| 00:00.13 | Noshei | just made 195 plat in 1 day just from artifacts |
| 00:02.52 | Baanano | could you try http://www.curseforge.com/media/files/604/649/APGadget-r6.zip ? that one should solve the bug |
| 00:04.38 | Noshei | looks good |
| 00:05.35 | Noshei | ah there is no way to close the post auction window if you open it and aren't at the AH |
| 00:05.55 | Baanano | click again in the coins icon |
| 00:06.04 | Noshei | ah |
| 00:14.22 | Baanano | Noshei, please let me know if you find something else |
| 00:14.29 | Noshei | will do |
| 00:14.32 | Baanano | see you tomorrow |
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| 05:30.12 | Thorarin | *yawn* |
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| 07:51.58 | Thorarin | Forgot about the Curse translation feature... unfortunately I cannot use it with my current format localization files :/ |
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| 08:58.53 | Wild|work | morning all |
| 08:59.06 | Thorarin | morning |
| 08:59.37 | Wild|work | is knackered today... was up far too late reading |
| 08:59.50 | Thorarin | Same here, if you mean raiding :) |
| 09:00.03 | Wild|work | lol, nope, I really did mean reading ;) |
| 09:00.04 | Thorarin | Reading, whatsat? :> |
| 09:00.23 | Thorarin | I like reading, problem is I fall asleep after 3 pages :( |
| 09:00.35 | Thorarin | Then forget 2 pages because I was too sleepy |
| 09:00.42 | Wild|work | hehe, that must limit your options |
| 09:01.15 | Thorarin | Especially when you're trying to finish a 500 page book |
| 09:01.21 | Thorarin | 700 actually :) |
| 09:01.47 | Wild|work | what's that then? |
| 09:01.51 | Thorarin | It only really works for me on holiday :) |
| 09:02.19 | Thorarin | That particular one was A Feast for Crows |
| 09:02.29 | Thorarin | (Song of Ice and Fire series) |
| 09:02.44 | Wild|work | hehe, same books i'm reading |
| 09:02.58 | Thorarin | I haven't read them in a few years :< |
| 09:03.05 | Wild|work | except i'm on book 3, and got to the red wedding last night... hence not being able to stop reading |
| 09:03.11 | Thorarin | I started on another few books halfway :) |
| 09:03.16 | Wild|work | lol |
| 09:03.18 | Thorarin | Ah :) |
| 09:03.47 | Wild|work | don't often get totall unexpected WTF!? moments in books, but that was one |
| 09:03.59 | Thorarin | I got recommended the series by the GM of the Dark Age of Camelot server I played on |
| 09:04.05 | Thorarin | So I started quite long ago |
| 09:04.32 | Wild|work | i only started when our book shop went mad promoting them, obviously as a side effect of the TV series i guess |
| 09:04.41 | Thorarin | mmm hmm |
| 09:05.03 | Thorarin | Still haven't watched season 2, apparently they take far more liberties with the story than season 1 |
| 09:05.24 | Thorarin | Although I probably wouldn't notice at this point, it's a bit foggy |
| 09:05.27 | Wild|work | i haven't either. season 1 was fantastic, apparently S2 is a bit slower |
| 09:05.35 | Thorarin | I'd probably need to start rereading from book 1 ;) |
| 09:06.00 | Thorarin | They're in my other appartment tho |
| 09:06.24 | Wild|work | i was reading Wheel of Time, got to book 7, then had to start again... now i'm on book 11 and have been waiting so long for it to be finished, i can see me having to start that again |
| 09:06.44 | Wild|work | can't really blame the author ofc, dying has to slow you down a little |
| 09:07.06 | Thorarin | A friend of mine used to read those, but warned everyone to stay away from them :) |
| 09:07.19 | Wild|work | they are a bit of a mammoth task :) |
| 09:07.33 | Thorarin | "Robert Jordan's Waste of Time" he called them :) |
| 09:07.37 | Wild|work | rofl |
| 09:07.49 | Thorarin | Although he did like them, so it was odd |
| 09:08.02 | Wild|work | i can definitely recommend the Mistborn books by the guy who's finishing the series off |
