ivnedar | instead of a new version update post being on page 20 of an addon thread |
| 00:43.39 | seebs | There is a technical difficulty with forum edit timers, they can't (for some reason) set them over a few months anyway. |
| 00:43.58 | Ivnedar | does the "few months" timer reset every time there's an edit? |
| 00:44.01 | Ivnedar | or is it from first post? |
| 00:46.32 | Noshei_ | first post |
| 00:46.47 | Ivnedar | hang on, there was a opening zone event for dendrome that I missed? :( |
| 00:46.53 | Ivnedar | that sucks |
| 00:47.14 | Noshei_ | the event will still spawn in ashora |
| 00:47.27 | Noshei | it isn't a one time event |
| 00:47.33 | Ivnedar | ah, so not like RoS, phew |
| 00:47.38 | Noshei | and frankly you didn't miss much |
| 00:47.44 | Ivnedar | morgana's wording made it sound like it was a one time thing |
| 00:54.04 | seebs | I think the world event as a whole is one-time, but the specific zone event isn't. |
| 00:54.12 | Ivnedar | cool |
| 00:59.31 | Ivnedar | My strategy is to now cover my eyes and ears and pretend everything is going great, and that it will be fine when I get home in ~5 hours to play :P |
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| 01:40.45 | Ivnedar | http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/187985-3/Guinea-pig-flood.gif |
| 01:40.48 | Ivnedar | 2.3 launch video |
| 02:17.34 | ZorbaBeta | sigh. I want to play the game but I need to go update my addons first :V |
| 02:26.51 | seebs | heh. |
| 03:17.36 | Ivnedar | Carnage Book is up if you use that one! :P |
| 03:17.43 | Ivnedar | Need to test ReDAR first before uploading it |
| 03:17.53 | Ivnedar | which I'm too lazy to do at work |
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| 03:18.49 | Ivnedar | curseforge doesn't list game version 2.3 yet either, so I guess 2.2.4 will be close enough |
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| 17:00.59 | Thorarin | IIRC it's not possible directly on RiftUI tho |
| 17:01.07 | Cairenn | (permission also means it having been released with an open license) |
| 17:01.43 | Cairenn | Sure it is, you just send me a PM, or talk to me in here, or post a thread in the Site Help forum, or ... |
| 17:01.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:01.49 | Alystin | i guess i'll just wait a bit... i mean, i wouldn't be looking every say if there was no activity for a while |
| 17:02.17 | Alystin | what is not possible? Forking? |
| 17:02.38 | Cairenn | gimme a minute to read scroll back |
| 17:02.55 | Alystin | sure^^ |
| 17:03.57 | Thorarin | Cairenn: I meant, not possible as a self-service type thing :) |
| 17:04.07 | Cairenn | Okay, we're talking about this addon? http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info328-Hand-me-downs.html |
| 17:04.12 | Alystin | yep |
| 17:04.28 | Cairenn | Thorarin: I know, just saying it isn't really any harder to do |
| 17:04.34 | Thorarin | True :) |
| 17:04.45 | Cairenn | Alystin: yeah, go ahead, he gave permission |
| 17:05.11 | Alystin | so... do i just put it up as a kind-of-new addon? |
| 17:05.30 | Alystin | and mention that it's originally from him/her? |
| 17:05.45 | Thorarin | Anyway, no reply from Karuul yet, I guess he's busy as usual :> |
| 17:05.46 | Cairenn | Well, that's partially up to you, depending on what you've done with it. |
| 17:06.12 | Cairenn | If you've completely rewritten it, but took inspiration from him, submit it completely new |
| 17:06.17 | Alystin | hm. The original unctionality - sending artifacts to another char - is the same |
| 17:06.38 | Alystin | but i improved it - so now there are no more errors - and enhanced it a bit |
| 17:07.12 | Cairenn | If, on the other hand, it's basically an addition to what he has already done, you can consider uploading it as either an addon or a patch to the original |
| 17:07.28 | Cairenn | Here: http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info328-Hand-me-downs.html#other |
| 17:07.54 | Alystin | hum. It's basically stand-alone, like his was before |
| 17:08.08 | Cairenn | upload it as a separate project then |
| 17:08.11 | Alystin | kk |
| 17:08.24 | Cairenn | Do make sure to give credit to the original in your description, please |
| 17:08.35 | Alystin | of course =) |
| 17:08.39 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:08.52 | Thorarin | Another happy customer ;) |
| 17:09.01 | Alystin | :D |
| 17:09.14 | Thorarin | brb reboot.. stupid Windows updates from a few weeks ago prolly |
