| 00:15.26 | seebs | I want to try an experiment with a fresh 50, only my only 50 mage is now 51, so I can't play her as a 50 anymore, my warrior and other mage are only 43ish, so all my 50s are rogue or cleric. |
| 00:15.34 | seebs | And those are clearly too easy. |
| 00:15.49 | seebs | The goal is to find out whether it is true, as people on the forums say, that you MUST have done a bunch of Ember Island content before trying SL. |
| 00:19.03 | Imhothar | I will tell you once I find some time for Rift |
| 00:19.09 | Imhothar | Done only a few quests on ember isle |
| 00:19.45 | seebs | Well, I've done few-to-none on most characters. |
| 00:22.58 | seebs | My thought was to carefully go back and craft all regular 47-50 gear, reset PA levels and not spend the points, and see what I can do. |
| 00:25.38 | Imhothar | My next highest character is lvl 16 so that will take a while |
| 01:45.02 | Noshei | crap, I think I need to figure out how to recycle frames |
| 01:46.47 | Noshei | my contacts module uses a lot of frames as it is, but right now any time a person is added or removed from your guild or friends and you open up the module, it recreates everything |
| 01:47.35 | seebs | Ahh, yeah, that implies frame recycling. |
| 01:47.44 | seebs | I think my addons that have reason to are doing frame recycling. I hope so. |
| 01:47.58 | Noshei | I'm just not sure how to go about it |
| 01:48.09 | Imhothar | It's pretty simple and I'm recycling many frames in ImhoBags |
| 01:48.37 | seebs | Basically: |
| 01:48.39 | Imhothar | all you need is a table containg the unused frames and methods to retrieve/create and dispose frames |
| 01:49.00 | seebs | Maintain a table of frames of the sort you want, which are kept invisible, and grab things from that table if it's not empty instead of creating frames. |
| 01:49.10 | Imhothar | active frames are removed from the table, when a frame gets disposed it's put back into the table |
| 01:50.45 | Imhothar | just don't forget to assign a frame's parent when it's taken out of the cache table or you get funny rendering results |
| 01:51.12 | Noshei | even if the parent doesnt change? |
| 01:51.34 | Imhothar | better safe than sorry |
| 01:53.04 | Imhothar | and you probably want to remove the frames' parent (aka set the context as parent) otherwise it still pops up in the child iterations |
| 01:55.01 | Noshei | I made a change so I could click a button to make it recreate all of the frames, so far I'm at about 16k frames |
| 01:56.32 | Noshei | interestingly spamming this is a huge drag on game performance |
| 01:56.51 | Noshei | but each call is small enough that it doesnt trigger the watchdog |
| 01:59.00 | Noshei | yeah and game performance now is pretty horrible, with 33306 frames created |
| 01:59.18 | Imhothar | surprise surprise |
| 02:00.27 | Noshei | about a 10 fps drop just standing still |
| 02:00.36 | Noshei | closer to 15 when moving |
| 02:00.48 | Imhothar | what did you expect? |
| 02:01.04 | Noshei | pretty much thats |
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| 03:24.45 | Noshei | so I found out we can edit the title of a thread |
| 03:25.31 | Noshei | on the forum page, where it lists all of the threads, if you double click the thread name, it will let you edit it |
| 03:37.17 | seebs | WHAT? |
| 03:37.33 | Noshei | yeah |
| 03:37.47 | Noshei | its so easy |
| 03:37.58 | Noshei | and yet it eluded all of us |
| 03:38.33 | seebs | That must be new, for a long time vB did not allow non-mods to change thread titles. |
| 03:39.37 | Noshei | yeah maybe |
| 03:44.23 | seebs | Baanano: Is BananAH's database per-account? If so, is there a setting for that? |
| 03:44.49 | seebs | I ask because I play two accounts actively and like the idea of a shared database. |
| 03:59.18 | Imhothar | It's 4am in Spain, you'll have to wait a while for an answer |
| 04:46.39 | Noshei | hey ZorbaBeta, noticed a bug with the mail system |
| 04:47.13 | Noshei | when you get the mail message returning you the money from a CoD message, it doesnt trigger the mail notification in the game |
| 04:47.43 | Noshei | so you wouldn't know it was there unless you opened up the mail box |
