| 00:07.40 | Noshei | wow, im readying this last bit on conversation and just completely lost. Way outside my realm of knowledge |
| 00:08.42 | Noshei | understanding how each little thing in processed and rendered is so completely different from understanding the large picture of computer systems |
| 00:10.31 | ZorbaGama | yeah, rendering is about as close as it gets to assembly right now . . . except instead of running assembly on a known system, it's running assembly on a family of a hundred barely-known systems, guarded by NDAs and trade secrets, each of which tries to optimize your code in wacky and undefined ways that you will never fully understand |
| 00:10.53 | Noshei | but I'm also a server guy, so understanding the big picture and how multiple systems interact is far more familiar to me |
| 00:11.44 | Noshei | yeah that could be a bit of a pain in the ass |
| 00:20.53 | Noshei | now, ZorbaGama, if you were talking about server optimization I could probably be knowledgable on that |
| 00:21.27 | Noshei | like how I really hope trion isn't still using HP hardware |
| 00:22.38 | ZorbaGama | I actually have no idea what hardware we're using, but I suspect it's the same hardware we've been using before - no good reason to buy more |
| 00:22.56 | seebs | There were nominally upgrades on a few occasions. It's really hard to get accurate pictures. |
| 00:23.24 | seebs | I am pretty sure that server population caps were about 1800 on the launch hardware once people spread out, and about 2000 after the June 2010 hardware upgrades, but I don't know what the ensuing changes have done. |
| 00:23.25 | Noshei | yeah when rift was launching they specifically said they were using HP Blade hardware |
| 00:23.59 | ZorbaGama | I suspect those upgrades were just upgrades, not replacements, but I don't know the details |
| 00:24.10 | Noshei | I would really hope they moved to Cisco UCS hardware at that point, but I kinda doubt it |
| 00:24.41 | ZorbaGama | also note that at least on a few cases we managed to increase server caps through software optimizations :) |
| 00:25.01 | seebs | I lost a lot of respect for Cisco when they came up with the router that they reserve the right to disable remotely if they think your use of it is immoral. |
| 00:25.05 | Noshei | I bet they could cut the number of physical servers in half with a move to Cisco hardware, it has crazy density |
| 00:25.39 | seebs | I didn't even know Cisco did servers, as opposed to network hardware. |
| 00:25.56 | Noshei | they only got into the server business about 4 years ago |
| 00:25.59 | seebs | BTW, I am actually not kidding about that remark about Cisco: |
| 00:26.02 | seebs | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/freeing-your-router-from-ciscos-anti-porn-pro-copyright-cloud-service/ |
| 00:26.17 | seebs | "for obscene, pornographic, or offensive purposes;" |
| 00:26.19 | Noshei | but their server offerings are about 100 times better than anything else out there |
| 00:26.30 | ZorbaGama | yeesh, that's kind of nasty. not *just* because of the rights they're claiming, but because of what it implies about the router's security |
| 00:26.34 | seebs | So if they feel you are using your router in an "offensive" way they can shut down the only mechanism by which it can be configured. |
| 00:26.36 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 00:26.43 | ZorbaGama | I do not want a router with a built-in kill switch accessible from the outside |
| 00:27.01 | seebs | This is why I haven't bought anything from Belkin since their insane "we redirect random pages to ads for our services" thing. |
| 00:27.01 | ZorbaGama | Belkin did something similar a few years back and I still avoid Belkin hardware |
| 00:27.05 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 00:27.06 | ZorbaGama | haha, yep |
| 00:27.22 | seebs | The thing that really impressed me about it was their solution: "We put up a web page, visit this page and the router will never do that again." |
| 00:27.39 | seebs | Because I *totally* want a firewall which can have internal firewall settings configured by visiting a remote web page. That's a good idea. |
| 00:27.53 | seebs | They posted a long thing about it on Usenet, as I recall, then deleted the post. |
| 00:28.23 | seebs | Whereupon many people whose news servers had not yet honored the cancel posted the complete text along with comments like "I thought I saw a post like this with Message-ID xxx, does anyone else see it?" |
| 00:28.39 | ZorbaGama | "no, it's okay, you can trust us! just rely on this massive vulnerability" |
| 00:28.57 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 00:28.59 | Imhothar | why do I have the feeling this can only happen in the US |
| 00:29.16 | seebs | Like Sony's rootkit removal tool which installed a new ActiveX control which would then remove the rootkit. |
| 00:29.26 | seebs | After which you still had the ActiveX control on your machine and any web site could reboot you. |