| 17:09.20 | Alystin | ^^ |
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| 17:35.57 | Alystin | there we go. Uploaded and pending :) |
| 17:36.26 | Cairenn | Approved |
| 17:36.46 | Alystin | thanks a bunch :D |
| 17:36.54 | Cairenn | You're welcome. :) |
| 17:38.45 | seebs | There is a thread on the forums on the topic of the items that people have lost due to the bank becoming smaller. |
| 17:38.55 | seebs | Which is sort of interesting, in that the bank did not become smaller. |
| 17:43.33 | Alystin | lol |
| 17:44.53 | Alystin | what i find a little bit annoying is that i have to buy the two bank slots^^ and the price is evil. a packet for 5 euros has 975 crystals, yet a slot costs 774. So i'd have to buy a total worth 10, but i'll have around 3-4 left |
| 17:54.46 | Alystin | Okay, raiding the dragon queen :) later |
| 17:57.48 | Aly_Away | uh... one question though... How would i update my addon? I just realized i left a debug message^^ |
| 18:02.42 | Cairenn | Go to the addon page and use the [edit] option |
| 18:14.38 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, in a sort of literal sense, it did become smaller - the icon scale is slightly reduced in order to fit the vault buttons |
| 18:15.34 | ZorbaBeta | that said, I assume that's not what they're referring to :V |
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| 18:35.44 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta, the itemtype "credit" doesn't work with Inspect.Item.Detail(). Guess that's the same special case as with "coin"? Is there any plans to "unify" these with the other coins? |
| 18:35.56 | Imhothar | I mean currencies |
| 18:36.59 | ZorbaBeta | there is not. the other currencies are actually represented by items; coin and credits don't have an itemtype backing them |
| 18:37.20 | Imhothar | sigh |
| 18:37.28 | ZorbaBeta | (they're actually stored in a completely different place in the data structures, it's just smoke and mirrors that they show up as "currency" instead of as something else) |
| 18:38.20 | Imhothar | who comes up with that |
| 18:38.20 | Imhothar | consistency ftw |
| 18:38.55 | Imhothar | btw your live addon changelog thread is no longer sticky |
| 18:39.44 | ZorbaBeta | oops, forgot to close it also |
| 18:39.46 | ZorbaBeta | fixed, thanks :) |
| 18:41.03 | Imhothar | off to the fixing board |
| 18:41.10 | Imhothar | If only had a board |
| 18:42.31 | Imhothar | hmmm I should really get my character off level 50 some time |
| 18:45.53 | Imhothar | heh interesting. got a mail in german from a german who offered the russian translation |
| 18:46.01 | Imhothar | need more such people |
| 18:50.51 | seebs | Hey, Zorba. Would you be interested in some accessibility feedback? |
| 18:50.51 | ZorbaBeta | sure :) |
| 18:50.51 | seebs | One of my friends, who has different vision from me, ran into a ton of things. |
| 18:50.58 | seebs | 1. Soul window not scalable by any obvious means. 2. Soul window has TINY icons and lots of blank space. 3. Soul window tooltips don't respect the general UI tooltip scale. |
| 18:51.16 | seebs | Which reminds me to ask whether the addon Command.Tooltip() window respects a scale set on the regular UI's tooltip anchor. |
| 18:51.55 | seebs | Basically, she would find it a lot more usable if the icons in the soul window were at least 50% larger, which I think could be done without making the window as a whole larger. And if the tooltips were in larger print. |
| 18:52.17 | seebs | Also she discovered, and I did not know this, that if you set a scale on the "tooltip anchor" in edit layout, it DOES affect normal game tooltips. |
| 18:52.47 | ZorbaBeta | Command.Tooltip() should definitely respect the regular UI settings |
| 18:53.04 | seebs | BTW, a very interesting thing happened in the 2.3 launch, apparently: A whole lot of people report that their last two bank bags suddenly lost custom locations, and started doing the thing bags do when they've never been moved by the player. |
| 18:53.23 | seebs | Someone mentioned that there is now a way to reset bags to use that default automatic-moving location thing, but I don't know what it is. |
| 18:53.31 | ZorbaBeta | one problem with making the icons larger is that the window ends up looking really cluttered, which can, itself, reduce usability :/ |
| 18:53.36 | seebs | Yes. |
| 18:53.43 | seebs | I think they may be a little TOO small at the moment. |
