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| 03:22.40 | Ivnedar | "You don't have to deal with cash shop advertisements outside of the RIFT store while in game. Some folks at the company asked for a pop up advertising page every time you log into RIFT. I told them to jump in a god damn lake." |
| 03:22.44 | Ivnedar | ^^ Daglar ftw |
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| 04:05.07 | develCuy | Hey there |
| 04:05.17 | Noshei | hi |
| 04:05.25 | develCuy | Just seen your site http://www.riftui.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31 |
| 04:05.36 | develCuy | are you using Lua for web development? |
| 04:06.16 | Noshei | lua is used for addons in game |
| 04:06.22 | Noshei | they use php for their site |
| 04:06.47 | Noshei | which you can see from the url having .php in it |
| 04:07.40 | develCuy | oh, I was thinking that were looking to provide a web interface for the game |
| 04:14.08 | develCuy | anyway, thanks! |
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| 10:06.30 | Wildtide | ZorbaGama, am i right in thinking the old event system becomes deprecated in 2.3? |
| 10:07.03 | Wildtide | and does that mean we'll start getting compatiblity warnings on June 12th if we haven't done the conversion? |
| 10:08.52 | Wildtide | i'm hoping for a period where i can enable strict mode for testing without it visibly breaking for users, but i can't for the life of me remember how the deprecation system works |
| 10:23.41 | Wildtide | nm, i stopped being idle and actually looked myself |
| 10:23.42 | Wildtide | * The old event system will be removed. This is tentatively scheduled for Compatibility Mode in 2.4 and complete removal in 2.5. Be prepared! Get your changes done soon! |
| 10:24.16 | Wildtide | is there any chance we can get it deprecated for strict mode testing before 2.4, or is that a load of work? |
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| 13:12.53 | ZorbaGama | it may actually be set up for strict mode now, I'm not sure offhand. If it's not, it'll be set up that way on the PTS after 2.3 is out |
| 13:22.54 | Baanano_ | hey Zorba, will there be any UI improvement in 2.3 that would make waiting till then to start rewriting UI libraries a good idea? |
| 13:25.35 | ZorbaGama | the only significant improvement is a much easier way to do a few text special effects like shadows |
| 13:26.08 | ZorbaGama | beyond that, remember to use :EventAttachMacro when you want to use macros, since the old :EventAttach method is going away. But that's already in. |
| 13:27.18 | Baanano_ | the shadows thing sounds cool, thanks for the info :) |
| 13:56.06 | Wildtide | whoa, awesome! |
| 13:56.45 | Wildtide | the strict mode, i'm pretty sure isn't in, unless i messed up my test the other day |
| 13:57.18 | Wildtide | but i don't care now. gonna be too busy ripping all my dodgy 4 Text objects for every label code out :) |
| 14:15.01 | NuSuey | btw CTRL U works for hiding the UI and using the spells via the keys .. which is awesome, can play Rift on my plasma TV :) |
| 14:16.09 | Thorarin | Whee easy shadows :) |
| 14:16.10 | ZorbaGama | I was hoping the special effects could be applied to *all* elements, but it turns out scaleform supports it only for text. so, welp. |
| 14:16.26 | ZorbaGama | it's in the flash documentation as working everywhere but it's always fun seeing what scaleform supports and what it doesn't :V |
| 14:40.04 | Wildtide | lol, ScaleForm sounds like a whole lotta fun |
| 14:40.32 | ZorbaGama | I have real mixed feelings about it |
| 14:40.40 | ZorbaGama | one, it's an awful abomination |
| 14:40.47 | ZorbaGama | two, it actually *is* the best option out there right now |
| 14:41.19 | ZorbaGama | I hate working with it, but if someone asked me what they should use for their game UI, I'd sigh heavily and say "scaleform". |
| 14:41.41 | Wildtide | is it the best of a bad bunch, or the only thing out there? |
| 14:42.19 | ZorbaGama | it's the only moderately-competently-made 2d UI layer out there. Well, okay, I hear Iggy is good also, but realistically iggy is going to suffer from a lot of the same issues |
| 14:42.39 | ZorbaGama | to be honest it all comes down to Flash. Flash was never designed for stuff like this, *but* it's good a very good editor and at this point has a lot of useful features |
| 14:42.57 | ZorbaGama | anyone targeting the AAA market is either going to have to run Flash UI or essentially rewrite the Flash editor. |
| 14:43.41 | ZorbaGama | incidentally I hear *amazing* things about Wildstar's addon system. I am so jealous of the time they obviously had to put into that thing. Once it's out, take a look at it. That's the "rewrite the Flash editor" approach. |
| 14:44.11 | Wildtide | i only heard of Wildstar for the first time in a post on the forum yesterday, no idea what it is |
| 14:44.33 | Wildtide | despite the fact they almost stole my name :D |
| 14:45.09 | ZorbaGama | I'm actually rather interested by it - it's a flashy action scifi MMO. Splice together the art of Defiance and WoW, make it play like a fast-paced video game. |
| 14:45.38 | Wildtide | that does sound pretty cool |
| 14:45.54 | ZorbaGama | actually, art reminds me a lot of Treasure Planet as well |
| 14:46.05 | Wildtide | i'll have to hit google now |
| 14:46.06 | ZorbaGama | (which I strongly recommend watching if you ever need a fun but brainless movie) |
| 14:46.21 | Wildtide | not heard of that either... sigh, so out of touch |