| 09:08.25 | Thorarin | I think it was book 7 or 8 that apparently starts with someone walking in the desert... at the end of the 800 pages he's... walking in the desert |
| 09:08.40 | Thorarin | Or something :) |
| 09:09.03 | Wild|work | no, i'm the same. i like them, but they don't really warrant the size of the series, so it is odd |
| 09:09.32 | Thorarin | How is he managing, finishing the series I mean? |
| 09:09.43 | Thorarin | Does it feel like a whole? :P |
| 09:10.01 | Wild|work | i think he's doing a good job by all accounts, but i haven't read any of the ones by him yet |
| 09:10.10 | Wild|work | which might mean i'm on book 10, can't remember :) |
| 09:22.36 | Thorarin | Hmmm, still no 1.28 or 1.29 error reports :S |
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| 09:36.55 | Snarty | any admin on from RiftUI? |
| 09:39.24 | Snarty | Jeeze |
| 09:39.42 | Snarty | Can you pull KBM from RiftUI please when you finally read this |
| 09:40.03 | Snarty | the inconsistency with the downloads is getting annoying |
| 09:41.14 | Wild|work | ello Snarty |
| 09:41.20 | Snarty | sup :) |
| 09:41.32 | Wild|work | Cairenn and dolby are the RiftUI admins |
| 09:42.11 | Cairenn | Snarty: what sort of inconsistencies? |
| 09:42.32 | Snarty | The only corrupt installs I get is from RiftUI downloads |
| 09:42.59 | Snarty | with the Watchdog, and then chasing my tail with corrupt downloads from RIftUI it's a bit much |
| 09:43.25 | Cairenn | What do you mean by corrupt installs? |
| 09:43.47 | Snarty | erm, by the fact the .lua files are missing chars |
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| 09:44.04 | Snarty | it's random, and usually close to an update |
| 09:44.43 | Wild|work | are you uploading a ZIP to RiftUI, or using a repo there to generate it? |
| 09:44.56 | Snarty | repo |
| 09:45.18 | Cairenn | You are pushing from our repo to our site? |
| 09:45.26 | Snarty | yup |
| 09:46.22 | Cairenn | Can you give me a link to it, please? I'll ask dolby to look at it tomorrow to see if he can see any problems with it. This is the first I've heard of any errors like this, but he may have had others. |
| 09:46.53 | Cairenn | It should push fine, no idea why it'd be acting up, it works fine on the rest of our sites. |
| 09:46.56 | Snarty | it's fine now, it happens around the few hours I update |
| 09:47.06 | Snarty | it's been like it for months |
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| 09:47.22 | Cairenn | Do you get error messages or anything? |
| 09:47.38 | Snarty | on the repo push? |
| 09:47.42 | Cairenn | Yeah |
| 09:47.44 | Snarty | nope |
| 09:47.52 | Cairenn | hmmmm |
| 09:48.25 | Snarty | I just get people reporting bugs that the latest on RiftUI has X error, they paste it, and the line numbers rarely match. |
| 09:48.43 | Cairenn | If it's been going on for months, why haven't you said something before this? We can't try to fix something if we don't know that there's a problem. ;) |
| 09:48.46 | Snarty | not even the same people |
| 09:49.38 | Snarty | because, between the absolute fuck up Zorba is making of the API and random injected dropped chars, I don't know what's going on myself half the time |
| 09:50.56 | Cairenn | Next time it happens, can you try to get some info for us, please? Copy the report you get from the user, etc? |
| 09:50.57 | Snarty | here's how I see it: It leaves my comp working fine and can then error without reason any point after that. Be the API or a corrupt download, it's basically taken me this long to track down errors I'm not responisble for |
| 09:51.41 | Cairenn | okay, wait, what do you mean it leaves your comp? |
| 09:51.53 | Snarty | You see this is the problem and the main reason I'm pissed at Zorba |
| 09:52.25 | Snarty | The first port of call for any erros, isn't RiftUI and isn't Trion, it's me, all the time |
| 09:52.56 | Snarty | I mean, it goes through days and days of solid testing and the errors are not coding related. |
