| 00:36.35 | Baanano | when you use past subjunctive mode for the singular third person in English, the correct word is "was" or "were" ? |
| 00:39.09 | Imhothar | were |
| 00:39.46 | Baanano | ok, thanks imhothar |
| 00:43.11 | Cairenn | Imhothar: your name keeps messing me up :p |
| 00:44.45 | Cairenn | I glance over at the channel and I think someone is saying 'blah blah yadda imho' and then realize that no, they're saying "blah blah yadda Imhothar' |
| 00:45.19 | Cairenn | but at first I see "imho" and the 'thar' stuck on the end confuses me |
| 00:51.59 | arton | lol |
| 01:28.32 | Imhothar | I like confusing people |
| 01:30.10 | Imhothar | but then Cairenn|afk everytime I see someone say imho or IMHO I have to doublecheck whether they are talking to me or just using the acronym |
| 02:20.12 | Baanano | see you tomorrow |
| 02:35.26 | Cairenn | Baanano|afk: night |
| 02:35.29 | Cairenn | Imhothar: hehehe |
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| 04:05.10 | Noshei | evening everyone |
| 04:05.18 | Noshei | anything interesting happen today? |
| 04:13.54 | Cairenn | The sun rose? |
| 04:16.04 | Cairenn | (Well, in all actuality, the earth rotated on its axis and continued on its trajectory around the sun, but yeah ... |
| 05:23.00 | ZorbaTHut | cairenn, pong |
| 05:23.23 | Cairenn | lol, I don't even remember what I was going to ask |
| 05:29.22 | Noshei | I'm sad I missed the live stream today, I wanted to demand we get our dev back!!! |
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| 06:23.03 | ZorbaTHut | oh hey, yeah, they announced the harbinger today, didn't they? |
| 06:25.25 | seebs | yup |
| 06:25.36 | seebs | Leading to the #1 question: Does this mean we'll finally get weapon wardrobe? :) |
| 06:26.20 | Noshei | quote "it's one of their top priorities" |
| 06:26.39 | seebs | heh |
| 06:26.52 | seebs | I still want to know what specifically is hard about it, and whether it might be possible to solve a Much Easier Problem. |
| 06:27.01 | Noshei | you see the new PTS functions seebs? |
| 06:27.10 | seebs | Like, if it's animations, what if we just had one wardrobe slot per weapon type the class can wield? |
| 06:27.41 | seebs | I saw there were some. I just remembered I was gonna start the patcher for that. |
| 06:28.02 | seebs | I wonder if /version still says 1.0.0. |
| 06:28.11 | Noshei | well what if your using a mace/shield and your wardrobe is a staff, now you look like a sompletely different spec |
| 06:28.17 | seebs | Well, that's my idea. |
| 06:28.19 | seebs | See. |
| 06:28.30 | seebs | You have a mace wardrobe slot, and a shield wardrobe slot, and a staff wardrobe slot. |
| 06:28.40 | seebs | So if you are using a staff, it shows whatever staff is in wardrobe. |
| 06:29.03 | seebs | Or possibly just 1H, shield, totem, 2H, wand, for a cleric. |
| 06:29.03 | Noshei | yeah that's probably the easiest way |
| 06:29.12 | seebs | And maybe I'm missing stuff, |
| 06:29.28 | seebs | cuz I can't see animations mostly. But so far as I know staff and hammer animate the same, for instance. |
| 06:30.08 | Noshei | ZorbaTHut: Take that to the item devs (assuming it's them that do wardrobe stuff). Best way ti implement imo |
| 06:30.22 | Noshei | stance is slightly different for each weapon |
| 06:30.31 | Noshei | as is swing |
| 06:30.44 | Noshei | but over all there isn't a huge difference |
| 06:31.11 | Noshei | anyone else play sniper elive v2? |
| 06:31.20 | seebs | Well, I'd be fine with "one for everything". Staff, 2H hammer, 2H mace, 1H hammer, 1H mace, shield, totem, etc. |
| 06:31.35 | seebs | I mean, sure, tons of slots, but it completely eradicates animation issues, so far as I can tell. |
| 06:32.37 | seebs | And no, never tried it. |
| 06:32.44 | seebs | My time sink of late is TSW, which I am really liking. |
| 06:32.50 | Noshei | I don't think animation issues would be a problem with 1H, shield, totem, 2H, ranged |
| 06:33.19 | Noshei | just use the animation for the wardrobe slot since it would be the same type of weapon |
| 06:34.10 | Noshei | difference in 2H weapon animation is very slight and mostly unnoticed by players |
| 06:34.52 | seebs | I am really curious about the rumors that 1.10 is reducing faction barriers in Rift. |
