| 03:02.59 | seebs | I found a lovely global UI scale bug. |
| 03:03.12 | seebs | Save two sets of settings, one with global UI scale of not-100%, one with 100%. |
| 03:03.36 | seebs | Load the not-100%, then the 100%, and ... the 100% doesn't take, because apparently 100% is not stored, because it's the default. |
| 03:03.48 | seebs | So you have to go into settings, toggle it there, and reload the UI settings. |
| 03:03.58 | seebs | This is true with exportui/importui, anyway. Or was recently. |
| 03:15.23 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: can you fix this new graphic glitch please, super annoying |
| 03:24.30 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: video of new graphics glitch should be available at http://youtu.be/gjv3bUdbusM in about 20 minutes |
| 03:35.27 | Noshei | nevermind, wont be there, will have to upload it later |
| 03:41.07 | Ivnedar | It's always interesting watching someone who's going to the effort of circumventing security barriers |
| 04:19.37 | ZorbaBeta | thorarin, interestingly, the built-in textfield widget doesn't use Type events at all, it's strictly Down events for actual typing |
| 04:19.43 | ZorbaBeta | which is kind of weird IMHO but that's how it's implemented |
| 04:20.20 | ZorbaBeta | and thanks again for the bug report, it should be fixed in our standard patch cycle |
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| 09:17.08 | Ivnedar | ZorbaBeta: are you allowed to comment on the potential existance of some code that causes whatever slot you just spent raid marks on to be a guaranteed drop next raid? |
| 09:18.19 | Ivnedar | New tactic is to buy the item you want to drop, do the raid, get the drop, then refund the bought item |
| 09:21.36 | Wildtide | you're kidding? |
| 09:21.49 | Ivnedar | (patterns in randomness) |
| 09:22.29 | Wildtide | you're exploiting sod's/murphy's law... Daglar's duck will be after you :D |
| 09:22.35 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 09:22.50 | Ivnedar | I'm the reverse, so I don't mind |
| 09:22.57 | Ivnedar | All the warrior tank items drop for us |
| 09:22.59 | Ivnedar | so I'm all kitted out |
| 09:23.03 | Wildtide | nice |
| 09:23.22 | Wildtide | i don't raid at the moment, so i'm not |
| 09:24.31 | ZorbaBeta | if we were trying to annoy you, we wouldn't bother doing it with subtlety :V |
| 09:24.37 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 09:26.58 | Ivnedar | I just got a g13 and g600, muscle memory is totally out the window |
| 09:27.09 | Ivnedar | right hand is freaking out over the mouse button to the right of the mouse button |
| 09:27.26 | Ivnedar | left hand is freaking out over the thumbstick for movement |
| 09:27.53 | Ivnedar | to the right of the right mouse button that was |
| 09:43.12 | Baanano | Zorba, I want my <> key back :( |
| 09:44.40 | Baanano | please state how many cookies are required to make it top priority and where to send them :P |
| 09:45.22 | ZorbaBeta | <> key? huh? |
| 09:45.55 | Baanano | http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/addon-api-development/333515-suggestions-bug-reports-other-feedback-9.html#post4173898 |
| 09:47.47 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, what do you mean by not producing any character? is it still generating a proper KeyType message, or is it just Up and Down that are problematic? |
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| 09:48.50 | ZorbaBeta | that second one is weird. the former doesn't surprise me, I just need to add an entry for it |
| 09:49.18 | ZorbaBeta | I will check out the spanish keyboard layout tomorrow :) |
| 09:49.56 | Baanano | thanks! |
| 09:50.22 | Baanano | i know i should have tested it in the pts, so double thanks for checking it :P |
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| 10:23.46 | WIldtide_ | argh, webchat is doing my head in |
| 10:23.51 | WIldtide_ | as i was saying... |
| 10:23.55 | WIldtide_ | "[09:24] <ZorbaBeta> if we were trying to annoy you, we wouldn't bother doing it with subtlety :V" |