| 09:53.47 | Snarty | Don't get me wrong I aint perfect, real errors that pass through Alpha are fixed pretty quick. And tbh, I'm not 100% sure it's RiftUI to blame |
| 09:54.02 | Snarty | but all the injected errors are form RiftUI downloads |
| 09:54.23 | Snarty | it could quite easily be the Watchdog being a the special Ed thing it is |
| 09:55.17 | Cairenn | Okay, couple questions - you said 'it leaves my comp working fine', what do you mean by that? When it is [apparently?] throwing these errors, how does it get 'fixed'? |
| 09:55.48 | Snarty | I tell them to download KBM from Curse and it fixes their issue |
| 09:56.40 | Cairenn | and the first question? |
| 09:56.41 | Snarty | the errors reported are always non code related, and unexplainable |
| 09:57.21 | Thorarin | Snarty - I always download KBM from RiftUI, never had problems |
| 09:57.23 | Snarty | by the fact when it's pushed to both Curse and RiftUI it is impossible for that revision of code to produce the errors reported |
| 09:57.37 | Snarty | I'm not a dumb ass and I know when it's my code or a corrupt download |
| 09:57.52 | Snarty | I'm not some fly by night shitty script coder |
| 09:57.55 | Cairenn | I didn't say you were, I'm trying to help you, don't take my head off |
| 09:58.02 | Thorarin | I heard from some people that they had to remove the old KBM folder instead of copying the new one over it |
| 09:58.07 | Snarty | I actually know how to code beyond fucked up API's |
| 09:58.10 | Thorarin | Doing the latter broke KBM at the time |
| 09:58.25 | Thorarin | Not sure why tho, seemed odd to me |
| 09:58.27 | Cairenn | Snarty, stop taking my head off |
| 09:58.41 | Snarty | Cairenn, blame Zorba |
| 09:58.54 | Cairenn | I understand you are frustrated, but don't take it out on me, I'm not deserving of it. |
| 09:59.05 | Snarty | I don't like many people associated with who Addon scene right now, and especially this little club you have here |
| 09:59.11 | Snarty | whole* |
| 09:59.44 | Snarty | It's not only frustration, it's the fact Zorba can't see the Watchdog CAN NEVER WORK |
| 09:59.45 | Cairenn | I am trying to get information so I can help figure out what is going on? |
| 09:59.45 | Cairenn | "especially this little club" what the hell is that supposed to mean? |
| 10:00.19 | Snarty | The comments in my posts about "Well if you were in IRC you would know.." blah blah |
| 10:00.34 | Snarty | I should know regardless of being in here, it shouldn't be required |
| 10:01.05 | Cairenn | okay, and where are these posts, and who has made those statements? |
| 10:01.23 | Snarty | Noshei |
| 10:01.28 | Cairenn | and where? |
| 10:01.34 | Snarty | go research it |
| 10:02.09 | Snarty | I've done enough bending over backwards for this shitty API, so you can to |
| 10:02.48 | Cairenn | Okay, you know what? I'm tired, it's 6am here and I haven't slept yet, so I'm going to go do that now, give you time to calm down and be reasonable rather than taking out your anger on someone that doesn't deserve it. |
| 10:03.02 | Snarty | Thorarin, btw, what you mentioned would make no differnce, important files have not changed their names ever |
| 10:03.46 | Snarty | Well, maybe when Zorba gets on you can tell him to have the balls to talk this out and I wouldn't |
| 10:05.31 | Snarty | This isn't about personal WIN!, it's about the fact that Zorba and his crew have taken it upon themselves to FORCE players to reject addons (without SOLID EVIDENCE) through a fucked up Watchdog, rather than them make the choice if the "alledged" performance hits of a basic math Addon is worth it or not |
| 10:05.43 | Snarty | no, Zorba thinks that they know best |
| 10:06.27 | Snarty | when in actuality he's lost the fucking plot. Luckily it's the Steam summer sale, so he has some breathing space. But, I wouldn't have touched Addon coding until now |
| 10:06.39 | Thorarin | I'm not sure why code lines would not match up for RiftUI though, must be a problem between the chair and the monitor somewhere |