| 06:35.05 | seebs | Because TSW has convinced me that faction barriers are largely composed of Suck. |
| 06:40.35 | Cairenn | EQ should have told you that :p |
| 06:40.54 | Cairenn | lack of faction barrier is not a new concept :p |
| 06:40.59 | ZorbaTHut | noshei, one thing we've learned about the wardrobe system is that *any* limit is something that players will want removed. many people don't want their visual appearance permanently tied to their gameplay mechanics in any way |
| 06:41.45 | Noshei | yeah very true, but then that leads back to the pvp issue |
| 06:41.49 | ZorbaTHut | I think WoW has the most lore-ridiculous faction barriers at this point. oh, hoops they have to jump through to justify why the alliance and the horde are still at each other's throats |
| 06:42.21 | Cairenn | why is the middle east constantly at each others' throats? |
| 06:42.43 | Cairenn | or the African countries, or or or |
| 06:42.55 | ZorbaTHut | cairenn, it's worth pointing out that, unlike Azeroth, the Middle East is not under threat of complete annihilation via Deathwing. |
| 06:42.59 | Cairenn | is being contrary tonight ;) |
| 06:43.08 | Cairenn | this is true ;) |
| 06:43.19 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, I can totally see war if there wasn't this enormous outside threat, but, guys, *you have bigger things to worry about right now* :) |
| 06:43.43 | Cairenn | I know, see my comment above about feeling contrary ;) |
| 06:44.14 | Cairenn | aka shit disturber, devil's advocate, general pita |
| 06:44.38 | seebs | I just hated it from an RP perspective; I wanted to be able to *choose*. |
| 06:44.41 | ZorbaTHut | yup, no worries ^^ |
| 06:44.54 | Cairenn | smoogles ZorbaTHut |
| 06:44.55 | seebs | But yeah, not saying it's new to TSW, just that it's the first thing I played that tried it. |
| 06:45.11 | seebs | I never did EQ; didn't get into it early on, and now Sony's on my shit list so I probably won't. |
| 06:45.14 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, ever played Anarchy Online? I always sorta liked how they handled factions - there were two major factions, a "neutral" faction that they (unsuccessfully) tried to encourage people away from, but everyone could still group together |
| 06:53.36 | seebs | Never played that either. |
| 06:53.52 | seebs | My MMOs so far have been WoW, CoH, Rift, TSW, and arguably Island of Kesmai. :) |
| 06:54.43 | seebs | I mostly ignored the genre until it occurred to us that we could use it as a sort of substitute for D&D for cases where no one felt like running a game. |
| 06:55.09 | seebs | I once started trying to organize a D&D game inside an MMO just to see whether it could be done. |
| 07:01.53 | seebs | BTW, I come back to my belief that it would be really handy for the addon API to use separate SavedVariables dirs for PTS and Live. :) |
| 07:21.17 | Imhothar | it always surprised me why the WoW undead somehow mysteriously all forgot how to talk Human |
| 07:21.35 | seebs | They didn't very early on. |
| 07:21.41 | seebs | But people used it for griefing and harassment. |
| 07:21.56 | seebs | And Blizzard's thought was, "why should we ban 0.05% of our player base when we can make the entire RP community miserable?" |
| 07:22.25 | Imhothar | there's a RP community? |
| 07:22.52 | seebs | There was, anyway! |
| 07:23.00 | Imhothar | hold your horses, you can't claim something like that! |
| 07:23.32 | Imhothar | reminds me of how Trion was about to close all european RP servers until the forums were full of rage |
| 07:23.38 | Imhothar | in 3 different tongues! |
| 07:24.00 | seebs | RPers are a sort of weird community to try to maintain. |
| 07:24.38 | Imhothar | I don't really understand the european "restructuring" |
| 07:24.52 | seebs | I don't either. |
| 07:24.58 | Imhothar | "oh yeah our software is now capable of running muhc more players, so we are closing shards" |
| 07:25.00 | Imhothar | wtf? |
| 07:25.28 | Imhothar | "oh and now you'll have to deal with people not speaking your lanugage in pugs" |
| 07:25.37 | Imhothar | again: wtf? |
| 07:26.21 | Imhothar | and then Baanano gets along and sees Trion screw up his business |
| 07:26.36 | seebs | I missed that part. |