| 10:24.02 | WIldtide_ | ^-- that explains the ability bar bug then :D |
| 10:27.19 | ZorbaBeta | that wasn't us *trying* to annoy you! it was us accidentally succeeding beyond our wildest dreams :( |
| 10:27.24 | ZorbaBeta | as far as I know it should be fixed now, btw |
| 10:27.33 | Ivnedar | looks to be all fixed, thanks :D |
| 10:28.08 | Wildtide | lol. i was fine tbh, i just avoided logging in on my main :) |
| 10:28.22 | Wildtide | which as all i'm doing right now is dev stuff, was no hardship at all |
| 10:34.09 | Wildtide | ZorbaBeta: in your optimisation post, you seemed to say that the ability buttons were inefficient, partly because of the 6 roles we now have... have i misunderstood that? it seems really odd that inactive roles would have any impact on anything |
| 10:35.24 | ZorbaBeta | wildtide, the way roles buttons are implemented is as abilities. there's six roles in the game that just have special semi-hardcoded meanings. so when we see an ability button, we have to check to see if it's actually a role button in order to handle it properly. |
| 10:35.34 | ZorbaBeta | er, six abilities that have special meanings, I mean |
| 10:35.58 | Wildtide | ohhh... gotcha. so it's not that it's looking up abilities in roles you're not currently using |
| 10:36.20 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's just that, for every single ability button, it was comparing the ability to every role ID |
| 10:36.28 | ZorbaBeta | plus a whole lot of really inefficient data structure unpacking |
| 10:38.28 | Ivnedar | did the ability bar bug end up being a race condition in addon loads? or not public? |
| 10:39.36 | ZorbaBeta | race condition in the general loading subsystem - the availability of an extra server round-trip was causing problems |
| 10:39.56 | ZorbaBeta | when reloadui happened in a single frame we simply never gave it a chance to complete the roundtrip before the reload was finished |
| 10:40.11 | Wildtide | ugh, bet that was fun to track down |
| 10:40.36 | ZorbaBeta | not as bad as you'd think - we've had this exact same problem with the same code in the past |
| 10:40.46 | Wildtide | ah, ok |
| 10:42.24 | Ivnedar | was it a new problem or one that came in with the displaying of addon loading info? |
| 10:43.13 | Ivnedar | always fun finding race conditions in code that hasn't changed, but timing from something else triggers it |
| 10:43.33 | ZorbaBeta | the problem was simply reloadui taking more than one frame |
| 10:43.42 | ZorbaBeta | if we'd had any kind of a loading screen in there before, it would have happened earleir |
| 10:43.46 | Ivnedar | ahh |
| 10:45.24 | Wildtide | new event model is looking good btw. it makes for nice neat code :) |
| 10:45.35 | ZorbaBeta | excellent :) |
| 10:46.23 | Wildtide | i can finally add "hold shift to constrain proportions" and arrow-key movement when laying out gadgets, which was an unexpected benefit too |
| 10:47.40 | ZorbaBeta | nice :D |
| 10:49.30 | Wildtide | so, what's next now the events are done? ;) |
| 10:49.56 | Wildtide | will, one day, catch Zorba off guard and he'll tell us... |
| 10:50.14 | ZorbaBeta | optimization! that's what I wrote that entire tech post about :V |
| 10:50.29 | Wildtide | awww, that's no fun :( |
| 10:50.34 | Wildtide | we need new toys! |
| 10:51.16 | ZorbaBeta | I'm hoping to get 'em to you, but I want to work on this ASAP before the development branch and stable branch diverge too much |
| 10:51.48 | Wildtide | that was a really nice post though. i know Trion will never be as open as CCP when it comes to internals, but it made for really interesting reading |
| 10:52.32 | ZorbaBeta | funny you mention that, CCP's tech posts was actually an example given for what they wanted out of me. No promises, of course, but I'm hoping to write more stuff like that in the future |
| 10:52.51 | Ivnedar | Your fanbase will grow exponentially! |
| 10:53.18 | Wildtide | oh wow, that would be awesome |