| 10:06.50 | Snarty | the only reason I did is because I loved Rift. Zorba single handed fucked that up with the Watchdog |
| 10:06.51 | Thorarin | Because RiftUI doesn't touch the ZIP at all |
| 10:07.28 | Snarty | I don't care really, all I know is the source works, and the main issue is this is on top of the Watchdog |
| 10:08.22 | Snarty | The reports I get from Trions daily addons errors |
| 10:08.31 | Snarty | NOT ONE REPORT INCLUDES CODE ERRORS |
| 10:08.37 | Snarty | it's all watchdog bollocks |
| 10:08.56 | Thorarin | Must be because there are no serious code errors ;) |
| 10:09.34 | Snarty | If I ever have errors in KBM it's typo's |
| 10:09.49 | Snarty | I'm dyslesix so it happens, even though I try to avoid it |
| 10:09.54 | Snarty | certainly makes coding fun |
| 10:10.23 | Thorarin | I can imagine... |
| 10:10.32 | Thorarin | Syntax highlighting helps I assume |
| 10:10.34 | Snarty | meh, 28years I deal with it |
| 10:11.04 | Snarty | strict normally does, I've only ever written in ASM, Machine Code and C up until now |
| 10:11.44 | Snarty | The only reason I wrote KBM was because I thought enough about Rift to care |
| 10:12.10 | Snarty | And decided to make up for the slack they left behind with regards to raiding UI |
| 10:13.44 | Snarty | All Zorba has done, is point the finger at addons when in actuality it's nothing to do with them (well KBM for sure) |
| 10:15.19 | Snarty | Did you read my new findings on Alt+Tab cause Watchdog errors blaming Addons? |
| 10:15.24 | Snarty | that's a doozy |
| 10:16.00 | Thorarin | I think that will be fixed with an upcoming change when it's no longer using wallclock time but thread execution time |
| 10:16.13 | Snarty | I think I'm more pissed at fellow devs willing to bend over and take it in the ass along with this |
| 10:17.03 | Snarty | oh because it was mentioned in the IRC channel, and devs that can't or don't want to sit in here 24/7 don't get to hear about it |
| 10:17.23 | Snarty | And you wonder why I'm getting more and more pissed with this little IRC club? |
| 10:17.53 | Snarty | And no, it won't work |
| 10:17.58 | Snarty | but thanks for the lols |
| 10:18.19 | Thorarin | For the specific alt-tab problem it should |
| 10:18.23 | Snarty | you won't see any change |
| 10:18.47 | Snarty | system resources being nailed, will still alert the watchdog to an Addon |
| 10:19.12 | Snarty | I've seen CPU kills on KBM |
| 10:19.24 | Thorarin | I'm not sure how it measures when IO is involved |
| 10:19.37 | Thorarin | That would still be problematic, probably |
| 10:19.50 | Snarty | on things that simple involve changing frame locations |
| 10:20.24 | Snarty | here, one of my CPU kill reports |
| 10:20.43 | Thorarin | The frame API is sometimes unpredictably slow, yes.. I like to blame Flash :) |
| 10:20.54 | Snarty | 14% of reported errors: |
| 10:20.54 | Snarty | Error: KingMolinator/KingMolinator.lua:6232: Too much CPU usage, killing addon execution In KingMolinator / System Update, event Event.System.Update.Begin stack traceback: KingMolinator/KingMolinator.lua:6342: in function 'Stop' KingMolinator/KingMolinator.lua:6232: in function 'Update' KingMolinator/KingMolinator.lua:6672: in function 'Timer' KingMolinator/KingMolinator.lua:8059: in function |
| 10:20.54 | Snarty | <KingMolinator/KingMolinator.lua:8059> |
| 10:21.15 | Snarty | that's stopping a timer and removing it from display |
| 10:21.45 | Snarty | the raretiy of that happening even more than twice in one call is... hmm, a billion to one? |
| 10:22.10 | Snarty | All Zorba is doing, is highlighting how shit the API optimization is |
| 10:22.12 | Snarty | nothing more |
| 10:22.17 | Thorarin | You would expect it to be filtered out as a one-time thing |
| 10:22.26 | Snarty | 14% |
| 10:22.51 | Thorarin | Yeah, but I can't explain why that specific line would cause that problem so often |
| 10:22.56 | Snarty | it's mathmatically impossible unless there's a flaw in the API itslef |