| 07:27.01 | Imhothar | thing is: if you search the auction on a french client you only get the auctions posted by french players |
| 07:27.15 | Imhothar | if however you're on the english locale you get them all |
| 07:27.17 | seebs | oh, annoying! |
| 07:27.35 | Imhothar | yeh |
| 07:28.42 | Imhothar | to me it looks like Trion had to shut down some hardware due to whatever reasons and that merge was the quickest (and dirtiest) solution |
| 07:29.28 | Imhothar | so add lanugage barriers to faction barriers and you got Rift |
| 07:29.32 | Imhothar | isn't it nice |
| 07:32.09 | seebs | It is sorta strange, because I can't imagine the marginal cost of having the machines is all THAT large. |
| 07:32.30 | Imhothar | agreed |
| 07:33.47 | Noshei | running and maintaining the server infracture for a single shard is a huge cost |
| 07:34.06 | Imhothar | compared to what |
| 07:34.20 | Imhothar | in a company this large |
| 07:34.40 | seebs | I don't really have a handle on how much is cost-per-shard, and how much is cost-per-N-players. |
| 07:35.09 | Noshei | cost is more shard based than player based |
| 07:35.28 | Noshei | the number of shards determines the number of servers needed |
| 07:35.34 | seebs | I guess the thing is. |
| 07:36.02 | seebs | Okay, hmm. Whatever it is, for some reason does not affect NA shards. That's... weird. |
| 07:36.02 | Imhothar | there's not necesserily a 1:1 mapping between shards and servers |
| 07:36.27 | seebs | And it seems like if you figured out a way to let you make a larger "shard", that would mean more hardware. So it might take 2x as many players, but use nearly 2x as much hardware. |
| 07:36.29 | Imhothar | usually way more complicated than that |
| 07:36.35 | Noshei | more shards = more servers, more server = more cost (from a ton of sources, not the least of witch is a AC and electrical) |
| 07:36.51 | seebs | Except that's not necessarily the case, if smaller shards use fewer servers. |
| 07:36.56 | Noshei | oh no it's not 1:1 its more like 10+ servers to a shard |
| 07:37.48 | Noshei | and thats not including storage, thats just for processing |
| 07:37.51 | Imhothar | depends on the definition of "server". and instances, raids, chatting etc may run on dedicated materiel |
| 07:37.58 | seebs | But replacing a two 10-server shards with one 20-server shard doesn't reduce the number of servers... |
| 07:38.37 | Noshei | Imhothar: when I say server, I'm talking about the physical box |
| 07:38.37 | Imhothar | well if it's true they had a major step in server software performance it might be the case |
| 07:39.17 | Imhothar | like one shard instance beinc capable to hold twice as many players on the same setup, but then wouldn't it be more logicall to increase advertising and get those boxes filled up? |
| 07:39.40 | Noshei | seebs: Server HW improves a massive amount in far shorter time than PC hardware does, you could easily go from 10 servers for a shard to 5 new servers for that |
| 07:39.41 | bctrainers | walks in |
| 07:40.06 | seebs | Hmm. I am not convinced of this massive disparity in performance increases. |
| 07:40.29 | Noshei | well it's relative |
| 07:40.36 | seebs | If that stayed true for very long, the gap between desktops and servers would be enormous by now. |
| 07:40.56 | Noshei | um it is |
| 07:41.09 | seebs | I mean, many many powers of 2. |
| 07:41.42 | seebs | And the thing is. Outside of supercomputers, high-end servers are just not all that different. |
| 07:42.08 | seebs | 24 cores vs. 4, comparable clock speeds, 96GB of memory instead of 8... This is not that much different from the gaps we used to have. |
| 07:42.12 | Noshei | I can get a 2U server that would consume less power, generate less heat, and porcess more data then a PC of the equivaliant side |
| 07:42.25 | seebs | Maybe there is a terminology gap here. |
| 07:42.40 | Imhothar | The SuperMUC supercomputer at my university is rankes #4 worldwide and costs 83M EUR per year of maintenance, including power. I doubt MMO servers (maybe except EVE) come anywhere close |
| 07:42.45 | seebs | So far as I know, a whole lot of "servers" are in fact PCs. |
| 07:42.55 | seebs | I mean, specialized ones with fancy hardware, but. |
