| 00:42.41 | Ivnedar | Ahhh, things finally clicked for kbm enrages for ToDQ |
| 00:43.01 | Ivnedar | I think Semele used Whitelady's guide timers instead of what I had |
| 00:43.19 | Ivnedar | And people are only noticing the difference now because they actually have to do the Jultharin fight properly |
| 03:09.21 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: my cape has disappeared on my character, even though it should be there! |
| 03:09.39 | Ivnedar | is it glitching around the world? |
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| 07:56.31 | Thorarin | <Ivnedar> And people are only noticing the difference now because they actually have to do the Jultharin fight properly |
| 07:56.41 | Thorarin | Properly, as opposed to how? |
| 07:56.52 | Ivnedar | Stack up on the vine and ignore all the mechanics |
| 07:57.07 | Thorarin | Oh, never knew that was possible 0.o |
| 07:57.21 | Ivnedar | You could climb up the vine to the right of the entrance so you're above the wisp walls |
| 07:57.37 | Thorarin | If we can, we use Archon point to point |
| 07:57.40 | Ivnedar | It's had an invisible wall put around it or something now, so you can't climb it |
| 07:57.48 | Ivnedar | we just burn the walls |
| 07:57.55 | Thorarin | That works too :) |
| 07:58.00 | Ivnedar | can kill it normally in the same time it takes groups to get themselves up on to the vine |
| 07:58.10 | Thorarin | Point to point is funnier :> |
| 07:58.21 | Ivnedar | We used ptp on our first typhiria kill :D |
| 07:58.34 | Ivnedar | Since the jultharin wall was still up (old bug) |
| 07:58.51 | Ivnedar | no way to get around her in p2 when she's breathing in a circle |
| 07:59.06 | Thorarin | Oh, we usually burn through mechanics there... stupid bugged ground AoE always confused people hehe |
| 07:59.11 | Ivnedar | had the two points setup on either side of her |
| 07:59.19 | Ivnedar | the dragon phase |
| 07:59.57 | Thorarin | Hmm well, we usually kill it just after it starts doing the breathing thing |
| 08:00.03 | Ivnedar | cool :) |
| 08:00.16 | Ivnedar | Our first kill, we were still in blues etc |
| 08:00.35 | Ivnedar | having a big wall throught he middle of a boss you need to run around twice made it a bit hard |
| 08:00.43 | Thorarin | I don't think we used point to point for it succesfully, but I think we tried once |
| 08:00.47 | Ivnedar | had point to point setup, killed it first go :) |
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| 14:06.43 | Wildtide | ZorbaBeta: would it be a security hole to let us find files inside our own addon directory? |
| 14:07.47 | Wildtide | i would really like to be able to find and load text files, as well as image and font files |
| 14:08.47 | Wildtide | basically - i'm looking for a way to enable user created "Template Packs" for gadgets, without needing to create separate addons |
| 14:12.34 | Ivnedar | would be fun to try and jail the addon into that directory |
| 14:14.21 | Ivnedar | buff duration and remaining values look correct when I'm dumping them out |
| 14:14.26 | Ivnedar | *checking add event* |
| 14:15.40 | Wildtide | is this related to the PA extended durations? |
| 14:15.44 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 14:15.51 | Ivnedar | Arasaadi = wife |
| 14:15.57 | Wildtide | ohh :) |
| 14:16.01 | Ivnedar | :) |
| 14:16.23 | Wildtide | it'll be odd if they are correct and the problem is still happening |
| 14:16.37 | Wildtide | cos i don't cache/store buff durations anywhere |
| 14:16.40 | Ivnedar | correct in inspect.buff.detail |
| 14:16.55 | Wildtide | but gadgets is still getting it wrong? |
| 14:17.33 | Wildtide | hard to test, but is the start time correct? |
| 14:18.03 | Wildtide | as in, the .begin member |
| 14:20.14 | Ivnedar | .begin is right, as is .duration and .remaining |
| 14:20.55 | Wildtide | well, that's just odd then. those have worked fine for months |
| 14:21.03 | Ivnedar | gadgets won't show the time remaining until it gets to the normal time remaining |
| 14:21.09 | Ivnedar | which is weird |
| 14:21.25 | Ivnedar | is there some way of only showing the time remaining if it's under a certain amount? |
| 14:21.33 | Wildtide | there will be some odd assumption in the code. i'll find it, and then *facepalm* :) |
| 14:21.37 | Ivnedar | maybe that's being set somehow |
| 14:21.54 | Wildtide | no, there isn't |
