| 00:00.06 | Noshei | nice |
| 00:00.18 | Noshei | that means I may go back and do all of them now |
| 00:00.21 | Ivnedar | old ones I found that I was killing 15+ of the carnage mobs while questing |
| 00:00.32 | Ivnedar | now I'm killing 15-20 of the carnage mobs, but carnage ends at 8 |
| 00:00.49 | Ivnedar | I don't tend to avoid mobs between quest objectives, plow on through |
| 00:02.04 | Ivnedar | But not really complaining, works for more people's playstyles now :) |
| 00:03.19 | Ivnedar | the new macro editor help is nice |
| 00:03.44 | Ivnedar | http://i.imgur.com/8SxQdrG.jpg |
| 00:03.47 | Ivnedar | if you haven't see it |
| 00:03.54 | Ivnedar | we finally get to see all the slash commands and what they do :D |
| 00:04.07 | Noshei | lol |
| 00:04.15 | Noshei | that has been there since launch |
| 00:04.20 | Ivnedar | really? |
| 00:04.24 | Noshei | yup |
| 00:04.26 | Ivnedar | interesting |
| 00:04.52 | Ivnedar | so many people have complained about there being no way to work out slash commands, or what they do, never had an answer |
| 00:05.15 | Noshei | any time i see people asking i send them to that screen |
| 00:09.54 | Ivnedar | hrrm, cool, summon guild banker is a nice addition |
| 01:03.07 | seebs | Oooh. That's new! |
| 01:03.20 | Noshei | yeah |
| 01:03.24 | Noshei | patron perk |
| 01:03.27 | seebs | I was told in general the reduction in carnages was supposed to be about 20-25%. |
| 01:03.35 | seebs | I meant the "macro editor help". :) |
| 01:03.45 | seebs | Huh. Hey, have they added credits to PTS yet? |
| 01:03.55 | seebs | I really want to find out whether extra profession slots are account-wide. |
| 01:04.09 | Ivnedar | they weren't available for purchase yet as of 12 hours ago |
| 01:04.22 | seebs | So, apparently, partially-completed carnages autocomplete. |
| 01:04.25 | Ivnedar | I assume they want it all bedded down before opening up pts for real money |
| 01:04.26 | seebs | This leaves me with a question: |
| 01:04.44 | seebs | If you had 6 carnage quests all-but done before the update, would you lose a quest? |
| 01:04.52 | Ivnedar | nope |
| 01:05.16 | Ivnedar | if you had 5 diamonds stored up though, you'd lose one of them |
| 01:05.30 | Ivnedar | as the carnage would push one off, complete |
| 01:05.43 | seebs | Diamonds stored up? |
| 01:05.45 | Ivnedar | at least that's how it's happened in the past |
| 01:06.03 | seebs | Oh, is there some regular quest that produces diamonds of some sort as a reward? |
| 01:06.05 | Ivnedar | people store up completed daily dungeon diamonds |
| 01:06.13 | seebs | Ahh, makes sense. |
| 01:06.25 | Ivnedar | if the reward changes after patch, they get 5 days of turnins straight up |
| 01:06.43 | seebs | I suppose it doesn't matter hugely, but the 5-reward limit, while reasonable for many purposes, interacts poorly with a change in quest goals for quests you could have partially done. |
| 01:06.45 | Ivnedar | but, if you have auto completing quests like carnages, they push one of them off the stack |
| 01:07.07 | seebs | Ahh, Morgana answers: |
| 01:07.10 | Ivnedar | same's happened in the past with world event quests |
| 01:07.15 | seebs | > This limit is now 10! It warns at 8. (Instead of the previous 5 and 3.) If you go over? Unfortunately, you would lose the rewards-- but Customer Support would be able to verify your losses and grant you the missing rewards. |
| 01:07.25 | Ivnedar | wow, interesting |
| 01:07.36 | Ivnedar | that's just opening up more for abuse :P |
| 01:08.29 | Ivnedar | the customer support bit |
| 01:08.31 | Ivnedar | not the 10 limit |
| 01:09.26 | seebs | I don't think so, just 'cuz, well. "verify". They do have logs. I imagine most people don't try *very* often to scam support. |
| 01:11.11 | Ivnedar | I guess it depends on whether or not stacking diamonds across patch boundaries is a form of exploit |
