| 00:09.18 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: Hey can you pas this along to Elrar and get him to comment please http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/dungeons-raids/353646-vendetta-perfect-regulos-vid-log-no-acheive.html |
| 00:09.59 | Noshei | I was told by a Gm that we had to have 0 deaths from the time we enter the raid to killing regulos to get the achievement. |
| 00:14.37 | Ivnedar | wow, that's harsh |
| 00:16.19 | Noshei | yeah |
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| 09:14.12 | Thorarin | Is anyone else seeing strange behavior for RiftTextfield.GetCursor() ? |
| 09:15.01 | Thorarin | It's returning -1 for me all the time... |
| 09:15.49 | Thorarin | Which is having some very funky effects on LuaPad :P |
| 09:18.08 | Ivnedar | Dendrome's open? :O |
| 09:18.27 | Ivnedar | ah, gap in the wall, right |
| 09:18.47 | Thorarin | There is? Hmm |
| 09:19.37 | Ivnedar | Watching people get the achievements for discovery/jump |
| 09:20.22 | Thorarin | :S |
| 09:23.16 | Thorarin | Hmmm, not sure what could cause GetCursor to work okay for KaruulAlert, but not for LuaPad |
| 09:43.00 | Thorarin | Awww, no new Easy Mail addon, so pressing Enter in there does not work at all |
| 09:43.13 | Thorarin | Curious to see what would happen in there |
| 10:17.17 | Thorarin | Hmmm, the GetCursor() seems to be completely broken actually.. KaruulAlert just had special case handling for -1 |
| 10:42.53 | Thorarin | wth... |
| 10:43.15 | Thorarin | Oh, that must be because of the other text field bug Baanano reported :( |
| 11:13.54 | Ivnedar | gah! |
| 11:14.03 | Ivnedar | volan event started when we had Crucia at 25% |
| 11:14.10 | Ivnedar | 4+s ability lag == wipe :( |
| 11:15.19 | Thorarin | Weird, never had such a big affect on lag from volan inside a dungeon |
| 11:15.41 | Ivnedar | Annoyingly, one of those was me taunting :( |
| 11:24.33 | Ivnedar | hit taunt during tank swap, stood there, 4s later, debuff went up, volan event announcement came up |
| 11:24.43 | Thorarin | :S |
| 11:34.30 | Ivnedar | ok, that was worth the laggy attempts :D |
| 11:34.33 | Ivnedar | shockwave, woo |
| 11:54.15 | Ivnedar | awwh, cleric tank hates me now :( |
| 13:50.05 | Ivnedar | so apparently most of the boss abilities don't have ids :( |
| 13:50.08 | Ivnedar | that's sad |
| 13:50.50 | Ivnedar | {abilityName = "Lacerating Cascade", begin = 0, duration = 1.5000001192093, expired = 8342.751953125, remaining = 0, uninterruptible = true} |
| 13:51.08 | Ivnedar | dump of the castbar while it's casting |
| 13:51.34 | Ivnedar | {abilityName = "Cyclonic Destruction", begin = 0, duration = 3.0000002384186, expired = 8398.271484375, remaining = 0} |
| 13:52.14 | Ivnedar | hrrm, not sure if any bosses have ids now I look at it |
| 14:08.15 | Ivnedar | boss abilities that is |
| 14:28.51 | ZorbaBeta | I should probably talk to design and see if those can be exposed |
| 14:33.55 | Ivnedar | ooh, thankyou :) |
| 14:36.47 | ZorbaBeta | no guarantees, internal workings are always a bit uncertain :V |
| 14:39.44 | Ivnedar | all good, will leave it as names |
| 14:40.22 | Ivnedar | for now anyway ;) |
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| 15:33.02 | Thorarin | Awesome... world event start crashed all servers or smt |
| 16:24.14 | Imhothar | this is funny. so it seems we got spring finally this week. but they announce snow and frost from sunday onwards |
| 16:25.01 | Imhothar | so on monday the entire country is supposed to be covered with snow again. and some people still think we didn't screw up the weather... |
| 16:26.24 | Thorarin | Nah, we're supposed to gather statistics for 50 years before concluding that what we did back then wasn't helping :P |
| 16:26.51 | Thorarin | And then ofc we can still blame the incoming mini ice age |
| 16:27.05 | Imhothar | reminds me of the picture "buw what if it's just a hoax and we make the future better for nothing?" |
| 16:29.15 | Thorarin | heh |
| 16:29.37 | Thorarin | Reminded me of some Nine Inch Nails song ;) |
| 16:29.39 | Thorarin | Don't give a shit about the temperature in Guatemala |
| 16:29.39 | Thorarin | Don't really see what all the fuss is about |
| 16:29.39 | Thorarin | Ain't gonna worry 'bout no future generations and a |
| 16:29.39 | Thorarin | I'm sure somebody gonna figure it out |
| 16:29.46 | Thorarin | :> |
| 16:30.31 | Thorarin | Now the login server also seems down, hmm :P |
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| 17:16.25 | Imhothar | interesting, the new thread by Adelea about UEC stays marked as unread even after reading it |
| 17:22.05 | Thorarin | Like my XBMC at home :P Past episode 128 of a series it doesn't mark them as watched anymore :S |
