| 02:45.40 | Imhothar | hmm interesting, when I change my game client to English, the predefined chat channels still have german names (e.g. the zones) |
| 02:45.54 | Imhothar | are the servers hardcoded to a certain language? |
| 02:47.02 | Imhothar | hmm who was that who said he doesn't care about other lanugages as american? must have been the driving force behind the Rift localization devs |
| 03:44.49 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, it was quite intentional that I avoided breaking addons for the expansion pack - this is, of course, exactly the situation where we want to keep things stable :V there'll be some more breakages coming up ahead, of course |
| 03:49.18 | seebs | Yeah. It's just... Both as a player and as an addon dev, I *hugely* appreciate that the addon update cycle doesn't have to all happen at once during the pre-release rush. |
| 03:53.07 | seebs | In theory Blizzard must have been putting effort into supporting addon writers, but most of the time it felt very much like an afterthought at most. |
| 03:54.17 | ZorbaBeta | there's a few glitches that snuck through - for example, I wasn't tracking the stat changes as well as I probably should have - but yeah, overall, stability is worth putting effort into :) |
| 03:54.49 | seebs | Stability, and also that in general changes that might break stuff happened either well before or well after the expansion. |
| 03:55.59 | seebs | Hey, not your part of the UI or anything, but: |
| 03:56.14 | seebs | Do you know whether anyone at Trion is aware of the Mysterious Gradually Moving Bags? |
| 04:12.34 | ZorbaBeta | News to me! What's the issue? |
| 04:18.44 | seebs | Some but not all inventory bags move slowly up the screen. |
| 04:18.49 | seebs | Roughly one pixel every time they are opened. |
| 04:19.14 | seebs | If a bag has this, it will usually keep the trait for a very long time (through relogs and so on). |
| 04:19.17 | ZorbaBeta | Interesting. Can you cause that by just mashing the open button over and over? What's your UI scale? |
| 04:19.32 | seebs | When it's happening, spamming b will do it. |
| 04:19.59 | seebs | Hmm. Global UI scale unchecked, bag UI scale 85. |
| 04:20.21 | seebs | Doesn't seem to be happening to me right now. |
| 04:20.57 | seebs | But it must have been recently because one of my bags was about a titlebar thickness above its normal position. |
| 04:21.54 | seebs | For a long time, it was very consistent on all but my first bag, which was INSANELY annoying. |
| 04:22.26 | Noshei | yeah I think that was fixed a while ago seebs |
| 04:22.54 | seebs | I've heard reports of it pretty recently, and I just moved all my bags together when SL launched, and one of them had moved about 20 pixels by today. |
| 04:23.17 | seebs | Doesn't seem to be happening to me right now, though, yay! |
| 04:24.30 | seebs | Huh, I think the porticulum mouseover graphics are b0rked for me. |
| 04:24.45 | seebs | I get Reclaimer's Hold for most of the ones in the SL area, and Sanctum for Tempest Bay. |
| 04:25.35 | Noshei | that was a bug through beta for a while |
| 04:40.45 | seebs | ... and my bags just moved to new locations. Like, all of them did. |
| 04:41.09 | seebs | Meh. I may have gotten gunk in this keyboard and I see no obvious places to take it apart. |
| 06:36.13 | seebs | "You cannot preview if you have changed form." This has many implications for how the game thinks about player models. |
| 08:02.51 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not sure I've ever seen a clean implementation of polymorphing :V |
| 08:24.57 | Baanano | polymorphing and posession have always been hard to implement cleanly, moreover when design adds them as an afterthough |
| 08:28.46 | seebs | Baanano: Is the "Search" tab in BananAH greyed out for a reason, or am I doing something wrong? |
| 08:29.29 | Baanano | probably you're using a pre 0.4.x version |
| 08:29.45 | Baanano | try this one |
| 08:29.46 | Baanano | http://rift.curseforge.com/addons/bananah/files/73-0-4-4-rc2/ |
| 08:45.01 | seebs | Ahh, that could well be it. |
| 08:45.09 | seebs | I am using whatever was on riftui when I visited there. |