| 00:29.58 | seebs | So, yeah. Long story short, Cisco can make the best hardware in the world, I'm still really, really, really, reluctant to buy anything from them. |
| 00:30.16 | seebs | I have no confidence that they will not have remote killswitches in it, or monitor traffic, or whatever else. |
| 00:31.33 | Imhothar | don't even want to imagine the list of privacy regulations this would violate here |
| 00:33.26 | seebs | Yeah. I would not mind if we had privacy laws. |
| 00:33.39 | seebs | The US is pretty deeply insane in some ways. |
| 00:33.55 | seebs | One of my friends has a new hobby, which is making fun of the Boston Marathon bombing suspect's fandom. |
| 00:35.12 | Noshei | so I work for a medical company, so if cisco had any kind of remote access to our systems that was built in they would be in shit ton of trouble with the government |
| 00:35.34 | Noshei | so im fairly comfident there isn't anything like that in their server hardware |
| 00:35.37 | seebs | It might be worth seeing whether any of those routers got that cloud upgrade thing. |
| 00:35.54 | seebs | Basically, though, once a company's willing to do that once, I have pretty low confidence that they won't try to do it again. |
| 00:36.09 | seebs | Possibly by getting an official government request to do so "because terrorism". |
| 00:41.47 | Imhothar | didn't "terrorism" turn into a general purpose excuse to justify any kind of government action? |
| 00:42.04 | Noshei | pretty much |
| 00:42.46 | seebs | Yup. |
| 00:43.04 | Imhothar | There's actually currently a case at the EU comission against Germany because provider's must not save any traffic/connection/ip etc data for more than a few days |
| 00:44.23 | Imhothar | and more countries still have lawsuits at their supreme courts against the information storage practices |
| 00:44.56 | Imhothar | funnily they're usually successfull as they clearly violate most constitutions |
| 00:48.02 | ZorbaGama | I know Google's been hit by that at least once |
| 00:48.44 | Imhothar | Google and Facebook are the usual suspects here when it comes to privacy violations |
| 00:48.56 | Imhothar | they get dragged to court rather often |
| 00:50.52 | Imhothar | facebook even has different TOS rules and privacy settings here |
| 00:51.11 | ZorbaGama | yeah, that's pretty common |
| 00:51.50 | Imhothar | Europe is bascially quite a pain in the ass for those datahungry US monsters |
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| 01:04.08 | Noshei | hey ZorbaGama |
| 01:04.36 | ZorbaGama | ahoy |
| 01:05.02 | Noshei | you remember that bug a reported a long ways back where when you take an item from a mail message and it sometimes doesnt delete the mail after the item is taken |
| 01:05.31 | Noshei | this isn't really specific to just addons |
| 01:05.41 | Noshei | happens with the default ui as well |
| 01:06.16 | Noshei | but I think I may have just figured out why, it seems that the on the client end the game thinks the item is still attached to the mail message |
| 01:07.18 | Noshei | even though the item was actually moved to your bags |
| 01:07.44 | ZorbaGama | oh, curious. yeah, I could believe that |
| 01:08.41 | Noshei | I just had it happen when i hit take all for a single message and it left the message window open, with the item still showing as attached, but really the item was in my bags |
| 01:09.24 | Noshei | you wouldn't see this with multiple messages because it would just iterate to the next message and close the window of the message that bugged |
| 05:49.18 | seebs | d'oh, bananah seems to be busted by the text field changes. |
| 05:49.38 | seebs | Oh, Zorba, did I tell you about my clever way to break the "always show action bars" toggle? |
| 05:58.11 | seebs | 1. Turn off always show action bars. 2. Start to drag an ability. 3. Press escape. |
| 06:22.53 | ZorbaGama | apparently defiance has a free weekend going on, so if you think defiance might be your cup of metaphorical tea, give it a shot |
| 06:23.30 | Ivnedar | I need to find time to play that more :( |
| 06:32.31 | seebs | I think it's not. |
| 06:32.39 | seebs | And anyway, between Rift and DDO, I'm pretty well booked up. |
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| 17:49.29 | Solsis00 | Evening |
| 17:49.43 | Solsis00 | Or afternoon rather.. at least for me |
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| 18:01.08 | Solsis00 | Hey Imho |
| 18:01.24 | Imhothar | oi |
| 18:01.30 | Solsis00 | conveniently I'm skimming through a post you made a while back :P |
| 18:01.39 | Solsis00 | How ya been? |
| 18:02.05 | Imhothar | as always |
| 18:02.42 | Solsis00 | busy, working, sleeping, playing not as much as we'd all like. |
| 18:02.48 | Solsis00 | lol |
| 18:02.56 | Solsis00 | at least that's about how mine goes |
| 18:05.50 | Solsis00 | I've been away for awhile so I"m trying to get back in the swing of things |
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