| 18:54.12 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, quite possible. I'm not sure we'll get around to changing it, though, we've got limited manpower for tweaks like that |
| 18:54.19 | seebs | Yup. |
| 18:54.29 | seebs | You know, that led me to a thought. |
| 18:54.33 | ZorbaBeta | if only we had an infinite amount of time for development :/ |
| 18:54.46 | seebs | Hey, silly question. Is there any interaction available between addons and the Edit Layout stuff? |
| 18:55.03 | ZorbaBeta | besides the coordinates on the native frame changing, not yet |
| 18:55.05 | seebs | Because it occurred to me that the ability for addons to tweak those settings, save them, restore them, and so on, would be SUPER useful. |
| 18:55.07 | ZorbaBeta | although I've kinda wanted to rig that up |
| 18:55.17 | seebs | Specifically, I would kill for the ability to set layouts per-resolution. |
| 18:55.49 | seebs | You could probably get a whole lot done with something that was basically just the layout save/load to a Lua table instead of a file. |
| 18:56.11 | seebs | Because the layout editor is plenty flexible, just annoying to have to interact with sometimes. |
| 18:56.17 | seebs | Also /importui has a severe bug with UI scales. |
| 18:56.20 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, does the layout already save to a user-readable file? or is it opaque? |
| 18:56.27 | seebs | I would consider it opaque. |
| 18:56.43 | seebs | It's a binary file named .dat and I don't know its format. |
| 18:56.44 | ZorbaBeta | one worry is that I would not be surprised if there were settings you could make that would crash the game |
| 18:56.52 | seebs | True. |
| 18:56.56 | ZorbaBeta | the UI layout engine is not as durable as the frames layout engine :V |
| 18:57.18 | seebs | Oh, the scale bug, which I should give specifics of: Importing a UI layout which has a global scale of 100% does not set the global scale to 100%. |
| 18:57.24 | seebs | It leaves the global scale unchanged. |
| 18:57.37 | seebs | Presumably because 100% is the default, so it's not saved as a setting-which-is-present. |
| 18:57.57 | ZorbaBeta | ah, yep, I bet that's exactly what it's doing |
| 18:57.59 | seebs | So a layout with a global UI scale of 85% will set the scale, but a layout with a global UI scale of 100% won't. |
| 18:58.08 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 18:58.40 | seebs | I don't know how big or small a thing it would be, but it *sounds* to me like exposing the layout editor settings would be pretty easy. |
| 18:58.49 | seebs | The only hard one is the window-attached-to-window part. |
| 18:59.49 | ZorbaBeta | as always, the tough part is parsing and validation |
| 18:59.51 | seebs | Annoyingly, the arrow-key-nudges in layout mode break attachments. |
| 19:00.17 | ZorbaBeta | I've spent like two days writing parsing and validation for Canvas:SetShape() >_< |
| 19:00.48 | Imhothar | credits are an account wide currency, right? |
| 19:01.03 | seebs | What I sort of envision is something like Command.Native.Framename:SetScale(n), Command.Native.Framename.SetPoint(). With a much more restricted SetPoint. |
| 19:01.30 | ZorbaBeta | imhothar, yep |
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| 19:03.19 | seebs | And I guess SetAlpha, since I think we can do that now. |
| 19:03.36 | seebs | I had some lovely idea which occurred to me that would totally improve my UI experience but… oh. |
| 19:03.42 | seebs | Yes, I remember. I found YET ANOTHER quirk. |
| 19:03.58 | seebs | Imagine that for some reason you have bound 1-0 to a bar other than the "main" button bar. |
| 19:04.25 | seebs | Things that give you a custom action bar, like some of the "take over this machine" quests, become much harder because there's no bindings for their special bars, which replace the main action bar. |
| 19:05.03 | ZorbaBeta | ah, yep, the custom action bar behavior is a bit tricky because of that |
| 19:05.07 | seebs | BTW, I think you mentioned that you use a G13? |
| 19:05.19 | ZorbaBeta | I did, though I haven't been using it lately |
| 19:05.23 | seebs | I have ordered an XKeys XK80 because I want to see whether their shiny new software has improved life. |
| 19:05.49 | seebs | The G13 is really nice for me, except for the thing where Rift really does not have good support for making button layouts which map well to the G13's visible layout. |