| 07:43.05 | seebs | I have built machines with "server" chips and played games on 'em. :) |
| 07:43.19 | Noshei | you ever heard of the SR-2 motherboard? |
| 07:43.35 | Imhothar | seebs, if you got vector processors you're in a totally different world |
| 07:43.40 | Noshei | it's a dual processor motherboard |
| 07:43.55 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 07:44.04 | seebs | I used to build moderately high-end machines. |
| 07:44.13 | seebs | I did one of the first machines that the Internet2 folks used for long-range gigabit. |
| 07:44.31 | seebs | The proportional gap between desktop and high-end doesn't seem noticably different to me now than it was then. |
| 07:44.33 | Noshei | fairly mid range servers come with 4-6 physical processors now |
| 07:44.53 | Imhothar | allthough vector processors are slowly declining |
| 07:44.57 | seebs | Yeah, and cell phones come with quad-cores. :) |
| 07:45.28 | Noshei | think hexa-core x 6 CPU's in a single machine |
| 07:45.50 | Noshei | with 128GB+ Memory |
| 07:45.54 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 07:46.03 | Imhothar | plus, they are mostly RISC, which (if programmed correctly) are way superior to CISC |
| 07:46.04 | seebs | Like I said, proportional difference doesn't seem all that big. |
| 07:46.18 | seebs | RISC and CISC haven't been meaningful in *years*. |
| 07:46.39 | Imhothar | they still make a difference in supercomputers |
| 07:46.43 | seebs | I don't think Intel's shipped a processor that actually *executed* x86 code since before the 686. |
| 07:46.56 | seebs | They don't, because there is no such distinction. |
| 07:47.05 | seebs | It was a marketing gimmick. |
| 07:47.10 | Noshei | the huge difference you will see in servers is that they are specially designed for their job |
| 07:47.17 | seebs | Modern x86 are all weird custom hardware running translators from x86 to their internals. |
| 07:47.41 | Imhothar | exactly, and taht is called CISC |
| 07:47.54 | Imhothar | dedicated supercomputer RISC processors don't have µops |
| 07:47.58 | seebs | ... |
| 07:47.58 | Imhothar | or only very few |
| 07:47.59 | seebs | No, really. |
| 07:48.05 | seebs | That is not what the terms mean. |
| 07:48.15 | seebs | The idea of RISC was that you'd have special small instruction sets that would be super fast. |
| 07:48.35 | seebs | The parts that worked are now standard in everything. The parts that didn't got replaced by CISC design philosphy. |
| 07:48.46 | seebs | There is no meaningful distinction between the categories. |
| 07:50.19 | seebs | There's still vector stuff, but even then, most modern chips have vector bits. |
| 07:51.00 | seebs | Even excluding the GPU, there's probably more vector hardware in a modern desktop games machine than there was in some of the famous vector supercomputers. |
| 07:54.22 | Imhothar | GPUs are mainly scalar these days |
| 07:55.08 | seebs | I am not sure how to best count something with several hundred scalar processors. :) |
| 07:55.11 | Imhothar | but there are differences |
| 07:55.31 | seebs | I got to do some Cell stuff. They have little sub-CPUs that are vector-only. Crazy stuff. |
| 07:55.37 | Imhothar | just because it has a few hundred separate stream processors doesn't make it a vector processor |
| 07:55.55 | seebs | Beautiful example of a design that was brilliant for cases where your electricity bill is 10x your programming bill. |
| 07:56.00 | seebs | Crappy for video games. |
| 07:59.07 | Imhothar | it's fun to program on a supercomputer that costs more to run every day then one earns in a year |
| 07:59.54 | Imhothar | there are so many ways to screw up |
| 08:00.06 | seebs | Yeah. Not a line of work that appeals to me. |
| 08:00.23 | Imhothar | well we only use it when we need it for number crunching |
| 08:00.34 | Imhothar | GPUs can't beat that yet |
| 08:00.50 | seebs | I am not very good at getting things right the first time. I stay away from places where mistakes are expensive. |
| 08:01.09 | seebs | I am probably the most spectacularly error-prone programmer I have ever known who didn't actually *suck* at programming. |
| 08:03.00 | Imhothar | oh, another thing that just comes to mind is VLIW |
| 08:03.28 | Imhothar | that can speed things up alot |
