| 00:07.40 | odine | any NA raiders in here that need a mage (prefer playing chloro) that have semi decent progression? |
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| 00:40.02 | seebs | I maintain a bunch of utility stuff and libraries, plus Merisioux. |
| 02:24.45 | Ivnedar | wooo, new dorf racial |
| 06:11.21 | Thorarin | What, instead of falling damage thingy? |
| 06:11.45 | Thorarin | I must say I find the lack of falling damage a bit silly :P |
| 06:17.19 | seebs | It sorta is, although I don't really mind it; TSW is the same way, and I like it there. |
| 06:17.35 | seebs | CoH, I think, had falling damage but it could never EVER kill you. Although it could leave you weak enough that anything else could kill you. |
| 06:18.11 | seebs | wandering off, it's looking like the flu shot is, as always, giving me mild fevers and stupid |
| 06:18.19 | Ivnedar | d'oh |
| 06:18.30 | Ivnedar | It's finally cooling down here, 45C is just silly |
| 06:19.13 | Thorarin | You can have some of our cold :< |
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| 09:06.41 | wildtide | Baanano, I never got chance to try that fix last night. Tried to download it this morning, but I either remembered the filename wrong, or it's not there any more |
| 09:09.48 | wildtide | i was healing one of my guild tanks in EC. i have no idea why, but she manages to take about 4 times more damage than any of our other ones. it makes it a very long and painful process :) |
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| 10:40.19 | Wildtide | ZorbaTHut: if you're around... what would be the impact of me creating ~ 100 invisible textures, each one 128x128, in order to cache them? |
| 10:53.45 | ZorbaTHut | totally reasonable. if you want to save a little CPU, make them all children of a single :SetVisible(false) frame |
| 10:53.54 | ZorbaTHut | that way it won't bother traversing them when doing prep for rendering |
| 10:54.13 | ZorbaTHut | that is in fact the intended way of preloading textures atm, so :) |
| 11:09.00 | Wildtide | excellent, thanks Zorba |
| 11:18.19 | Wildtide | is there a point where you'd start to get concerned about addon memory? |
| 11:19.25 | ZorbaTHut | tough to say. we already have EOM crashes even without addons. I guess I'd say, keep it within reasonable limits for the kind of addon you're making - I'd expect bananah to use a lot more RAM than gadgets, for example |
| 11:20.04 | Wildtide | ok, that makes sense |
| 11:21.10 | Wildtide | i'll have to do some measurements. 0.5mb of pngs on disk, i guess becomes a lot more when all loaded and uncompressed? |
| 11:21.42 | ZorbaTHut | shouldn't be all that much more. and I believe the addon memory measurement is actually quite good at calculating memory |
| 11:21.55 | ZorbaTHut | so, y'know, try it and see what happens :) |
| 11:22.06 | ZorbaTHut | depends on the pngs also, I suppose. |
| 11:23.17 | Wildtide | yep. i'll keep an eye on it. these are just circular gauges, so they compress really well (lots of empty space) |
| 11:25.29 | Wildtide | i would really like to be able to tint them. i'm going to stick with white ones for now rather than render loads of different coloured versions, but it would be nice to eventually be able to put a blue mana ring inside a green/white health ring, without needing hundreds of images |
| 11:26.04 | Wildtide | unfortunately, not being square, i can't use the usual alpha blended overlay :( |
| 11:54.13 | Noshei | Wildtide: did you change the font size on buffs |
| 12:01.00 | Noshei | specifically on bars, cause the font is huge now |
| 12:01.12 | Ivnedar | That'd be the current Text frame bug won't it? |
| 12:01.26 | Noshei | ah |
| 13:03.42 | Wildtide | yep, i didn't change anything, fonts are a little broken right now. i'm hoping Zorba is able to get a fix out fairly quickly, 'cos i really don't want to hack a load of workarounds in there |
| 13:08.42 | Ivnedar | I don't suppose ZorbaTHut can put together an addon that puts in a temporary work around? |
| 13:08.47 | Ivnedar | until a client fix can come out |
| 13:09.10 | Ivnedar | I assume he'd have the best idea of what would impact performance the least |
| 13:10.18 | Ivnedar | toss in a wrapper for the SetFont* functions |
| 13:24.08 | ZorbaTHut | I hear it'll probably be monday or tuesday. To be honest, though, the bug's wacky enough that I don't have a good low-impact fix |
| 13:31.08 | Ivnedar | Should calling GetFont* give the old answer or new answer after the Set? |
| 13:31.23 | Ivnedar | Was getting inconsistent results earlier |
| 13:33.10 | Ivnedar | I was hoping to call get on each of the things that could change, then do the set, then call get again and compare |
| 13:33.18 | Ivnedar | assuming that would be cheaper than calling set blindly |
| 13:33.58 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, good question. should be the old answer - I believe that's all cached |
| 13:34.05 | ZorbaTHut | (trying to extricate it from scaleform would be a nightmare) |
| 13:34.07 | Ivnedar | yeah, so won't help |