| 14:21.59 | Ivnedar | not sure where you'd get the 'normal' value from unless you've got buff times hardcoded |
| 14:22.07 | Wildtide | which i haven't... |
| 14:22.12 | Wildtide | yep, really odd |
| 14:22.13 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 14:22.37 | Ivnedar | setting up mine to replicate it |
| 14:22.40 | Ivnedar | so I can do more playing |
| 14:22.50 | Wildtide | i don't actually have the PA talents to extend buffs, so could be fun to debug |
| 14:23.39 | Ivnedar | both bars and icons behave the same |
| 14:24.33 | Ivnedar | ok, behaves the same for me with no settings changed from default |
| 14:24.46 | Ivnedar | waits 50s for buff to go under the normal starting value |
| 14:25.39 | Ivnedar | yeah, as soon as it goes under 1hr, it shows up |
| 14:25.50 | Ivnedar | the time remaining |
| 14:25.53 | Wildtide | ohhh... hang on... 1 hr? |
| 14:26.03 | Wildtide | *facepalm* |
| 14:26.04 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 14:26.13 | Ivnedar | only shows < 1hr? |
| 14:26.16 | Wildtide | i don't show timers over 1 hr |
| 14:26.19 | Wildtide | yup |
| 14:26.26 | Ivnedar | she facepalmed too |
| 14:26.32 | Wildtide | lol |
| 14:27.00 | Wildtide | the assumption was they were all 4-hour or permanent buffs |
| 14:27.07 | Wildtide | guess that's not the case any more |
| 14:27.23 | Ivnedar | possibly still ok to do that |
| 14:27.30 | Ivnedar | or say ">1hr" or something |
| 14:28.14 | Wildtide | yep, i'll come up with something |
| 14:28.22 | Ivnedar | (this is why I asked if raid consumes were working ok and was told yes they were ...) |
| 14:28.24 | Wildtide | sorry Mrs. Ivnedar :D |
| 14:30.37 | Ivnedar | Fair warning, she wants in on the channel now :P |
| 14:30.56 | Wildtide | that's OK, i'm off to a meeting now :) |
| 14:31.07 | Wildtide | for the next 30 mins... |
| 14:31.10 | Wildtide | afk |
| 14:31.51 | Ivnedar | :) |
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| 14:36.46 | Baanano | nice feedback -> http://rift.curseforge.com/addons/bananah/tickets/27-cannot-type-in-search-or-set-prices/ |
| 14:38.22 | Arasaadi | my feedback's been pretty useless! |
| 14:38.36 | Baanano | it came with a pm stating how crappy my website is and how i should proceed to monetize it :( |
| 14:38.52 | Arasaadi | ... |
| 14:39.15 | Baanano | is that ticket yours arasaadi? |
| 14:40.11 | Arasaadi | nah |
| 14:40.46 | Arasaadi | while I totally love the calendar addon you and 0dine have done, I so rarely touch the AH I haven't needed addons for it. |
| 14:41.03 | Arasaadi | my crappy feedback was what Ivn and Wild were discussing earlier about the buffs. :D |
| 14:43.33 | Arasaadi | Wildtide: re: the group/raid frames. I enabled only gadgets and my template and it was still happening. :( |
| 14:44.02 | Arasaadi | unlocking gadgets and relocking seems to bring them back, so at least I don't have to relog now. |
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| 15:54.33 | Wildtide | http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/addon-api-development/341686-do-list-gadgets.html |
| 15:54.47 | Wildtide | Ivnedar, would #4 on there be what your good lady wife is talking about? |
| 15:54.56 | Wildtide | I totally forgot to fix that |
| 16:08.55 | Ivnedar | possibly, I'll have to ask her in the morning |
| 16:09.05 | Ivnedar | I don't remember her being in combat when she reloads |
| 16:11.53 | Ivnedar | well, that's me for the night, will let you know if that's the issue |
| 16:55.11 | Thorarin | Laters :) |
| 16:55.19 | Thorarin | <= lag |
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| 20:03.45 | Imhothar | impressive how some people manage to squeeze an entire addon into a single file |
| 21:21.05 | Thorarin | It's more efficient! :P |
| 21:21.25 | Imhothar | uhm yeah |
| 21:21.37 | Imhothar | native assembly is also more efficient than Lua ;) |
| 21:22.04 | Thorarin | Probably, although my assembly is a bit rusty ;) |
| 21:23.22 | Imhothar | I like assembly |
| 21:23.35 | Imhothar | I was digging the Intel 3 Volume x86 reference for years |
| 21:23.52 | Thorarin | Sure... although optimizing it for modern CPUs is a pain |
| 21:24.04 | Imhothar | and usually no longer necessary |
| 21:24.11 | Imhothar | compiler are smarter than us now |
| 21:24.14 | Imhothar | most of the time |
| 21:25.07 | Thorarin | Well, when I used assembly a lot, it just output the crap you wrote :) |
| 21:25.18 | Imhothar | yeah I mean higher level languages |