| 08:46.01 | Baanano | yeah, the version in riftui is still 0.3.x, i haven't released 0.4.x yet :( |
| 08:46.52 | seebs | ayup! that does indeed help. |
| 08:47.05 | Baanano | i was waiting for the translators to catch up, but they aren't active |
| 08:48.01 | seebs | Hmm. I don't seem to be successfully searching. although I haven't run a scan since updating. |
| 08:48.14 | seebs | And you probably already know, but the max level isn't 50 anymore. :P |
| 08:48.32 | Baanano | search scans against your offline db |
| 08:48.39 | Baanano | oh you're so right |
| 08:48.57 | seebs | I did a full scan maybe ten minutes ago on 0.3.x. |
| 08:49.20 | ZorbaBeta | fun fact, I ran into that same bug on my personal auction addon :V I guess I should probably add some kind of Inspect.System.Constants() framework for things like "max level" |
| 08:49.35 | seebs | Huh. |
| 08:49.57 | Noshei | whats this personal auction addon you speak of? |
| 08:50.04 | seebs | Yeah, and currencies. And stats, perhaps -- I believe there was some mention of a fundamental cap for base mana (not including special buffs). |
| 08:50.10 | ZorbaBeta | when the auction API came out, I wrote my own addon to manage auctions because there weren't any others |
| 08:50.20 | Noshei | ah |
| 08:50.29 | ZorbaBeta | it's entirely possible that baanano's addon would work fine for my purposes, but it didn't exist when I wrote mine and I'm too lazy to change |
| 08:50.36 | seebs | d'oh |
| 08:50.51 | seebs | My own fault: I opened BananAH without ever having opened the auctioneer's interface. |
| 08:50.56 | Noshei | yes seeebs, there is. At lvl 60 the cap is 17,000 Mana, not including consumables that directly increase your mana |
| 08:51.08 | ZorbaBeta | I haven't released mine bceause it's full of hardcoded stuff and preferences, it's not intended to be used by anyone except me. so. :) |
| 08:51.22 | Noshei | ah fair enough |
| 08:51.38 | seebs | I am really sick of bidding against someone on this stack of cloth. |
| 08:52.00 | ZorbaBeta | I've got a few other addons that do similar things, mostly taking the form "when you open a dialog, there is a button you can press that automatically does the thing Zorba would want to have happen if he pressed this button". Not exactly general-purpose. |
| 08:52.11 | seebs | Yeah, I do that. |
| 08:52.29 | seebs | I had a WoW addon which adjusted a couple of settings for stuff that was broken in the UI at the time. |
| 08:52.59 | seebs | So, longago, I found some sounds in Lantern Hook that weren't controlled by sliders. I've been finding those elsewhere and reporting them as I go. |
| 08:53.06 | ZorbaBeta | I actually had a rather "fun" event - I started collecting stuff to sell on day one, since I knew an auction API would show up eventually. I mailed it to a bank alt, then just let it sit. once it bounced back to my main character, I'd take it and re-mail it |
| 08:53.15 | ZorbaBeta | then my server got slated for closing |
| 08:53.22 | seebs | oh geeze |
| 08:53.41 | seebs | see, this is why we need account bank storage and also more character slots. :P |
| 08:53.56 | ZorbaBeta | so I had to quickly level up a few characters to level 15 so they could be packed up with stuff and transferred, and *then* I discovered that I had too many slots to simply send a random collection of stuff to one character or another |
| 08:54.20 | ZorbaBeta | so I ended up writing an addon that would send items to whoever already had stacks of that item, so I wouldn't end up with six half-stacks of lumber on each character |
| 08:54.46 | seebs | Heh. |
| 08:54.49 | Noshei | nice |
| 08:54.57 | seebs | Baggotry does some of the "who already has this" work for me. |
| 08:55.01 | ZorbaBeta | in the end it worked out fine, but it was more work than I'd intended to do :V |
| 08:55.14 | ZorbaBeta | oh, and if I remember correctly, this was before the mail API existed |
| 08:55.21 | ZorbaBeta | but after the slot API existed |
| 08:55.32 | ZorbaBeta | so the addon *actually* just organized items into bags, then told me which bag needed to be mailed to which character. |
| 08:55.56 | seebs | BTW, I think someone finally fixed the mailbox UI bug. |