| 19:05.59 | seebs | I like to have my buttons match the input device. |
| 19:06.11 | ZorbaBeta | I always just tossed four action bars on top of each other |
| 19:06.14 | seebs | I used to use the XK58, and it's really nice, except that the firmware would freeze up. |
| 19:06.37 | Imhothar | so far I have enough bindable buttons on my mouse |
| 19:06.47 | seebs | That's roughly what I do, *except*, the action bars can't do 7-button-wide. |
| 19:06.51 | seebs | Ugh. |
| 19:06.52 | seebs | Mouse. |
| 19:06.54 | Imhothar | combined with ctrl/alt/shift that's possibly more combinations that fit on a G13 |
| 19:07.06 | seebs | So I have a G600. I like the G600. I have set it up so that its buttons are num pad buttons. |
| 19:07.09 | seebs | This works really well... |
| 19:07.14 | seebs | Until I use a small bluetooth keyboard. |
| 19:07.21 | Imhothar | I need no stinking numpad ;) |
| 19:07.39 | seebs | The bluetooth keyboard has an embedded numpad. So either numlock is on, and the keyboard can't type most letters, or numlock is off, and the mouse buttons don't work. |
| 19:07.53 | seebs | I … regularly find myself wanting more buttons than are conveniently available. |
| 19:08.02 | Imhothar | I don't have a numpad and don't really miss it |
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| 20:59.23 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta will it be possible soonish to inspect the new bag slot/bank vault prices/buyability and command the purchase? |
| 21:00.09 | Imhothar | some possibility to test credit-related stuff on PTS would be very helpful |
| 21:01.13 | Imhothar | or get it refunded or something |
| 21:07.17 | Thorarin | Russian was P2P |
| 21:07.28 | Thorarin | I have a Russian account somewhere |
| 21:07.50 | Thorarin | 2.3 is announced there, but no date yet |
| 21:07.57 | Thorarin | From what I've seen |
| 21:08.00 | Imhothar | interesting, in a moment of stupidity I called Frame:SetBackgroundColor(255, 0, 0, 0.5) and it turned out to be translucent black |
| 21:08.36 | seebs | You know what Rift totally ought to have? |
| 21:08.53 | seebs | A trial server. Which is actually up, and available for login, and which new players are directed to as a recommended destination. |
| 21:09.12 | seebs | So all the incoming people can play the game without slogging through huge queues, and then they can transfer to regular servers if they want. |
| 21:09.35 | seebs | This would resolve the "if we opened a new server it would be in a separate cluster" problem; the separate cluster trait would be a benefit, not a liability. |
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| 21:16.03 | Imhothar | Am I the only one who gets white on white or black on black text in many forum edit fields, dropdown boxes and the code windows when posting? |
| 21:17.36 | seebs | I dunno about "many", but certainly at least a few. |
| 21:17.38 | seebs | The user control panel page showing "likes" is pretty useless. |
| 21:25.56 | Imhothar | hmm calling :SetEffectGlow with { colorR = 0, colorG = 0, colorB = 0, colorA = 1 } makes the text disappear |
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| 21:30.28 | Noshei | thats strange Imhothar it isn't doing that for me |
| 21:31.02 | Imhothar | yeah, it stopped doing it |
| 21:31.12 | Imhothar | must be a heisenbug |
| 21:32.12 | Imhothar | Noshei, since you're here. Adding the label background alpha to Glow test would be superb |
| 21:32.51 | Noshei | yeah I had thought about that after I released it, it is fairly easy to change though |
| 21:33.10 | Noshei | GT.display.preview:SetBackgroundColor(1,1,1,1) |
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| 21:37.34 | Noshei | anyone got any ideas on what the name of the credits icon would be? |
| 21:39.35 | Noshei | Imhothar: I think I would love you if you added arrow key support to Texture Viewer |
| 21:41.20 | Imhothar | I would love myself for doing that, but I haven't investigated yet |
| 21:41.35 | Imhothar | and I find myself trying it all the time. shows you hwo lazy I can be ;) |
| 21:41.43 | Noshei | lol |
| 21:43.11 | Noshei | I said screw it and just deleted the saved var's file for tv and let it create a new (and significantly shorter) one |
| 21:43.49 | Imhothar | simple problems require simple solutions |
| 21:45.43 | Imhothar | If I had more time I'd add more features to it. Like a hierarchical list and so on |
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