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| 06:06.33 | Noshei | is there a way to see how much mempoy each addon is using |
| 06:06.45 | Noshei | cause my memory usage is super high right now |
| 06:45.46 | seebs | I think so. |
| 06:50.01 | seebs | Hmm. Not seeing any memory stuff. |
| 06:54.28 | seebs | Oh, interesting. |
| 06:54.38 | seebs | I am no longer getting ANY item flickering on this session. I wonder... |
| 07:03.48 | seebs | mwahaha! |
| 07:03.55 | seebs | ZorbaBeta: I may have something for you on that flickering. |
| 07:04.16 | seebs | Wasn't getting any. Relogged, came back, turned on Quantum Sight, no getting some. |
| 07:04.22 | seebs | Loc 8200 922 7319 in droughtlands. |
| 07:05.38 | seebs | There's a wall which appears and disappears if I rotate the camera; it's invisible if I'm facing about 5-10 degrees west of due north -- and suspiciously, it disappears when it's roughly centered on another wall which is closer to me. |
| 07:09.55 | seebs | Conclusion: It's not a location as such that's doing it. |
| 07:10.13 | seebs | It's a combination of location and some kind of state which is fairly persistent. |
| 07:10.44 | seebs | And it seems to be progressive; if I hang around in an area it happens more often. |
| 07:11.15 | seebs | Tried to go back to where I was, ended up at 8201 922 7320. So pretty close. |
| 07:11.55 | seebs | And now! The first wall continues to disappear when I turn the camera -- but the two walls right next to me now disappear sometimes too. Oh, and VERY interesting: I can see EITHER one OR the other. |
| 07:12.14 | seebs | As I spin the camera, there's a specific point where, simultaneously, one appears and one disappears. |
| 07:14.14 | seebs | Hmm. Okay, moved over to 8203 925 7300. Looking south... *one* of those two walls tends to disappear. |
| 07:14.33 | seebs | So where I was before, those two southern walls were always blinking in and out at the same time; over here, they're separate. |
| 07:15.32 | seebs | Interesting. I briefly had one blinking in and out with no motion on my end that I was aware of, but it stopped. |
| 07:19.48 | seebs | Hmmmm. |
| 07:19.54 | seebs | I am not 100% sure, but: |
| 07:20.04 | seebs | I believe I am only seeing new things become blinky when I have quantum sight on. |
| 07:25.19 | Baanano | seebs, the auction db is per shard, which implies per account |
| 07:25.27 | seebs | Ohhh. |
| 07:25.46 | seebs | Drat. I have a desire for cross-account shard-specific data.:) |
| 07:26.49 | seebs | ohhhh interesting. |
| 07:27.05 | seebs | I went and played around on rocks for a while, came back. One of the blinky walls recovered, the other two are still broken. |
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| 21:52.01 | Noshei | hey ZorbaGama, any chance of getting an inspect for addon memory usage? |
| 21:52.57 | Noshei | I really want to find out why I went from about 1.1GB memory usage in rift to 1.8GB for no appearant reason |
| 22:00.00 | Torhal|work | A memory raise of that size would indicate textures or something similar. I seriously doubt you have 0.7GB of AddOn memory usage. |
| 22:00.43 | Noshei | I show 1.2GB of addon memory right now |
| 22:01.11 | Noshei | oh no nm 122 MB |
| 22:02.57 | Imhothar | that sounds more realistic |
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| 22:59.13 | ZorbaGama | noshei, none whatsoever, I'm sorry to say. Tracking per-addon memory usage would require some massive changes to the guts of the Lua interpreter. |
| 22:59.39 | ZorbaGama | And considering that we're using LuaJIT, which is basically black magic as far as I'm concerned, it just isn't gonna happen :) |
| 23:00.10 | Noshei | ah, bummer |
| 23:01.49 | ZorbaGama | If it was easy I woulda done it by now :V but chances are good the performance data you have available now is what you'll be limited to. |
| 23:02.30 | ZorbaGama | The best I could do would be to try tracking memory deltas before and after function calls, but considering the unpredictability of the garbage collector, I'm pretty sure we can both come up with a multitude of cases where that would fail. |