| 00:03.53 | seebs | heh |
| 01:01.19 | seebs | At least on PTS: Character slot unlock is global. As in, buy a single such unlock, use it, and you can have 7 characters on both servers. |
| 01:01.41 | Noshei | thats good |
| 01:04.18 | Noshei | gotta say, you can do some nice effects with SetEffectGlow |
| 01:04.38 | Noshei | I really like the knockout |
| 01:05.51 | seebs | What does "knockout" do, exactly? |
| 01:06.06 | Noshei | well go download my little addon and find out |
| 01:06.53 | Noshei | basically it removed the actual font and just leaves the glow as an outline |
| 01:07.18 | Noshei | I'm guessing it just sets the font alpha to 0 |
| 01:14.04 | seebs | So I'm testing the character slot stuff. |
| 01:14.16 | Noshei | ok |
| 01:14.23 | seebs | Long story short: If you make about 6 characters in a row, you start always getting your head drawn totally-pale no matter what color your body is. |
| 01:14.31 | seebs | Or have 1" long eyelashes of solid black. |
| 01:14.57 | Noshei | lol |
| 01:16.15 | seebs | Oh, interesting. |
| 01:16.22 | Noshei | ? |
| 01:16.44 | seebs | I once managed a bug on some server, I forget which, which allowed me to create more than 6 characters on a shard. |
| 01:16.54 | seebs | Which created interesting problems. |
| 01:17.16 | seebs | Anyway, looks like that's back. You can create more than 12 characters if you use more than 6 character slot unlocks. |
| 01:17.38 | Noshei | they might not have the cap in there yet |
| 01:18.23 | Noshei | just like you could buy 14 more role slots from the trainer, even though they said you would only be able to get 12 from the trainer and 2 from loyalty |
| 01:18.48 | seebs | The thing is, you can create a 13th character, but then you can't use it or see it in any way... |
| 01:19.13 | Noshei | lol |
| 01:19.26 | Noshei | what happens if you transfer one of hte other ones off |
| 01:20.32 | seebs | Dunno! Probably see that one then. |
| 01:21.29 | seebs | Huh, maybe I just counted wrong. |
| 01:21.59 | Noshei | lol |
| 01:22.01 | seebs | It appears to really only allow 12. So I may have just gotten off by one. In which case letting you buy a nonrefundable item, or use an item that has no effect, is sort of a bug. |
| 01:23.35 | Noshei | yeah |
| 01:27.16 | seebs | Oooh. |
| 01:27.26 | seebs | I just thought of an even *worse* problem with the payment info in-game thing. |
| 01:27.35 | seebs | REX are not plat. |
| 01:27.50 | seebs | Which means they don't trip the "this character is carrying too much plat to transfer to a different server" rules, I betcha. |
| 01:28.15 | seebs | Which means that not only can attackers siphon ridiculous amounts of money from an account, but they can make it way harder to trace than it might be otherwise. |
| 01:30.31 | Noshei | yeah that sounds like an issue |
| 01:32.44 | seebs | So, item for my to-do list: I need to come up with a prepaid card or something similar which will be able to be "valid payment info" on my account, so I can delete the real cards with actual credit limits. |
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| 03:30.38 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: who can I report a UI glitch to? |
| 06:15.27 | ZorbaBeta | when noshei gets back, tell 'em that glitches can be reported to me and I'll relay them on |
| 06:17.08 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, Inspect.Role.Detail() would probably be coming up next, along with Inspect.Soul.List() and Inspect.Soul.Detail(). Quite likely with Inspect.Attunement.Detail() at the same time. Command.Role.Spend would be a bit further out there - depends on how difficult it seems at that point |
| 06:18.28 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, huh, nice bug report regarding making lots of characters. wouldn't surprise me if that's related to the weird armor-color glitch |
| 06:18.31 | seebs_ | BTW, dunno if it's an exploit, but suddenly LOTS of 10-slot bags showing up. |
| 06:18.55 | seebs | Can't see how they'd be making it to Live, but there's a huge rush of 'em suddenly. |
| 06:19.09 | seebs | Also, lots of consumable account entitlements can be bought when they cannot be used or returned. |
| 06:19.15 | ZorbaBeta | showing up? as in, what in the auction house? |
| 06:19.48 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 06:19.56 | ZorbaBeta | Huh. Wonder what's going on there. |
| 06:20.02 | seebs | As though the freebie 10-slots for registering were being sold in huge quantities, but that makes no sense for several reasons. |
| 06:23.03 | seebs | But being able to, say, buy 8 character slot unlocks, then use them, and only getting 6 slots… Not ideal. |
| 06:23.12 | seebs | Interesting that character slots are cross-shard. Not sure whether intentional. |
| 06:24.00 | seebs | The net result is that character slots are ~648 credits for a slot on every server, and profession slots are ~1080 credits for one slot on one character. |
| 06:24.10 | seebs | I guess this is because selling character slots means selling more per-character items. :) |
| 06:25.12 | ZorbaBeta | honestly, I think at least part of it is that we don't have any way to do per-server settings for users :V |
| 06:25.27 | ZorbaBeta | we could of course write one, but it's much faster to *not* write one |
| 06:25.52 | seebs | I am anticipating a LOT of problems from the "platform features cannot distinguish PTS from Live" feature. |
| 06:26.52 | ZorbaBeta | Maybe. I've heard of a few ways we may be solving that, though nothing announced yet |
| 06:27.32 | ZorbaBeta | for what it's worth, every time someone's told me about a potential credit exploit or massive user experience problem, it's turned out we're already solving it. so, we've got good people on this one. :) |
| 06:28.00 | seebs | Yeah. "Solving" being slightly different from "solved". |
| 06:28.11 | seebs | In general, I trust Trion to think things through, but not always to think them through before something launches. |
| 06:28.24 | ZorbaBeta | True. Though remember the PTS always ends up a few days lagged behind the main codebase, at best. |