| 10:54.02 | ZorbaBeta | but right now, the limit of what I've managed is to finally cajole a dev client into playing nice with the servers, and observing that things get surprisingly slow when you spin around real fast |
| 10:54.12 | ZorbaBeta | dunno why yet. time to experiment! though more immediately, time for bed :V |
| 10:54.31 | Ivnedar | lol, I remember that in wow, spin around real quick, get d/c'd |
| 10:55.35 | Wildtide | lol. nn Zorba :) |
| 10:55.42 | Ivnedar | nite :) |
| 10:57.32 | Wildtide | i assume it's to do with how movement gets transmitted. i know WoW just sent "start moving" and "stop moving" events, while rotation was sent as specific "face this angle" events. spinning fast must generate a massive load of facing network message |
| 10:57.46 | Wildtide | s |
| 11:02.19 | Ivnedar | yeah, probably a throttle limit |
| 11:03.16 | Ivnedar | exceed limit of actions and get booted |
| 11:05.36 | Ivnedar | always reminded me of games kids play where they spin around in circles as quickly as they can until they fall over |
| 11:11.39 | Wildtide | :) |
| 11:12.04 | Wildtide | i liked the character screen in WAR. when you spun your character round quickly, they got dizzy and looked sick |
| 11:20.01 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 11:20.21 | Ivnedar | was it wow where your character gets out a map now when you have the map open? |
| 11:20.27 | Ivnedar | something added that |
| 11:27.36 | Wildtide | no idea, but i haven't played WoW in ages |
| 11:27.56 | Ivnedar | I logged in once since Rift headstart |
| 11:28.03 | Wildtide | hehe |
| 11:28.13 | Ivnedar | sat in ironforge, looked around, did some firelands opening quests, noticed how gated it was, haven't logged in since |
| 11:28.30 | Ivnedar | had like 12 months left on sub |
| 11:30.58 | Ivnedar | oooh, hero rises temp abilities are back :D |
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| 16:05.23 | Thorarin | Weird... Bull's Eye has a REALLY large cooldown before you actually use another damaging ability |
| 16:05.35 | Thorarin | It shows 3.4e+038 seconds, lol |
| 16:23.58 | Thorarin | Hmm Zorbabeta, why do some normal printable characters like space bar return special key type values for Input.Key.Down? |
| 16:24.07 | Thorarin | Why not just " " :) |
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| 20:06.10 | ZorbaBeta | my theory was that people often refer to the "q" key as, well, the "q" key, but nobody ever refers to space as the " " key :) |
| 21:55.45 | Thorarin | Hmmf :) |
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| 22:13.43 | ZorbaTHut | hey baanano, you were the one having trouble with a spanish keyboard, right? (hoping you're around :V) |
| 22:38.24 | odine | zorba havent heard from him today |
| 23:16.39 | ZorbaTHut | well I'll just idle in here until I go home. hopefully he's got a ping that will notify him to check the channel when he's next around |
| 23:22.05 | odine | prolly not till tomm. hes 6 hrs ahead of Eastern timezone |
| 23:22.21 | odine | if i see him ill let him know |
| 23:22.28 | odine | er hear from him lol |
| 23:22.43 | odine | he was having problems btw |
| 23:23.22 | odine | i rememer him saying spanish client... keys... |
| 23:23.44 | odine | that some didnt work at all |
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| 23:43.02 | Thorarin | Argh |
| 23:43.41 | Thorarin | Zorba, I think you have replaced the screw-up-the-ability-bar with screw-up-the-bag-positions |
| 23:43.55 | Thorarin | It always used to happen, but already 10 times today |
| 23:44.30 | Thorarin | I keep resetting them, but every time they're all stacked in the bottom middle of my screen |
| 23:51.30 | seebs | I used to have this weird bug, where for any given character, zero to five bags would have the trait that they would move up about one pixel every two times they were closed and reopened. |
| 23:51.49 | seebs | And it would stay the same bags for any character for a long time, no matter what I did, but sometimes it'd be different for different characters. |