| 17:22.36 | Thorarin | But seriously, haven't noticed that problem on the forums |
| 17:30.20 | Baanano | it happens a lot, the "Mark all forums as read" button fixes it most times |
| 17:36.25 | Thorarin | Well, forums in general are pretty bad at tracking what you've read :( |
| 17:38.19 | Thorarin | It's slightly better nowadays though. It used to be so bad, that I built a forum/usenet hybrid so you could use a newsreader instead :P |
| 17:40.03 | Thorarin | Code Project code snippets are unintentionally funny sometimes :( |
| 17:40.53 | Thorarin | "I'm a Software Architect, hardware and security specialist blabla that apparently has no basic understanding of multithreading or memory barriers" |
| 17:44.25 | Imhothar | Baanano that button works only until someone replies to the thread, then the button appears again and clicking it takes me to the OP |
| 17:45.05 | Imhothar | there aren't many developers who are into multithreading well enough to understand the problems |
| 17:45.28 | Thorarin | Seriously, using a polling loop to determine when an idle thread should be shut down, reading a boolean value without a memory barrier :> |
| 17:45.53 | Imhothar | it's a valid strategy in embedded devices |
| 17:46.04 | Imhothar | i.e. when dealing with interrupt handlers |
| 17:46.10 | Imhothar | and hard realtime applications |
| 17:46.12 | Thorarin | Most probably yes |
| 17:46.26 | Thorarin | Not for .NET code though :S |
| 17:46.31 | Imhothar | ugh... |
| 17:46.37 | Imhothar | "here be dragons" |
| 17:47.22 | Imhothar | though in all honesty, I managed to create a pretty scary race condition in out serial port commnication |
| 17:47.39 | Imhothar | in retrospect it was really stupid to begin with |
| 17:48.13 | Thorarin | I don't claim to be an expert... but I think they should have never introduced the volatile keyword in C#. Even the experts don't agree when volatile variables are enough and when a lock is needed :) |
| 17:48.46 | Thorarin | Most people that claim volatile is enough only consider x86 hardware architecure |
| 17:49.06 | Imhothar | just use Interlocked.* |
| 17:49.19 | Imhothar | the compiler is gonna complain if the variable is volatile |
| 17:51.23 | Thorarin | Meh, just using a wait handle now |
| 17:51.31 | Thorarin | Silly polling :P |
| 17:51.35 | Imhothar | well yeah, for waiting use wait handles ;) |
| 17:51.54 | Imhothar | though I prefer async over waiting if possible |
| 17:53.38 | Thorarin | Well, tbh I'm not sure why he's using a thread at all |
| 17:53.45 | Thorarin | Will have to check that :) |
| 17:54.46 | Thorarin | With C# 5 async/await, things got a lot better in terms of async programming |
| 17:55.04 | Thorarin | No more turning your logic inside out :P |
| 17:55.56 | Thorarin | Was interesting to see that C++ did a very similar thing with Futures I believe they called them in that vid? |
| 18:30.22 | seebs | Oh, man. |
| 18:30.36 | seebs | I once lost two hours of my life to a test result from... I think it was LTP. |
| 18:30.41 | seebs | Which was "failing" on some systems. |
| 18:30.55 | seebs | The "failure" involved a busy loop reading a non-volatile and waiting for it to change. |
| 18:31.26 | seebs | My experience of test code is that in general, if I get test code saying the compiler is buggy, it means that someone, somewhere, does not know C. |
| 18:45.04 | Thorarin | heh |
| 18:48.38 | Thorarin | Still no servers :( |
| 18:48.55 | Thorarin | I guess it will be no phase 2 for NA for now either |
| 18:59.00 | Imhothar | yes Thorarin, futures and promises |
| 18:59.18 | Imhothar | std::async is basically the same as Invoking a task |
| 18:59.23 | Imhothar | C# Task |
| 18:59.52 | Imhothar | you get an object back to wait for/retrieve the result |
| 19:00.06 | Imhothar | no changes to syntax however |
| 19:06.18 | Thorarin | In that sense it's more like having a Task library in the first place.. but even that is a big help |
| 19:06.43 | Thorarin | Unfortunately I can't find an excuse to get some serious C++ development done again :( |
| 19:07.08 | Thorarin | Not even for my current hobby projects, meh |
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| 22:21.16 | Wildtide | ZorbaBeta, are you around? |
| 22:22.50 | Wildtide | got a weird problem... i was using a couple of truetype fonts on the PTS that worked fine, but on live, all i get is squares. just copied in a standard windows font to test, and it works fine. are there restrictions on which ttf files work? |
| 22:28.12 | Wildtide | ok... now i'm totally confused |
| 22:28.23 | Wildtide | i shut down live, loaded PTS, same addon worked fine there |
| 22:28.38 | Imhothar | locked file? |
| 22:28.39 | Wildtide | went back to live, and it magically started working with no changes? |
