| 00:02.00 | Mortelugo | Noshei: your a legend :p |
| 00:02.16 | Noshei | i know |
| 00:03.50 | Mortelugo | :) |
| 00:10.51 | Mortelugo | Noshei: is it supposed to in the output not have tags etc? |
| 00:10.57 | Mortelugo | i just see a wall of text |
| 00:11.32 | Noshei | that all depends on how you output |
| 00:11.51 | Noshei | i personally use excel, so it formats everything into columns |
| 00:12.24 | Mortelugo | ah |
| 00:13.41 | Mortelugo | not sure openoffice handles files in the same way |
| 00:55.43 | Mortelugo | silly question perhaps |
| 00:55.59 | Mortelugo | how would you then 'capture' a new xml file with your transformations applied? |
| 00:56.18 | Mortelugo | i modified a copy of your XSl to output it as a html table just for viewing |
| 00:56.30 | Mortelugo | but obv. i cant import that into mysql |
| 01:23.37 | Baanano | http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=21714 |
| 01:35.24 | ZorbaTHut | noshei, I actually have no idea what's on the PTS right now. At most, it's bugfixes - the first new features went in yesterday and there's no way those made it up to a PTS build in less than 24 hours |
| 01:38.13 | Baanano | new features? |
| 01:49.20 | Rhakka | bug fix for apoth weekly! |
| 01:50.07 | Noshei | hopefully before wednesday |
| 02:19.32 | ZorbaTHut | nothing huge and shiny - I fixed up the experience/planar-attunement api, and added a prestige api and pvp-history api. Just patching a regression due to 2.0 as well as patching up a few small holes. |
| 02:19.46 | ZorbaTHut | also *.TEMPORARY.Experience is now officially really deprecated |
| 02:19.57 | ZorbaTHut | since there's a non-temporary one :V |
| 02:20.29 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately despite being "able to go back to the addon system" I've still had to juggle a lot of rendering regressions and the like, so I haven't had as much time as I'd wanted. So it goes. |
| 02:21.20 | Noshei | did you see my message about transparent textures not being transparent also happening when other textures disappear? |
| 02:21.33 | Baanano | nice, new apis to play with ^^ |
| 02:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it actually ties in with one of our theories about what's happening, so that's good info |
| 02:21.49 | ZorbaTHut | (that's one of the regressions I'm trying to figure out :V) |
| 02:22.05 | Noshei | yeah i figured as much, thats why i mentioned it |
| 02:22.56 | ZorbaTHut | appreciated ^^ |
| 02:48.35 | seebs | http://www.chroniclesofgeorge.com/ |
| 02:58.41 | Noshei | oih hey zorba can you mention to someone that the topleft part of the Tempest bay map is undiscoverable and stays greyed out |
| 02:58.59 | Noshei | it is just part of the tram system, but is kinda annoying to me |
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| 04:03.35 | seebs | I am really amazed at how ridiculously small and cheap computers are getting. |
| 04:03.42 | seebs | The raspberry pi is ridiculous. |
| 04:08.53 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I've got one that I picked up as a museum demo computer. haven't had time to set it up yet, unfortunately |
| 04:09.32 | ZorbaTHut | I also just bought a Nexus 4 for $350. It has 2GB of RAM, fits in my pocket, and runs off batteries for a day. technology is crazy |
| 04:09.58 | ZorbaTHut | oh, quadcore processor too. I think it is physically smaller than four Slot A processors. |
| 04:11.06 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 04:11.16 | seebs | Just about anything is physically smaller than four Slot A processors. :) |
| 04:11.29 | seebs | I've got a pair of pis, and plans to write some articles about them for $$. |
| 04:12.01 | seebs | Technical writing: Way too much fun. People will actually give me money to play with toys and write about how fun it is. |
| 04:12.38 | seebs | Also this is the first time I've ever built my own case for a computer. Tomorrow I think I'm gonna go to Target and get a couple sets of legos and make pair of nicer matched cases for them. |
| 04:13.29 | seebs | Then I wait for the addon hardware I ordered to show up so I can hook things up to the programmable bits more easily. But in the mean time, I think I'm gonna see if I can turn one of these into a reasonably good Dumb Terminal. |
| 04:14.36 | seebs | Side note: If you want to use one with a TV, find out whether the TV's HDMI port can do computers properly. On the TV I have, this involves selecting the name "DVI (PC)" from a list of names for what's attached to the port, which causes it to suddenly radically change the way it displays video on that port. |