| 06:29.33 | seebs | I have seen things make it to PTS within hours of dev posts saying they were checked in, but yeah, it does lag some. |
| 06:30.17 | ZorbaBeta | we try to make sure QA has an opportunity to break everything first :) |
| 06:30.36 | ZorbaBeta | (they're quite good at it) |
| 06:30.43 | seebs | The patron pass thing was awesome. |
| 06:31.14 | seebs | I note also that I have not gotten loyalty for credits bought yet, only for credits spent, but I imagine that'll get sorted. |
| 06:32.16 | seebs | Biggest genuine concern is the need to get a separate new card with a tiny credit limit for rift subs, because there's no way to keep my very nice sub deal without payment info on the account, and no way to limit use of that payment info at all. |
| 06:32.28 | ZorbaBeta | Probably. I actually have no idea how that system works, I'm one of the few people who hasn't been touching it at all |
| 06:32.54 | seebs | And really, I probably ought to be doing that anyway. :) |
| 06:33.23 | ZorbaBeta | I make a new email address for every time I type my address into a field. kinda wish I could do the same thing with my credit card numbers |
| 06:33.53 | seebs | You can with some credit card providers. |
| 06:34.01 | seebs | With things like spending limits, vendor restrictions, and so on. |
| 06:34.07 | ZorbaBeta | some, but nowhere near universal :/ I don't think mine supports it |
| 06:34.34 | seebs | Yeah. I might get a card to have that feature. |
| 06:36.08 | Thorarin | Hmm, given that sometimes we let our niece and nephew mess about on our Rift accounts that could be nice :S |
| 06:36.36 | Thorarin | Usually keep an eye on them, but you only need a few seconds :) |
| 06:36.40 | Ivnedar | I assume that if the account is coinlocked, no credits can be spent/purchased? |
| 06:36.58 | seebs | I would assume so. |
| 06:37.13 | Thorarin | I guess, but I have no way to get coinlocked |
| 06:39.11 | ZorbaBeta | unrelated, if anyone wants to see a horrifically skilled player of Super Meat Boy: http://www.twitch.tv/lethalfrag currently trying to beat his speedrun record |
| 06:39.52 | seebs | I assert that the name completion in the Rift mailbox UI is the first successful implementation I've ever seen of POMA. |
| 06:39.57 | seebs | The Principle of Most Astonishment. |
| 06:40.08 | seebs | Two years in, I *still* can't predict what name a given set of letters will complete to. |
| 06:40.20 | ZorbaBeta | yeah I've been confused by that one too. keep meaning to go in there and figure out what's going on |
| 06:40.25 | ZorbaBeta | but other things tend to press more |
| 06:40.29 | Ivnedar | I've gotten used to it |
| 06:40.31 | Ivnedar | it keeps state |
| 06:40.34 | seebs | I have a theory. |
| 06:40.37 | Thorarin | Don't know the game at all, but it looks tricky :P |
| 06:41.01 | seebs | 1. If I type another letter after it picks a name, it assumes that name was wrong. 2. That means that name goes to the bottom of a list somewhere. |
| 06:41.06 | Ivnedar | so if there's a list of 10 things that it'll complete to, first time you complete it will be the first one, next time you type that same sequence, it starts at the second point in that list |
| 06:41.38 | seebs | So if K expands to Katrinka, and I type "Ka", it will expand to the next character who *isn't* Katrinka but starts with Ka. And then if I hit "K" again, it'll start from there, even if I had then gone on to spell out "Katrinka". |
| 06:41.58 | ZorbaBeta | did you know that, standing in Sanctum, the game is spending a full 200us every frame checking the PVP flags of nearby NPCs? Fascinating one there. Hopefully fixed soon. :) |
| 06:42.05 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, yep, that's what I think it does also |
| 06:42.11 | seebs | what the ... |
| 06:42.32 | seebs | I am convinced, BTW, that the PvP flag state thing is mostly Inherited Bad Design. |
| 06:42.48 | seebs | There were reasons WoW had it, but it makes for annoyances more than fun in Rift. |
| 06:43.06 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, turns out there are a lot of things that care about pvp flags, and our check is surprisingly slow. I'll probably just cache the result, though I need to make sure the cache invalidates properly |
| 06:43.13 | seebs | Walk too close to a random building in Fortune's Shore, suddenly attacked and either (1) you flag and get killed by higher-level people or (2) you can't fight back. |
| 06:43.39 | Ivnedar | hee hee, I've died a few times to that building |
| 06:44.02 | seebs | And the thing is, there's no *reason* you need to flag to fight the guards. Or that the guards need to attack you. |
| 06:44.08 | ZorbaBeta | I've been doing a lot of thinking lately about "games that know what they are and focus on being that thing". I think open-world pvp in a fundamentally pve MMO is an example of a game that isn't quite sure what it's trying to be |
| 06:44.16 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 06:44.30 | seebs | Daglar basically said, the reason there's not a lot of world PvP is people think it sounds awesome but quickly lose interest. |
| 06:44.44 | ZorbaBeta | it existed in everquest because everquest was basically "dungeons and dragons: the video game", and of course you can stab your friends in the back in D&D because why wouldn't you |
| 06:44.48 | seebs | My theory is, the reason 3-faction PvP is so popular is that, at any given time, 2/3 of the population are "winning". |
| 06:45.05 | Ivnedar | like conquest? |
| 06:45.12 | ZorbaBeta | I've actually joked that there's a great way to make team-on-team PvP far more fun for everyone |
| 06:45.21 | ZorbaBeta | first, write a bot that sucks, but is difficult to distinguish from a human |
| 06:45.34 | ZorbaBeta | then, every time a team-on-team game starts, make sure half of one team is populated by crummy bots |
| 06:45.45 | seebs | Well, all these people talk about how open world PvP is only viable in 3-faction games. And I realized, that's why. |
| 06:45.47 | ZorbaBeta | congratulations! now every real player has a 2/3 win rate |
| 06:45.48 | Ivnedar | isn't that what conquest was originally going to be? |