| 08:10.04 | Imhothar | fun thing about the new supercomputer: they use the coolant to heat the building |
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| 08:20.42 | Imhothar | ZorbaTHut I get the impression from my error reports that Command.Item.Standard.Right can cause a performance kill. It's really weird |
| 08:22.58 | Thorarin | 0.o @ Supercomputer discussion |
| 08:23.16 | Thorarin | The most powerful supercomputers these days use PC chips tbh :P |
| 08:23.26 | Thorarin | Just a whole lot of them |
| 08:29.05 | Noshei | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Sequoia <current top supercomputer |
| 08:42.52 | Thorarin | Okay, I worded it wrong.. but amongst the most powerful supercomputers there are a lot that use normal server CPUs |
| 08:43.14 | Thorarin | Didn't know the K was no longer the fastest btw, missed that one :) |
| 08:47.00 | Baanano | hi |
| 08:48.07 | Thorarin | Morning |
| 08:49.20 | Cairenn|afk | hi Baanano |
| 08:49.21 | Cairenn|afk | night all |
| 08:49.25 | Baanano | hey thorarin, what happened with your textures search? did you find anything interesting? |
| 08:49.29 | Baanano | night cairenn |
| 08:50.05 | Thorarin | Found some interesting stuff yes, but somewhat hesitant to post :S |
| 08:50.26 | Thorarin | Also had problems filtering out the ability and item textures automatically |
| 08:51.36 | Baanano | did you find the map textures? |
| 08:52.05 | Thorarin | I don't quite understand the way Rift looks up the textures yet... it seems to do a partial match |
| 08:52.25 | Thorarin | Zone maps? Don't think so, at least I haven't actually seen one yet |
| 08:52.40 | Thorarin | The images for the points of interests on the maps I have |
| 08:53.31 | Baanano | and the npc minimap icons? |
| 08:53.45 | Thorarin | Yeah, a lot of them at least |
| 08:54.19 | Thorarin | Most of them start with indicator_ |
| 08:54.40 | Baanano | and continue with? XD |
| 08:55.54 | Thorarin | Pfft, I have exactly 100 of them :P |
| 08:56.28 | Thorarin | "indicator_auctioneer.png.dds" :P |
| 08:56.47 | Baanano | oh, they're named |
| 08:56.58 | Thorarin | Some more descriptive than others |
| 08:57.09 | Baanano | i expected them to have a id |
| 08:57.37 | Thorarin | Some do as well |
| 08:58.14 | Thorarin | Those mostly are in the form MiniMap_someid.dds |
| 09:01.01 | ZorbaTHut | imhothar, I looked into it a bit but couldn't figure out what was going on. If you can come up with repro steps, even if it's "people keep reporting it happens when ____", that'd be appreciated |
| 09:01.32 | ZorbaTHut | I think there may just be some crazy bug in the right-click code that is locking up the CPU for long periods of time (which ends up credited to your addon because you're the one calling the function) |
| 09:02.46 | Thorarin | Zorba, do you think people would be pissed off if I posted a list of Rift internal textures that might be handy for addon developers? :P |
| 09:04.50 | ZorbaTHut | thorarin, send me the list first, okay? it should be fine :) also I'm *really* curious where those are coming from because I've looked for them myself in the running game and been unable to find them |
| 09:04.53 | Thorarin | There is of course the technical issue that theoretically one could go and change the texture names... but other than that, I don't know what's worse.. redistributing graphics like they are doing now, or reusing |
| 09:05.59 | Thorarin | Do you have an email address or smt? Or is forum PM okay? |
| 09:06.44 | ZorbaTHut | forum pm's fine, there's also addons@riftgame.com or bwilhelm@trionworlds.com |
| 09:07.31 | arton | spams ZorbaTHut. |
| 09:08.05 | Thorarin | In any case, I doubt I'll actually publish something until next week.. I wanted to do some data cleanup first |
| 09:08.07 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually been quite surprised that nobody's spammed me, all those emails have been available since day one :V |
| 09:08.15 | arton | :) |
| 09:08.33 | Thorarin | Right now I should be writing epics, user stories and acceptance criteria, yay |
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| 11:11.59 | bctrainers | signs Zorba up for some porn |
| 11:13.05 | bctrainers | but yeah, i've known about the addons email, but not your personal work email :x |
