| 00:00.50 | Imhothar | not much cmpany though except for schizophrenic addon dev |
| 00:02.23 | Wildtide | i resent that remark! and so do i! |
| 00:03.44 | Imhothar | Nine voices in my head say I'm normal, one is humming the melody of Tetris. |
| 00:03.54 | Wildtide | seebs, you're welcome to join if you want to test guild stuff. it's actually on Blightweald, but still the wrong side of the pond for you |
| 00:04.02 | Wildtide | lol |
| 00:04.09 | Imhothar | oh, right, Blightweald |
| 00:05.30 | Wildtide | but the main advantage is there is no need to be social, cos it's not a real guild :) |
| 00:18.55 | Imhothar | right, now where do we quickly get 300 plat for a new vault... |
| 00:20.28 | Wildtide | lol, can't help you there. i've never had 300 plat ever, not even on my main |
| 00:20.35 | Imhothar | same here |
| 00:20.48 | Imhothar | We really need a cash cor for PTS |
| 00:20.51 | Imhothar | *cow |
| 00:24.47 | Wildtide | there's something very odd about being able to kill a fire elemental by setting it on fire |
| 00:27.41 | seebs | Pj. O |
| 00:27.44 | seebs | ack |
| 00:27.48 | seebs | I hate it when my hands are a letter over. |
| 00:28.16 | seebs | Oh, mostly looking for a social guild. I decided to apply to one of the LGBTQ-friendly guilds; I figure either I'll be really happy with them or they'll kick me out almost immediately. |
| 00:29.16 | Imhothar | A what guild? |
| 00:29.50 | seebs | LGBTQ = lesbian/gay/bi/trans/queer, so basically gays and other people who tend to get lumped in with them. |
| 00:30.23 | Imhothar | aha, and why should the guild members care about your sexual orientation? |
| 00:30.34 | seebs | What I've found is that guilds which claim to be LGBT or LGBTQ friendly tend to either be a rare island of relative immunity to the "teenage boys who are insecure about their sexuality and take it out on everyone else" thing, or vehement and crazy social justice warriors who hate me. |
| 00:30.38 | seebs | Well, here's the thing. |
| 00:30.41 | seebs | Ideally, they shouldn't. |
| 00:30.53 | seebs | In practice, at least in US-based games, there's usually a significant portion of the population who do. |
| 00:31.01 | Imhothar | Hugh |
| 00:31.19 | seebs | And for complicated reasons to do with how human brains work, the net result is that if a guy refers to a "boyfriend", these people will invariably make a huge fuss and cause trouble. |
| 00:31.28 | seebs | So a guild which excludes those people can be pleasant. |
| 00:31.44 | Imhothar | I've been in quite a few guilds in WoW and never found anyone caring about that |
| 00:32.04 | seebs | EU servers? |
| 00:32.09 | Imhothar | at least not publicly |
| 00:32.10 | Imhothar | aye |
| 00:32.14 | seebs | My understanding is that it's WAY better in EU than in NA. |
| 00:32.16 | Imhothar | no idea what people think |
| 00:32.32 | Imhothar | one even had a gay leader who was all but silent about it |
| 00:32.49 | seebs | In NA, if I just stayed logged in to WoW and watched Trade during peak hours, I would see people making derogatory remarks about gays probably every 3-5 minutes. |
| 00:33.03 | Imhothar | Oh |
| 00:33.17 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 00:33.40 | seebs | I thought MMOs were just like that, but it turns out, WoW's really bad. Rift's pretty decent, although there's a few people on the forums who will seek any excuse to cause trouble about it. |
| 00:33.53 | Imhothar | well some teenage kids and idiots may do that here, too. But they are rather rare and tend to be kicked out of most guilds real quick |
| 00:34.16 | seebs | Yeah. In NA, it's somewhat more tolerated, for the most part. Mostly. It's becoming a lot less tolerated over the last few years. |
| 00:36.13 | Imhothar | Well, not tolerating haters is quite a big thing in Germany due to our history, so racists, homophobes and all those people aren't really wanted in guilds |