| 10:23.00 | Snarty | itself* |
| 10:23.02 | Thorarin | Out of 6k+ lines :) |
| 10:23.21 | Snarty | erm, I told you |
| 10:23.28 | Snarty | because the API is flawed |
| 10:23.48 | Thorarin | You would still expect similar errors in different locations then, no? |
| 10:24.20 | Snarty | I do, I get performance warnings there too |
| 10:24.31 | Snarty | but it's handled in System.Update.Begin |
| 10:24.39 | Snarty | and the removal is at the end |
| 10:24.59 | Snarty | get this one then |
| 10:25.08 | Snarty | 8% of reported errors: |
| 10:25.08 | Snarty | Error: Unknown: Too much CPU usage, killing addon execution In KingMolinator / KingMolinator.Drag Frame:MouseIn stack traceback: KingMolinator/KingMolinator.lua:1922: in function <KingMolinator/KingMolinator.lua:1920> |
| 10:25.21 | Snarty | mouse in |
| 10:25.24 | Snarty | really? |
| 10:25.52 | Snarty | my mouse in event, ready for it |
| 10:26.53 | Thorarin | it could actually be the Inspect call in the conditional that is somehow slow? |
| 10:27.07 | Snarty | inspect what? |
| 10:27.11 | Snarty | in mouse in? |
| 10:27.11 | Thorarin | The performance error would trigger after returning from that call, which is on the Stop line |
| 10:27.21 | Thorarin | if Inspect.Unit.Lookup(self.UnitID) then |
| 10:27.46 | Snarty | yes, which is API performance not ADDON AUTHOR SHITNESS |
| 10:27.47 | Thorarin | The statement before the stop, provided it's false |
| 10:28.12 | Snarty | I can't put a fucking <0.1 break before every line of code |
| 10:28.31 | Snarty | I've tried explaining this logic to numb nuts up there but he's too proud of his failed idea |
| 10:28.54 | Thorarin | I literally have checks every 3 lines sometimes :< |
| 10:29.07 | Snarty | I'll repeat for future quoting, WATCHDOGS CANNOT WORK UNDER AN API |
| 10:29.23 | Snarty | yes which is fail coding, you realize that right? |
| 10:29.56 | Snarty | you're adding CPU cycles, decreasing performance and efficiency every check you have to do for the Watchdog |
| 10:30.04 | Thorarin | It's getting a bit silly yes, hopefully will be able to take some of that shit out again later |
| 10:30.13 | Snarty | well, I hate to be rude |
| 10:30.33 | Snarty | but you dumb asses in here will realize it's not possibly eventually |
| 10:31.02 | Snarty | either that or no one will be left using addons that do nothing more than print "hello I can't code for shit" on an event call |
| 10:31.08 | Snarty | don't say I didn't warn you |
| 10:31.23 | Thorarin | It's possible.. not sure how realistic it is though |
| 10:31.29 | Snarty | it's not |
| 10:31.38 | Snarty | don't fall under the Zorba umbrella |
| 10:31.41 | Snarty | it really isn't |
| 10:31.56 | Thorarin | You don't have to tell me it's not when I know it is :P |
| 10:32.08 | Snarty | I have no personal gain here, I don't give a shit about working for Trion, I don't care about sucking Zorba's cock |
| 10:32.20 | Snarty | I'm telling you logically, it's not practical, or possible. |
| 10:32.35 | Thorarin | Like I said, I'm not sure how realistic it would be |
| 10:32.45 | Thorarin | realistic/practical |
| 10:33.15 | Snarty | it isn't, under and API you are reliant on the abilities of the coder of the API |
| 10:33.17 | Snarty | BUT |
| 10:33.33 | Snarty | the watchdog points at the addon before considering the API |
| 10:33.38 | Thorarin | Would probably slow down the API significantly to get it to measure correctly, unless LuaJIT has something fancy... |
| 10:33.50 | Thorarin | But I wouldn't know about that :> |
| 10:34.06 | Snarty | you'd have to remove API execution time from the addon |
| 10:34.11 | Thorarin | Yeah |
| 10:34.15 | Snarty | I'm not sure Zorba knows how to do that |
| 10:34.32 | Thorarin | At least account of unexpected slowness of a call, maybe adding a fixed cost for a specific call |
| 10:34.36 | Snarty | Quest helper was a memory leaking, unoptimized bag of shit |
| 10:35.09 | Snarty | you have to also account for user interference |