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| 12:44.24 | Noshei | Really wish they would make an FPS that is about 10x longer than most are today |
| 12:45.11 | Noshei | nice, I just realised I didn't get an error report today |
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| 13:05.45 | Noshei | lol Thorarin, isp problems again? |
| 13:06.38 | Thorarin | Nope... what do you mean again? :P |
| 13:06.51 | Thorarin | Haven't had problems in a long time, luckily |
| 13:07.25 | Noshei | oh maybe it was someone else that had an issue and kept dropping irc for like 5 seconds |
| 13:08.00 | Thorarin | I'm rebooting my linux router every now and then, it's having some non-internet related problem |
| 13:08.08 | Noshei | ah |
| 13:08.21 | Thorarin | I cba to reconfigure to go around it atm :) |
| 13:09.30 | Thorarin | For some reason, an upgrade to latest packages went bad and VirtualBox doesn't run properly.. what's worse is it damn near takes the system down with it |
| 13:10.10 | Thorarin | The reboots are because I end up with a zombie process and a kernel module that won't unload |
| 13:10.36 | Noshei | sounds like fun |
| 13:10.42 | Thorarin | Not really :S |
| 13:28.24 | Thorarin | bbl when I'm done with this rebooting stuff :P |
| 14:19.37 | bctrainers | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.50 | bctrainers | Looks like ziggo had a few routing hiccups |
| 14:20.02 | bctrainers | then again, last i heard, ziggo was the cheapest ISP in the NL? :P |
| 14:55.37 | Noshei | I think I've been awake for 26 hours |
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| 16:14.25 | Baanano | "Microsoft has also been busy with the upcoming Windows 8. Games released through this platform will carry a new Xbox Windows branding. Even old classics, such as Minesweeper, will give achievements [...]" <- finally minesweeper achievements! hope freecell gets achievements too :P |
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| 18:52.21 | bctrainers | to hell with that Baanano, i want my super cadet 3d pinball achievements! |
| 18:52.21 | bctrainers | :P |
| 18:52.41 | bctrainers | surely you know of that? :P |
| 18:52.44 | Baanano | they're adding achievements to the pinball too |
| 18:52.50 | bctrainers | !!! |
| 18:52.59 | Baanano | that was the part in [...] |
| 18:53.01 | bctrainers | I might just buy Win8 just because of that now |
| 18:53.40 | Baanano | "Even old classics, such as Minesweeper, will give achievements, as well as upcoming titles like Pinball FX 2." |
| 18:55.12 | bctrainers | Pinball FX 2..? |
| 18:55.55 | Baanano | another remake, i guess |
| 18:56.25 | bctrainers | according to google, its an xbox arcade game series? |
| 18:57.23 | Baanano | some xbox arcade games can be played in wphone, probably they're bringing them to pc too |
| 18:57.48 | bctrainers | hm interesting |
| 19:14.29 | Imhothar | how comes disaster movies are usually a disaster themselves... |
| 19:18.33 | Baanano | so you don't believe they may happen? |
| 19:18.49 | Imhothar | the movies are just terrible |
| 19:19.44 | Baanano | which one have you seen today? |
| 19:20.10 | Imhothar | scientist predicts a disaster - politicians ignore his warnings - disaster happens - politicians ask scientist for help - scientist saves the day |
| 19:20.39 | Imhothar | asteroids fall down on a little town in america and no one saw it coming - yeah right |
| 19:21.45 | Imhothar | and in about 50% of movies the scientist is blamed for not warning anyone... yeah right |
| 19:21.49 | Imhothar | why do they kep making these |
| 19:21.52 | Baanano | at least it has a happy ending |
| 19:22.44 | Imhothar | who cares about a happy ending, it's a fricking diaster movie with fricking disasters killing frickin unbelievably acting people |
| 19:23.57 | Imhothar | at least make it believable |
| 19:25.07 | Imhothar | the ones which try to be scientifically correct are usually the ones which screw up totally. especially those involving asteroids and other stuff from space |
| 19:25.39 | Baanano | would it have been better if the ending was another wave of asteroids destroying civilization worldwide? |
