| 00:09.03 | Wildtide | oh, cool. i really should log onto the PTS and check this stuff out |
| 00:09.56 | Imhothar | new goodies? |
| 00:13.13 | Wildtide | lots of soul changes, and apparently some sbsorb stuff too :) |
| 00:14.38 | Wildtide | oh no, just walked too close to Sanctum, and got PvP flagged |
| 00:14.45 | Wildtide | didn't know that happened :( |
| 00:14.59 | Wildtide | i feel all exposed in Silverwood now |
| 00:28.39 | Noshei | omg I want to puch the people that live below me |
| 00:28.54 | Noshei | if your music is so loud I can feel it, it is way to fuckin loud |
| 00:30.24 | Imhothar | or they have really high quality subwoofers and like bass-heavy music ;) |
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| 00:33.42 | Imhothar | Zorba should do some advertising and get french, korean and russian people in here |
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| 02:09.22 | Imhothar | Time for photoshopping |
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| 04:20.08 | Noshei | omg I've parsed Cleric DPS so much over the past week I don't think I ever want to again, lol |
| 04:21.19 | jmerlin | Bolt of Despair :o |
| 04:35.13 | seebs | Wildtide: That sorta sucks. I hate the mechanic of "walk here and get flagged". MHO, the mechanic should be "if you can't do it while unflagged, it cannot be done until you flag". |
| 04:57.13 | Noshei | Baanano, Imhothar, just added October Gizmo on Curse http://rift.curseforge.com/addons/monthly-gizmos-september-2012/ |
| 06:19.19 | Imhothar | If only I didn't suck at photoshop... |
| 06:23.37 | Noshei | Imhothar: what are you trying to do |
| 06:24.00 | Imhothar | I don't know |
| 06:24.12 | Imhothar | something that doesn't look like crap |
| 06:24.19 | Noshei | lol |
| 06:24.28 | Noshei | well what are you trying to make? |
| 06:24.48 | Imhothar | a 24x24 icon indicating category-based item grouping |
| 06:25.13 | Noshei | whats it for? |
| 06:25.30 | Imhothar | for indicating category-based item grouping? |
| 06:25.44 | Noshei | oh for your bag aggon |
| 06:25.48 | Noshei | *addon |
| 06:28.59 | Noshei | http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/811570/106577402/stock-vector-a-large-group-of-pixel-people-with-different-category-vector-icon-design-106577402.jpg |
| 06:29.08 | Noshei | just make a simplier version of that |
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| 08:58.22 | Imhothar | interesting, bones and skulls are categorized as leather |
| 09:01.39 | Imhothar | and teeth and claws... I would have called the category "butchered" |
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| 09:39.59 | Imhothar | hmm people either download alpha versions of my addon or I get my own errors in the mail report |
| 09:46.17 | jmerlin | Facebook's challenge questions for SW engineering applicants are so garbage. |
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| 21:02.13 | seebs | So I did go get a new GPU. And this is fascinating. With everything but ground clutter maxed, I get ~25fps. If I turn shadows to Environment Only, I get 28-29. If I turn absolutely every setting to its bare minimum, I get 29. |
| 21:02.53 | Noshei | what card did you get? |
| 21:03.00 | seebs | geforce 670. |
| 21:03.04 | Noshei | and where are you testing the settings? |
| 21:03.11 | seebs | Sitting in Sanctum. |
| 21:03.16 | Noshei | thats why |
| 21:03.24 | Noshei | rift has shit fps in populated areas |
| 21:03.37 | seebs | I've had better FPS than this in populated areas with a slower CPU and GPU. |
| 21:03.41 | seebs | I've hit 40-50 in Sanctum. |
| 21:04.07 | seebs | And if it were any number other than 29-30, I'd just think "I've hit the performance cap". But 30 is a Magic Number. |
| 21:04.19 | seebs | Ah-HAH! |
| 21:04.29 | seebs | I had vsync checked in the Rift settings. |
| 21:04.40 | Noshei | that makes sense then |
| 21:04.41 | seebs | Which in practice means that anything under 60 becomes 30. |
| 21:05.29 | seebs | Quirk I had with nVidia drivers maybe five years ago, which is why it seemed oddly familiar. |
| 21:06.32 | seebs | Looks like I'd definitely get a benefit from SLI, but not enough benefit to justify a more expensive power supply and another video card. |
| 21:07.15 | seebs | ... They moved the mailbox I always go to. |
| 21:07.16 | seebs | WHYYYYYYY |
| 21:08.45 | Noshei | wonder how a 670 compares to my 2x480 |
| 21:09.23 | seebs | Probably faster, might not be much faster depending on resolution. |
| 21:09.31 | seebs | Reason for the upgrade is I got a 2560x1600 display. |
| 21:09.37 | Noshei | well mine are also OC'd |
| 21:09.45 | seebs | My old video card could do 60fps on it in everything I play that isn't Rift, but was hopeless in Rift. |
| 21:09.53 | Noshei | ah, im only running 1080 |
| 21:10.16 | Noshei | well FPS in rift is wierd |
| 21:15.44 | Thorarin | 0.o weird |
| 21:15.52 | Thorarin | I get higher on my 570 at least |
| 21:18.48 | seebs | Unchecking vsync lets me get 50+ with settings low, and 30-40 with pretty reasonable settings. Still a little under 30 with everything up, but way better than 15ish. |
| 21:18.58 | seebs | 16 to 25 is a very noticeable upgrade. |
