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| 18:38.09 | seebs | Do we have 1.10 addon changelog yet? |
| 18:57.44 | Noshei | where is the current LibUnit Change posted at? I dont see it on the FTP |
| 19:12.47 | Baanano | hi |
| 19:16.50 | seebs | yo |
| 19:17.10 | seebs | Silly Rift, adding massive new features I want when I'm all enthused about a lowbie over in DDO. |
| 19:17.29 | seebs | I have been looking at my time budget, and I have concluded that the day job needs to go, it's taking up too much time. |
| 19:23.05 | Baanano | wish it was that easy :P |
| 20:20.29 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, whoops, totally forgot to post it. I'll get it up tomorrow. It'll be basically identical to the last PTS changelist. |
| 20:20.38 | seebs | thx |
| 20:20.56 | seebs | So Rift and DDO updated today, TSW was gonna but a last-minute fix moved it to tomorrow. Yeesh. |
| 20:21.15 | seebs | Also I had to send email to community@ because even my massively-extended edit timer doesn't let me fix the Welcome Back thread now. |
| 20:23.58 | ZorbaTHut | that thread's gonna get kind of hilarious when Storm Legion is released |
| 20:34.23 | Wykkyd | How long does it usually take CurseForge to add new Rift versions to their file upload page? A day? Two? |
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| 20:45.11 | Cairenn | a lot longer than RiftUI ;) |
| 20:51.22 | seebs | Oh, geeeze. |
| 20:51.32 | seebs | Yeah, SL is gonna break my poor little hands with the writing. |
| 20:59.44 | Baanano | hm i'm getting an error in the daily report i'm unable to reproduce and can't figure out the cause :S |
| 21:01.40 | Baanano | will post it here and see if somebody can help :P |
| 21:01.42 | Imhothar | no, really? |
| 21:01.58 | Imhothar | that never happened to me before! |
| 21:02.18 | ZorbaTHut | I've been working on one of those for the last three days :( |
| 21:02.29 | ZorbaTHut | I think I've managed to prove the bug doesn't exist. |
| 21:02.32 | Imhothar | hey the boss is back |
| 21:02.35 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately the bug doesn't agree |
| 21:02.48 | Imhothar | how was pax? |
| 21:02.54 | ZorbaTHut | insanely busy :V but good |
| 21:02.58 | ZorbaTHut | someday I need a real vacation |
| 21:03.22 | Imhothar | we got oktoberfest in 2 weeks ;) |
| 21:03.32 | Imhothar | too bad you got other plans |
| 21:04.07 | ZorbaTHut | I think I'm being dragged off to a renfest this weekend, I'll have a beer in honor of almostoktoberfest :) |
| 21:04.42 | Imhothar | aha |
| 21:05.45 | Baanano | local Object = {} |
| 21:05.47 | Baanano | function Object:MethodOne() end |
| 21:05.49 | Baanano | function Object:MethodTwo() |
| 21:05.50 | Baanano | local function Callback() |
| 21:05.52 | Baanano | self:MethodOne() --> ERROR: attempt to call method ''MethodOne'' (a nil value) |
| 21:05.53 | Baanano | end |
| 21:05.55 | Baanano | DoAsyncStuffAndWhenYouEndCallbackThis(Callback) |
| 21:05.56 | Baanano | end |
| 21:06.13 | seebs | I think between me and a couple of other people, we put over five days of effort into a bug. |
| 21:06.20 | seebs | It turned out to be an insanely bad test case. |
| 21:06.30 | ZorbaTHut | baanano, there's plenty of ways I could see that occuring - I mean, Object.MethodTwo({}) for example |
| 21:06.59 | Imhothar | I guess you're calling MethodTwo with a . instead of a : somewhere |
| 21:08.21 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, my worst bug ever took me two weeks to track down. Turned out that when you used a specific two libraries together in a slightly nonstandard but fully supported manner, it triggered a degenerate performance issue in the system memory allocator. |
| 21:08.40 | seebs | I once had a bug which applied only if: |
| 21:08.57 | seebs | 1. You had a prebuilt set of host tools (this is for a cross-dev system) dating before Date X. |