| 19:25.59 | Imhothar | as I said, I don't care about the ending, I just want them to make it believable |
| 19:27.47 | Imhothar | for once I want to watch a disaster movie and afterswards think "yeah, that's how it could happen". including the scientific stuff, how the people act, everything |
| 19:30.07 | Imhothar | prime example: Jaws: "Hey we have a really hungry man-eating shark in the bay" - "I don't care we have holiday season". Now replace shark with either tornado, tsunami, asteroid, volcano, earthquake, whatever and you got the story of about 80% of all the disaster movies |
| 19:30.24 | Imhothar | if not more |
| 19:31.03 | Imhothar | oh well it doesn't really matter, does it |
| 19:32.13 | Baanano | it's better to make a bad one with a happy ending, to teach people it won't happen, and if it happens, somebody will save the day |
| 19:33.39 | Imhothar | and to teach people majors don't care about their peoples' lives? |
| 19:33.49 | Imhothar | mayors even |
| 19:33.50 | Baanano | look at classics, the war of the worlds for example |
| 19:34.30 | Imhothar | well that's not a disaster movie in my definiton |
| 19:34.46 | Baanano | isn't it a disaster novel? |
| 19:35.22 | Baanano | martians come, kill a lot of people, then bacterias save the day |
| 19:35.57 | Imhothar | well no, it's not a natural disaster occurring, it's sentient beings attacking us. That's a difference |
| 19:36.14 | Imhothar | that's sci-fi |
| 19:36.25 | Imhothar | I'm talking about natural disaster movies |
| 19:37.15 | Baanano | ok, but i think the premise is the same |
| 19:38.24 | Baanano | an alien invasion is as unpredictable and unstoppable as a natural disaster |
| 19:38.51 | Imhothar | It's not the premise or the morale of the story or whatever that upsets me, it's the quality of the story book, the acting, the dialogs, all of that which is usually as terrible as it can be |
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| 19:45.04 | Baanano | hi wildtide |
| 19:47.23 | Wildtide | ello Baanano |
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| 20:42.35 | Thorarin | Oops, forgot to reconnect :) |
| 20:42.40 | Baanano | damn, it seems the key events on textfield don't count as hardware events, I can't initiate an auction scan when the user press enter :( |
| 20:42.56 | Thorarin | Hmm, lame |
| 20:57.05 | seebs | Baanano: There is some deep madness to the key events in textfields. |
| 20:57.23 | seebs | I am suspecting, though uncertain, that you may get more than one event on a paste, which might be why. |
| 20:58.41 | Baanano | yeah, that makes sense |
| 21:00.22 | seebs | There are serious problems with them. You can't intercept them, for one thing -- you can't say "yes, thanks for that keystroke, I'ma take that, please don't process it anymore". And you can't identify arrow key usage AT ALL, because the only way to see what key was hit is to look at the text string showing what was typed. |
| 21:00.46 | Baanano | i have an idea on how to capture arrow keys |
| 21:03.21 | Baanano | set text to "__\n__\n__", and set cursor to position 4 (the middle), then after a keyup, check cursor position: position 3 = left arrow, position 1 = up arrow... then reset the text and move back the cursor position to 4 |
| 21:37.55 | seebs | That's sort of brilliant. Of course, it may not work for some OTHER inputs. But yeah. If the text is unchanged, you know where you are. |
| 21:38.16 | seebs | I think that qualifies as evidence that this chunk of code needs improvement. :P |
| 21:39.52 | Baanano | yeah, it wouldn't be useful if you need to enter real input, but if you just want to capture arrows for something else, it could help |
| 21:40.31 | Baanano | and yes, it needs an improvement, that shouldn't be the way to go |
| 22:08.24 | Wildtide | <-- just started watching the mage soul reveal. a melee DPS mage?! should be interesting... |
| 22:08.42 | Imhothar | finally, Battlemages! |
| 22:12.23 | Wildtide | a reaper scythe! oh man, i need one |
| 22:15.31 | Wildtide | ZorbaTHut: is the new cleric soul as cool as the mage one? go on, you can tell us ;) |
| 22:34.00 | Thorarin | :) |
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| 23:49.49 | Baanano | see you tomorrow |
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