| 06:45.52 | seebs | Because if people lose half the time, they hate it. |
| 06:46.15 | Ivnedar | I remember talk of conquest being a blend of npcs and players that are indistinguishable to the opposite side |
| 06:46.55 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, looking at stats in World of Tanks is fascinating. Average win rate is somewhere around 49.5% (thanks to ties). A really good player has 53%. A really bad player has 46%. The range is just *tiny*. |
| 06:47.45 | ZorbaBeta | (then you see the occasional player with 38% or 62%, both of which are impressive for different reasons) |
| 06:48.03 | Ivnedar | my conquest win rate is probably under 38% :D |
| 06:48.10 | Ivnedar | closer to 5% I think |
| 06:48.25 | seebs | Yeah. Thing is, look at the dunning-kruger estimates of competence. |
| 06:48.33 | seebs | People tend to assume skill ought to show up significantly in outcome. |
| 06:48.41 | seebs | And the bottom 25% of the players think they are in the top 25%... |
| 06:49.32 | seebs | So players think they should win, on average, about 68% of the time, give or take... |
| 06:49.43 | Ivnedar | I wouldn't mind winning 1/3 of the time really |
| 06:49.53 | Ivnedar | or at least having the idea that I may win any game |
| 06:49.53 | Thorarin | Argh, for some reason my Blog is being targeted by spammers a lot today :S |
| 06:49.55 | Ivnedar | even if I lose most |
| 06:50.03 | ZorbaBeta | the console Civilization game released a while back actually intentionally biased win percentages that way |
| 06:50.05 | Thorarin | About 1 new message per minute :( |
| 06:50.11 | ZorbaBeta | if you had a 70-75% chance of winning, it would show "50%" |
| 06:50.25 | ZorbaBeta | because when people see 50% victory rate, they expect around a 70-75% of actually coming out on top |
| 06:50.25 | seebs | Sneaky. |
| 06:50.52 | seebs | #!@!*# monkey planet |
| 06:51.36 | seebs | I sometimes really wish games came with a setting for "I am going to take things literally and am not offended by accurate data". |
| 06:51.58 | ZorbaBeta | also reminds me of Puzzle Quest, whose developers ended up coding the AI to cheat so they would stop being accused of writing an AI that cheated. |
| 06:52.15 | seebs | haha, yeah. |
| 06:52.15 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 06:52.25 | ZorbaBeta | (It anti-cheats - it uses information it shouldn't have access to in order to make intentionally bad moves.) |
| 06:53.08 | seebs | I had this idea that it would be interesting to do an AI where skill levels are controlled not by changing algorithms, but by randomly trashing results to yield invalid data. |
| 06:53.35 | seebs | e.g., if you're counting enemy ships, you add a 10% chance of randomly altering the number by +/- 20%. |
| 06:53.49 | seebs | And just leave the AI algorithms doing the same thing always, with data and computation of variable quality. |
| 06:54.39 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect it wouldn't work as well as you'd expect. A good strategic core can deal with surprising handicaps |
| 06:54.39 | seebs | Man. |
| 06:54.56 | seebs | My theory was, mostly: It would produce the same *class* of errors that human brains do. |
| 06:55.03 | ZorbaBeta | fundamentally, if you know they're attacking by sea, then it doesn't matter if you get the numebr of ships off by 20%, you're still going to react properly |
| 06:55.12 | ZorbaBeta | Hmm. Maybe. |
| 06:55.17 | seebs | Think about what a standard sorting algorithm does if you give it a comparator with a 5% failure rate. |
| 06:55.23 | ZorbaBeta | At least make it feel more human |
| 06:55.43 | seebs | It goes off into lala land and does badly insane things, like shoving an entire part of the array onto the wrong side of a pivot or something. |
| 06:56.16 | seebs | There was a sad-making post from Dead Simon about how frustrating it is being yelled at by players for being evil and moneygrubbing. |
| 06:56.22 | seebs | Which I pretty much totally believe. |
| 06:56.46 | seebs | Sucks, because I am pretty sure he is one of the people spending WAY too much time on attention to detail for things I think are fun. |
| 06:57.43 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's one annoying thing about being a gamedev - everyone wants great games with absolutely no budget :/ but so it goes |
| 06:58.20 | seebs | I don't mind everyone wanting everything, I just think the allegations that the devs are acting in bad faith are shitty. |
| 06:58.35 | seebs | Although if this is what makes Laeris leave, I would consider that a minor victory. |
| 07:02.14 | Ivnedar | It will be interesting to see how many chicken littles will still be around in a month |
| 07:02.26 | seebs | Huh! Hasn't happened in a long time, but I just got the thing where a mob's model doesn't load. |
| 07:02.52 | Ivnedar | happens to a few mobs in EE every time |
| 07:03.11 | Ivnedar | can tab target them, but not click target them, sometimes they load, usually invisible |
| 07:03.58 | seebs | Heh. We had a water invasion, and one of the invasion bosses isn't an objective. So it's still here, half an hour later. |
| 07:04.01 | seebs | It's about 1/3 down. |
| 07:04.10 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, are you running a 32-bit OS or a 64-bit OS? |
| 07:04.15 | Ivnedar | 64 |
| 07:04.21 | ZorbaBeta | well so much for that idea :V |
| 07:04.31 | Ivnedar | happens for 100% of our raid |
| 07:04.45 | ZorbaBeta | huh, the same mobs? or different mobs for everyone? |
| 07:04.49 | Ivnedar | same mobs |
| 07:04.55 | ZorbaBeta | well that's weird |
| 07:05.09 | seebs | There was a fire invasion boss that did it for me so consistently that I didn't realize he HAD a model for a month or so. |
| 07:05.10 | Ivnedar | trash between kain and matriarch |
| 07:05.19 | seebs | Paoheh or something. |
| 07:05.28 | Ivnedar | lol, we were shocked one week when the trash loaded after pulling |
| 07:05.37 | Ivnedar | I think they're meant to be stealthed or something until aggro'd |
| 07:05.41 | Ivnedar | usually they stay invisible |
