| 00:00.44 | Baanano | and to generate that timestamp i should use os.time({year=2013, month=1, day=6, hour=22, min=30}), for example, and the timestamp would be that hour according to my timezone ? |
| 00:04.00 | Imhothar | no, use os.date() for that |
| 00:04.33 | Imhothar | hm give me a sec |
| 00:05.50 | Imhothar | you can't give os.time() any tiemzone info, so that's always UTC |
| 00:08.54 | Baanano | hm |
| 00:09.07 | Imhothar | os.date can do both, local or utc |
| 00:09.28 | Baanano | with the ! prefix |
| 00:10.17 | Imhothar | lua> print(os.date("%z")) |
| 00:10.17 | lua_bot | Imhothar: +0000 |
| 00:10.26 | Imhothar | damn that won't help |
| 00:11.04 | Imhothar | there must be an easy way |
| 00:11.57 | Baanano | "%z" on RIFT prints "Hora estándar romance", so it wouldn't help :P |
| 00:12.17 | Imhothar | %z is not available in windows |
| 00:12.48 | Baanano | anyway, we don't have any player in the guild that lives outside mainland spain |
| 00:12.53 | Imhothar | lua> print(os.date()) |
| 00:12.54 | lua_bot | Imhothar: Sun Jan 6 00:01:54 2013 |
| 00:13.12 | Baanano | lua bot is on GMT |
| 00:13.21 | Imhothar | obviously |
| 00:13.31 | Imhothar | but the server time is a bit off |
| 00:13.38 | Baanano | and 12 mins retarded |
| 00:13.56 | Imhothar | time skew ftw |
| 00:14.13 | Imhothar | I guess what you're looking for is convert a date in local timezone to unix |
| 00:14.22 | Baanano | yes |
| 00:14.43 | Imhothar | well you could find out the timezone difference |
| 00:15.06 | Imhothar | lua> print(os.difftime(os.time(), os.time(os.date("*t")))) |
| 00:15.06 | lua_bot | Imhothar: 0 |
| 00:15.28 | Imhothar | that code should give you the timezone difference, be usre to take DST in account |
| 00:16.06 | Imhothar | then you can do os.time({year=2013, month=1, day=6, hour=22, min=30}) + difference |
| 00:16.45 | Imhothar | and add 3600 if os.date().dst is true |
| 00:16.52 | Imhothar | or subtract, I'm never sure with DST |
| 00:17.21 | Baanano | damn dst, as if it wasn't tricky enough with timezones |
| 00:18.19 | Imhothar | maybe you need to swap the difftime arguments, I'm really not sure right now |
| 00:18.54 | Imhothar | yes you need to swap it |
| 00:20.02 | Baanano | os.difftime(os.time(os.date("*t")), Inspect.Time.Server()) then? |
| 00:20.16 | Baanano | wouldn't *t take care of dst? |
| 00:21.18 | Imhothar | no, *t returns a table thich says whether dst is on or not |
| 00:21.34 | Imhothar | hmm but maybe os.time() treats it |
| 00:21.51 | Imhothar | it does according to the docs |
| 00:21.54 | Imhothar | guess you have to try |
| 00:22.09 | Imhothar | i.e. wait for 3 months |
| 00:22.09 | Baanano | lua> local t = os.date() t.isdst = true print(os.time(t)) |
| 00:22.10 | lua_bot | Baanano: luabot:1: attempt to index local 't' (a string value) |
| 00:22.24 | Baanano | lua> local t = os.date() t.isdst = true print(os.date("%c", t)) |
| 00:22.25 | lua_bot | Baanano: luabot:1: attempt to index local 't' (a string value) |
| 00:22.38 | Baanano | >_< it's too late to think |
| 00:22.56 | Imhothar | lua> local t = os.date("*t") t.isdst = true print(os.date("%c", t)) |
| 00:22.56 | lua_bot | Imhothar: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'date' (number expected, got table) |
| 00:23.15 | Baanano | lua> local t = os.date("*t") t.isdst = true print(os.date("%c", os.time(t))) |
| 00:23.16 | lua_bot | Baanano: Sun Jan 6 00:12:16 2013 |
| 00:23.17 | Imhothar | lua> local t = os.date("*t") t.isdst = true print(os.date("%c", os.time(t))) |
| 00:23.18 | lua_bot | Imhothar: Sun Jan 6 00:12:18 2013 |
| 00:23.40 | Imhothar | lua> local t = os.date("*t") t.isdst = false print(os.date("%c", os.time(t))) |
| 00:23.40 | lua_bot | Imhothar: Sun Jan 6 00:12:40 2013 |
| 00:24.16 | Imhothar | either os.time or os.date doesn't care |
| 00:24.29 | Baanano | on RIFT it does |
| 00:25.01 | Imhothar | lua> print(_VERSION) |
| 00:25.02 | lua_bot | Imhothar: Lua 5.1 |
| 00:26.07 | Imhothar | lua> print(os.getenv("PATH")) |
| 00:26.07 | lua_bot | Imhothar: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'getenv' (a nil value) |
| 00:26.11 | Imhothar | oooh |
| 00:26.23 | Imhothar | how evil |
| 00:26.40 | Ivnedar | isdst is usually ignored when back converting |
| 00:27.30 | Imhothar | too bad the behavior is OS dependent |
| 00:27.44 | Ivnedar | though in that case, it's more likely that the timezone lua_bot is in doesn't have dst? |
| 00:28.02 | Imhothar | DST is not related to timezones |
| 00:28.11 | Imhothar | but countries/regions |
| 00:30.24 | Baanano | timestamp = os.time({year=2013, month=1, day=1, hour = 22, min = 30, isdst = os.date("*t").isdst}) + os.difftime(Inspect.Time.Server(), os.time(os.date("*t"))) |
| 00:30.29 | Baanano | >_< |