| 01:11.28 | Ivnedar | probably a minor one that's not really repeatable, so is ignored |
| 01:13.13 | seebs | I continue my tireless crusade to assert that, while it's fine for race change to be a for-credits thing, gender change ought to be purchasable with in-game currency. On the grounds that that is how Outside does it, and that is the most successful MMO ever, with roughly 7 billion active players. |
| 01:13.27 | Ivnedar | lol |
| 01:13.42 | Ivnedar | race changes can be purchased for in-game currency in Outside too |
| 01:13.52 | Ivnedar | cosmetic surgery can do wonders! |
| 02:12.23 | Ivnedar | and since you can buy rex with in game currency, you can technically buy a race change without forking over cash :D |
| 02:14.24 | Ivnedar | I do find it amusing/cool how daglar sounds like he's making off the cuff decisions on things on the forums |
| 02:14.31 | Ivnedar | like the 4 then 9 role slots |
| 02:14.55 | Ivnedar | There's probably more going on behind the scenes, just the way he says it is amusing to me :) |
| 02:17.39 | Ivnedar | instead of "we've decided to increase profession slots to 4" it's "I came in last night and changed it to 4, there ya go" then the next day "ok, 9 then" |
| 02:20.47 | seebs | Well, I assume the plan to add a way to increase profession slots was preexisting. The decision to bump it, harder to tell. |
| 02:21.33 | Ivnedar | It's also assuming that other people behind the scenes know it's happened |
| 02:21.37 | Ivnedar | from the sounds of it, they don't |
| 02:21.43 | Ivnedar | ZorbaBeta seems surprised by most of them |
| 02:23.06 | seebs | Well, Zorba's probably busy enough to not be checking on all the stuff in other fields. That happens a lot near a release, I find; I can be totally unaware of what kernel version we're shipping even though I'm totally clear on the state of the toolchain. |
| 02:23.35 | seebs | Oh, noes! I appear to have offended someone by suggesting that maybe RMT companies are not as pure as the driven snow. |
| 02:24.12 | seebs | Apparently, he finds it highly offensive to suggest that RMT companies might lower themselves to account compromises, because he firmly believes that no one in business would ever do something shady, because that would be bad for business. |
| 02:25.14 | Ivnedar | woo, lunch time! |
| 02:25.15 | Ivnedar | bbs |
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| 02:41.09 | seebs_ | Drat, the profession unlocks are per-character. I may actually not get those, just because 1200 credits per character adds up quickly. |
| 02:53.48 | Ivnedar | yeah, it makes them ok to me |
| 02:54.05 | Ivnedar | you'll have one group of people buying rc on every toon they raid on |
| 02:54.18 | Ivnedar | another group who don't have any alts may buy every slot |
| 02:54.35 | Ivnedar | people who have all professions maxed out across 3-4 alts not buying any, or maybe a few gathering |
| 02:54.49 | Ivnedar | more flexibility, and the cost means it won't be everyone buying every slot |
| 02:58.11 | seebs_ | Hmm, that's a point. |
| 02:58.37 | seebs | It's actually sort of arguably *good* if they are too expensive to just grab them all, or immediately buy them on an alt you're not sure about running. |
| 03:00.38 | Ivnedar | yeah, people only buy the ones they really want on the toons they want them on |
| 03:00.54 | Ivnedar | makes it a bit harder if someone wants to "switch mains" |
| 03:00.59 | Ivnedar | but they have to redo a lot of work anyway |
| 03:04.05 | seebs | Yeah. And in practice, my profession mix is mostly based on a plan such that: (1) each character has at least one gathering and one crafting profession (2) out of my original 4 per faction (one per calling), I have one of every craft and two of every gather. |
| 03:04.27 | seebs | Which means I'd want one more gathering profession on two of them, and two more on the other two, to have all gathering everywhere, for instance. |