| 21:09.02 | seebs | 2. You did a build after Date X. |
| 21:09.06 | seebs | 3. You were on a 32-bit host. |
| 21:09.13 | seebs | 4. You used 'sed' in a particular environment. |
| 21:09.20 | seebs | ... I think there was one other trigger. |
| 21:09.33 | ZorbaTHut | *laugh* nice. some 32-bit overflow problem? |
| 21:09.42 | Imhothar | time_t overflow? |
| 21:10.17 | ZorbaTHut | when I worked on a PS2 game a while back, we had to use a non-deterministic optimizing assembler |
| 21:10.18 | seebs | Ahh, no. I'm confused. |
| 21:10.28 | ZorbaTHut | seriously who writes basic tools that are nondeterministic |
| 21:10.50 | Imhothar | non-deterministic can't be good |
| 21:11.10 | seebs | You needed the prebuilts from before Date X, you needed source newer than that, and you needed to run a binary with a name under 4 characters long which had been built before Date X and which used an RPATH (not RUNPATH) setting referring to $ORIGIN. |
| 21:11.13 | ZorbaTHut | it was the producer of quite a few bugs before we figured it out. took us a bit to figure out how to force it to be deterministic |
| 21:11.28 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, that's an amazingly specific set of conditions |
| 21:11.37 | seebs | The reason being, the binary would be symlinked to your prebuilt tree, so the $ORIGIN in RPATH would get used before LD_LIBRARY_PATH, so it would find the old version of the library from before the source changes. |
| 21:11.47 | seebs | And the changes changed the length of a message header. |
| 21:12.10 | seebs | And the code wrote header + binary name, so if you had the old version but your binary name was at least 4 characters, the server got a corrupted message header which it handled intellgiently. |
| 21:13.08 | seebs | If the utility you were running had been rebuilt, it wasn't a symlink. If it didn't use RPATH, you were fine because only RPATH trumps LD_LIBRARY_PATH. |
| 21:13.27 | ZorbaTHut | that definitely sounds like a fun one to track down :V |
| 21:13.39 | seebs | pseudo has been a really amazing piece of code to maintain. It's basically designed around seeking out edge cases. :P |
| 21:15.14 | seebs | I also have a really nice one where a small loop that iterates over an array setting values in it can, under VERY rare circumstances, end up writing over 32 bytes of stack space several calls up. |
| 21:15.20 | seebs | We have NO idea why but the compiler vendor fixed it. |
| 21:16.33 | Noshei | ZorbaTHut: so it seems that at the time a cast starts Inspect.Unit.Castbar().remaining always returns 0 |
| 21:17.17 | Noshei | would that be a bug? |
| 21:18.04 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, interesting. what do you mean by "the time a cast starts"? |
| 21:19.01 | Noshei | when the player hits the button and an event for the player casting is triggered |
| 21:19.32 | ZorbaTHut | is that the Event.Unit.Castbar event? because if so, I'd count that as a bug if you don't then get a second event shortly afterwards regarding to real time |
| 21:20.30 | Noshei | have to figure that out tbh, trying to fix an issue in nkThings, so still trying to understand exactly how naifu had all that setup |
| 21:20.48 | Noshei | I think he might have been using Event.System.Update |
| 21:21.30 | ZorbaTHut | there's a few cases where multiple things "should" sort of conceptually update at the same time, like an ability cooldown and a castbar and a buff being added and your target taking damage, where for implementation reasons they may not all trigger simultaneously. but the events should let you know when each segment is fully ready. |
| 21:43.12 | Wykkyd | I got a bunch of emails/pms of people asking me to take over more of the nk stuff after I did Outfitter. I'm glad I saw you'd picked them up, because I wasn't looking forward to it. ;) |
| 21:45.26 | Noshei | Wykkyd: your more than welcome to take it man |