| 00:31.43 | Imhothar | I would use os.time() instead of server time |
| 00:32.12 | Ivnedar | why? |
| 00:32.15 | Imhothar | because os.date and os.time() are OS dependent |
| 00:32.43 | Imhothar | doing all computations on the OS is less riky |
| 00:32.52 | Imhothar | +same |
| 00:33.03 | Ivnedar | I guess if you assume that everyone in the guild is in the same timezone |
| 00:33.11 | Imhothar | I'm talking about OS |
| 00:33.23 | Imhothar | as in operating system |
| 00:33.49 | Ivnedar | we're talking about a guild calendar, right? |
| 00:33.51 | Baanano | I think Inspect.Time.Server doesn't do a server request, if you change your system clock while ingame, it changes too |
| 00:34.02 | Imhothar | Inspect.Time.Server() is the unix epoch, so it's timezone doesn't matter at all |
| 00:34.10 | Imhothar | all you need to do is get the unix epoch locally |
| 00:34.39 | Baanano | yeah, Ivnedar, guild calendar |
| 00:35.05 | Imhothar | and to accomplish that, you better do all necessary computaitons locally on the same OS with the same datetime functions and compare it to the server as the last step |
| 00:35.51 | Imhothar | do get the time skwe between client and server simply do Inspect.Time.Server() - os.time() |
| 00:36.09 | Imhothar | that has no longer anything to do with tiemzones |
| 00:37.58 | Imhothar | Ivnedar, if Baanano intends to release the addon he can't make the assumption everyone's in the same timezone |
| 00:37.58 | Baanano | Inspect.Time.Server() + os.time({year=2013, month=1, day=1, hour = 22, min = 30, isdst = os.date("*t").isdst}) - os.time() |
| 00:38.11 | Imhothar | take the US, where there's 3 of them |
| 00:38.35 | Imhothar | and not all states in the US have DST, so it's all screwed up |
| 00:39.07 | Baanano | it's for my guild only, but we could recruit somebody from south america |
| 00:40.23 | Imhothar | just thinking about Europe, where people from all kinds of countries play on the english servers |
| 00:40.50 | Imhothar | from portigal all way over to the eastern block |
| 00:41.52 | Baanano | i'm not comfortable with the isdst = os.date("*t").isdst part, what if i set up an event now, but the future date is after a dst change? |
| 00:42.19 | Imhothar | as long as the unix timestamp doesn't change rou're good |
| 00:42.48 | Ivnedar | So if you create an event for 7pm next week, dst kicks in, your event is now 8pm |
| 00:43.06 | Imhothar | always remember the unix timestamp is completely independent of timezones or DST, and to account for DST changes between now and then you'd need more access to the datetime system |
| 00:43.45 | Ivnedar | you need to pull back isdst from the future timestamp |
| 00:44.11 | Imhothar | and yes Ivnedar is right, you'd need to add a warning somewhere that all dates need to be checked when DST changes |
| 00:44.30 | Ivnedar | And then work out how to deal with it when dst boundaries change between when an event is created and when dst kicks in |
| 00:46.32 | Imhothar | hmm wait a sec |
| 00:46.36 | Ivnedar | Probably worth storing the time/date/timezone as a description string with the event |
| 00:46.46 | Imhothar | you could save the unix timestamp AND the date string for each entry |
| 00:46.48 | Ivnedar | so humans can at least resolve when it was meant to be |
| 00:47.25 | Imhothar | if you find out the entered date no longer produces the same unix timestamp you could give the player a warning |
| 00:47.37 | Ivnedar | yeah, was just typing that :) |
| 00:47.58 | Baanano | there's a tight space constraint on guild storage :P |
| 00:48.06 | Imhothar | problem is that only works for the player who created the event |
| 00:48.41 | Imhothar | DST is a major bitch |
| 00:49.17 | Imhothar | it doesn't begin/end the same day everywhere and it just screws up everything |
| 00:49.53 | Ivnedar | server time switches the next restart after dst or as soon as dst kicks in? |
| 00:50.02 | Imhothar | server time doesn't change |
| 00:50.17 | Imhothar | at least Inspect.Time.Server doesn't |
| 00:50.27 | Ivnedar | displayed server time, not epoch timestamp |
| 00:50.33 | Imhothar | and what you see ingame is your local time afaik |
| 00:50.43 | Ivnedar | Most guilds I've been in schedule things based on servertime |
| 00:50.49 | Ivnedar | nah |
| 00:50.53 | Ivnedar | switch it to server time |
| 00:50.58 | Imhothar | hmm wait I think server time ingame is UTC |
| 00:50.59 | Ivnedar | It's a toggle |
| 00:51.02 | Ivnedar | nope |
| 00:51.11 | Ivnedar | local time of the server |
| 00:51.14 | Ivnedar | dst applies too |
| 00:51.43 | Ivnedar | lots of fun working out when a raid is when local dst and server dst are a week apart and going in opposite directions :) |
| 00:51.50 | Imhothar | most servers operate in UTC for exactly that reason |
