| 00:04.55 | Imhothar | "I had 10 years of C++ behind me when I found out you can put default: at the beginning of a switch, not just at the end" |
| 00:13.49 | Guest____ | sorry, I went to change my front door lock, my wife was nagging me |
| 00:13.57 | Guest____ | my name is Alton |
| 00:14.06 | Guest____ | I will change it in a sec |
| 00:14.11 | Guest____ | from guest |
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| 00:19.52 | Torhal | Imhothar: WTF? |
| 00:20.00 | Imhothar | ? |
| 00:20.08 | Torhal | The switch/default quote |
| 00:20.12 | Torhal | That's lol |
| 00:20.27 | Imhothar | it's from Andrei Alexandrescu |
| 00:20.38 | Imhothar | the number 1 guy when it comes to template metaprogramming |
| 00:21.10 | Torhal | Amazing the simple details that escape sometimes. |
| 00:23.29 | Thorarin | Indeed :P |
| 00:24.10 | Alton | is there a way to disable the default rift UI? I want to make something like Elv's ui from WoW? |
| 00:24.16 | Thorarin | Watching that GoingNative talk made me realize how rusty my C++ is tho :< |
| 00:24.22 | Imhothar | Alton: no |
| 00:24.27 | Noshei | ^ |
| 00:26.49 | Thorarin | Heh, funny, just a few lines of code basically to define Command.Event.Attach and Detach so that I can run my development version on Live too :) |
| 00:27.24 | odine | alton: a total ui replacement is aways away....... i planned on porting tukz when the time comes, but it wont be for quite awhile |
| 00:27.34 | Thorarin | Obviously not for production, but it helped me :P |
| 00:28.25 | Imhothar | let me guess, your implementation of Command.Event.Remove uses table.remove? |
| 00:28.31 | Imhothar | *Detach |
| 00:28.33 | odine | not only can we not kill off or hide native frames the API is also missing other functionality to properly port either of those |
| 00:28.40 | Thorarin | Nah |
| 00:28.53 | Thorarin | I made that mistake a long time ago :S |
| 00:29.02 | Imhothar | good boy |
| 00:29.22 | Thorarin | Just calls an unsubscribe method I already had |
| 00:30.19 | Thorarin | unsubscribe replaces the function with an empty one, and subscribe replaces empty functions with the desired function |
| 00:31.32 | Thorarin | Looks like I will have that function for some time still too... for the custom events |
| 00:33.02 | Thorarin | To be honest table.remove for events wasn't even that horrible, as long as you don't do it inside the event handler |
| 00:33.23 | Thorarin | Except some addons did other silly stuff like storing indexes :P |
| 00:33.27 | Imhothar | it is horrible |
| 00:33.39 | Imhothar | becuse of exactly that |
| 00:33.51 | Imhothar | which many addons were doing before it was spotted |
| 00:33.51 | Thorarin | Well, storing the index is equally horrible :P |
| 00:34.13 | Thorarin | It makes an assumption about the implementation which was never guaranteed |
| 00:34.46 | Imhothar | it comes from the table.insert idiom |
| 00:34.46 | Thorarin | But now we have shiny new functions anyway :> |
| 00:34.55 | Imhothar | using table.insert tells you how the table works |
| 00:35.09 | Thorarin | Same logic can be applied to table.remove :P |
| 00:35.15 | Imhothar | and the traditional antagonist of table.insert is table.remove, so it seemed natural to use it |
| 00:36.02 | Imhothar | and as Zorba's example addon used table.insert, he's basically the straw man here |
| 00:36.34 | Thorarin | Well, what else to use.. |
| 00:36.42 | Thorarin | event[] = ? |
| 00:38.24 | Thorarin | Depending in the event implementation, table.remove could have been perfectly fine though, it just wasn't :) |
| 00:39.16 | Imhothar | event[x]=true |
| 00:39.32 | Imhothar | or event[x] = f |
| 00:39.42 | Imhothar | though it might be slower to iterate |
| 00:41.07 | Thorarin | Anyway, I think gf was sort of expecting me to come to bed :P |
| 00:41.10 | Thorarin | nn |
| 00:42.10 | Imhothar | I hope I can somehow manage Visual Studio to use Clang/LLVM |
| 00:42.16 | Imhothar | Eclipse is not really an option |
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| 02:28.36 | bctrainers | <ZorbaBeta> sometimes the game industry is "fun" |
| 02:28.42 | bctrainers | game industry... fun... |