| 07:06.12 | Ivnedar | if you can pull one and then reset it by kiting it through a wall then into the roof, it'll sometimes respawn visible |
| 07:09.18 | Ivnedar | sometimes they despawn completely instead if you do that, so either way, dealt with :P |
| 07:16.44 | Ivnedar | Kinda at a loss for what to do with this weekend now. Raid cleared in 1 night instead of the usual 3, mostly moved out of previous house (planned on spending the long weekend moving) |
| 07:17.37 | Cairenn | spend it cleaning the old place/unpacking at the new house |
| 07:17.52 | Ivnedar | new house is still being purchased, so mostly in storage |
| 07:18.01 | Ivnedar | but yeah, cleaning would be an idea I think :) |
| 07:27.09 | Ivnedar | rng sucks in speed runs :( |
| 07:27.40 | ZorbaBeta | yeah it does |
| 07:27.52 | ZorbaBeta | not one of my favorite parts of SMB speedrunning |
| 07:30.30 | seebs | I wrote a speedrun guide for the first area of TSW at one point. :) |
| 07:30.41 | seebs | It relied on using the "die instantly" command to teleport. |
| 07:30.52 | seebs | They missed a glorious opportunity naming that /reset instead of /wrists. |
| 07:34.37 | Ivnedar | oh man, I spent sooooo long trying to work out how to talk to the ghost in the police station near the start |
| 07:34.52 | seebs | ugh, yeah. |
| 07:35.08 | seebs | Worse, when I was doing that the first time, there were multiple bugs that prevented it from working. |
| 07:36.23 | seebs | Zorba, is it a bug that there's a very noticable (to me) lag between hitting / and the chat prompt showing up? |
| 07:36.53 | seebs | e.g., if I type /g without consciously pausing, about 80% of the time I get a guild window and a "/", because the g keybinding got processed before the chat window opened. |
| 07:37.05 | Ivnedar | weird |
| 07:37.27 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, yeah, but it's one I suspect won't be fixed for quite a while |
| 07:37.30 | seebs | It's really consistent, and I *think* the delay has gotten noticably longer than it used to be. |
| 07:37.32 | Ivnedar | that said, I've always hit enter to bring up chat prompt, then typed the / |
| 07:37.37 | ZorbaBeta | it's a one-frame delay, I believe |
| 07:37.41 | seebs | It used to be the only reason I was hitting it was a keyboard macro for /reloadui. |
| 07:37.51 | seebs | Ohh. |
| 07:38.09 | seebs | That would do it, I'm playing on a laptop on a high-res display a lot these days, which means 20ish fps instead of 30ish. |
| 07:38.38 | seebs | A one-frame delay would fit what I've seen pretty well. |
| 07:39.00 | seebs | btw, speaking of chat windows: |
| 07:39.23 | seebs | I would really like to be able to have some chat windows not have the space reserved for the entry box, and the entry box not show up in those windows even if they have recent mouse interactions. |
| 07:47.29 | Ivnedar | so close to the end, down to rng now |
| 07:55.23 | ZorbaBeta | I doubt he'll make it, these levels aren't short |
| 07:55.27 | ZorbaBeta | and he's got only two minutes to do it in |
| 07:55.37 | Ivnedar | lost too much time before getting that glitch |
| 07:55.53 | ZorbaBeta | yep. and a few other mistakes he ran into a bunch of times |
| 07:56.01 | ZorbaBeta | still, not like I could do even close to as well, so |
| 07:56.25 | Ivnedar | same :) my twitch gaming days are long past |
| 07:57.37 | Ivnedar | time over |
| 07:57.52 | Ivnedar | should be close though, so it's consistent :) |
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| 08:12.58 | Ivnedar | hi Wildtide :) |
| 08:15.16 | Wildtide | ello :) |
| 08:16.01 | Ivnedar | Just wanted to check something about Gadgets unit frames, they can't be clickthrougable when no unit exists that matches that spec because it wouldn't be able to change in combat? |
| 08:16.24 | Wildtide | yep. it's my most wanted API feature |
| 08:16.59 | Ivnedar | hence the convo before about maybe having the frame unsecure for that unit change event |
| 08:17.02 | Ivnedar | ok, cool |
| 08:17.03 | Wildtide | yes |
| 08:17.07 | Ivnedar | just checking that what I told a guildie was right :) |
| 08:17.19 | Wildtide | hehe, yep, you were exactly right |
| 08:17.51 | Wildtide | hey ZorbaBeta, thanks for the text effects. gonna have a play today |
| 08:18.24 | Wildtide | still suffering from being back in the UK after a week of hot sun, sea and jet skis in Turkey :( |
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| 08:22.37 | ZorbaBeta | wildtide, np, have fun :) |
| 08:23.00 | Noshei | wow, other people are up at this crazy hour |
| 08:23.35 | Thorarin | Crazy hour? You implying Europeans are crazy? :P |
| 08:23.52 | Noshei | yes |
| 08:23.59 | Thorarin | :< |
| 08:24.03 | Ivnedar | it's only 6:23pm! |
| 08:24.05 | Ivnedar | almost dinner time |
| 08:24.44 | Thorarin | Hmm, Rift over remote desktop again :( |
| 08:25.04 | Thorarin | Gonna be spending some time rearraging my UI tonight... |
| 08:25.28 | Wildtide | it's 09:25... not crazy at all ;) |
| 08:31.08 | Noshei | 2:30 am here, so it is crazy |
| 08:31.42 | Noshei | and it is 1:30 am where ZorbaBeta is at, so that is crazy as well, but I'm not surprised he is awake |
| 08:31.54 | ZorbaBeta | I have that wacky sleep disorder |
| 08:32.26 | Noshei | yeah I'm right there with ya on that one, just I have an 8-4 job |
| 08:32.40 | Noshei | so I kinda have to make it work |
| 08:34.00 | Noshei | wish I could just work when ever, but I have to work with so many other people it just would never work. |
| 08:34.18 | ZorbaBeta | in some ways I'm really lucky I love the game industry. I can do that here. |
| 08:34.40 | Noshei | oh Wildtide if you want to play with the glow effects I tossed together an addon to make it easy to play with |
| 08:35.27 | Noshei | yeah i certainly envy you there |
| 08:40.24 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: did you see my comment about bugging Elrar to make a RIFT Addon Dev title on the forums? |
| 08:41.57 | Wildtide | Noshei: already downloaded, just about to have a look :) |
| 08:42.05 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I can see what he says about that :) |