| 08:56.06 | seebs | From the first addition of auto-subject until... fairly recently, anyway. |
| 08:56.18 | ZorbaBeta | which one? |
| 08:56.31 | seebs | If you sent stuff that got an auto-subject, then tried to send more mail to the same person, it would auto-fill the previous subject, then not let you send mail because you had not entered a subject. |
| 08:56.45 | ZorbaBeta | oh yeah, I remember that one. I think it got filed as a bug, I guess someone finally got to it |
| 08:56.51 | Noshei | odd, never had that happen to me |
| 08:57.07 | Noshei | and I've played with mail a ton |
| 08:57.08 | seebs | I have lost track of how many bugs I have reported. |
| 08:57.29 | seebs | I think early on some Trion person told me it was well over 100, but I don't recall for sure. |
| 08:58.14 | Baanano | damn, so many new categories in the ah >_< |
| 08:58.40 | seebs | Back in beta, there was a category for Bandages. I think there's still signs that there was an early intent to make cooking/fishing/first-aid. |
| 08:59.00 | seebs | Still sorta wondering whether Trapping will ever come back, or whether it's permanently discarded. |
| 09:01.25 | seebs | Found a cool crafting bug. |
| 09:01.35 | seebs | The materials for the runecrafter waterbreathing item haven't been changed. |
| 09:01.42 | seebs | So it now requires an item which has been removed from the game. |
| 09:02.19 | ZorbaBeta | http://jarkko1.deviantart.com/#/d5d2l2v this is pretty neat |
| 09:02.25 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, hah, that's fun. I'll send that up to QA :) |
| 09:02.45 | Baanano | zorba, the new categories show wrong names |
| 09:02.47 | seebs | According to someone on the forums, the apothecary one got fixed. |
| 09:03.05 | ZorbaBeta | baanano, hmm, do they? the dataset may not have been filled out properly by the designers of the new categories, what's the issue? |
| 09:03.18 | Baanano | cape reports "armor" |
| 09:03.24 | Baanano | and the dimension stuff just "" |
| 09:03.28 | ZorbaBeta | sigh |
| 09:03.32 | ZorbaBeta | I'll take a look at that on Monday |
| 09:03.35 | ZorbaBeta | easy fix, most likely |
| 09:03.52 | ZorbaBeta | should probably rig it up to notify me when the auction categories get touched :P |
| 09:04.11 | seebs | The SL launch has really impressed me with how much people can whine about stuff. |
| 09:04.27 | seebs | Did you know that this is the WORST launch EVER in the history of MMOs, buggier than all other MMO expansion launches? |
| 09:04.39 | seebs | With a ridiculously huge amount of downtime, and an incredible number of crashes? |
| 09:05.01 | seebs | Why, just yesterday, I think the servers were down for a good twenty minutes from a crash, and the Trion people didn't even bother to send out an announcement before the crash. |
| 09:05.03 | ZorbaBeta | hah, yeah. All goes to show that there's no way you can please some people |
| 09:06.02 | seebs | Yeah, Apothecary got fixed, it now requires the level 28 storm mirror, which still drops (at least I think it does). |
| 09:06.11 | seebs | Runecrafter still needs the Antiquated Tempest Mirror, though. |
| 09:09.25 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: need to get flags in for the different buttons on a mail message |
| 09:09.34 | Noshei | that would be great and very helpful |
| 09:09.49 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, yeah, on the todo list :) |
| 09:09.57 | Baanano | ZorbaBeta, another one: my cape reports category "misc other" on Inspect.Item.Detail, but that category already existed before |
| 09:10.08 | ZorbaBeta | baanano, which cape? |
| 09:10.25 | Noshei | also a slight bug with one of them. When a message is returned to you, the "Return to sender" button is enabled, but using it does nothing at all |
| 09:10.31 | Baanano | Storm Warden's Cape |
| 09:10.54 | ZorbaBeta | will check it out, and will report the mail bug, 'cause that should be taken care of |
| 09:11.34 | seebs | Oh, Zorba! I am remember my other question: |
| 09:11.47 | seebs | Is there a way I can determine whether two people are in the same coordinate space? |
| 09:12.23 | ZorbaBeta | nope! I actually have no idea how to deal with that yet, you'd be amazed how little the client knows about coordinate spaces |