| 00:52.04 | Imhothar | what they display is a different thing though |
| 00:52.07 | Imhothar | hmm |
| 00:53.38 | Imhothar | have you tried whether querying a future summer date with os.date() has isdst true or false? |
| 00:55.44 | Imhothar | lua> print(os.date(, "*t", os.time({year=2013, month=8 day=1}).isdst) |
| 00:55.45 | lua_bot | Imhothar: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ',' |
| 00:55.59 | Imhothar | lua> print(os.date("*t", os.time({year=2013, month=8, day=1}).isdst) |
| 00:55.59 | lua_bot | Imhothar: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 00:56.09 | Imhothar | lua> print(os.date("*t", os.time({year=2013, month=8, day=1})).isdst) |
| 00:56.09 | lua_bot | Imhothar: false |
| 00:57.48 | Baanano | RIFT shows true |
| 00:59.10 | Imhothar | and false for today? now we need to test it on all 3 OSs |
| 00:59.35 | Baanano | yeah, false for january dates |
| 00:59.49 | Baanano | does RIFT run on other OS? |
| 01:00.30 | Imhothar | I believed so |
| 01:00.37 | Ivnedar | not officially |
| 01:00.44 | Ivnedar | you need to emulate a pc |
| 02:16.29 | odine | andddddddd im back... time to work on ur suggestions imho |
| 02:17.28 | odine | im coming in seeing questions regarding os.date stuff... ban.. what u working on trying to accomplish? maybe i can help since im working on the same similar project in some forms |
| 02:36.21 | odine | Imho u still around? |
| 02:37.38 | odine | or could someone else maybe point me in the right direction on learning on metatables... thats where i go completely braind dead.. have no idea how they function... i want to try re-writing SetVisible for something im working on, and im told its possible with metatables, but im lost as to where to start? |
| 02:56.21 | Baanano | http://www.lua.org/pil/13.html |
| 02:57.09 | Baanano | dunno how Imhothar manipulates the frames metatables, maybe you could search in LibAsyncTextures code |
| 03:03.16 | odine | sweet ill start looking there thanks |
| 03:03.36 | odine | u having problems with os.dates and times it looks like huh? |
| 03:17.56 | Baanano | i think i have that part ok now, working on the UI now |
| 03:19.01 | odine | ok good. the libasync info helped thanks for that.. i know what i need to do now |
| 03:19.25 | Baanano | nice :) |
| 03:40.12 | odine | so what kind of progress have u made? perhaps i should just pick up another project at this point lol? i mean cant say i see a reason for two of us developing the same addon ;) |
| 03:42.57 | Baanano | i have the logic ready and unit tested, building the UI now |
| 03:43.25 | Baanano | anyway, i don't want to release it, as I don't want to maintain it :P |
| 04:15.03 | Ivnedar | I assume there's no pattern to item type ids |
| 04:15.22 | Ivnedar | so there's no way to determine what the string would be with a particular rune or augment |
| 04:18.07 | Baanano | no, unless you could figure how the second part of the itemType is generated :( |
| 04:18.40 | Ivnedar | Wasn't sure if it was worth trying to work out, especially if someone had looked already |
| 04:19.02 | Ivnedar | or if it'd been confirmed by ZorbaTHut that it's completely random |
| 04:20.46 | Baanano | he hasn't said anything explicitly |
| 04:22.06 | Baanano | http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/addon-api-development/299183-item-type.html#post3607150 |
| 04:32.07 | Ivnedar | Ah yes, I had read that but forgot about it. Thanks :) |
| 04:34.32 | Ivnedar | Well that's an annoying bug |
| 04:34.40 | Ivnedar | not addon related though :P |
| 04:41.12 | Ivnedar | well, not directly anyway, picked up via addon |
| 04:41.25 | Ivnedar | achievement credit for doing Ashora IAs stops once hitting glorified |
| 04:41.38 | Ivnedar | Couldn't work out why my tracking addon had stopped |
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| 05:37.11 | odine | Baanano: considering if this idea imho gave me doesnt work, im lookin at starting over, which i may not wanna do lol... TLDR if its just that u dont wanna mange and upkeep it, id be willing to do so when the time came =P |
| 12:16.18 | Ivnedar | btw, if you want some fun, put a snowman down at the same place as a mailbox |
| 12:16.25 | Ivnedar | the snowman will wear the mailbox as a hat |
| 12:16.42 | Ivnedar | changes the mailbox's y axis :P |
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| 17:35.31 | odine | gooood morning.. |
| 17:35.34 | odine | erm... afternoon |
| 17:41.10 | Baanano | hi odine |
| 17:43.47 | odine | :) |
| 17:44.32 | odine | u happen to catch my messages last night? i was conisdering just dumping my guild calendar project in the mean time, and if u want i would maintain it for you down the road.. i just find it silly for two of us to be working on the same project when there are so many other needs addon wise |