| 10:35.14 | Snarty | Alt+Tab |
| 10:35.18 | Snarty | Streaming |
| 10:35.25 | Thorarin | People learn :) If I look at some of the code I've written over the years.. |
| 10:35.26 | Snarty | infact, any multi-tasking |
| 10:35.38 | Thorarin | I still have code from 20 years back :S |
| 10:36.14 | Snarty | yes, but the thing I'm getting at is. If he can casually blame addon authors in Rift for perfomance after writting a renowned slug of an addon |
| 10:36.22 | Snarty | it just stinks of self gain to me |
| 10:36.38 | Thorarin | Zorba posted that he realized that a problem async implementation for textures is needed. That would take care of the streaming issue I think |
| 10:36.55 | Snarty | I wrote one |
| 10:36.58 | Snarty | it doesn't work |
| 10:37.13 | Thorarin | For me personally native async textures would be number 1 prio for the API |
| 10:37.19 | Snarty | KBM's new async will die on a single call to SetTexture.. just 1 |
| 10:37.19 | Thorarin | Or very close to number 1 at least |
| 10:37.29 | Thorarin | That's why it needs to be built in |
| 10:37.44 | Snarty | it doesn't matter currently if it's build it |
| 10:37.47 | Snarty | in( |
| 10:38.00 | Thorarin | I get performance warnings on silly ability icon texture loading too :P |
| 10:38.02 | Snarty | the API is still calculated |
| 10:38.21 | Thorarin | Not if it's an async call |
| 10:38.24 | Snarty | look, I'm not being funny, but the more we talk about this the more we're doing Zorba's job for him |
| 10:38.41 | Snarty | it's fucking obvious what needs to be done if you even have half an understanding of ASM |
| 10:39.18 | Thorarin | How did we get to ASM? Most games barely use actual ASM anymore |
| 10:39.25 | Thorarin | Compiler intrinsics maybe |
| 10:39.38 | Snarty | yes, but most coders don't know their ass form their elbow these days |
| 10:39.45 | Snarty | welcome to the world of copy and paste |
| 10:40.16 | Snarty | it's still logical and it's still where as a coder you should start |
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| 10:41.04 | Snarty | I |
| 10:41.12 | Snarty | was an Amiga demo coder |
| 10:41.29 | Thorarin | It helps to have at least an understanding of it, you don't have to be able to build software with it |
| 10:41.30 | Snarty | so I have no respect for PC coders pretty much from there on in :P |
| 10:41.45 | Thorarin | It's all layers of abstraction, unfortunately they are leaky abstractions :) |
| 10:42.25 | Snarty | yeah but when a glorified Addon dev impliments something so flawed as this |
| 10:42.34 | Snarty | that is STILL sitting their blaming my code |
| 10:42.36 | Snarty | it's personal |
| 10:42.52 | Snarty | KBM IS NOT to blame for Rift performance |
| 10:43.00 | Snarty | just like many other addons aren't |
| 10:43.01 | Snarty | yet |
| 10:43.04 | Snarty | Zorba |
| 10:43.05 | Snarty | and Trion |
| 10:43.29 | Snarty | in their infinate anal wisdom will cover their own shit code with that |
| 10:43.41 | Snarty | thats the bottom line |
| 10:43.48 | Snarty | and that's what's happening |
| 10:44.27 | Snarty | so fixes or not, Zorba and Trion get a free pass while the Watchdog is blaming ME |
| 10:44.41 | Thorarin | Personally I would like the warnings to be silent for now at least, and separate from actual errors thrown |
| 10:44.56 | Thorarin | So they don't flood the errors out of the error reports |
| 10:45.19 | Snarty | meh, he didn't listen at the start. Then only communicated in here |
| 10:45.50 | Snarty | If he thinks this is some win lose shit, he's wrong |
| 10:46.03 | Snarty | This is end-users being told false info |
| 10:46.15 | Snarty | and this is Trion losing 1 dev |
| 10:46.25 | Snarty | 28th Aug |
| 10:46.28 | Snarty | GW2 :) |
| 10:46.57 | Snarty | I've already quit Rift, I don't appreciate being called out on shit I didn't do |
| 10:47.09 | Snarty | if you ever raided with me in WoW or Rift you'd know this |
| 10:47.13 | Snarty | and this is no different |