| 09:12.34 | ZorbaBeta | so, uh. on the todo list, but kinda far down it :V |
| 09:12.46 | seebs | I thought I'd just use .zone, but it turns out that you can be five meters from someone in different zones. |
| 09:13.18 | seebs | I suspect that only one player is in an instance, or both are in instances but have different zones, may well work. |
| 09:13.31 | seebs | Except I think zones are used within dungeons to give region names that you see when running around. |
| 09:16.14 | Baanano | the Lanzan capes are using category "armor" |
| 09:16.41 | ZorbaBeta | it's entirely possible there's a bug in the categorization |
| 09:17.40 | seebs | Ah-HAH! |
| 09:17.47 | Baanano | i'll wait then :) |
| 09:18.20 | ZorbaBeta | that said, if you find any other capes that are being mistakenly categorized in a different way, let me know :) |
| 09:18.27 | seebs | They have fixed one of the good places to get to interesting parts of Tempest Bay. Stupid invisible walls. |
| 09:19.12 | Noshei | I know, they suck |
| 09:19.28 | seebs | Not, admittedly, as much as getting stuck under the city sucked. |
| 09:20.01 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta, is there any chance that we will get a a Command to retrieve item information that the client doesn't have? |
| 09:20.19 | seebs | Hah! Made it through anyway over by the craf... oops. |
| 09:20.20 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, if you have the item type ID, Inspect.Item.Detail() will already do that |
| 09:20.33 | ZorbaBeta | although it won't yet notify you when it's been received, so you'll have to check again in (arbitrary time period) |
| 09:21.07 | Noshei | ok then the item id that is given in a mail message isn't sufficient for that |
| 09:21.25 | ZorbaBeta | I believe if you inspect the detail of the mail message, you should get a type that can be used for that |
| 09:21.35 | ZorbaBeta | item ids start with i, item types start with I and are much longer |
| 09:22.24 | Noshei | yeah looks like mail messages only give item id's and not item type ID's |
| 09:23.06 | ZorbaBeta | does inspect.item.detail(itemid).type not work? |
| 09:23.20 | Noshei | not unless you have the item available to you |
| 09:23.25 | seebs | heh |
| 09:23.34 | ZorbaBeta | ah, yes, you'll need to do that on whoever had the item available |
| 09:23.37 | seebs | there is an invisible wall by some of the crafting trainers in tempest bay. |
| 09:23.41 | seebs | I am on the wrong side of it. |
| 09:24.18 | Noshei | well no I mean, once the item is no longer available, like say you use an artifact, the inspect on the item id returns nil |
| 09:24.37 | ZorbaBeta | ah, yep, that's because the item no longer exists :) |
| 09:25.10 | Noshei | so would it be possible to get the item type id in the mail message data then? |
| 09:25.30 | Noshei | or should I just pull it through inspect.item.detail()? |
| 09:25.37 | ZorbaBeta | just pull it through inspect.item.detail() |
| 09:25.50 | Noshei | dang it |
| 09:25.55 | ZorbaBeta | it's the kind of thing that might be a kind of nice feature but it's just not worth the coding time |
| 09:26.05 | Noshei | not my 6 months of archive data is completely useless |
| 09:26.08 | seebs | So, a friend wants to reup, but her old email address got unmade. |
| 09:26.26 | seebs | And I can't find an obvious way to change that that doesn't involve phone calls, which she's pretty averse to. |
| 09:26.27 | ZorbaBeta | ah, yeah, sorry. you couldn't get at that data today even if you had full access to our server databases - the items are literally gone. |
| 09:32.54 | seebs | Huh, defiants can get achievements for praying to the vigil at shrines. |
| 09:34.50 | ZorbaBeta | it's worth pointing out that the defiant/guardian split isn't "guardians believe in the vigil and defiants don't". the vigil is real, and not exactly subtle about its existence. the split is more based on whether you're willing to follow the vigil or not. It'd be perfectly reasonable for Defiants to respect the Vigil but still disagree with the Guardians approach to them.. |