| 08:43.59 | Wildtide | i can see that having the same issues as an in game title unfortunately - at what point does someone earn the title? |
| 08:44.33 | Wildtide | it'd be nice though :D |
| 08:44.56 | Noshei | same way you ear the RIFT Guide Writer title, by posting something useful and asking for the title. |
| 08:45.12 | Wildtide | ah, fair enough |
| 08:49.22 | Wildtide | nice addon Nosh, you just saved me a load of time |
| 08:50.08 | Wildtide | and nice effects Mr. Z, should make unit frames a helluva lot prettier |
| 08:51.02 | ZorbaBeta | I'm hopin' so :) |
| 08:52.54 | Wildtide | strange, there's something odd going on with the colours... as i turn up the red, it goes red at low levels, then goes black |
| 08:53.28 | Noshei | which red? |
| 08:53.44 | Wildtide | i've got a green background, white text, and black glow |
| 08:54.05 | Wildtide | then as i turn up the glow red slider, it goes very red at first, then gets blacker as i turn it up higher |
| 08:55.06 | ZorbaBeta | now that I'm thinking of it, I bet it doesn't deal with r/g/b values above 1 |
| 08:55.29 | Wildtide | ah - are you missing a / 255 nosh? |
| 08:56.04 | Noshei | yeah |
| 08:56.20 | Wildtide | cool :) |
| 08:56.33 | Noshei | lines 259, 284 and 307 need a /255 on the end |
| 08:58.03 | Wildtide | thx |
| 08:58.15 | Wildtide | just admiring the Shaper Beast Mount. that's pretty cool |
| 08:58.29 | Noshei | gott put it all in () or it wont work still |
| 09:06.20 | *** join/#riftuidev Kekoas (~Kekoas@76-224-179-182.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:07.18 | Kekoas | rather than drunken drive through (as normal) |
| 09:08.03 | Kekoas | I wanted to say a thanks to the other devs of Rift addons for... well, just doing your thing. Would of been really lonely otherwise |
| 09:08.35 | Kekoas | props to Wild, im, and No... meh, we're fucking nuts :D |
| 09:09.20 | Kekoas | Ivnedar is just nuts for even attempting to work with KBM to create new encounters, it's a f'in mess :D |
| 09:09.21 | Noshei | thanks |
| 09:09.46 | Kekoas | you do a good thing for the community No :) |
| 09:10.15 | Noshei | who are you by the way? |
| 09:10.23 | Kekoas | KBM author |
| 09:10.37 | Noshei | oh you usually use a different name |
| 09:10.40 | Kekoas | snarty |
| 09:10.51 | Wildtide | ello Semele/Snarty/Kek :) |
| 09:11.21 | Kekoas | lol, I know right, kinda lost my identy over the many "ok, so I'll name myself" instances |
| 09:11.30 | Kekoas | Kek seems the less used |
| 09:11.31 | Kekoas | lol |
| 09:11.40 | Noshei | well heck you've done your fair share of work as well, kbm is pretty crazy huge |
| 09:12.08 | Kekoas | thanks matey, but you guys do equally as much |
| 09:12.10 | Kekoas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.46 | Kekoas | without Gadgets, and No's multi-all-things-filling-in-gadgets, we'd pretty much not have any addons |
| 09:13.51 | Kekoas | I'm not forgetting Thor taking over KAlert |
| 09:14.51 | Kekoas | btw, Thor, if you get to read this, change over from LibSRM to LibSUnit (far superior raid management) |
| 09:15.43 | Wildtide | aye, we're a pretty small bunch of nuts atm. hoping for a few more authors when it's free |
| 09:17.49 | Wildtide | Kek, are you all set for the new event model? i've still got a ton of stuff to do :( |
| 09:18.19 | Thorarin | Yeah, I've been looking at LibSUnit |
| 09:18.49 | Kekoas | Wild, yeah, hense all the Lib changes |
| 09:18.55 | Thorarin | Unfortunately been very busy, but I'll force myself to do an update to support more than 6 roles at least :P |
| 09:18.56 | Kekoas | couldn't just up their versions |
| 09:19.06 | Kekoas | and Thor, it's not a major change |
| 09:19.20 | Kekoas | latest KBM version has the release I'm pushing this week |
| 09:19.41 | Thorarin | Actually, I use so little functionality I might not need the library at all, then again might need it again later for new features :) |
| 09:20.15 | Thorarin | Will put it on the TODO |
| 09:20.22 | Kekoas | it's all good, I don't expect anyone would use em other than me tbh lol |
| 09:20.31 | Kekoas | the Buff lib is handy though |
| 09:20.33 | Kekoas | and solid |
| 09:20.42 | Kekoas | combines all ID's to 1 |
| 09:20.46 | Kekoas | rune, buffs etc |
| 09:21.21 | Kekoas | ie, a buff will only ever have 1 unique reference |
| 09:22.07 | Kekoas | that's what /kbmbuffs or whatever, lol, I can' |
| 09:22.36 | Kekoas | t remember, but something like that, is for. It'll poll a unit for all buffs and package them so it's unique |
| 09:22.53 | Thorarin | Hmm, not sure what you mean with combining |
| 09:23.12 | Kekoas | well, some buffs don't give a BTID |
| 09:23.14 | Kekoas | some do |
| 09:23.18 | Thorarin | I looked at using it some time ago, but perhaps I didn't quite understand it |
| 09:23.22 | Kekoas | some give a RTID |
| 09:24.06 | Kekoas | the source ID is sometimes a Rune otherwise an actual Buff, failing that its a name |
| 09:24.42 | Thorarin | Ah yes, unfortunately I do buffs by name mostly still... I once did a complete rewrite that changed it, but the buff database grew rather large :( |
| 09:24.57 | Kekoas | aww :( |
| 09:25.03 | Thorarin | With each rank having different IDs etc |
| 09:25.21 | Kekoas | yeah, I'll point you to the KBM rewrites, wall of China... pfft |
| 09:25.37 | Thorarin | So I wanted to change the format a bit to prevent that, just never got around to it :( |
| 09:25.50 | Kekoas | Well, they're there if you wanna use em :) |
| 09:26.02 | Thorarin | Cool :) |
| 09:26.11 | Kekoas | I'm implimenting the dreaded buff conditions in the next version |
| 09:26.37 | Kekoas | where the client discards buffs of the same type on a unit without letting the API know |
| 09:26.57 | Ivnedar | Kekoas: Oh, meant to mention, Sicaron stuff is hit and miss now, tried it in hk too and it behaves the same |
| 09:27.00 | Ivnedar | Haven't worked out why |
| 09:27.16 | Kekoas | wait what? |
| 09:27.18 | Kekoas | lol |
| 09:27.18 | Ivnedar | If you watch Nefarious' Regulos kill, they're running latest kbm and it only shows one of the contracts |
| 09:27.29 | Kekoas | oh |
| 09:27.37 | Ivnedar | some runs it'll work fine, usually it doesn't notice the notify |