| 21:25.41 | Imhothar | I used to optimize my C++ in assembly but it's no longer necessary in practice |
| 21:26.04 | Thorarin | Well ofc, often higher level will be faster than the assembly most people could write |
| 21:26.27 | Imhothar | when SSE was introduced I rewrote my entire vector math library in assembly |
| 21:28.11 | Imhothar | it was fun though |
| 21:28.25 | Imhothar | assembly gives you the feeling of power over the CPU |
| 21:28.52 | Imhothar | you know it's doing exactly what you tell it to, however idiotic that may be |
| 21:29.03 | Thorarin | Well, even that is no longer true :P |
| 21:29.35 | Thorarin | You just don't notice it's doing something else :) |
| 21:30.42 | Thorarin | Last time I used it seriously is years ago tho |
| 21:30.42 | Imhothar | oh well |
| 21:30.52 | Imhothar | at least it's the smallest scope of control you can get |
| 21:31.26 | Thorarin | I distinctly remember a particular loop of a graphics routine speeding up a factor of 6 by just aligning some crap with NOPs :S |
| 21:31.37 | Thorarin | Bit too low level for most stuff :P |
| 21:31.44 | Imhothar | hell yeah |
| 21:32.08 | Imhothar | the problem I see these days is people who graduate from computer science often lack this kind of knowledge |
| 21:32.42 | Imhothar | and only know to program in Java/.NET like frameworks, oblivious of anything like caches or cpu instructions |
| 21:33.09 | Imhothar | which might be a good thing in some areas, where they don't have to deal with this stuff |
| 21:34.09 | Thorarin | Computer Science is a bunch of leaky abstractions built on top of eachother |
| 21:34.21 | Imhothar | but knowing how big your struct can/has to be in order to avoid cache thrashing or false sharing can save your job |
| 21:34.27 | Imhothar | it depends on the institution |
| 21:34.30 | Thorarin | Usually you don't need to know what's happening underneath, but it helps in some cases |
| 21:35.30 | Imhothar | my university had a techincal introduction course in the first year of bachelor, for master you chose all the courses you wanted, separated into 3 out of 12 areas |
| 21:36.01 | Imhothar | they had the technical stuff like robotics where you program microchisp and sensors/actors |
| 21:36.49 | Imhothar | or systems programming where you learn about cache aware I/O algorithms and stuff |
| 21:37.09 | Imhothar | but it's still the courses for the nerdiest of all |
| 21:38.17 | Thorarin | :) |
| 21:44.13 | Imhothar | these days I'm dealing with LLVM |
| 21:44.20 | Imhothar | its assembly is intresting too |
| 21:46.45 | Baanano | the best course i took at university was Hunting I, it was nice shooting targets down on Mondays, between Operating Systems III and Distributed Algorithms |
| 21:47.06 | Thorarin | haha |
| 21:47.19 | Thorarin | Between the bug hunting :> |
| 21:48.11 | Imhothar | TUM has two big slides in the informatics/math building shaped like a parabola |
| 21:49.06 | Imhothar | http://www.google.de/imgres?hl=de&sa=X&biw=1680&bih=965&tbm=isch&tbnid=A8-gJyY7Phy6zM:&imgrefurl=http://www.ma.tum.de/Mathematik/Parabelrutsche&docid=GA_CPg-QD2XbxM&imgurl=http://www.ma.tum.de/foswiki/pub/Mathematik/Parabelrutsche/x2_praes_55.jpg&w=963&h=655&ei=wxY1UafWEKGS4ATpoICYAQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=362&sig=108917988017272790027&page=1&tbnh=136&tbnw=212&start=0&ndsp=52&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:80&tx=122&ty=66 |
| 21:49.21 | Imhothar | 13 meters tall |
| 21:50.21 | Imhothar | for the slides to get approved they had to shape the metals according to the formula given on the page, otherwise people would get down too fast or get stuck |
| 21:50.39 | Baanano | is it hollow? |
| 21:50.46 | Imhothar | sure, it's a side |
| 21:52.21 | Imhothar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqzcHHs74uw |
| 21:52.24 | Thorarin | fun :) |
| 21:54.36 | Imhothar | in the beginning there were no restrictions there, so some crazy people went down on skateboards or other rolling devices |
| 21:54.54 | Imhothar | after breaking someone's legs there's now carpet pieces lying around |
| 23:36.02 | Thorarin | So true :P http://www.wimp.com/smartfailure/ |
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| 23:45.28 | Imhothar | heh, optical illusions |
| 23:45.42 | Imhothar | they should actually be called brain failures |
| 23:45.51 | Imhothar | quite arrogant to label it anything else than that |