| 03:04.47 | Ivnedar | I've currently got one toon, never been a fan of alts, I have 2 gathering and 1 crafting |
| 03:05.05 | Ivnedar | I'll likely buy most if not all of them, so I have a better excuse for not using alts :D |
| 03:05.14 | Ivnedar | but that's only one toon I need to buy them for |
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| 06:16.47 | seebs | Huh, that's odd. |
| 06:16.57 | seebs | My 52 rogue can do one of the very early quests now. |
| 06:17.06 | seebs | I am about 80% sure she did it when she first got to Freemarch. |
| 06:18.56 | Ivnedar | probably changed quest id due to some streamlining thing and wasn't flagged as excludes other quest |
| 07:31.40 | Ivnedar | oh wow, I've just been shown the hands free whopper |
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| 11:37.21 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, seebs is right - it's a big company, there's a lot going on, there are many things that simply never have to hit engineers (like profession slot limits, which I'm guessing was maybe a day of work for one engineer at most), and most things simply don't cross my desk |
| 11:38.05 | ZorbaBeta | for example I still don't actually know what dendrome is :V it's a zone, I think? I hear it's pretty. but "new zone" is simply not a thing I ever have to deal with, because all of my code that deals with zones is perfectly happy to deal with an arbitrary number of zones as long as the datafiles are set up properly |
| 11:39.54 | Ivnedar | new zone |
| 11:40.05 | ZorbaBeta | sweet! new content is always good :D |
| 11:40.09 | Ivnedar | jungle/desert hybrid, architect based zone |
| 11:40.14 | Ivnedar | massive hive up top |
| 11:40.24 | Ivnedar | bigger than Ember Isle |
| 11:40.32 | ZorbaBeta | oh I think I might've seen one of the artists working on the hive |
| 11:41.13 | ZorbaBeta | in fact I bet that bug I dealt with was related to the hive. well, in that case, cool, it looks great ^^ |
| 11:41.17 | Ivnedar | I was more thinking that what may take one engineer a few minutes to implement, has ramifications on other areas they may not consider, and if those areas don't know about the changes, it hits live and gets noticed then |
| 11:41.23 | Ivnedar | It does :D |
| 11:41.33 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, yeah, that sort of thing can happen. luckily our QA team is really really good |
| 11:41.39 | Ivnedar | awesome :D |
| 11:41.52 | Ivnedar | amusingly, the same rare is currently up 3 times in Dendrome :D |
| 11:42.07 | Ivnedar | each one is ~5m from each other |
| 11:42.10 | Ivnedar | quite amusing to see |
| 11:42.12 | ZorbaBeta | hah |
| 11:42.21 | ZorbaBeta | someone screwed up their spawner parameters, methinks |
| 11:43.20 | ZorbaBeta | fun QA story from a previous company: after code freeze, about two weeks away from the gold master, we get a report from QA that one of the game abilities - which has been "finished" for *months* - does no damage |
| 11:43.59 | ZorbaBeta | it turns out that the lead QA person had tried the ability when it was implemented and determined that it "sucked". Which it did, because it was buggy, and did no damage. And instead of reporting it, he'd simply told the other QA people not to bother with it because it wasn't any fun. |
| 11:44.10 | Ivnedar | lol, oops :D |
| 11:44.14 | ZorbaBeta | the only reason we found out about it is because a new guy showed up on the team and he tried the ability out before the lead QA person got to him. |
| 11:44.35 | ZorbaBeta | that was an *awful* team :P The Rift QA team, though, is fantastic :) |
| 11:46.16 | Ivnedar | Oh dear, my wife is trying to buy credits on the rift store several times a day now on pts |
| 11:46.20 | Ivnedar | rather keen :P |