| 09:27.47 | Kekoas | yeah, that's due to the horrid buff system |
| 09:27.52 | Ivnedar | I thought it was something I did on the Regulos encounter |
| 09:27.55 | Kekoas | I'm working on it :) |
| 09:28.01 | Ivnedar | then it behaved the same when we ran HK for lols the otehr day |
| 09:28.02 | Ivnedar | ok :D |
| 09:28.17 | Noshei | so just hit 215k plat, so just over that 32 bit number, just to clear that up. Even though we know plat is stored in a 64 bit number |
| 09:28.21 | Kekoas | wait, that shouldn't happen actually |
| 09:28.46 | Kekoas | I'll check the trigger allocation, it might be that |
| 09:29.26 | Kekoas | lol No, dude, you NEED to send me plat! |
| 09:29.27 | Kekoas | I kid |
| 09:29.39 | Noshei | it is just on the pts |
| 09:29.47 | Kekoas | awww |
| 09:29.54 | Noshei | where you can buy 10p for 1 silver |
| 09:30.03 | Kekoas | here I was hoping to roll up in TB in a Limo :( |
| 09:30.14 | Ivnedar | Noshei: sweet, now go for 900 billion |
| 09:30.19 | Ivnedar | or was it 90 trillion |
| 09:30.21 | Ivnedar | I can't remember now |
| 09:30.25 | Kekoas | lol |
| 09:30.50 | Noshei | 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 |
| 09:31.01 | Kekoas | Ive, can you link/email the vid? |
| 09:31.05 | Noshei | 2 past trillion |
| 09:31.36 | Ivnedar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7b0cAJq-Q |
| 09:31.43 | Ivnedar | It's cool to watch someone else using it :D |
| 09:31.45 | Kekoas | thanks matey |
| 09:31.54 | Noshei | 9 quintillion |
| 09:31.57 | Kekoas | br |
| 09:31.58 | Kekoas | b |
| 09:32.05 | Ivnedar | Noshei: that's silver though? |
| 09:32.07 | Thorarin | Dark Age of Camelot used a 32-bit int to store money :( |
| 09:32.13 | Noshei | yes |
| 09:32.15 | Ivnedar | wow does too |
| 09:32.25 | Thorarin | Some people managed to overflow it somehow, get into negative :) |
| 09:32.27 | ZorbaBeta | wow did, they don't anymore |
| 09:32.32 | Kekoas | lol Thor, really? |
| 09:32.38 | Kekoas | sorry... distracted |
| 09:32.45 | Ivnedar | ZorbaBeta: ahh, ok, I'd probably left when they fixed that |
| 09:32.59 | Ivnedar | When Rift beta came out, I quit wow |
| 09:33.01 | Ivnedar | so I blame you :P |
| 09:33.37 | Thorarin | Yep, got a few complaints back when I was "Ear & Eye" for DAoC Europe |
| 09:33.38 | Noshei | pretty sure ZorbaBeta wasn't at trion during beta, but i could be wrong |
| 09:33.52 | Thorarin | I had to split my money over 3 characters :< |
| 09:33.53 | ZorbaBeta | I actually joined shortly before open beta :) |
| 09:34.01 | Kekoas | you'all gonna hate me, I'm writing a new engine in Unity, only to help out Cities in motion 2, they have horrid GC :| |
| 09:34.16 | Thorarin | Never ran into it on WoW, but then again I mostly played vanilla |
| 09:34.32 | Ivnedar | The cool thing about that Nefarious Reg kill video is that it's their first ever kill, and they got perfect :P |
| 09:34.39 | Noshei | ah so you just stayed hidden until you had the initial addon release ready? |
| 09:34.42 | Ivnedar | And they're on my shard :) |
| 09:34.45 | Kekoas | I guess they didn't think the limit would be hit |
| 09:34.51 | ZorbaBeta | pretty much. most developers don't really talk in public |
| 09:35.05 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, in terms of active engineers, you've seen, what, two posting? maybe three? |
| 09:35.17 | Noshei | yeah not many |
| 09:35.26 | Ivnedar | can't blame them |
| 09:35.27 | Kekoas | why would a coder type in public? |
| 09:35.33 | Ivnedar | they're not hired for their social skills :D |
| 09:35.47 | Kekoas | < good example |
| 09:36.05 | ZorbaBeta | it's rare to have a situation where a coder wants to be a public figure, and rarer still to have a company that will let them, and even rarer for it to be sensible enough to actually go ahead and do it |
| 09:36.06 | Ivnedar | I wonder if any of the vocal forum trolls are actually trion employees, that'd be amusing :D |
| 09:36.10 | ZorbaBeta | I'm weird in that I like talking to people :P |
| 09:36.23 | Ivnedar | and that you put up with us :) |
| 09:36.39 | Thorarin | Critera for hiring programmers can be quite... odd :) |
| 09:36.49 | Thorarin | I thought this was pretty funny: http://dawood.in/if-carpenters-were-hired-like-programmers/ |
| 09:37.06 | Kekoas | I know where that comes from, I didn't expect 20k+ people to care what I did with a stupid addon, and here I am. I SUCK at public |
| 09:37.16 | ZorbaBeta | I've actually been planning to start livestreaming of my side indie game development |
| 09:37.19 | ZorbaBeta | we'll see how well that goes :V |
| 09:37.36 | Ivnedar | nooooo, I don't need more things to suck up my time :P |
| 09:37.39 | Kekoas | lol, Zorba, if you livestream, I'm there |
| 09:37.45 | Kekoas | for lols obviously |
| 09:38.00 | Kekoas | brb, new email account for trolling... |
| 09:38.09 | Kekoas | I kid :P |
| 09:38.12 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.twitch.tv/zorbathut favorite me and you'll get an email when I start ;) I'm hoping this weekend, but who knows what will happen. saturday's already booked, sadly :/ |
| 09:38.12 | Ivnedar | daglar should livestream his weekend engineering efforts! |
| 09:38.33 | ZorbaBeta | for hopefully obvious reasons I couldn't get away with this with a non-indie project, but hey, it's my code, I can show it off to the world if I want :D |
| 09:38.52 | Kekoas | hell yeah |
| 09:39.14 | Ivnedar | Kekoas: oh nice, I hadn't noticed you'd put sicaron hex monitoring in |
| 09:39.55 | Ivnedar | kinda amusing to watch the phase monitor showing molinat at 100% and shambler at 38% once they go out of range |
| 09:40.00 | Ivnedar | molinar even |
| 09:40.02 | Kekoas | aye, I need to update the joint Encounter |
| 09:40.49 | Kekoas | Zorba will contest to this - there's a radius to where unit data cuts off |
| 09:40.57 | Ivnedar | yeah, there is |
| 09:41.02 | Kekoas | attest |
| 09:41.04 | Kekoas | my bad |
| 09:41.22 | Ivnedar | shambler can see both platforms, side platforms can only see their side and middle |
| 09:41.23 | ZorbaBeta | "radius" is a bit of an oversimplification, but yes, there are definitely many cases where you can lose data access to something :) |