| 09:36.07 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 09:36.19 | seebs | I actually poke at that boundary a bit in RP. |
| 09:37.06 | seebs | I have a defiant cleric who is *absolutely convinced* that, in Terminus, she was resurrected, not by Sylver's stupid machines, but by the Vigil. Who had finally realized that, genie being out of the bottle, they had no real choice but to work with the tools available to defend Telara. |
| 09:37.31 | seebs | ... So she considers the present-time Vigil to be sadly deluded and in need of education about the will of the Vigil. |
| 09:37.31 | ZorbaBeta | hah, I like that |
| 09:38.00 | seebs | What amuses me: People keep trying to tell me that her beliefs are contrary to lore. Well, uhm. So? |
| 09:38.42 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, as if all people in modern reality are fully aware of and in agreement with established history :V |
| 09:39.31 | seebs | And it's not even possible for anyone in the world to confirm or deny her belief, as the circumstances under which she formed it don't exist and probably never will. |
| 09:39.59 | ZorbaBeta | *nod* |
| 09:40.01 | Noshei | ok yay, got it to work with item type id's |
| 09:40.10 | seebs | Does rift's support have fixed hours for ticket processing? |
| 09:40.22 | seebs | Apparently, "come look at Tempest Bay" was a good sales pitch. |
| 09:40.58 | ZorbaBeta | I'm actually not sure. I think we have 24/7 CS for emergency stuff, but there is of course no guarantee that any specific ticket will reach them. And I could be wrong on that. |
| 09:41.26 | seebs | Alternatively, does your job description involve altering people's email addresses? :P |
| 09:42.35 | ZorbaBeta | nope, I don't even have access to those databases and tools :) |
| 09:42.49 | seebs | I think my key complaint about how Trion is run is the way I don't have personal write access to the customer database so I can fix problems that inconvenience me. |
| 09:43.00 | seebs | It's not as though there's any security risks. I'm cool. |
| 09:44.41 | seebs | Harbinger really is a beautifully done character concept. |
| 09:44.59 | ZorbaBeta | yeah Harbinger is super cool. Our designers did a great job in general. |
| 09:45.20 | seebs | Harbinger+necro => I'm the tank, my pet is just DPSing. |
| 09:45.32 | seebs | At 58 or so, I could have LGV, the scythe, and the lich pet. |
| 09:45.39 | seebs | At this point, basically everything is awesome. |
| 09:46.33 | ZorbaBeta | I'm doing Harbinger+Elementalist right now, with my pet as the tank. Admittedly I'm still at 50. |
| 09:46.53 | seebs | heh |
| 09:47.05 | seebs | Yeah, I've got ONE character nearly to 51. |
| 09:49.33 | seebs | I would be closer except I went to the old world to clear out old quests, and long story short, I'm hunting snakes in Gloamwood. |
| 09:57.49 | seebs | Hmm. I thought they spawned faster, maybe I should go somewhere else. |
| 09:57.58 | seebs | I am one tear away from my Spirit of Tears. |
| 10:14.10 | seebs | My, what an excess of fresh, delicious, mice I have. I think I will give them away to anyone who has legs! |
| 10:14.15 | *** join/#riftuidev fewyn (~fewyn@fewyn.net) |
| 10:14.16 | *** mode/#riftuidev [+v fewyn] by ChanServ |
| 10:17.26 | Noshei | lol |
| 10:17.49 | seebs | Sadly, no luck so far. BUT NOT SADLY ENOUGH. |
| 10:18.09 | Noshei | still trying to get a snake? |
| 10:18.22 | seebs | snake tears are challenging. |
| 10:18.30 | seebs | I love how many crying snakes Trion has hidden in other stuff. |
| 10:18.33 | Noshei | yeah, thats what the AH is for |
| 10:18.58 | seebs | One of the scratch-off games in rift mobile had a snake off to one side. You could scratch there and it would "reveal" a tear. Not that this does you any good. |
| 10:19.50 | Noshei | got a snake tear on greybriar for 20g bid on ah |
| 10:20.13 | seebs | nice! |
| 10:20.33 | Noshei | if you want it |
| 10:20.46 | seebs | Nah, I enjoy artifact hunting in and of itself. |
| 10:20.57 | Noshei | ok, crazy |
| 10:21.10 | seebs | I made a *build* for artifact hunting. |
| 10:25.27 | Noshei | lol |
| 10:29.18 | Thorarin | Hmm, when I stand still and jump, my cloak disappears into my body -.- |
| 10:29.39 | Thorarin | Looks kinda silly |