| 22:28.51 | Wildtide | don't think so, no |
| 22:29.17 | Wildtide | it's as if it took a restart of the entire client for RIFT to be able to load TTF files that i'd copied in |
| 22:29.35 | Thorarin | BTW, are we also supposed to be able to use the event creation function for frame events? |
| 22:29.51 | Wildtide | i don't think so - that was "coming later" |
| 22:30.09 | Thorarin | Zorba also said things were feature complete now |
| 22:30.38 | Wildtide | oh yeah, that's true |
| 22:30.56 | Baanano | maybe he meant "according to the original plan" which didn't include frames? |
| 22:32.26 | Thorarin | Hmmz, well, if the Event table is removed, we will need it, or implement something similar :S |
| 22:33.28 | Imhothar | we have frame events in the new system now? |
| 22:33.37 | Imhothar | EventAttach and Eventdetach |
| 22:33.42 | Imhothar | am I missing something? |
| 22:33.45 | Thorarin | Custom events |
| 22:33.51 | Baanano | Event.UI.* |
| 22:34.11 | Baanano | they're used as arguments for attach |
| 22:34.27 | Imhothar | I kn |
| 22:34.28 | Thorarin | I want to make my own :P |
| 22:34.29 | Imhothar | ow |
| 22:34.40 | Imhothar | those tables aren't read only |
| 22:35.00 | Imhothar | Event.UI.MyEvent = Utility.Event.Create or something |
| 22:35.15 | Thorarin | I'm not sure if it's meant to be used for that |
| 22:35.15 | Imhothar | should at least work with Command.Event.Attach |
| 22:35.21 | Thorarin | That's what I was asking :) |
| 22:35.33 | Thorarin | For UI events that is |
| 22:35.47 | Imhothar | oh you mean with the bubble/sink thing? |
| 22:37.03 | Imhothar | The only thing I'm really missing from the "feature complete" thing is a way to trigger pre-existing UI events manually |
| 22:37.04 | Baanano | don't think our custom events will get bubble/dive, they'll probably be the "informational" type that's only called on the target, not on the whole hierarchy |
| 22:37.30 | Imhothar | well then making your own isn't really a problem |
| 22:37.41 | Imhothar | totally doable |
| 22:37.52 | Baanano | i agree |
| 22:38.19 | Thorarin | The tables aren't just tables tho |
| 22:38.44 | Baanano | but i think we all should try to use the same system, not each one of us reinventing the wheel as we usually do :P |
| 22:38.46 | Thorarin | And since we cannot call events, what use would a custom event be? |
| 22:39.11 | Imhothar | Utility.Event.Create already inserts events into the global event stuff |
| 22:39.14 | Thorarin | So definitely we need more stuff :P |
| 22:39.40 | Imhothar | Utility.Event.Create("UI2", "Some.Event") would create Event.UI2.Some.Event |
| 22:40.28 | Imhothar | technically you could use UI as long as you don't conflict with a builtin event |
| 22:42.57 | Baanano | has anyone checked if the new event system is safe against Observer-shouldn't-change-observable? the api avoids it by not sending parameters to events (except key events), but I usually do with my custom ones |
| 22:46.09 | Baanano | ok, seems im the only one :P |
| 22:46.35 | seebs | Huh, apparently WoW's broken /follow in a way that will annoy multiboxers. Might be more of them in Rift, I guess I should be working on Pikey more. |
| 22:46.46 | seebs | I haven't had a chance to even look at the 2.2 changes yet. :( |
| 22:47.22 | Torhal | seebs: Intentionally broken. |
| 22:47.28 | seebs | Yes. |
| 22:47.32 | Torhal | It was to foil bots, but yah. |
| 22:48.00 | seebs | I am sort of skeptical of the notion that actual bots are using /follow, that seems silly. |
| 22:48.14 | Thorarin | Maybe multiboxers, but bots? |
| 22:48.53 | seebs | Yeah, makes no sense to me. I wouldn't think botting software would need or use /follow. |
| 22:49.13 | Thorarin | Isn't it purely a client thing anyway? |
| 22:49.29 | Thorarin | In most games it is I think |
| 22:49.35 | seebs | I don't know, but I thought so. |
| 22:49.58 | seebs | AFK a while. Back later. I might be getting out of release-cycle-crunch soonish at which point I'll be catching up on addon stuff. |
| 23:32.26 | odine | been out of the loop awhile now... due to injury to wrist.. browsing patch notes... as of 2.2 we can do cutom events again? im assuming they function like they used to still then? |
| 23:33.15 | odine | ie: utility.event.create...... |
| 23:33.41 | Imhothar | it was never gone, just not migrated to the new system |
| 23:35.38 | odine | right i know |
| 23:35.48 | odine | but regarding the new event system its back to normal then so to speak? |
| 23:36.39 | odine | far as custom events go that is... |
| 23:38.17 | odine | and on more thing im hearing far as key events.. im told keyup is functioning better than keydown can anyone confirm this? |
| 23:42.20 | Thorarin | Haven't noticed problems with Key.Down |