| 00:37.48 | Imhothar | no idea how it's in other places |
| 00:39.26 | Imhothar | to me it's a sign of a low intelligence if someone acts like that |
| 00:40.37 | Imhothar | or a really intensive mindwashing education |
| 00:43.00 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 00:43.18 | seebs | It's getting better, I think, in a lot of ways. |
| 00:43.58 | Wildtide | over here, i'd say there is a definite tendency for the older generations, in the more remote villages, to be much more likely to be racist/homophobic, but in general, it's not tolerated |
| 00:49.46 | Imhothar | Well, every time I hear some state government in the US to argue about gay marriage I bang my head against the desk |
| 00:51.08 | Imhothar | There are way more important problems than who sleeps with whom |
| 00:53.33 | Wildtide | right... better get to bed. need to be up in the morning :( |
| 00:53.38 | Wildtide | nn all |
| 00:53.44 | seebs | Yeah. We are facing that in MN at the moment, there's a proposed amendment to our state constitution to limit marriage to male/female couples. Which is already what the law sort of says, but it would be more durable if done that way. |
| 00:57.13 | Imhothar | Yeah, freedom for everyone, except those who don't fit into the christian view of the world |
| 00:58.30 | seebs | It's not got much to do with Christianity, I don't think. I know more Christians who support gay marriage rights than who oppose them these days. |
| 00:58.45 | seebs | It's a political thing; it turned out to be a great way to mobilize voters, so it became a Big Deal. |
| 00:58.57 | Imhothar | great |
| 00:59.20 | Imhothar | but it shows how important it is to quite a bunch of people to mess with other's bedrooms |
| 01:01.20 | seebs | I think mostly it's less to do with the specifics, and more with the em |
| 01:01.26 | seebs | emotional importance of focusing on someone else. |
| 01:01.43 | seebs | MHO, it's a thing that allows people to not think about how many hungry people they've fed in the last year. Or decade. |
| 01:30.40 | Imhothar | interesting, the native UI does not store window positions on a /reloadui |
| 01:41.18 | seebs | I had just noticed this today. |
| 01:41.24 | seebs | It may be an unintentional change. |
| 01:42.57 | Imhothar | This guild bank integration is a major pain |
| 01:43.12 | Imhothar | You got to account for lots of stuff that can happen while you're offline |
| 01:46.25 | Imhothar | The way lootable items are implemented is quite lacking |
| 01:47.12 | Imhothar | once you open a container it disappears from your inventory, but if you don't have enough place for the contents you got that loot window open all the time |
| 01:47.23 | Imhothar | and if you somehow manage to close that window all thes tuff is gone |
| 02:29.10 | seebs | That's sort of flawed, yeah. |
| 02:56.02 | Imhothar | so is the "target raid member" lag definitely a Trion bug? do we have any new info on this? |
| 02:58.23 | Noshei | "<ZorbaTHut> seebs, noshei, imhothar, yeah, there's some weird addon issue. for what it's worth, it *is* crashing inside an API call - it seems to be that some addon (no idea which) is handling Event.Combat.Heal in a way that involves a :SetText(), and that's where it stays until the *big* watchdog catches it. No idea how yet." |
| 03:05.53 | seebs | Yeah, I saw that. Very strange. |
| 03:06.23 | Imhothar | they didn't desribe the game to crash |
| 03:06.37 | Imhothar | just to freeze for a while |
| 03:09.03 | Imhothar | Sure it's the same issue? |
| 03:34.33 | seebs | Hard to be certain, but it seems likely to me. |
| 03:35.25 | Imhothar | I don't know. No one in the thread mentions a game crash, but the "big" watchdog is the one that kills the game after 15 secs |
| 03:40.28 | seebs | Keep in mind, (1) bug reports are usually inaccurate, (2) it's not unheard of for killing graphics-heavy games, especially fullscreen ones, to break Windows machines. It should be, but it's not. |