| 17:46.10 | odine | on another note why do so many people like the linux editor vi? |
| 17:46.15 | odine | personally i cant stand it |
| 18:06.42 | odine | personal unix/linux editor of choice.... GO! |
| 18:09.22 | Baanano | joe |
| 18:09.36 | odine | least it was vi |
| 18:09.38 | odine | lol |
| 18:09.39 | odine | i hate vi |
| 18:09.44 | odine | *wasnt |
| 18:09.50 | odine | same with emacs |
| 18:09.55 | odine | dunno why i just do |
| 18:10.20 | odine | if i had only a choice of vi... id use notepad++ for everything and upload it after the fact lmao |
| 18:10.41 | odine | laugh all u want, but i prefer pico |
| 18:11.02 | odine | probably because i leanred linux in high school and that was what we used |
| 18:12.30 | odine | anyways back to rift stuff..... if u decide u want a maintainer for ur current project down the road keep me in mind.... im gonna start working on a guildmanager addon.... kind of an improvment to the regular guild window... |
| 18:15.25 | odine | but im not totally out of the water on the guildcalendar yet.,.. i was able to look at imhos libasync, and figure out how to redo setvisible via the metatables... this is my last hope and not having to a total rewrite which i wanna avoid.. the best that came out of this though is i think i finally broke my habbit of programming like im writing a wow addon so it was a good experience either |
| 18:15.25 | odine | way |
| 18:19.21 | odine | http://pastebin.com/ChhENnHU -- thats my current code bits regarding modifying SetVisible... just brain farting how to get the original function still involved.... |
| 18:20.04 | Baanano | i can send you the code of mine, when I finish it, if you want, so you can expand it, copy the parts that interest you or just ignore it |
| 18:20.53 | odine | that would be great... i had a shit ton of ideas for the calendar... i wanna link alts and mains, and i want PA progress to be shown when someone "signs up" so officers can see the effort they put into progressing characters, etc etc |
| 18:21.47 | odine | mind taking a look at that pastebin real quick though? at this point this is lil project to learn a bit more how metatabes function |
| 18:26.30 | odine | anyways ya take a look at that if u get a chance, and also, how come u dont wanna maintain it? enuf on your plate with the AH addon im guessing? |
| 18:26.32 | Baanano | local OLD = frame:SetVisible -- this fires an error |
| 18:26.37 | Baanano | should be frame.SetVisible |
| 18:26.51 | odine | ahh derp lol |
| 18:27.44 | odine | ya that fixed it thanks :) |
| 18:27.57 | Baanano | function public.SetVisible(frame, visible) |
| 18:27.59 | Baanano | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.00 | Baanano | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.02 | Baanano | end |
| 18:28.38 | odine | right that much i got... just derped on the : to . |
| 18:28.48 | odine | thanks for noticing that sometimes just need another eye |
| 18:42.43 | odine | hmmmmmm |
| 18:43.09 | odine | it seems like local OLD = frame.SetVisible isnt storing the old function for w/e reason.... |
| 19:06.51 | odine | man im definitly picking up my lua book today and learning more about metatables.. hate asking, but now... after the fix you pointed out... neither calling oldFunc(frame, visible) or return oldFunc(frame,visible) work - u can imagine how other addons are reacting as well.... http://pastebin.com/cAD3Xg3K |
| 19:09.38 | Baanano | maybe local oldFunc = frame.__index.SetVisible -- works fine now |
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| 19:13.42 | odine | bingo! |
| 19:14.04 | odine | last question i hope... better to just call oldFunc(frame, visible) or return it instead? |
| 19:24.13 | odine | nice ok... basic functionality is a go.. this might actually work :) |
| 19:24.53 | Baanano | better return, in case it's changed at some point |
| 19:26.18 | odine | i thought that at first.... BUT.... wouldnt i want the original reason for calling SetVisible to be set first.. THEN do what i gotta do afterwards? if thats the case i cant add functionality after i return it |
| 19:26.51 | odine | seems like if i put my code first then return the old code afterwards, the code i add wont be accurate |
| 19:27.31 | Imhothar | ¿hola amigos, cómo estan? |
| 19:27.34 | Baanano | then local result = oldFunc(...); [yourcode]; return result |
| 19:28.00 | Baanano | hola Imhothar, bien, hoy es día de Reyes |
| 19:28.20 | odine | imho... ur suggestion might work... i had a look at ur async textures to see how u were doing the metatable thing, but so far so good on changing SetVisible |
| 19:28.44 | odine | spanish? |
| 19:29.10 | odine | hello friends, whats up? did i translate that right lol |
