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| 04:00.00 | ZorbaTHut | not entirely surprising. graphics card drivers are hellaciously complicated beasts |
| 04:01.06 | ZorbaTHut | http://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/a-trip-through-the-graphics-pipeline-2011-index/ this is a fantastic series if you enjoy learning how things work under the surface |
| 04:05.42 | seebs | oooh |
| 04:08.44 | ZorbaTHut | if I had to guess, I'd say they're attempting some kind of amortized background optimization process, but they botched the "amortized" part - it's either clumping up unexpectedly or there's a non-amortized segment that is using a ton more time than they expected |
| 04:08.54 | ZorbaTHut | wild guess, of course, but that's the kind of issue that often causes problems like this. |
| 04:09.51 | Ivnedar | boo to scope creep, looking at extending redar to show rare mobs on its radar :P |
| 04:10.03 | Ivnedar | making that a dependant addon instead I think |
| 04:10.06 | ZorbaTHut | ah, they mention it's memory management - yeah, memory cleanup is often one of those problems. sometimes you even end up keeping a list of things to deallocate gradually in the future |
| 04:15.12 | Ivnedar | I don't suppose there's an equivalent place to #riftuidev for mobile client? :P |
| 04:15.59 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think the mobile client is moddable in any way |
| 04:16.03 | ZorbaTHut | at least, no officially supported way |
| 04:16.07 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 04:16.22 | Ivnedar | The protocol is pretty basic and easy to work with, just curious if anyone else was |
| 04:16.39 | Ivnedar | forums for it seems pretty dead from a dev perspective |
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| 04:21.13 | Ivnedar | Thought I'd ask :) |
| 04:26.26 | ZorbaTHut | afaik, nobody is - you could be the first :V |
| 04:27.39 | Ivnedar | I sent in several requests since it first came out, never got a response, so assumed I was on my own and to not do much with it :D |
| 04:33.17 | Ivnedar | Wrote my own client mostly because I wanted timestamps per message and guild chat and auth token sent over https instead of http |
| 04:34.48 | Ivnedar | auth tokens over http annoyed me, but I seem to have given up :P |
| 04:35.10 | Cairenn | While not precisely the same, I'm sure you'd likely find people interested in the topic on RiftUI |
| 04:35.23 | Cairenn | (and this irc channel) |
| 04:35.48 | Cairenn | programmers are programmers, we're all geeks ;) |
| 04:36.29 | Ivnedar | No idea who I'd even ask for permission to play with it |
| 04:42.29 | Ivnedar | And yes, I did consider botting the scratchies every hour :P |
| 04:43.29 | Baanano | the mobile client is horrible, it crashes my phone every time i connect to my wifi network |
| 04:44.03 | Baanano | and the minigame selection buttons are invisible, you need to find them by their sound |
| 04:44.14 | Ivnedar | android? |
| 04:44.17 | Baanano | yes |
| 04:44.35 | Ivnedar | Guessing it was designed for iphone and someone got the job to port it to android |
| 04:45.15 | Baanano | it'd be great if that was open to developers at some point |
| 04:45.38 | Ivnedar | Well, if I can find someone to give permission to "go for it", I'll release what I have I guess |
| 04:45.52 | Baanano | would need to work through an api key instead of the char password, as EVE does |
| 04:45.59 | Ivnedar | I've cut my client back to just have guild chat scrolling in a terminal window on my desktop at work now |
| 04:46.08 | Baanano | i wouldn't trust my account security to a random android app :P |
| 04:46.42 | Ivnedar | It's not android, it's python |
| 04:46.45 | Ivnedar | read the code if you want :) |
| 04:46.50 | Ivnedar | or write your own using the protocol |
| 04:47.22 | Ivnedar | it's all http get/post and json data |
| 04:48.44 | Ivnedar | It's a prettied up web browser *cough* |
| 04:48.52 | Ivnedar | the mobile client that is |
| 04:53.02 | Baanano | hm i don't want to do anything with that code, but it could be interesting to give it a glance |
| 04:56.52 | Ivnedar | :) |
| 05:13.48 | Baanano | the saved vars serializer is driving me crazy >_< i've written 5 different formats for auction data tonight, reducing the amount of data by 60%, but it keeps crashing the client :( |