| 11:46.31 | ZorbaBeta | with luck we'll have it up and running soon :) |
| 11:46.54 | Ivnedar | Daglar made a comment a while ago that any real money spent on pts would be added to live account 5x |
| 11:47.00 | Ivnedar | so she's more than happy to pay :P |
| 11:47.08 | ZorbaBeta | hah :D |
| 11:48.01 | Ivnedar | Far out, loyalty credits plus $500 worth of credits at launch, crazy |
| 11:50.38 | Ivnedar | Ooh, do Trion staff get staff discounts on credits? ;) |
| 11:50.57 | ZorbaBeta | no, but I've heard we are planned to get a monthly fund of credits |
| 11:51.02 | ZorbaBeta | more than that, I think we need to pay full price :V |
| 11:52.53 | Ivnedar | Hrrm, I wonder if I can run a russian or korean rift client against the US servers |
| 11:53.30 | ZorbaBeta | I doubt it, the version numbers will probably be different. and korean rift clients have a wacky login system |
| 11:53.33 | Ivnedar | switching languages to do my own translations :D |
| 11:54.00 | Ivnedar | hrrm, fair enough |
| 11:55.41 | Ivnedar | Is there a pts for eu? |
| 11:56.49 | ZorbaBeta | I'm honestly not sure |
| 11:57.08 | Ivnedar | others in here may know, can't see any mention of one |
| 12:42.13 | Ivnedar | ok, I'm lazy, no UI for carnage book, but if it finds a chat window called "Carnage Book" it will dump its output there instead of into General :P |
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| 16:09.30 | seebs | I've heard very disparate reports on what if any the bonus is from PTS purchases of credits. |
| 16:10.04 | seebs | I think Daglar said any bonus was TBD, but that it wasn't a bonus for purchase, it was a bonus from credits purchased-and-spent, which would be refunded. |
| 16:10.29 | seebs | So, if you buy $10 worth of credits on PTS, and spend $5 worth of credits, when 2.3 launches you get back some multiple of those $5 worth of credits. |
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| 16:51.06 | Ivnedar | huzzah, 37/37 carnages, time to sleep finally! |
| 17:03.41 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:08.56 | seebs | Grats! |
| 20:09.19 | seebs | http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/general-discussion/360708-rex-platinum-sold-players-its-all-neverwinter-again-what-shame.html <-- boring thread until the guy who buys gold shows up and starts insulting people for not understanding how the world works. |
| 20:41.42 | Imhothar | meh I couldn't care less about this f2p thing |
| 21:16.22 | Solsis00 | So when the event api changes happen in 2.4 is it changing the table.event setup? or just the attach event object/function event stuff? |
| 21:17.41 | Solsis00 | sorry if that isn't real descriptive. Just saw a post a couple days ago when I was browsing the forums. |
| 21:29.29 | seebs | I believe both. |
| 21:29.46 | seebs | Basically, we should stop using any event code which worked prior to 2.2, and replace it with new code. :) |
| 21:30.07 | Solsis00 | :( |
| 21:30.31 | Solsis00 | Is there a post or some piece of info so I can start fixing it? |
| 21:30.55 | seebs | Yeah. I asked about this recently, someone linked me to a wildtide (aka DoomSprout on the forums) thread with some details. |
| 21:31.12 | Solsis00 | I <3 wildtide |
| 21:31.15 | Solsis00 | he's so helpful |
| 21:37.24 | Solsis00 | Do you happen to have the link to that info seebs? or do I need to go diggin? |
| 21:37.56 | seebs | http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/addon-api-development/359275-updating-new-event-model.html |
| 21:42.07 | Solsis00 | sweet thanks |
| 21:42.57 | Solsis00 | This is helpful.. I still want to go a step further (since I'm still learning so much), and find the information that got him to do this. |
| 21:43.20 | Solsis00 | It's great he's showing how he's updating/adjusting his addon for the changes. But I want to understand what/why. |