| 10:34.16 | ZorbaBeta | lemme guess, male bahmi? |
| 10:36.21 | Noshei | so if you do GetText() within a KeyDown or KeyUp event on a Text frame, it won't return the new value |
| 10:36.45 | Noshei | so if the text frame was blank and you hit 2, it returns it as blank |
| 10:36.52 | Thorarin | Male dorf ;) |
| 10:37.08 | ZorbaBeta | bah, guess it hits more races than that one :) known bug, anyway, I've got a few ideas what's causing it |
| 10:37.17 | ZorbaBeta | some of which are my fault :V |
| 10:37.27 | Thorarin | hehe |
| 10:37.40 | Thorarin | All in all the cloaks are pretty nice tho :) |
| 10:37.49 | ZorbaBeta | yeah they turned out well |
| 10:38.05 | Thorarin | People just commented on them when riding elevators etc :) |
| 10:38.11 | ZorbaBeta | btw if you have a cpu with a ton of cores, the cloak sim code will happily multithread, so feel free to ramp cloak detail up to max |
| 10:38.32 | Thorarin | Hmm, didn't even check the settings |
| 10:38.33 | ZorbaBeta | hah, yeah, that's on my todo list |
| 10:38.44 | Thorarin | But hexacore hyperthreading should o ;) |
| 10:38.49 | ZorbaBeta | I should probably put a note to that effect in the cloak detail tooltip |
| 10:39.28 | ZorbaBeta | note that the only real difference it makes is how many cloaks it tries to simulate at once, though |
| 10:39.34 | Thorarin | Oh, it was set to high automagically :) |
| 10:39.47 | ZorbaBeta | ah, you must have the detail settings at ultra :) |
| 10:39.54 | Noshei | zorba would you call that a bug with text frames not returning the new value within a key event where the value was changed? |
| 10:40.02 | Thorarin | Well higher, but yeah |
| 10:40.27 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, eh. the problem is that the ordering of events was never particularly well-defined. this is another example of a situation where the frame event system needs significant improvements |
| 10:40.44 | ZorbaBeta | it's not a code bug because it was never guaranteed to work otherwise, and arguably, the entire frame event system is a design bug |
| 10:41.20 | Noshei | so basically its a "live with it" |
| 10:41.24 | Thorarin | Well defined event ordering would make things a lot easier |
| 10:41.30 | Noshei | yeah |
| 10:41.34 | ZorbaBeta | For now. Until I figure out how to solve all the systems based around that :/ |
| 10:41.42 | Thorarin | Not just for frames really :) |
| 10:41.55 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I have vague plans for how to fix all of that . . . the problem is that it would involve one of two nasty decisions |
| 10:42.07 | ZorbaBeta | one option is to deprecate the entire event system as it currently stands, breaking every addon in existence |
| 10:42.37 | ZorbaBeta | the other option is to leave both event systems in place forever, creating a maintenance nightmare and removing all the efficiency gains (though not api gains) that a new event system would produce |
| 10:42.59 | ZorbaBeta | I have not yet come up with a third option. If you have an idea, I'd love to hear it :V |
| 10:43.03 | Noshei | I would say go with option one |
| 10:43.32 | ZorbaBeta | it's what I'm leaning towards, but something like that involves me going to my boss and justifying my choice, and I've been hoping I come up with an option 3 before that. |
| 10:43.52 | Baanano | option one in pts right after a patch, so we have time to adapt our code |
| 10:44.05 | ZorbaBeta | well, option one would use the same compatibility-mode trick that you've seen before |
| 10:44.07 | Noshei | just tell your boss that Noshei said you should do it, that is all the justification you need |
| 10:44.17 | ZorbaBeta | (obligatory warning, compatibility mode going away with 2.1, make sure your code works) |
| 10:44.38 | ZorbaBeta | but still, there's a lot of addons that would never make the update |
| 10:44.54 | Noshei | had compatibility mode off since 1.11 i think |
| 10:44.55 | Baanano | which would be the changes? |
| 10:45.10 | ZorbaBeta | baanano, which, for the hypothetical event redesign, or for the 2.1 changes? |
| 10:45.19 | Baanano | the event redesign |
| 10:45.22 | Thorarin | Option 1 with the same kind of transition as before would be fine I think |