| 19:29.19 | Baanano | yes, i'm spanish, and imhothar sometimes greets in spanish, dunno why :P |
| 19:29.27 | Imhothar | because I can |
| 19:29.56 | Imhothar | odine do you actually replace SetVisible in the metatable? |
| 19:30.01 | Imhothar | I hope not |
| 19:30.33 | odine | heh, metatables would be like me trying to speak spanish curently (which i cant speak) i need to learn more of em..... |
| 19:31.28 | odine | http://pastebin.com/2p02bEhZ |
| 19:31.35 | odine | thats kinda where im at now just kinda messin around |
| 19:31.44 | odine | worst comes to worse its a learning experience for meta stuff |
| 19:32.09 | odine | code should look familiar to u ;) |
| 19:32.11 | Baanano | i can't find a nice color scheme for my calendar :( spent 2 hours trying combinations without finding one i like http://i.imgur.com/APUnf.jpg |
| 19:32.13 | Imhothar | oh yes you're replacing it |
| 19:32.15 | Imhothar | that's bad |
| 19:33.01 | Imhothar | cause that replaces the function for every single addon frame |
| 19:33.05 | odine | everything i know now is self taught |
| 19:33.15 | odine | so i learn from my mistakes |
| 19:33.29 | odine | your suggestion imho? |
| 19:33.56 | odine | like i said... weaktables, almost anything lua except when it comes to metatables and maybe a couple other things is where i get lost in the dark |
| 19:34.43 | odine | my idea was return the original setvisible in my function so it doesnt affect anything else, and then add what i need added at the end of the function |
| 19:35.20 | odine | maybe even putting some kind of check in to make sure it only affects my addon somewhere as well... im just brainstorming and learning at the same time i suppose |
| 19:35.25 | Imhothar | local frame = UI.CreateFrame(...) |
| 19:35.25 | Imhothar | function frame:SetVisible(viisble) |
| 19:35.25 | Imhothar | -- do your stuff here |
| 19:35.25 | Imhothar | getmetatable(self).__index.SetVisible(self, visible) |
| 19:35.25 | Imhothar | end |
| 19:36.04 | odine | oooooooooooooooo |
| 19:36.30 | odine | i remember u saying about making sure it goes up the heirarchy as wel... so i will wanna do this for frames, textures, etc etc as well correct? |
| 19:37.09 | Imhothar | a memory-friendlier version: |
| 19:37.09 | Imhothar | local function setVisible(self, visible) |
| 19:37.09 | Imhothar | -- do your stuff here |
| 19:37.09 | Imhothar | getmetatable(self).__index.SetVisible(self, visible) |
| 19:37.09 | Imhothar | end |
| 19:37.10 | Imhothar | local frame = UI.CreateFrame(...) |
| 19:37.10 | Imhothar | frame.SetVisible = setVisible |
| 19:37.18 | odine | ban: that layout isnt that bad.... i can give u a screenshot of what mine looks like if i still have one lying around... my intention was to layer textures over days that have events set |
| 19:37.25 | Imhothar | you don't do anything with the hierarchy here |
| 19:37.54 | Imhothar | you replace SetVisible with your own function, where you do your OnShow/OnHide thing and then delegate the call to the opriginal SetVisible so the UI frameworks gets the call as well |
| 19:38.43 | odine | gotcha! |
| 19:38.45 | Imhothar | the problem is, if frame's parent is shown/hidden your SetVisible doesn't get called |
| 19:39.37 | Imhothar | you have to take care of that yourself |
| 19:39.51 | odine | right and i know what to do there |
| 19:41.05 | odine | rifht and left arrows for previous months i assume ban? i had some issues with os.date/os.time with that crap.... pissed me off for awhile... stupid DST leapyears and the such |
| 19:41.33 | odine | then theres the people who want server time, and some want it displayed in local time... real ass pain |
| 19:42.42 | Baanano | yes, the arrows move through months, and the mouse wheel through days |
| 19:43.18 | Baanano | i was considering to add a toggle so the week starts on monday or sunday |
| 19:43.33 | odine | just add an option for the user to choose |
| 19:43.46 | odine | its gonna end up being requested like crazy anyways trust me |
| 19:44.21 | odine | mouse weehl moves through days? like how the 10 is semi highlighted.. to get to 11 u have to mousewheel to it? |
| 19:45.16 | Baanano | no, you can click on it, or move the wheel down |
| 19:45.25 | Baanano | maybe wheel should move through weeks? |
| 19:46.20 | odine | i dunno.. personaly dont see a reason to use mousewheel? just make the days clickable... unless im missing something? |
| 19:46.38 | odine | but if u wanna use mousehwheel... weeks seems better option to me |
| 19:47.07 | odine | lemme see if i still gotta screenshot somewhere... brb |
| 19:47.07 | Baanano | i find less effort on moving the wheel than clicking :P |
| 19:47.15 | odine | heh |
| 19:48.09 | Imhothar | mouse wheel is difficult |