| 02:28.56 | bctrainers | Not so sure about that after a decade of being in it :p |
| 02:29.05 | bctrainers | More like stressful :D |
| 04:01.11 | ZorbaBeta | that's what the quotes are for ;) |
| 04:01.33 | Imhothar | is RiftUi dead? |
| 04:01.39 | Imhothar | Getting an error page all the time |
| 04:01.54 | Imhothar | Database error |
| 04:02.44 | Imhothar | @Cairenn, dolby |
| 04:03.09 | dolby | Hi Imhothar, yeah softlayer our datacenter is having issues |
| 04:03.13 | dolby | their vlan blew up |
| 04:03.23 | dolby | so the app server cant talk to the db right now |
| 04:03.32 | Imhothar | that is "fun" |
| 04:04.05 | dolby | they have their "network engineers" working on the problem |
| 04:04.17 | dolby | hopefully it will be fixed soon =/ |
| 04:04.26 | Imhothar | better go prepare an animal sacrifice |
| 04:04.34 | Imhothar | just in case the Machine God is unhappy |
| 04:04.57 | Noshei | lol |
| 04:05.07 | Noshei | how does a vlan blow up exactly? |
| 04:05.52 | dolby | well they say one of their backend routers is unresponsive, why their backups arent working is beyond me |
| 04:05.53 | Imhothar | lack of sacrifice to the Machine God |
| 04:05.59 | dolby | they havent released much info other than that |
| 04:08.38 | Imhothar | maybe try blood for the Blood God? |
| 04:08.51 | Imhothar | those kind of gods at least tend to answer |
| 04:19.13 | Baanano | sysadmins... they must be using the backup routers to play quake |
| 04:22.10 | Noshei | wait a minute |
| 04:22.29 | Noshei | by sysadmin do you mean network guys or server guys? |
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| 04:27.30 | Baanano | both of them, but it's just a silly generalization, don't take it seriously noshei :) |
| 04:27.58 | Noshei | yeah i know |
| 04:31.26 | Noshei | oh course any sysadmin knows that programmers are out to just make out live hell |
| 04:39.00 | Baanano | of course any programmer knows that every application issue is sysadmins' fault: application running slow = sysadmins running p2p stuff on production servers | not enough disk space = sysadmins storing too much porn on production servers |
| 04:39.23 | Noshei | oh so true |
| 04:39.40 | Noshei | thats why we tell the programmers to stop trying to run stuff on the porn servers |
| 04:42.47 | Baanano | and why you give programmers vms which could fit in an usb stick and call them high availability servers xD |
| 04:45.37 | Baanano | at least sysadmins are better than management, consultants, users and hr |
| 04:46.06 | Noshei | everyone is better than management, even users, but just barely |
| 04:50.33 | Noshei | yay, supposed to get 1 ft of snow tomorrow |
| 04:51.36 | Noshei | that 1/3 m for those of you that don't know what a ft is |
| 04:52.27 | Imhothar | my friend is a sysadmin and he wears a shirt with "I read your e-mail" |
| 04:52.34 | Imhothar | at work |
| 04:53.01 | Noshei | lol, nice |
| 05:01.52 | seebs | My immediate manager is actually a programmer, and he's been fixing bugs during our release crunch. |
| 05:01.58 | seebs | He's actually a *good* programmer, I might add. |
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| 05:50.48 | Imhothar | hmm so I learned an important C++ detail from those keynotes |
| 05:51.22 | Imhothar | a function declaration can live with forward declaration of its symbols even if those are by value |
| 05:52.16 | Imhothar | i.e. A foo(B b, C c); doesn't need the full declarations of A, B and C even though it's not references or pointers |
| 05:53.44 | Imhothar | Somehow I was always under the assumption it works with & and * only. That might explain my compile times |
| 06:04.05 | seebs | That's... surprising to me. |
| 06:04.22 | seebs | Oh, wait. *declaration*, yeah. |
| 06:04.25 | seebs | I think. |
| 06:04.27 | seebs | *thinks* |
| 06:04.42 | seebs | I'm not actually sure. I think you need a complete type for a non-pointer argument. |
| 06:04.52 | seebs | Well, in C. C++ is magic. |
| 06:05.14 | Imhothar | That's what I thought too, have to try it out |
| 06:05.34 | Imhothar | but it makes sense, cause the declaration doesn't create any code |
| 06:05.53 | seebs | It doesn't itself, but what happens if you try to call it? |