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| 06:21.43 | Thorarin | Ivnedar: I've made a few mobile clients |
| 06:22.19 | Thorarin | I have a portable .NET library for it, runs under .NET, WinRT, Windows Phone 8 |
| 06:23.32 | Thorarin | But afaik the authentication part always went over HTTPS... |
| 06:24.12 | Thorarin | Had to go through some trouble to figure out how to duplicate the authentication part because of it |
| 06:24.39 | Ivnedar | only the user/pass exchange does |
| 06:24.44 | Thorarin | Yes |
| 06:24.49 | Ivnedar | the login ticket -> sessionid bit doesn't |
| 06:24.52 | Ivnedar | and the rest of it after that doesn't |
| 06:25.24 | Thorarin | Actually, the Android and iOS versions do the login rather differently |
| 06:25.34 | Thorarin | Which one did you use? :P |
| 06:25.34 | Ivnedar | oh? cool |
| 06:25.41 | Ivnedar | android didn't exist when I did mine |
| 06:27.02 | Thorarin | How did you figure out the authentication on iOS then? I figured I could maybe use the provisioning tool to install another certificate and intercept the traffic on WiFi, but I never tried it |
| 06:27.22 | Ivnedar | trivial to point it at an ssl proxy and mitm it |
| 06:27.33 | Ivnedar | ios is happy to accept any cert in its keychain |
| 06:28.24 | Thorarin | Hmm, I recall trying to use a proxy, but I had some issue with it iirc |
| 06:28.53 | Ivnedar | was saddened to see it was only needed for that first step |
| 06:29.11 | Ivnedar | guess it reduces the load a little on the server if it's all plain |
| 06:29.18 | Ivnedar | and just wear the security/privacy concerns |
| 06:29.30 | Thorarin | *shrug* for some time I had a client that required me to sniff the session token first :) |
| 06:29.43 | Ivnedar | hee hee, nice :D |
| 06:31.16 | Thorarin | SSL seems like overkill for anything but chat maybe |
| 06:32.18 | Ivnedar | depends on how paranoid you are about someone reading your chat while at mcdonalds then pretending to be you if they're really keen |
| 06:32.43 | Thorarin | But hmm, I was pretty sure that iOS didn't do that loginByTicket call over HTTP.. |
| 06:33.02 | Ivnedar | can't remember now |
| 06:33.13 | Ivnedar | only need the session id to be someone |
| 06:35.26 | Ivnedar | how'd the android one do it? |
| 06:39.04 | Thorarin | Hmm, actually, where the hell is the latest version of my source code :P |
| 06:39.09 | Thorarin | This is an old version |
| 06:42.33 | Thorarin | Oh hmm, guess it's on my Windows 8 PC, since I made it run on Windows Phone |
| 06:53.54 | Thorarin | I can't recall exactly, but I think it does a call to https://auth.trionworld.com/auth first, which gets you a set of claims basically. Then a second call over HTTP gets you the session cookie |
| 06:54.13 | Ivnedar | yup, first call is https for /auth to auth.trionworld |
| 06:54.23 | Ivnedar | second call is http to chat-us for loginbyticket |
| 06:54.33 | Ivnedar | then third call is to /chat I think |
| 06:55.33 | Ivnedar | (not looking at code, so memory foggy) |
| 06:56.01 | Thorarin | Well, there's /chat/characters to get the character list... and this version of the code doesn't even have the chat part I think |
| 06:56.16 | Thorarin | But it's all straight forward as you said |
| 06:59.04 | Thorarin | Hmm, should get moving.. supposed to be at the office early'ish today :P |
| 06:59.14 | Ivnedar | heh heh, my day's ended, cya :) |
| 06:59.24 | Ivnedar | raid prep time now |
| 06:59.25 | Thorarin | 8am here |
| 07:00.27 | Thorarin | We kinda wasted wednesday for raiding... People still slacking after new year or smt |
| 07:00.41 | Thorarin | Just did the eggs in EE and then went 10 man :S |
| 07:04.24 | Ivnedar | lol |
| 07:04.35 | Ivnedar | our first night back after xmas/nye break |
| 07:34.41 | ZorbaTHut | baanano, got a good repro case that crashes the client? and is this a quick crash, or a after-15-seconds crash? |
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| 09:40.10 | WIldtide | mornin' |
| 09:41.50 | WIldtide | my captcha provided some sound raiding advice this morning... "PownIt securely" |
| 10:08.19 | Ivnedar | morning :) |
| 10:08.43 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.54 | Ivnedar | 15 hours ago |