| 19:48.16 | odine | hmm cant find any screenshots... only thing i have is my side project LDB stuff.. data broker system i been working on |
| 19:48.24 | Imhothar | some mice don't have a discrete wheel and no toggle |
| 19:49.00 | Imhothar | move the wheel a bit and you're 5 months back in the future |
| 19:49.15 | odine | ya that was what i was kinda moving towards |
| 19:49.32 | odine | honestly just go with clicks and dont use mousewheel, but its your show =P |
| 19:50.46 | odine | far as the screenshot goes.. take the days that are for next month, or prior month. alpha then lower, and maybe alpha the actual days in the month a bit more brighter.. then find a texture that fits.. like i said i planned to put rift based teture images over days that have events set |
| 19:51.46 | Imhothar | Shouldn't 5 rows fit all months? |
| 19:51.59 | odine | also note we cant get calling from inspect.guild.roster.detail yet, so you wanna track that somehow... i had all sorts of crazy ideas for my calendar... have it learn who is a main, and who is an alt.... display signups PA progress, etc etc |
| 19:51.59 | Imhothar | ahforget it |
| 19:52.35 | Imhothar | "and store oll of that in contested 8kb of storage" |
| 19:53.02 | odine | heh, well ya i know theres that too |
| 19:53.30 | Imhothar | wondering how many addons are using guild storage already |
| 19:53.37 | odine | i dont imagine everything needs to be stored there though... is it possible to make usre of addon communication so not so important things can be stored between people using the addon? |
| 19:54.09 | Imhothar | works only if the correct people are online |
| 19:54.33 | odine | ya i know.. but u also dont want everyone getting that information either... cuz they could just modify the saved stuff in the rift directory |
| 19:54.38 | Baanano | i'm putting large data, like event description, on the guild wall |
| 19:54.55 | Baanano | that way people who don't use the addon can see the event too |
| 19:55.14 | odine | i had thought that too.. but thre are guilds that make heavy use of the guild wall |
| 19:55.33 | odine | and probably wont ant that stuff filling their guild wall |
| 19:55.54 | Baanano | how many posts can the wall have until dropping old ones? |
| 19:58.13 | odine | good question |
| 19:59.51 | odine | bottom line we need more guild storage =P |
| 20:00.06 | Baanano | 50 |
| 20:01.20 | Baanano | about 1000 chars per wall post |
| 20:01.27 | odine | well for the sake of our limitations currently, we dont have to allow for long descriptions, or descriptions at all for the time being |
| 20:01.50 | Baanano | 50kb of extra storage :P |
| 20:02.01 | odine | ya that would be a godsend lol |
| 20:02.06 | odine | zorba hook us up ;) |
| 20:02.51 | odine | i just really feel like going the guild wall route will piss alot of guilds off and sway them away from using it |
| 20:03.31 | odine | my guild for example uses it ALOT |
| 20:03.50 | Imhothar | doesn't the wall have categories or stuff? |
| 20:04.04 | odine | the 50 u put above.. is that the cutoff before wall notes start getting replaced? |
| 20:04.22 | odine | nope |
| 20:04.32 | odine | its just add a msg and submit |
| 20:04.35 | odine | no other options |
| 20:04.38 | Baanano | yeah 50 wall posts, a little over 1000 chars per post |
| 20:06.05 | Baanano | anyway, i don't expect my guild to set 50 events at once, and if the post is deleted for some reason it's just the description what is lost |
| 20:06.16 | odine | what about the possbility of looking into using guild notes/officer notes? ive seen addons do thjat before |
| 20:06.35 | odine | granted it was usualy for dkp/epgp type addons |
| 20:08.05 | odine | i was originally gonna use that for tracking alts and what not, but... maybe that could be looked into... i just say skip the long description for now.. keep it simple and hope we get more guild storage down the road |
| 20:09.02 | Imhothar | zorba always said it's possible toi increase the storage if it's way too low for practical uses, but it's all server RAM and server RAM is expensive |
| 20:09.12 | odine | ya.... |
| 20:09.27 | odine | but i think if we could get it bumped to say 50kb that would solve the problem were having |
| 20:10.20 | Imhothar | and no PC will ever need more than 640k of memory |
| 20:14.19 | odine | can anyone suggest a good reading material on how to learn more about meta tables? im told lua 2nd edition is probably the best to go with.. this true? |
| 20:14.36 | Imhothar | you can get the 1st edition online on lua.org |
| 20:14.43 | Imhothar | that should give you a good start |
| 20:15.16 | odine | well i have kindle so i can prolly get 2nd edition for free and im told its a better more updated... but ill take a look at 1st edition |