| 06:06.02 | Imhothar | well then you need it of course |
| 06:06.11 | Imhothar | but you can move includes from .h to .cpp |
| 06:06.34 | seebs | struct foo; struct foo x(void); void y(struct foo); int myfunc(void) { y(x()); return 0; } |
| 06:06.37 | Imhothar | bloaing includes is a major timesink on compile times |
| 06:06.58 | seebs | It seems to me that you can't possibly generate code for this. |
| 06:07.18 | Imhothar | the translation unit reading myFunc needs the includes of course |
| 06:07.40 | Imhothar | but translation units which don't invoke foo() or y don't |
| 06:07.51 | Imhothar | I mean x and y |
| 06:09.43 | Imhothar | the drawback is the header fiels containing the x and y decalrations aren't compilable in isolation anymore |
| 06:10.06 | Imhothar | if x and y are invoked |
| 06:12.34 | seebs | It is so rare that I hear anyone else use the term "translation unit". |
| 06:12.49 | Imhothar | oh? |
| 06:16.26 | seebs | Yeah. Apart from the people at our compiler vendor, and one coworker who did standards stuff, most of the programmers I know don't have that distinction. |
| 06:17.30 | dolby | riftui back up :) |
| 06:18.26 | Imhothar | yay |
| 06:19.47 | Imhothar | seebs: I can't really imagine a C/C++ dev who doesn't know the implications of how the compiler works? Translation units are a fundamental way these languages are built |
| 06:20.22 | seebs | Most people are aware of the "each .c makes a .o separately" thing, but not that many know the term "translation unit" for this. |
| 06:21.01 | Imhothar | they should |
| 06:21.07 | Imhothar | but I agree, many don't |
| 06:22.25 | seebs | So, a lot of gaming keyboards have "macro" functionality. So far as I can tell, this comes in two categories: (1) Things which are bannable offenses in MMOs. (2) Things that do not actually create any additional benefit. |
| 06:22.31 | seebs | I must be missing something. |
| 06:24.03 | Imhothar | my friend had a macro key that hit 1 every 1.3 seconds in wow to cast a shadow bolt in bossfights, as that was basically his entire job in TBC |
| 06:24.19 | Imhothar | dunno if that is bannable, as it's no real balangce changer |
| 06:25.09 | seebs | It's... sort of on the edge. It technically violates the rule, because it's automated play. Even though, as you note, it doesn't change stuff much. |
| 06:25.41 | seebs | Last I heard, Rift will disconnect people for that, and possibly temp-ban accounts, but people who ask for exceptions can usually get them, presumably for accessibility reasons. |
| 06:39.33 | Torhal | Since it's an actual keyboard event, though, the only way to detect that is to record everything and look for a perfect pattern. |
| 06:40.39 | Imhothar | for those repeated key strokes it isn't very difficult |
| 06:41.54 | Imhothar | if the hardware can't be programmed with some sort of random offset |
| 06:42.31 | Imhothar | then it's a low pass filter before a moving average might be a good start to find frequent regularities |
| 06:43.05 | Imhothar | it's certainly much harder in practice |
| 06:43.18 | Imhothar | and I'm glad I don't need to deal with such stuff |
| 07:01.38 | Imhothar | "You remember synchronous code? That's the kind you can read." |
| 07:45.48 | seebs | Huh. Went away, made food, came back, got objects disappearing occasionally. |
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| 11:26.21 | Ivnedar | wish I knew why Goloch screwed with kbm so badly |
| 11:26.31 | Ivnedar | It's like the buff add/remove events are misfiring |
| 11:26.35 | Ivnedar | or firing out of order |
| 11:29.32 | Ivnedar | ooh, maybe it's firing multiple times, that would explain it |
| 11:30.18 | Ivnedar | That time I had 3 buff add events in a row for the same tank, 3 different buff ids |
| 11:43.27 | Ivnedar | karuul broken too |
| 11:48.50 | Ivnedar | ui is broken too |
| 11:48.57 | Ivnedar | can see the buff stack amount going up and down |
| 13:01.36 | Ivnedar | ahh, ok |
| 13:01.46 | Ivnedar | every time it switches stack amounts, and new buff id is created |
| 13:01.54 | Ivnedar | hrrm, maybe not every time |
| 13:01.58 | Ivnedar | scratches head |