| 04:18.19 | seebs | I wonder whether anyone still SELLS classic physical dumb terminals. I don't see any. |
| 04:37.58 | seebs | BTW, Zorba, I just spotted a sort of issue with the proposed event API, specifically with detaching. Made a post about it, but basically, I can't see a clean way to detach a system update event hook, and since that's the obvious way to detach other hooks (since I can't detach a hook while it's being processed), I am seeing a sort of fundamental challenge here. Not a hugely important one, except that I hate loose ends. :) |
| 04:38.33 | seebs | My vague proposal is to have the event-handler's "handle" object have a :After() which takes a callback and processes it at an unspecified-but-soonish future time when it is safe to attach or detach hooks from this event. |
| 04:38.48 | seebs | ls |
| 04:38.52 | seebs | ... wrong keyboard. |
| 04:39.11 | seebs | on the bright side, I didn't just rant about the Rift event API to the raspberry pi, which is small and simple and would not understand. |
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| 05:31.32 | seebs | haha! |
| 05:31.37 | seebs | I found an actual core Rift UI bug. |
| 05:31.51 | seebs | Step 1: On machine #1, make sure you don't have a UI scale set. /exportui. |
| 05:32.06 | seebs | Step 2: On machine #2, set a UI scale, and move windows. |
| 05:32.11 | seebs | Step 3: On machine #1, /importui. |
| 05:32.26 | seebs | You get the placements from Machine #1, but it keeps the UI scale, because "not set" is not a setting. |
| 06:03.01 | ZorbaTHut | I'm picking up a few $10 VESA mount "cases" for the Pi. we're just going to attach them to the back of the monitors that they're driving. |
| 06:03.19 | ZorbaTHut | case is in quotes because they're basically two sheets of acrylic bolted together :P |
| 06:03.45 | ZorbaTHut | and yeah, I'll be testing it both on our TVs and our monitors - fingers crossed that a hdmi-dvi converter will work. |
| 06:04.13 | ZorbaTHut | also, responded to your post :) I'm pretty sure I've figured out a way to support attaching and detaching handlers safely at any point in execution |
| 06:04.33 | seebs | HDMI-to-DVI seems to almost always work. |
| 06:05.01 | seebs | My gaming laptop has audio through its HDMI out, which I sort of expected. |
| 06:05.09 | seebs | One of my desktops does too, which I did not expect at all. |
| 06:05.19 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's handy when that works - that's how we connect our media computer to our TV |
| 06:05.37 | ZorbaTHut | ATI cards seem to embrace HDMI a lot more thoroughly than NVidia, though NVidia's catching up |
| 06:06.39 | seebs | They do, although they are idiotic about things that appear to be TVs. |
| 06:06.52 | seebs | They do not have the option of "stop trying to do overscan, just treat it like a monitor". |
| 06:07.18 | seebs | So you need fancier TVs which have the "just pretend to be a monitor" option somehow hidden in their menus. |
| 06:07.44 | seebs | On my video-hardware-TV, you do this by selecting the "edit name" option, and picking "DVI/PC" from a list of possible things that would be connected to something. |
| 06:07.47 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's less the graphics card's fault here and more the TV's fault - the TV assumes the input source is going to need overscan no matter what |
| 06:08.02 | ZorbaTHut | ATI cards actually support underscan, where you end up with a slightly smaller desktop |
| 06:08.16 | seebs | I don't think so, simply because ALL of my nVidia and Intel display hardware devices do what I want. And NONE of my ATI ones do. |
| 06:08.18 | ZorbaTHut | to compensate for TVs that don't have an option to disable overscan :P |
| 06:08.23 | ZorbaTHut | huh, curious |
| 06:08.47 | seebs | Basically, nVidia has the option for "don't overthink this, just display the pixels". ATI doesn't provide that; there's an overscan slider, and there is no way to pick "no overscan or underscan". |
| 06:09.03 | ZorbaTHut | I know my TV just doesn't have a no-overscan option (ancient LCD rear-projection TV, its claim to fame is that it supported 1080p before almost anything supported 1080p) and I had to do some trickiery to make it work |
| 06:09.19 | seebs | So if the TV isn't identifying as a monitor, but just happens to be naively forwarding pixels 1:1 from HD HDMI sources, it works with nVidia but not with ATI. |