| 21:41.02 | seebs | Now, the second question: Should I turn on the built-in display hardware on the motherboard, and use that for the second display? I doubt it'll make a significant performance difference, but it might slightly reduce load. |
| 21:47.10 | Noshei | not sure that would work |
| 21:48.25 | seebs | There's BIOS options for whether or not to turn off that hardware when there's a PCI card. |
| 21:49.18 | Noshei | yeah, and it is generally recommended to have it turned off with a dedicated card. Otherwise they can fight with each other |
| 21:50.09 | seebs | Source/mechanism? |
| 21:50.54 | seebs | I don't know that much about how Windows does this, but there's no obvious inherent problems that come to mind... Of course, I don't know much about Windows video hardware. |
| 21:57.14 | Noshei | what type of card is your integrated graphics? |
| 21:57.45 | seebs | Whatever's in the CPU (an i7). Some sort of generic Intel thing. |
| 21:57.54 | seebs | They clearly *think* it is possible for it to coexist with dedicated hardware. |
| 21:58.31 | Noshei | it is isn't nVidia then it's not likely |
| 21:59.11 | seebs | I am not understanding something, clearly. |
| 21:59.46 | seebs | I can't comprehend what can not-work. There's lots of devices in the system from many vendors. They all coexist. The BIOS clearly allows configuring the system to keep the on-board video and use external video also. |
| 22:00.27 | seebs | I guess I'm not even understanding what you would expect to not-work. Not boot? No signal? Random crashes? |
| 22:01.17 | Noshei | think of it as if you had 2 completely different dedicated video cards, your system can't use them both. Thats why there is SLI and w/e AMD uses |
| 22:01.31 | seebs | Er. |
| 22:01.38 | seebs | Wait, Windows can't use two different video cards? |
| 22:01.52 | seebs | This would never in a million years have occurred to me. |
| 22:02.02 | Noshei | I don't think it is just a windows thing |
| 22:02.13 | seebs | I have done multiple video cards dozens of times. |
| 22:02.20 | seebs | It is effortless and works flawlessly on Unix and Mac. |
| 22:02.27 | seebs | It's... I mean. |
| 22:02.38 | seebs | It's at the level of wondering whether you can have two Ethernet controllers. Of course you can. |
| 22:03.00 | seebs | You can't have them both drive a single monitor, but that's not what I'm trying to do... |
| 22:03.48 | Noshei | I've honestly never tried it, but I'm doubtful it would work |
| 22:04.11 | seebs | Weird. Well now I have to go find out. |
| 22:04.43 | seebs | I've been doing this with various X setups and OS X for 20+ years, easy. |
| 22:05.35 | Noshei | ah looks like it is MB dependant |
| 22:06.20 | Noshei | most motherboards with integrated graphics use the same PCI lanes for one of the PCI slots as it does for the integrated graphics |
| 22:06.29 | seebs | Ohhh. |
| 22:06.34 | seebs | This isn't motherboard graphics, it's CPU graphics. |
| 22:07.01 | seebs | But yeah, back when I was doing this a bunch, there WERE no integrated graphics. And video cards basically never had two video connectors. |
| 22:07.10 | seebs | So you HAD to use multiple video cards for multiple displays. |
| 22:07.23 | Noshei | yeah but CPU graphics still use the PCI lanes to transmit the graphics |
| 22:07.47 | seebs | Yeah. I am assuming, though, that they wouldn't have put an option in the BIOS for it if it didn't work. |
| 22:07.56 | seebs | One nice thing about buying an Intel board; they are relatively not-stupid. |
| 22:09.26 | Noshei | my guess is that option is there for the use of non Graphics related PCI cards |
| 22:10.21 | seebs | No, it's explicitly for whether or not to disable the onboard video when a PCIe graphics card is installed. |
| 22:10.46 | Noshei | which motherboard is it? |
| 22:11.48 | seebs | Intel DZ77BH-55K. |
| 22:15.24 | Noshei | "The board supports graphics through either the processor Intel HD Graphics or a PCI |
| 22:15.24 | Noshei | Express x16 add-in graphics card" |
| 22:15.33 | seebs | Yes. |
| 22:15.39 | Noshei | http://downloadmirror.intel.com/20955/eng/dz77bh-55k_TechProdSpec04.pdf top of page 18 |
| 22:15.50 | Noshei | notice it says or |
| 22:16.08 | seebs | Yes. It also has an explicit option for whether to disable the onboard video when using an add-in card. |
| 22:16.37 | Noshei | yes and an add-in card can be anything |
| 22:16.41 | seebs | I can't immediately see why they would go to the trouble of implementing all the options like "which video should be considered the primary when both are in use" if it doesn't work... |
| 22:16.55 | seebs | Admittedly, "can't see why" and "they didn't" are not the same thing. :P |
| 22:19.46 | Noshei | you can always give it a try and see what happend |
| 22:20.15 | Noshei | it may work, it may not. |
| 22:21.17 | seebs | Well, I installed the Intel video driver, and now I have two displays lit up. |
| 23:49.08 | seebs | BIOS updates: Machine now runs fans at 100% all the time, and I have a fancy new BIOS with temperature monitors and mouse interaction. Rumor has it going into the old mode BIOS and resetting to defaults will fix the fans. |