| 20:15.17 | odine | thanks |
| 20:15.37 | Baanano | the overlay textures for days would look cool, but where do you find textures that represent each raid, dungeon... ? |
| 20:15.41 | Imhothar | 1st edition is Lua 5.0 and I'm not sure right now what the differences are |
| 20:16.00 | odine | ban: we can come up with something there im sure |
| 20:16.18 | odine | rift goes by 5.0 or 5.1? |
| 20:16.20 | Imhothar | There are textures for some locations |
| 20:16.24 | Imhothar | 5.1 |
| 20:16.29 | odine | mkay |
| 20:16.41 | Baanano | i had thought about using the achievement textures, but they're too generic |
| 20:17.10 | odine | once i get a good understanding of metatables id say im pretty solid with the rift api now. i broke the bad habbit of keep thinking about wows api.. so least i can say about all this is it was a great learning experience.... anyways imho...... |
| 20:17.30 | Imhothar | maybe pick an achievement that has a characteristic of that dungeon |
| 20:17.54 | Imhothar | hm no boss portraits |
| 20:18.20 | odine | because im retarded with meta tables.. the one line u gave above to help me..... local frame = UI.CreateFrame(...) - i cant actually use ... there right? it was just a quick example.. im assuming i still need to actually create a frame there correct? |
| 20:18.35 | Imhothar | aye |
| 20:18.39 | odine | kk thought so |
| 20:19.09 | Imhothar | unless the line is embedded in a function with generic arguments and the passed varargs match the args for CreateFrame |
| 20:19.39 | odine | right gotcha there |
| 20:20.59 | odine | k that worked perfectly and is definitly way more efficient thanks |
| 20:21.50 | Imhothar | Baanano there are definitely textures for locations |
| 20:21.57 | Imhothar | at least for chronicles |
| 20:21.59 | Imhothar | obviously |
| 20:22.08 | Imhothar | but I thought I saw one for meridian once |
| 20:22.36 | Baanano | map PoIs and porticulums have textures |
| 20:22.59 | Imhothar | bingo |
| 20:23.37 | Baanano | i'm gonna use the achievement ones though, and if somebody wants nicer textures, let him send them to me |
| 20:23.50 | Imhothar | don't the map ones get recorded? |
| 20:24.16 | Baanano | yes they do |
| 20:25.24 | odine | like i said man.. if my lil idea with SetVisible doesnt work out... im willin to help out in the project whichever way i can |
| 20:27.32 | odine | these constant random dcs are killin me lol |
| 20:28.33 | Baanano | what'd you do when a day has more than 1 event? |
| 20:29.12 | odine | i was gonna store the events a table or something |
| 20:29.27 | odine | then when u click the day.. new window comes up shows all curent events with a button at the bottom to make a new one |
| 20:29.50 | odine | far as the texture part is concerned.. i hadnt thought that far ahead =P |
| 20:30.19 | odine | i guess if multiple events exist for the same day then use some sort or other texture lol |
| 20:31.08 | Baanano | i'd like to do like windows live tiles, and cycle through each event texture |
| 20:31.35 | Baanano | imhothar's libanimate would be nice here... if he wrote documentation :P |
| 20:31.55 | Imhothar | hey... it's officially not released yet |
| 20:32.00 | Imhothar | and there IS documentation! |
| 20:32.06 | Imhothar | just not alot |
| 20:32.17 | Baanano | links were broken last time i checked |
| 20:32.59 | Baanano | hm if you don't release a 1.0 version you don't need to write documentation? |
| 20:33.01 | Imhothar | wtf |
| 20:33.13 | Imhothar | I'll have to check |
| 20:33.41 | Imhothar | I haven't anounced it publicly, so it's technically not released |
| 20:40.52 | Baanano | it adds a lot of life to the UI, addons look very static right now |
| 20:41.10 | Imhothar | you're using it already? |
| 20:41.22 | Baanano | and some of them are just ugly, that if they have an UI |
| 20:41.38 | Baanano | no, haven't tried yet |
| 20:42.05 | Baanano | glanced through the docs when you first told about it, but the links said i hadn't permission to see that page |
| 20:42.15 | Imhothar | well tell me what you want to do and I give you a crash course |
| 20:42.26 | Imhothar | uh |
| 20:42.57 | Imhothar | ah probably because it has no files yet |
| 20:43.02 | Imhothar | should create a tag |
| 20:44.09 | Imhothar | aah yeah the links point to nonexistent pages, that's why you get the permission thing |
| 20:44.16 | Baanano | nah, don't hurry, have to finish the base ui first :P |
| 20:44.29 | Imhothar | if only writing docs wasn't so boring |
| 20:45.37 | Baanano | there are a lot of unemployed people here, they could train them to write docs and sell them cheap |
| 20:50.12 | Imhothar | but those people don't know how it works |
| 20:51.55 | Baanano | nobody is going to read it anyway |