| 09:42.07 | Kekoas | I only said radius because in laymans terms it cuts off after X distance in a raid encounter |
| 09:42.31 | Ivnedar | Kekoas: were you planningo n sharing phase state data in the raid or something? |
| 09:42.36 | Kekoas | to me, but I don't know the engine, so I have no idea whats going on :D |
| 09:43.20 | Kekoas | naa, I don't wanna kill the servers with things I think should be in |
| 09:43.25 | Noshei | Thorarin: that is great, I have that same feeling in IT |
| 09:43.25 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 09:43.28 | Kekoas | I'll just work with what we have |
| 09:44.26 | Kekoas | I "could" for instance push death data, and combat data along a channel. But, jeez, I wouldn't do that because it aint worth the bandwidth |
| 09:44.35 | Thorarin | Hmm, if you somehow limit the amount of data so you don't have 20 people spamming status all the time, it shouldn't be too bad? |
| 09:44.58 | Ivnedar | yeah, it'd be hard to work out what to pusjh |
| 09:45.05 | ZorbaBeta | kekoas, keep the bandwidth low and it's not a problem at all. visibility thresholds exist for many more reasons than just updating health once a second or whatever |
| 09:45.13 | Kekoas | yeah, it's queued anyhow, but the server processor time isn't worth it either |
| 09:45.48 | Ivnedar | It'd only be needed on particular fights where it's spread out |
| 09:45.57 | Noshei | server processing time is cheap |
| 09:45.59 | Thorarin | Raid lag is pretty bad atm anyway, can't get much worse :S |
| 09:46.08 | Kekoas | Zorba, yeah. I'm not going there, whatever the reason you guys don't give that data I'll work around in a less obtrusive manner. |
| 09:46.48 | ZorbaBeta | I wouldn't say it's cheap exactly, but out of all the expensive things that could happen, tossing around a few bytes via the addon system is pretty inconsequential |
| 09:46.52 | Kekoas | Put it this way, I hate even KBM's update notifications, and thats pretty strict |
| 09:47.12 | ZorbaBeta | but hey, your addon, your design :) as long as you're thinking about these things I'm totally okay with it |
| 09:47.41 | Ivnedar | I'm only thinking about it because I look at it ever week and it bugs me that it's 'unfinished' :P |
| 09:48.07 | Kekoas | I'm not going to push Death events further than than API, I'm not even going to relay 1% fluctuations on out-of-range units |
| 09:48.14 | Ivnedar | some fights I'm just giving up on though |
| 09:48.14 | Kekoas | it can be done, I wont do it |
| 09:48.43 | Ivnedar | Goloch/Regulos are really screwy since they fixed the druid tanking thing |
| 09:48.52 | Ivnedar | so I blame druids and move on :D |
| 09:49.05 | Kekoas | I first encountered it with Inwar :) |
| 09:49.17 | Ivnedar | if GA comes back to the PTS, I can test my encounters |
| 09:49.20 | Kekoas | and, even back then, I could of dealt with it |
| 09:49.23 | Ivnedar | They fixed Inward didn't they? |
| 09:49.28 | Ivnedar | Inwar even |
| 09:49.42 | Ivnedar | so you could see both tide wardens from the whole area |
| 09:49.51 | Kekoas | they extended the range of mobs, but you had to still stand in the right place |
| 09:49.56 | Kekoas | wasn't global |
| 09:50.00 | Wildtide | right, ZorbaBeta, i'm following you on Twitch... i really hope the live stream is just you sitting there typing, and occasionally sipping some coffee :D |
| 09:50.00 | Ivnedar | I used to use addwatch for it |
| 09:50.35 | Ivnedar | standing against the wall on one tide warden I could happily see the other tide warden to call out hp% differences |
| 09:51.00 | Kekoas | From what I gathered as a coder |
| 09:51.11 | Kekoas | they increased the radius of the Foci only |
| 09:51.18 | Ivnedar | ah, that could be it |
| 09:51.19 | Kekoas | as an event mob |
| 09:51.19 | ZorbaBeta | wildtide, last time I did it, I set up my screen as the main display, with a little inset of myself |
| 09:51.23 | Kekoas | the rest stayed as is |
| 09:51.27 | ZorbaBeta | so you get to read code if you have very good eyesight :V |
| 09:51.51 | Ivnedar | is the radius attribute its hitbox or data range or something? |
| 09:51.59 | Ivnedar | I thought it was hitbox |
| 09:52.00 | Ivnedar | looks |
| 09:52.05 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, hitbox |
| 09:52.19 | Ivnedar | thanks :) |
| 09:52.20 | Kekoas | larger hitbox for the foci on Inwar then :) |
| 09:52.31 | ZorbaBeta | if this is successful I'll also probably get a second camera to point at the cat bed because everyone likes cats |
| 09:52.34 | Ivnedar | not sure how accurate it is |
| 09:52.46 | Ivnedar | matriarch has a radius of 0.5 |
| 09:52.47 | Wildtide | lol |
| 09:52.54 | Ivnedar | but a hitbox of 15m or something |
| 09:53.08 | Kekoas | Zorba, do you have my email? |
| 09:53.23 | ZorbaBeta | kekoas, not offhand, why? |
| 09:53.23 | Ivnedar | unless radius is model size + hitbox extra bit |
| 09:53.47 | Kekoas | don't care about Rift stuff, but I'm writing something penned as Little City, I'd be interested in following what you're doing to :) |
| 09:54.28 | Kekoas | and yes, I'm directly, single handledly going to prove that Scripter != Coder |
| 09:54.30 | ZorbaBeta | I'm writing a game called Orthos, and hoping it ends up working out. Along with a GUI library because it seems like my life is filled with GUI libraries :V |
| 09:54.35 | Ivnedar | hrrm, nope, Matriarch's radius is 20, ignore me |
| 09:55.05 | Ivnedar | far out I have a lot of 'useful' info in these logs :P |
| 09:55.19 | Kekoas | Just wanted to follow you on the interwebs, but in all honestly, we'll probably cross paths again |
| 09:55.37 | Kekoas | I promise to stick to an alias |
| 09:55.58 | ZorbaBeta | that'll make it easier ;) |
| 09:56.06 | Kekoas | lol |
| 09:56.19 | Ivnedar | just have to decide which alias ;) |
| 09:56.31 | Ivnedar | I keep calling you Safe despite the alias |
| 09:56.41 | Ivnedar | wife knows who I mean, others get confused |
| 09:56.55 | Kekoas | after someone stole my original one about 20 years back, I sulked ever since. :| |
| 09:57.03 | Ivnedar | otherwise I use "kbm guy" |
| 09:57.08 | Kekoas | lol |