| 13:02.18 | Ivnedar | occasionally there's a change event |
| 13:02.23 | Ivnedar | ususally it's a remove/add |
| 13:02.30 | Ivnedar | with a new buffid for every stack level |
| 13:04.51 | Ivnedar | and when there is a change event, there are 5-10 of them fired within that second |
| 13:05.03 | Ivnedar | finally resulting in a remove |
| 13:05.08 | Ivnedar | oooh, that'll be stacks falling off |
| 13:05.21 | Ivnedar | that's horrible :( |
| 13:07.17 | Ivnedar | if stacks going up, remove event fires, add event fires with new buffid |
| 13:07.49 | Ivnedar | if debuff timer reached and stacks are to drop off, a change event is fired for each stack as it falls off, then a remove event when the debuff finally goes away |
| 13:07.53 | Ivnedar | all in the same second |
| 13:08.48 | Ivnedar | kbm and karuulalert have a heartattack |
| 13:10.11 | Ivnedar | seems to only happen like that on goloch? |
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| 13:26.10 | Ivnedar | hrrm, vague memory of a change to buff events |
| 13:26.12 | Ivnedar | goes looking |
| 13:27.41 | Ivnedar | Removing a stack of a buff will now correctly trigger a Event.Buff.Add event following its Event.Buff.Remove event. |
| 13:27.49 | Ivnedar | doesn't look like it does |
| 13:28.07 | Ivnedar | or something weird is happening :( |
| 13:34.30 | Ivnedar | same thing happens normally, so it's not that |
| 13:41.46 | Ivnedar | goes off to play with buff stacks more |
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| 22:28.31 | odine | man ps4 is gonna be shit |
| 22:28.45 | odine | no backwards compat, new controllers are bad too |
| 22:28.59 | Imhothar | the only console I ever had was the SNES and I don't think that is gonna change for a while ;) |
| 22:29.05 | odine | heh |
| 22:29.11 | Imhothar | it's still the best after all |
| 22:29.21 | odine | i have wii u i just modded for my snes collection |
| 22:29.37 | Imhothar | Nothing beats the SNES |
| 22:29.47 | odine | but as for ps4.... 4 in japan means death |
| 22:30.09 | Imhothar | Yeah, and 80% of all buildings in the US with more than 13 floors don't have floor number 13 |
| 22:30.12 | Imhothar | superstition ftw |
| 22:30.20 | odine | lol i know |
| 22:30.58 | Imhothar | new Las Vegas airport terminal has 15 gates, except there is no 13, so in facts its 14. But after 12 still comes 13 so it doesn't change anything |
| 22:31.21 | Imhothar | there are really people who refuse to board a plane from gate 13 |
| 22:32.03 | Imhothar | maybe that's why they don't have the 24 hour clock, imagine planes taking off between 13:00 and 13:59 |
| 22:32.13 | Imhothar | the horror! |
| 22:33.07 | odine | lmao |
| 22:33.16 | odine | i dont believe in any of that crap |
| 22:33.31 | odine | but ifind it entertaining for those that do |
| 22:33.53 | Imhothar | heh, I could ask a dangerous question now |
| 22:35.29 | odine | hmmm |
| 22:35.35 | odine | go for it |
| 22:35.42 | Imhothar | what about god? |
| 22:35.49 | odine | what god? |
| 22:35.55 | Imhothar | very good |
| 22:36.06 | odine | the god that causes war and cacer? |
| 22:36.11 | odine | cancer |
| 22:36.25 | odine | what kind of god would do that |
| 22:36.37 | Imhothar | the one of the bible, obviously. just go read it |
| 22:36.49 | odine | i was raised catholic |
| 22:36.54 | odine | i know of it |
| 22:37.28 | Imhothar | at least you found reason |
| 22:37.36 | odine | oh ya i did |
| 22:38.28 | odine | off to play secret of mana bbl :) |
| 22:38.42 | Imhothar | oh how jealous I am |
| 22:38.58 | odine | havent played in so long |
| 22:39.05 | odine | and with nerve dmg in left hand |
| 22:39.11 | odine | i think i can manage that :) |
| 22:39.30 | Imhothar | enjoy |
| 22:45.11 | Ivnedar | hrrm, so if 3 Event.Buff.Add events fire, with 3 different buffids, same buff type, same content, same caster, should I ignore the other two? |
| 22:45.31 | Ivnedar | ui seems to throw away the first two |
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| 23:36.30 | Thorarin | \o/ |
| 23:36.32 | Thorarin | Upgrading Linux from 32-bit to 64-bit is a bit of a pain :P |
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