| 21:43.54 | Solsis00 | Makes things better and I can better code my addon if I better understand whatsup |
| 21:44.09 | Solsis00 | But thanks for the link. I'll do some more digging around from there |
| 21:44.39 | Solsis00 | and if I'm correct the API functions we need are already live. So we can actually start making this switch now yes? |
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| 21:53.14 | Baanano | yes solsis, they've been live for a few months |
| 21:53.59 | Noshei | wow, so I just tried out /script os.date("%") |
| 21:54.11 | Noshei | and it is basically the same as hitting Alt+F4 |
| 21:54.16 | Solsis00 | I figured they had based on the posts I have found and since I used some of the "new" methods for attaching events in recent change |
| 21:54.33 | Solsis00 | lol... :( @Noshei |
| 21:58.45 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: So I just saw on the live stream that when you send someone a gift it sends it to them via the mail box. So I just want to make sure that there is a way to distinguish these from other mail messages. Currently the API doesn't have a specific way to distinguish between different types of messages. |
| 22:04.40 | seebs | Noshei: Not quite. alt+f4 actually pops the logout window. :) |
| 22:05.01 | Noshei | ah s its even better than Alt+F4 |
| 22:07.35 | seebs | http://forums.riftgame.com/public-test-shard/360871-free-play-store-test-earn-up-double-your-credits.html#post4267919 |
| 22:09.48 | Noshei | already saw it |
| 22:10.43 | Noshei | I am never going to stop asking where my crucia mount is |
| 22:10.44 | seebs | Of course, I have no clue at all either how many credits I get for sub time (past or future), or how many I'm likely to want. |
| 22:11.15 | Noshei | I'll probably buy $50-100 worth or so. |
| 22:11.26 | Noshei | at least to start out |
| 22:47.01 | Solsis00 | I know how to do a reloadui in an event if you click a button. Is there a way to do a reloadui from a slash command? |
| 22:49.21 | seebs | Well, /reloadui :) |
| 22:49.24 | Noshei | \reloadui |
| 22:49.30 | Noshei | other slash |
| 22:49.39 | seebs | The annoying thing being, for me at least, that there's a very large delay between hitting slash and getting a prompt. |
| 22:49.54 | seebs | So if I try to /r, and I am not carefully slow, I usually start running and then get a slash prompt. |
| 22:50.05 | seebs | Similarly, /g normally opens the guild window. |
| 22:53.17 | Solsis00 | right.. so I wanted to shorten it. Make it like /rl from the addon without forcing the user to setup an alias |
| 22:53.37 | Solsis00 | wait... omg.. one sec.. gonna look at something |
| 22:55.59 | Solsis00 | bummer.. I was going to say I wonder if I could set it for them.. but I could see how that would be problematic. And I don't see a way to do it either. |
| 22:56.03 | Solsis00 | Rightfully so I suppose |
| 22:58.04 | seebs | Should be able to. |
| 22:58.08 | seebs | I think. Hmm. |
| 22:58.14 | seebs | Well, you can make a slash command, anyway. |
| 23:02.05 | Solsis00 | right.. making the slash command is the easy part.. I don't know how to actually execute a /reloadui though without them clicking a button or something |
| 23:02.41 | Imhothar | there's a reloadui addon on riftui that shows a little frame for reloading |
| 23:07.34 | Solsis00 | It's not a big deal. It was more of a convenience thing. Was just going to make /reloadui act as /rl via a slash command without having to setup an alias |
| 23:20.49 | Imhothar | and I*m telling you there's already an addon just for convenience ;) |
| 23:21.15 | Solsis00 | that would need a frame on my screen that I don't desire to have |
| 23:21.19 | Imhothar | all it das is make a movable reloadui button |
| 23:21.56 | Solsis00 | would be just as easy to make a /reloadui macro and put it on my bars |
| 23:24.25 | Solsis00 | It's not a big deal. I appreciate the response. Thanks |