| 21:45.41 | Wykkyd | Oh no no no. Noooo no no no. nono. |
| 21:46.56 | Wykkyd | I program for a day job. Outfitter, ID Helper, & my three little Spy addons to Gadgets are enough extra credit. My wife already gets fussy enough with the time I spend on those. |
| 21:47.57 | Wykkyd | Besides I didn't see a quick/easy way to scrape available mounts & companions, etc, so I wasn't looking forward to building out a new way to figure all of that out and enable/disable them, etc |
| 21:48.28 | Wykkyd | speaking of which, though, you're more than welcome to drop nkWardrobe and just send people to Gadgets: Outfitter. |
| 21:48.53 | Wykkyd | I'm working with Wild on a standalone, trimmed version of Gadgets that I can bundle in for a 2nd release of Outfitter that doesn't require Gadgets first. |
| 21:49.07 | Wykkyd | should give you less to work on |
| 22:03.26 | Baanano | can't find any line of code calling that func with . instead of :, i must be doing something sillier somewhere... anyway, thank you for your help ;) |
| 22:03.30 | Baanano | see you tomorrow |
| 22:28.48 | Noshei | Fox News new slogan: We're just going to Shut up and Watch |
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| 22:36.42 | Cairenn | sounds like a plan to me :p |
| 22:37.27 | Imhothar | Guess you have to be American to understand that? |
| 22:39.03 | Cairenn | <== isn't American :p |
| 22:39.41 | Imhothar | so I simply have no idea then... I can live with that |
| 22:39.48 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 22:39.58 | Cairenn | It's just a joke of a news network in the US |
| 22:40.18 | Cairenn | As in they are a joke, not that they are a spoof |
| 22:41.05 | Imhothar | well I knew Fox is a TV network, just haven't ever seen it. And according to your statements it's probably better that way |
| 22:41.15 | Cairenn | Indeed |
| 22:41.28 | Cairenn | I never watch it either, but like you I'm just as happy that way |
| 22:43.36 | Cairenn | Watching Fox's news is (apparently) the same as reading the tabloids |
| 22:45.04 | Imhothar | Never read any in my life, and never will, so I still have no idea |
| 22:45.07 | Imhothar | This isn't getting better |
| 22:47.38 | Cairenn | :) |
| 23:13.07 | Noshei | Imhothar: do you know what the onion network is? |
| 23:13.17 | Imhothar | the cnn parody? |
| 23:13.42 | Noshei | yes |
| 23:14.39 | Noshei | think of Fox News as the onion, but not as a parody and not funny, just stupid and useless |
| 23:15.07 | Imhothar | sounds more funny than it probably is |
| 23:16.12 | Imhothar | so why does it still exist? |
| 23:16.42 | Noshei | http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/fri-september-7-2012- |
| 23:17.04 | Noshei | watch that episode of the daily show and you will get an idea of how horrible foz news is |
| 23:17.26 | Noshei | jon stewart loves to make fun of fox news |
| 23:19.10 | Noshei | specifically at the 14 minute mark |
| 23:19.50 | Imhothar | how much do I need to know about the precidency candidacy blablacy in order to understand the show? |
| 23:20.39 | Noshei | none |
| 23:20.43 | Imhothar | good |
| 23:20.50 | Noshei | if you jump to the 14 min mark |
| 23:21.27 | Noshei | well other than when they talk about last week vs this week it is 1 party vs the other party |
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| 23:22.40 | Imhothar | oh, one party against the other one. that sounds like a change |
| 23:23.41 | Noshei | yeah, fox is just extremely one sided |
| 23:24.09 | Imhothar | it's always good for a news network to be biased |
| 23:24.21 | Imhothar | I don't see anything wrong in that |
| 23:24.28 | Noshei | to the point that they even contradict themselves a ton |
| 23:24.37 | Imhothar | I need a sarcasm button |
| 23:24.59 | Noshei | that would be a great addition ti IRC |
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