| 14:47.01 | ZorbaGama | it's basically a Disney remake of the old Treasure Island myth. But with spaceships and aliens. Five minutes in you'll be able to describe the entire plot, but that's okay because it's a lot of fun to watch |
| 14:47.07 | Wildtide | oh, i see what you mean. that really does look like updated WoW in space |
| 14:47.21 | Wildtide | lol, i'll give it a go :) |
| 14:48.01 | Wildtide | quite enjoying Defiance actually (the TV series, not the game) |
| 14:48.14 | ZorbaGama | I hear they're both quite good. I've been playing some Defiance and enjoying it |
| 14:48.27 | ZorbaGama | I really like that they did away with level-gated progression |
| 14:48.36 | Wildtide | i was on the beta, but i didn't really give it a fair go tbh |
| 14:49.53 | Wildtide | looked pretty good, but didn't grab me and make me want to play it like RIFT did |
| 14:50.38 | ZorbaGama | yeah, it's a bit of a different style. it feels a lot like an MMO Borderlands to me |
| 14:50.53 | Wildtide | yes, it's been likened to that a few times that i've seen |
| 14:52.01 | Wildtide | going back to Scaleform... would i be right in thinking a Context equates to a single flash movie? |
| 14:52.30 | Baanano_ | i have the tv series on my to watch list, they have dubbed it to spanish! |
| 14:52.51 | Wildtide | but you speak perfect English? |
| 14:53.01 | ZorbaGama | wildtide, yes, but that's sort of coincidental - even if it didn't, it would still equate to a layered UI element |
| 14:53.21 | ZorbaGama | the rule is that contexts are the things that can be arranged between native UI elements. Those happen to be implemented as flash movies, but that's just an implementation detail. |
| 14:54.08 | Wildtide | ah, ok. i was thinking every separate major UI element would be a movie, so it made sense to me that an addon context would be one too. |
| 14:54.50 | Wildtide | was just wondering, no reason... i don't know a lot about Flash, and nothing about SF :) |
| 14:55.19 | Wildtide | i liked Silverlight :( |
| 14:55.29 | Wildtide | clearly i would also have bought a Betamax... |
| 14:55.47 | ZorbaGama | honestly I've got real mixed feelings about every-ui-element-is-a-movie |
| 14:56.00 | ZorbaGama | we did it for memory leak issues, but it's introduced other memory issues instead :/ just a royal pain overal |
| 14:56.10 | Wildtide | hehe |
| 14:56.18 | Wildtide | the alternative would be one massive movie i guess? |
| 14:56.22 | ZorbaGama | yup |
| 14:56.31 | ZorbaGama | which is nice because it implies a lot of convenient things about memory sharing |
| 14:56.45 | ZorbaGama | and annoying because it makes it much harder to reliably deallocate everything in one branch of the megamovie |
| 14:57.30 | Wildtide | yep, i can see advantages of multiple movies |
| 14:58.24 | Wildtide | did you see my question on roles btw? |
| 14:59.14 | ZorbaGama | nope, what was the question? |
| 14:59.15 | Wildtide | having 20 of em could get very interesting |
| 14:59.34 | Wildtide | basically... if we're dealing with 20 roles, we could do with being able to get the role names and role slot count |
| 14:59.40 | ZorbaGama | yeah I'm actually really curious what the UI for that is |
| 14:59.47 | Wildtide | me too :) |
| 15:00.27 | Wildtide | i'm hoping to do a drop down list rather than any sort of tabbed interface... a drop down showing 1,2,3...20 wouldn't be enormously useful |
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| 15:02.04 | ZorbaGama | I've been wanting to set up a role/soul api for a while but it's probably not going in this time :/ |
| 15:03.03 | Wildtide | aye. was kinda hoping you could bolt in a quick n' dirty Inspect.TEMPORARY.RoleList() |
| 15:03.17 | ZorbaGama | hmm. possibly. as long as you don't want an event along with it :V |
| 15:04.12 | Wildtide | would be fine for me. if they bought a new slot, they'd have to reloadui... would be better than nothing :) |
| 15:04.40 | ZorbaGama | in theory you could just poll it once when your UI is opened |
| 15:04.47 | Wildtide | true |
| 15:05.22 | Wildtide | i'm not hugely concerned, because Gadgets uses hardcore macro scripting and doesn't have a tabbed per-role UI at the moment |
| 15:05.56 | Wildtide | it's a feature i was looking to add... but i suspect some other addons will be affected significantly |
| 15:07.40 | Wildtide | one other useful feature would be Command.REX.SendItAllToWildtide() |
| 15:09.59 | Baanano_ | preferably, not requiring a hardware event xD |
| 15:10.27 | Wildtide | :) |
| 15:11.02 | ZorbaGama | in retrospect I'm glad I hadn't made the merchant API yet |
| 15:11.45 | Wildtide | yeah, good point. that would need to be so secure now |
| 15:18.42 | Wildtide | so, how harrassed is Daglar looking atm? he's had to field some really obnoxious rants on the forum |
| 15:19.45 | Wildtide | don't worry, not expecting you to answer that :) |
| 15:21.23 | Baanano | it'd be nice to gift my spare months to my friends and bring them back now, instead of having to wait a month |
| 17:54.05 | seebs | Oooh, race/faction changes will be distinct. |
| 17:54.20 | seebs | Meh. I'd log in and see whether anyone's around, but the dodgy hotel internet won't let me connect to rift somehow. |
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| 21:17.56 | Cairenn | ZorbaGama: you hit? |
| 21:27.33 | Baanano | hope not |
| 21:43.04 | fewyn | supposedly it was mostly defiance people |
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| 23:26.48 | Imhothar | hit? |
| 23:31.52 | Cairenn | Massive layoffs at Trion |
| 23:32.22 | Cairenn | http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=32396 |
| 23:47.07 | seebs | That's sort of worrisome. |
| 23:47.28 | Cairenn | Yeah =/ |