| 13:34.50 | Ivnedar | so the bug is on that side of the cache, ok |
| 13:36.50 | Ivnedar | Next potential work around, is the bug picking up the font settings from the previous call to color when setting font, regardless of what frame it's set on? |
| 13:37.25 | Ivnedar | if so, could keep a global copy every time SetFont* is called, and compare the results of GetFont* to those when setting, reduce the calls to Set to only if needed |
| 13:38.14 | ZorbaTHut | to be honest, the answer is "it's complicated and depends on a lot of internal state that you don't really have access to". the layer tries to defer a lot of things as late as possible to cut down on overhead, but that means you can't really predict what order things will fire in |
| 13:39.07 | ZorbaTHut | I can completely believe that someone could come up with a super-slow 100% fix, or a relatively fast 95% fix, but I'm not sure how plausible it would be to make a relatively fast 100% fix. |
| 13:39.39 | Ivnedar | It's a problem that gives me something to think about while raiding :D |
| 13:44.12 | ZorbaTHut | well, good luck ^^ |
| 13:44.23 | Ivnedar | hee hee, thanks :) |
| 13:44.36 | Ivnedar | Doubt I'll get anywhere before being distracted by something else |
| 13:45.09 | Wildtide | Zorba, when you say you don't have a good low impact fix, is that Lua side, or client code side? |
| 13:45.52 | Ivnedar | My terrible idea so far was to replace UI.CreateFrame with a wrapper that replaces the SetFont functions on every Text type frame it creates |
| 13:46.01 | Ivnedar | and loop over the existing frames and replaces those too |
| 13:46.03 | Ivnedar | on startup |
| 13:46.20 | ZorbaTHut | wildtide, lua-side - there's already a fix checked into the codebase and it should be included in the next patch |
| 13:46.27 | Wildtide | Semele was trying something similar with code on the forum, and i think Baanano may have done something similar |
| 13:46.35 | Wildtide | ZorbaTHut, cool, that's a relief :) |
| 13:46.40 | Ivnedar | Yeah, a few people playing around with similar ideas |
| 13:46.41 | ZorbaTHut | all that said I'm off to bed, cya all :) |
| 13:46.46 | Ivnedar | nite! :) |
| 13:46.47 | Wildtide | i'll just leave my stuff untouched then |
| 13:46.49 | Wildtide | nn |
| 13:47.43 | Wildtide | the problem with any of us fiddling with UI.CreateFrame, is that the code is likely to get left behind long after the problem has disappeared |
| 13:47.54 | Ivnedar | Yup |
| 13:48.07 | Ivnedar | It'd need to check current patch level |
| 13:48.16 | Ivnedar | And not run if it's > current version |
| 13:48.31 | Ivnedar | hrrm, can we pull back patch level at hotfix level? |
| 13:48.43 | Wildtide | aye. personally, i just don't think it's worth doing anything. it'll be fixed and forgotten in a week |
| 13:49.09 | Wildtide | not sure we can actually. i haven't really played with pulling out versions of rift though |
| 13:49.21 | Ivnedar | Inspect.System.Version() works fine |
| 13:49.35 | Wildtide | was just looking at that :) |
| 13:49.40 | Ivnedar | hardcode the internal version string |
| 13:49.50 | Ivnedar | STABLE-201-16-A-768155 |
| 13:49.59 | Ivnedar | if it doesn't match that, don't do anything |
| 13:50.03 | Ivnedar | should kill itself then |
| 13:50.08 | Wildtide | sounds like a plan |
| 13:50.14 | Ivnedar | Even if no one deletes it |
| 14:05.39 | Wildtide | cor, getting sent home due to heavy snow here. laters folks :) |
| 15:08.15 | Ivnedar | Hrrm, TextFix addon seems to work |
| 15:21.38 | Baanano | hehe i gave mine the same name |
| 15:22.03 | Ivnedar | :) |
| 15:22.11 | Ivnedar | Works fine for everything that didn't happen before it loaded |
| 15:22.26 | Ivnedar | Oh, I know, I can just hook it into the first addon load event! |
| 15:31.26 | Ivnedar | How are you ensuring your fixed version is used by other addons initialising? |
| 15:38.51 | Ivnedar | http://pastebin.com/CFtR7934 |
| 15:38.55 | Ivnedar | that's what I ended up with |
| 15:39.10 | Ivnedar | But it won't fix text frames that have already hit the bug before addon init ends |
| 15:39.20 | Baanano | i just add optional-after dependencies |
| 15:40.24 | Baanano | this is my best attempt http://pastebin.com/tDBE3jxw |
| 15:46.11 | Ivnedar | Oh, Height and Width change too? |
| 15:46.12 | Ivnedar | wee |
| 15:47.45 | Ivnedar | Interesting, my one fixes kbm but breaks gadgets ... |
| 15:48.03 | Ivnedar | Things seem to get more and more random until quitting client and starting over |
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| 16:33.20 | seebs | wtf |
| 16:33.29 | seebs | ... Wait, which Trion location is Rift again? |
| 16:33.43 | seebs | Because they have a bunch of job listings in San Diego now. Although I think that's actually a different team, maybe. |
| 16:38.03 | Baanano | i think it's redwood |
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| 20:31.30 | odine | afternoon |
| 20:32.31 | odine | kk |
| 20:32.33 | odine | i was jw |
| 20:47.57 | odine | Happy Friday! |
| 22:07.49 | ZorbaTHut | San Diego is the Defiance team |
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