| 03:40.50 | seebs | Hmm. Idle question: Is there a way to detect the states where the game is intentionally showing no cursor, such as when using the mouse to look or steer? |
| 03:41.34 | Imhothar | doubt it |
| 03:54.38 | seebs | Merisioux takes 3115 damage from Falling Damage. (415 overheal) |
| 03:54.45 | seebs | Some days, I really want to know what's happening. |
| 03:55.08 | seebs | I'm sort of suspecting that it's telling me indirectly that had I had more health, I might have taken 415 more points or something. |
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| 05:53.02 | starlon | 13 fps \:D/ |
| 05:53.06 | starlon | :/ |
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| 07:05.42 | Imhothar | Wish there was a command to clear the item cache of all item types the player doesn't own |
| 07:21.46 | Imhothar | hmm I'm not convinced the targetting dead players thing is caused by what ZorbaTHut described. They describe it as lag or freeze, and I bet if the game really crashed due to the big watchdog killing the process then those people would use different words than "lag" |
| 07:23.55 | seebs | You might be right. |
| 07:27.11 | Imhothar | I believe two functions calling each other with Utility.Dispatch or custom events in a ciruclar fashion sounds more likely as each call would reset the watchdog. |
| 07:27.33 | Noshei | yeah but it takes 15 seconds of lockup before it kills the game, so if the issue was resolved in that time then there wouldn't be a crash |
| 07:27.39 | Imhothar | if the abort condition takes 10000 iterations you could encounter "severe lag" |
| 07:27.58 | Imhothar | exactly, and that's why I think it's something different |
| 07:28.35 | Imhothar | what Zorba described sounded like a deadlock within the API causing a game crash |
| 07:34.21 | jmerlin | zorba's internet-famous |
| 07:38.08 | jmerlin | http://preshing.com/20121026/1mb-sorting-explained |
| 08:23.47 | seebs | Okay, that was pretty epic. |
| 08:24.03 | seebs | Zone event, I ended up defending the sole remaining wardstone for about an HOUR while people cleared rifts. Slowly. |
| 08:24.36 | seebs | Then the boss came and attacked, leaving a level 37 mage solo against an event boss for about 2 minutes. Luckily, it was at the barricade in Scarwood Reach where random NPCs spawn really rapidly. |
| 08:24.52 | seebs | We ended up killing the boss while its spell that broke the wardstone was in flight. |
| 08:25.00 | seebs | And that's one of the events you fail if the wardstone goes down while the boss is up. |
| 08:25.27 | seebs | Drama! Excitement! ... and now bedtime, because that kept me up an hour later than I expected to be up. |
| 08:25.39 | jmerlin | Do it on Alpha. |
| 08:25.41 | jmerlin | :) |
| 08:26.19 | seebs | Also, for the record: dom/chloro is pretty solid for wardstone defense. |
| 08:26.38 | seebs | I basically didn't run low on health during anything but the boss fight. |
| 08:28.03 | jmerlin | The way Vex used to work, I could fight any number of invasions/bosses. |
| 08:28.48 | seebs | Did they change it a bunch? I haven't used it since 1.11 really. |
| 08:29.33 | jmerlin | Contempt from 45, 90% of damage done by Vex to 3, 6% of total HP returned over the 15s (for both Vex and Scourge) |
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| 18:46.27 | seebs | ... just my luck, Zorba's out. If someone sees him, can you let him know I have a security concern about Rift, and he should ping me? |
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| 19:14.54 | Imhothar | oooh is it so eveil? |
| 19:27.57 | seebs | Nah, pretty minor, but yet another thing undermining the authenticators. |
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| 21:06.21 | seebs | ... Maybe not as minor as I thought. |
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