| 06:09.41 | ZorbaTHut | curious |
| 06:11.00 | seebs | !@#*!ing Blizzard. |
| 06:11.13 | seebs | Jesse had them delete his account a while back. They confirmed that they were deleting the account, that it would be gone, and so on. |
| 06:11.34 | seebs | Now they are sending email to "Dear X", offering a chance to re-open the account which is supposedly permanently deleted. |
| 06:12.00 | seebs | And my previous experience is that, no matter how obvious it is from the headers that they really sent it, they'll insist that it's just phishing, and not their unwillingness to ACTUALLY delete personal information when asked. |
| 06:25.54 | Imhothar | why the hell is the forum login timeout so short |
| 06:30.13 | seebs | I have no idea. |
| 06:30.26 | seebs | Interestingly, I had a machine that had a year-old cookie that still worked, and it could still use the forums. |
| 06:30.49 | seebs | So I'm pretty sure they just changed the cookies to be shorter, and if you were to tweak the expiration date on a cookie, it'd probably work. |
| 06:31.02 | Imhothar | the cookies aren't shorter |
| 06:31.08 | Imhothar | they still expire in 2013 |
| 06:31.31 | Imhothar | but I have to hit that stuid Login button topright ten times a day, whcih is annoying |
| 06:32.40 | seebs | Fucking.... AGGH. |
| 06:32.52 | seebs | I think I have finally found the thing that may make me stop bothering to log into Rift. |
| 06:33.02 | seebs | Which is that the GMs absolutely, positively, do not care about trolls or harassment. |
| 06:33.17 | seebs | The same person has been flooding 50 chat with harassment for *MONTHS*, and they do nothing. |
| 06:33.43 | seebs | MMOs are all about community. If the GMs don't think someone constantly telling people to "go fuck yourself" in open chats is a problem, there is no way for that community to survive. |
| 06:34.50 | Imhothar | depends on the (im)maturity of the community |
| 06:37.17 | Imhothar | most people I know just ignore such comments |
| 06:38.00 | seebs | It's not really practical to "just ignore" 50% or more of the traffic in public channels, and in practice, even people who "just ignore" stuff are being affected by it, because humans are social. |
| 06:38.28 | seebs | People learn what the community norms are by observing behavior. If someone who regularly says "go fuck yourself" is still in the game after several months, obviously that's an acceptable behavior... |
| 06:38.31 | Imhothar | only if you care about the public channels. |
| 06:38.32 | Imhothar | I don't |
| 06:39.05 | seebs | Well, that's sort of the point: If you can't care about the public channels and socialize with the other players, that's a pretty crappy community. |
| 06:40.29 | seebs | When Ibby's not on, I can chat with people in 50-59 chat (or any of the others) and have cool conversations. By and large, people are helpful and friendly. Newbies get their questions answered, usually truthfully. |
| 06:40.52 | seebs | When Ibby's on, 50-59 chat consists mostly of Ibby being randomly insulting and people responding to that. |
| 06:41.46 | Imhothar | for me it's simply too many people out there. And they change too frequently. So I don't even bother to "socialize" and rather foxus on my guild and friends list |
| 06:50.42 | seebs | I recognize enough names during normal hours that I can chatter with people and remember who they are usually. |
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| 10:04.00 | lcd | Let's see if I log into an invasion again today. |
| 10:04.18 | lcd | nope all clear |
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| 14:05.49 | Mortelugo | how often do they tend to release a new discoveries file? |
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| 16:46.08 | ZorbaTHut | I think it tends to be around weekly |
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| 21:40.24 | Toludin | Are begin and duration not guaranteed to exist for buffs/debuffs? |
| 21:41.56 | Toludin | Or, to rephrase that: I'm seeing nil value errors after saving begin and duration from buff details. Any idea why some buffs or debuffs don't have these? |
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| 22:17.04 | Imhothar | some buffa don't have a duration as they're permanent |
| 22:21.46 | Toludin | duration is a bit more understandable to me...but i don't really get why begin can be nil... |
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