| 10:45.43 | Thorarin | One patch things living next to eachother, next patch compatibility mode |
| 10:46.00 | ZorbaBeta | it would basically mean that every global event hook insertion or frame hook insertion would need to be re-coded, likely with another parameter added to the handlers |
| 10:46.28 | Baanano | would be get cancellable events? :P |
| 10:46.50 | ZorbaBeta | cancellable frame events, absolutely. I'm a little more hesitant to provide cancellable global events, but it would create a spot for that functionality to be added later |
| 10:46.54 | Noshei | ok now this is just stupid |
| 10:47.11 | Noshei | so I did a reloadui, and now it is working the way I want |
| 10:47.14 | Thorarin | Cancellable also implies event bubbling? |
| 10:47.24 | ZorbaBeta | thorarin, yup |
| 10:47.37 | Thorarin | Because that would make things a lot easier at times |
| 10:47.59 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it'd be a big improvement |
| 10:48.29 | Baanano | go for it, tell your boss it needs to be done and it'd best to do it before returning players start writing new addons |
| 10:48.50 | ZorbaBeta | mmm, that's a point |
| 10:50.07 | Baanano | some cancellable global events could be nice too, ex: when a bag item is right clicked you raise an event, and any addon could decide to handle that click instead of the game, that would allow us to add new uses for items without having to resort to invisible frames |
| 10:50.53 | ZorbaBeta | interesting idea there |
| 10:54.50 | Thorarin | Carnage: Leave You Vhar Behind, lol |
| 10:55.06 | Thorarin | Who comes up with all these music related achiement and quest names :D |
| 11:00.15 | Noshei | so I've been wondering ZorbaBeta, did they intentionally implement fishing in a way that is easily automated? |
| 11:00.39 | ZorbaBeta | I doubt it. the first goal is always to make it fun |
| 11:01.00 | Noshei | I thought the first goal of fishing was to drive you crazy |
| 11:01.56 | Noshei | it is just kinda suprising that they dump everything to chat when it is so easy to have a third party program parse the chat log and click a button |
| 11:02.32 | Thorarin | I don't think it actually shows in the log? |
| 11:02.44 | Noshei | yeah it does, in the non combat log |
| 11:43.19 | Baanano | there was no error report today? |
| 11:47.49 | ZorbaBeta | it's possible there's a bug in the error report system, it's considered noncritical and occasionally doesn't work. If you haven't gotten one by Monday I'll look into it - not a lot I can do right now anyway :V |
| 11:50.44 | Baanano | ok |
| 13:59.57 | *** join/#riftuidev g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 17:25.07 | *** join/#riftuidev g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 18:57.28 | *** join/#riftuidev Imhothar (~miranda@ppp-88-217-55-34.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 19:36.21 | Thorarin | *poof* |
| 19:36.27 | Thorarin | There go all the servers |
| 20:03.15 | seebs | Zorba, I have a thought about the event system, although it is not a good thought. |
| 20:04.42 | seebs | Depending on what the new event system needed, imagine that frame event tables included a new member, ".handled", which is a function the event handler can call to pass back information like "and please consider this event handled, and consume it". |
| 20:05.17 | seebs | If you can make the new behavior contingent on opt-in behaviors in handlers, it won't break things, so you don't have to deprecate them, but you don't have two totally unrelated systems, just one system with a slightly-too-large behavioral dependency. |
| 20:06.14 | Imhothar | or allow event handlers to return a boolean |
| 20:11.33 | seebs | That might break existing code conceivably. |
| 20:11.55 | Imhothar | not if the default, i.e. not returning anything keeps the same semantics as now |
| 20:46.39 | seebs | Except people might be using functions which return a value under some circumstances. Either unintentionally, or because they're calling the handler from somewhere else with their own fake events, for instance. |
| 22:12.37 | *** join/#riftuidev Baanano (~chatzilla@90.162.194.93) |