| 10:09.16 | Ivnedar | re: 3d portraits |
| 10:18.45 | WIldtide | thanks :) |
| 10:19.08 | WIldtide | ZorbaTHut: asking again :) |
| 10:23.49 | Wildtide | i think Zorba's awake cycle has gone out of sync with mine... I'll have to ask at some strange time of night |
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| 15:01.52 | Imhothar | ooh I just managed to crash Rift |
| 15:03.24 | Baanano | what did you do? |
| 15:03.49 | Imhothar | I clicked a button |
| 15:04.10 | Baanano | was it a big red button? |
| 15:04.18 | Imhothar | no, it was mine |
| 15:08.34 | Wildtide | maybe you aught to make it big and red then? |
| 15:09.50 | Imhothar | who knows |
| 15:10.00 | Imhothar | hmm it didn't crash now |
| 15:10.04 | Imhothar | though I did the same thing |
| 15:13.13 | Baanano | i wrote an addon to crash the client earlier today, 30 locs |
| 15:13.56 | Imhothar | now this is weird, since the crash handler restarted the game it won't crash anymore |
| 15:14.07 | Imhothar | not even after a restart |
| 15:15.48 | Baanano | what does the button does? |
| 15:15.49 | Imhothar | there goes my clue |
| 15:15.59 | Imhothar | it builds a few frames and loads textures |
| 15:16.58 | Imhothar | well I have a snapshot of the code and as I can't reproduce it anymore I'll have to ignore it for now |
| 15:19.22 | Baanano | imhobags? or anything else? |
| 15:20.14 | Imhothar | aye |
| 15:21.35 | Baanano | i've come to hate dimensions because of imhobags :P |
| 15:21.48 | Imhothar | heh |
| 15:21.52 | Imhothar | yeah |
| 15:21.58 | Imhothar | ahem |
| 15:22.08 | Imhothar | nothing to see here, move along |
| 15:28.20 | Imhothar | well I know it's caused because I had no localization for the dimensions category and that somehow breaks stuff |
| 15:34.17 | Baanano | so is it easy to patch? |
| 15:37.35 | Imhothar | aye |
| 15:42.18 | Imhothar | but I wasn't aware of the bug until quite late where the patch itself is no longer easy to apply to the old release, so it's coming with the next version |
| 15:43.09 | Baanano | what's new on it? |
| 15:43.18 | Imhothar | quite a bunch |
| 15:44.25 | Baanano | nice! were to send cookies to speed up development? :) |
| 15:44.54 | Imhothar | my contractor so I get less work |
| 15:49.20 | Baanano | hm forgot to ask zorba if they finally roasted a boar |
| 15:49.46 | Imhothar | stop talking about food |
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| 17:02.19 | Imhothar | hmm I keep having this weird idea of making a video. some of the new options might be hidden too well |
| 17:03.03 | Imhothar | but they are used so rarely it would be nonsense to throw em in your face |
| 17:31.53 | Imhothar | Baanano if you want to give the latest alpha a try you should end hating dimensions |
| 17:32.17 | Imhothar | I hope |
| 17:32.42 | Baanano | nice, curseforge? |
| 17:33.20 | Imhothar | aye |
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| 17:36.50 | Baanano | hm latest alpha doesn't show in the list |
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| 17:37.18 | Imhothar | It's the last file created by the packager |
| 17:37.40 | Baanano | yeah the one from 4 mins ago |
| 17:37.50 | Baanano | it doesn't have the libs |
| 17:38.16 | Imhothar | there are always two files |
| 17:38.20 | Imhothar | x and x-nolib |
| 17:38.59 | Imhothar | you probably want x |
| 17:40.25 | Imhothar | got it? |
| 17:40.59 | Imhothar | http://www.curseforge.com/media/files/662/240/ImhoBags-0.13beta-154-g75ed57e.zip |
| 17:41.04 | Baanano | yeah i downloaded that one now, dunno why the nolib one was chosen |
| 17:42.01 | Baanano | still not showing up in the list |
| 17:46.32 | Baanano | seems to be libanimate fault |
| 17:48.26 | Baanano | yeah, libanimate is supposed to embed libstring but it isn't there |
| 17:50.21 | Baanano | wow looks cool |
| 17:54.44 | Imhothar | huh so the Curseforge packager won't include references transitively |
| 17:55.03 | Imhothar | that's unfortunate |
| 17:55.24 | Imhothar | hmm if it would set the nolib flag that would probably solve it |
| 17:55.48 | Imhothar | unless there's an option I'm missing |
| 18:00.07 | Baanano | i just add all of them |
| 18:02.31 | Imhothar | laters all |
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