| 09:57.10 | Ivnedar | everyone knows who I mean then :) |
| 09:57.35 | Kekoas | story behind Safe |
| 09:57.41 | Kekoas | I pressed Random Name |
| 09:57.47 | Kekoas | pre-release |
| 09:57.51 | Kekoas | that's it |
| 09:58.08 | Ivnedar | How do you think I ended up with Ivnedar? :) |
| 09:58.16 | Kekoas | it came up with Safe, I was like "kinda cool!" |
| 09:58.33 | Kekoas | I have no idea, I hate trying to pronounce it |
| 09:58.47 | Ivnedar | I wasn't going to play Rift, pointed it out to my wife, she started playing, I tried it out, picked a "crappy name that would get annoying in no time" from random name generator |
| 09:59.30 | Kekoas | lol |
| 09:59.37 | Kekoas | so almost the same |
| 09:59.42 | Ivnedar | Figured that if I'd put any thought into picking a name, I'd get attached to the game and wouldn't have time for wow anymore |
| 10:00.16 | Kekoas | I can't use Snarty anymore, it's taken more times than not, and it's my real, soccer nick in IRL!! nick |
| 10:00.40 | Kekoas | yes, I know, double "in" |
| 10:01.44 | Kekoas | < surname Snart... I own that nick, like the other handful of Snarts out there... I'm watching you! |
| 10:02.20 | Kekoas | I came to the conclusion I don't need to be known |
| 10:02.26 | Kekoas | so, random name it was |
| 10:04.16 | Kekoas | I think when the prototype of Little City is finished, I'll be called "." |
| 10:05.42 | Kekoas | I just wish I wasn't so attached to a random Lua project though. It's my baby, and I didn't even know this language |
| 10:07.49 | ZorbaBeta | that's how I got into Lua :V |
| 10:08.36 | Kekoas | it's the named tables that got me, oh my god, so much time saved. :) |
| 10:10.00 | Kekoas | I went back to C++, I was like, ok, so I want a quick ref, like Lua I'm using now. Yeah, I missed it. |
| 10:11.15 | Kekoas | PS. I wasn't interested until Jit |
| 10:13.14 | ZorbaBeta | yeah luajit is really good |
| 10:14.49 | Kekoas | At least they have GC in order, unlike others I can mention that begin with a U and end with a y |
| 10:16.05 | Kekoas | sorry, I'll not get angry at C#, but... omg.. why! |
| 10:16.11 | Kekoas | and done |
| 10:16.28 | ZorbaBeta | he's actually got some really fantastic ideas for his next-gen GC. you can find documentation on it on the luajit website, I believe |
| 10:16.57 | Kekoas | wait, the guy behind Lua is gonna improve his GV? |
| 10:17.08 | Kekoas | GC* |
| 10:17.27 | Kekoas | it's already a step ahead of most mid range engines |
| 10:18.02 | Kekoas | I hope he's going a static counter route *preys |
| 10:18.16 | ZorbaBeta | yeah he's basically a madman |
| 10:18.21 | ZorbaBeta | http://wiki.luajit.org/New-Garbage-Collector |
| 10:18.27 | Kekoas | thx |
| 10:19.04 | Kekoas | hmm, time I passed some of these donations on I thin |
| 10:19.22 | Kekoas | how easy to forget it's another coder doing it |
| 10:21.11 | Kekoas | omfg! someone with the balls to go back to ASM! |
| 10:21.16 | ZorbaBeta | if you're thinking about to the luajit guy, he actually doesn't take donations :V |
| 10:21.33 | Kekoas | aww man |
| 10:21.55 | Kekoas | yeah, I can see that, the whole donation thing is new to me |
| 10:22.41 | Kekoas | it's nice to see at least one mainstream coder going back to their roots though |
| 10:23.18 | Kekoas | I like it's on a thread level |
| 10:23.20 | Kekoas | omg |
| 10:24.19 | Kekoas | Uni students wont get this :P |
| 10:24.32 | Kekoas | this is old school ASM/Machine Code |
| 10:24.33 | ZorbaBeta | yeah it's pretty deep stuff. he knows what he's doing |
| 10:25.35 | Kekoas | well, sucks he don't except donations, but yeah, holy shit. IF he can pull back the ASM/MC link, I'll be a happy camper |
| 10:26.59 | Kekoas | As, you undoubtely don't know me. I'm used to poking various chips on the Spectrum, Amiga, C64 and variants of |
| 10:27.04 | Kekoas | so this make me happy |
| 10:27.05 | ZorbaBeta | honestly it shouldn't be a surprise that the luajit developer does asm. I mean, luajit actually generates dynamic machine code on the fly |
| 10:27.14 | Kekoas | I've never like the M$ layer of shit |
| 10:27.16 | ZorbaBeta | with build targets for several different CPUs, now |
| 10:28.15 | Kekoas | big boys aint gonna like it |
| 10:29.33 | Kekoas | I LOVE that GC phylosiphy though |
| 10:29.37 | ZorbaBeta | and I'm off to bed |
| 10:29.40 | ZorbaBeta | cya all |
| 10:29.45 | Kekoas | night man |
| 10:29.48 | Ivnedar | nite :) |
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| 15:14.14 | Thorarin | 0.o the .NET GC isn't so bad nowadays, there are a few you can choose from actually |
| 15:39.03 | Thorarin | But yeah, some interesting ideas on GC algorithms :) |
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| 19:17.54 | Imhothar | mhmm does the PTS client also use the My Doduments folder for interface stuff? |
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| 19:22.18 | Noshei | I want to say yes |
| 19:22.34 | Noshei | unless you put an interface folder in your pts directory |
| 19:22.37 | Imhothar | But that is ugly... |
| 19:22.53 | Imhothar | well the live client works the other way rounf |
| 19:25.37 | Noshei | no |
| 19:25.56 | Noshei | it always checks the install directory first and then checks my documents |
| 19:25.59 | Imhothar | then at least it used to |
| 19:26.23 | Noshei | at least im pretty sure that is how ZorbaBeta set it up |
| 19:28.50 | Imhothar | hmm I missed too many patches |
| 19:33.34 | Imhothar | well, looks like he didn't. at least not on live |
| 19:43.30 | seebs | It does use the Documents folder, but I believe PTS and Live now use different subdirectories of it. |
| 19:43.47 | seebs | For a while both used Documents/RIFT, now I think PTS uses Documents/RIFT PTS. |
| 19:48.58 | Imhothar | indeed |
| 20:07.49 | seebs | Someone posted asking about faction-linked quest item drops, which you try to use and get "required condition not met". |
| 20:08.01 | seebs | Someone made fun of him for complaining because why would Trion ever care. |
| 20:08.17 | seebs | Tacitus said he's just been doing a cleanup pass and those items should no longer be dropping for Defiant players now. :) |