| 20:52.44 | seebs | I actually like writing docs for my code. |
| 20:52.49 | seebs | I am pretty weird, though. |
| 20:53.17 | Imhothar | you are indeed |
| 20:54.51 | seebs | wandering off, might be back later. |
| 20:56.00 | odine | ahhh crap-ola... well the function works now.. well no errors... now how do i get that metatable adjustment to interact with everything within my adddon... again excuse my stupidity... after i get this functonal im takin a break and hitting the books on metatables.... |
| 20:56.33 | Imhothar | I don't get what you're asking |
| 20:56.42 | odine | well..... |
| 20:58.41 | odine | the code u helped me with... if i toss that code into the area of concern... SetVisible functionality hasnt seemed to change at all |
| 20:59.01 | odine | like i said pardon my stupidity |
| 20:59.02 | Imhothar | it;s not supposed to change |
| 20:59.09 | Imhothar | it's extended |
| 20:59.13 | odine | exactly |
| 20:59.13 | Imhothar | by your own code |
| 20:59.16 | odine | but for example sake |
| 20:59.49 | odine | i tossed in Command.Console.Display to print ("working") so i assumed anything within my addon that calls SetVisible would spam working everything its called... nothing happens |
| 21:00.00 | Imhothar | not everything |
| 21:00.09 | Imhothar | only the one single frame you replaced SetVisible on |
| 21:00.22 | odine | oh LMAO |
| 21:00.26 | odine | wow im so dumb sometimes... |
| 21:00.46 | odine | i ll prolly make a small library to handle frame creation then and pass that through it all |
| 21:01.42 | Imhothar | or think where you need it and change it only there |
| 21:02.25 | odine | ya.. well i could use a lil library for some other things as well... ill do something like LSW call the frame something else, and only those frames get that affect |
| 21:03.11 | odine | regardless, i gotta thank u guys... imho and ban... gonna take a break and do some readin up on metatables. i need to better understand them |
| 21:24.12 | odine | imho.... can i do -- your stuff here AFTER the getmetatable part? (last code u linked) looks like when SetVisible is called my stuff occurs before the visibility change occurs.. thus everything seems backwards.. just making sure that wont cause a problem? |
| 21:25.15 | odine | yup nvm that fixed it |
| 21:25.49 | odine | this probably going to work perfectly.. ur the man |
| 21:41.43 | Imhothar | doesn't matter when you call the old function, as long as you do |
| 23:12.30 | Baanano | is this crucia? http://rift.netmarble.net/event/2012/121116_free/_html/ |
| 23:23.44 | ZorbaTHut | baanano, nice find. Probably. CJK localization teams tend to redo the splash images with their own ethnicities |
| 23:24.32 | ZorbaTHut | there's a fantastic Korean Rift ad somewhere that is basically a music video. Different cultures, different techniques. :V |
| 23:24.47 | Baanano | do ingame models change too? :O |
| 23:25.11 | ZorbaTHut | it wouldn't surprise me if some do, though of course the majority don't simply due to cost. I believe you're not allowed to show skeletons in China, for example |
| 23:26.10 | ZorbaTHut | when WoW Lich King was ported to China, http://spicytunas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/lord-marrowgar.jpg got turned into http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100817142523/wowwiki/images/6/64/Chinagar.jpg for example |
| 23:26.57 | Baanano | i heard they had to change a lot of WotLK to publish it in China, but didn't know if it was true |
| 23:27.52 | ZorbaTHut | there also tend to be gameplay and infrastructure changes - as I understand it, Korea is huge on netcafes and the MMO developer actually gets paid from the netcafe, which is pretty weird to set up. |
| 23:28.13 | ZorbaTHut | And also has legally-required play limits per account, so you need some kind of way to kick the player off after a certain number of hours. |
| 23:29.12 | ZorbaTHut | and of course Korea is huge on those "pay 100 Koreacurrency and gain 50% XP boost for an hour/20% damage increase for an hour/a mount that works for a day" game-changing microtransactions. |
| 23:30.12 | Baanano | and that's why korean games are a fulltime grind :P |
| 23:32.38 | ZorbaTHut | Pretty much, yep. But hey, they seem to enjoy it. Different cultures. :) |
| 23:33.01 | ZorbaTHut | Up to the point where many games aren't successful there because, quite literally, they aren't grindy enough |
| 23:44.33 | Baanano | hey zorba, it's there any way to overlay frames on top of native frames without putting them on a higher strata? |
| 23:49.19 | ZorbaTHut | nope, that's it |
| 23:54.06 | ZorbaTHut | er, wait, my mistake - you can also put them on a higher layer |
| 23:54.15 | ZorbaTHut | though in that case you need to watch the frame to see what layer it ends up on |