| 10:47.26 | Snarty | don't ever BLAME me for anything I'm not responsible for |
| 10:48.33 | Snarty | And this is why I want KBM pulled from RiftUI |
| 10:48.48 | Snarty | I have no control over it's deletion, which is stupid |
| 10:49.31 | Snarty | I guess I can understand when RiftUI has bloated 66k downloads and Curse has accurate 180k downloads |
| 10:49.38 | Thorarin | I really disliked GW, doubt I will like GW2... but that's personal preference :) |
| 10:50.11 | Snarty | yeah, I was a big GW player in PvP, so I like what they've done with GW2 |
| 10:50.37 | Snarty | And I loved Rift up until the Watchdog |
| 10:50.41 | *** mode/#riftuidev [+m] by Cairenn|afk |
| 10:52.18 | Cairenn|afk | Okay Snarty, that's it. I'm done sitting here letting you be such a complete and utter ass to everyone in here. How about you take some of your own advice, hmmm? |
| 10:52.18 | Cairenn|afk | (6:47:20 AM) Snarty: don't ever BLAME me for anything I'm not responsible for |
| 10:52.18 | Cairenn|afk | So why are you blaming RiftUI for watchdog? We've got nothing to do with it. And how the hell is it that our numbers (lower than Curse's) are |
| 10:52.18 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.36 | Cairenn|afk | Also, if you bothered to look, you'd have seen that KBM was disabled on the site, per your request |
| 10:52.50 | Cairenn|afk | Now either start behaving like a reasonable adult, or leave. |
| 10:52.54 | *** mode/#riftuidev [-m] by Cairenn|afk |
| 10:52.55 | *** part/#riftuidev Snarty (~Kekoas@76-224-179-182.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:54.19 | Thorarin | Well... |
| 10:54.38 | Cairenn|afk | shrugs |
| 10:55.28 | Thorarin | Can't sleep? :P |
| 10:56.31 | Cairenn|afk | Haven't gone up yet. Got the garbage out for collection then checked here to see if he was still going off or not. He was, so rather than subject the entire channel to his drunken idiocy .... |
| 10:57.37 | Cairenn|afk | to -more- of his* |
| 10:58.09 | Cairenn|afk | I apologize for allowing it to continue for as long as I did. I expect people to behave better than that. |
| 10:59.36 | Cairenn|afk | I'm sure he's now busy composing a scathing post on the forums about how much of a bitch I am and that no one should use RiftUI, blah blah blah, but given that I don't seem to be able to log in to the rift forums these days, not much I can do about it. |
| 11:00.08 | Thorarin | Hopefully he just went to bed... but yeah :S |
| 11:01.51 | Cairenn|afk | I'm still trying to figure out why he's so pissed off at me/RiftUI. It's not like watchdog is our fault, nor is it our fault that an_addon_author_01 made a single comment on forums over which we have no control suggesting that he might want to be in the channel some. |
| 11:02.00 | Cairenn|afk | so again, |
| 11:02.03 | Cairenn|afk | shrugs |
| 11:03.08 | Thorarin | No idea... he's all about the blind rage thing... |
| 11:03.13 | Cairenn|afk | yup |
| 11:03.25 | Cairenn|afk | either he'll get over it, or he won't |
| 11:03.53 | Cairenn|afk | Not much any of us can do to change it one way or the other. |
| 11:03.56 | Thorarin | Not sure how old he is.. but given that he claims to have been in the business for 28 years, I doubt it |
| 11:04.07 | Cairenn|afk | Yeah |
| 11:04.55 | Thorarin | It's hard to change that about yourself... I can say some stupid things when I'm angry myself. |
| 11:05.06 | Cairenn|afk | As can we all |
| 11:05.06 | Thorarin | I just don't get really angry very quickly, luckily |
| 11:11.00 | Wild|work | well, that was all very entertaining... ;) |
| 11:11.25 | Cairenn|afk | Yeah, I'm sorry guys, I should have stopped him long before I did. |
| 11:11.25 | Wild|work | Cairenn|afk: not your job to police the channel 24 hours a day, we're all grown-ups here, we'll live :) |
| 11:11.44 | Cairenn|afk | I know, but I still try to keep things relatively civilized. |
| 11:11.47 | Cairenn|afk | :p |
| 11:13.13 | Cairenn|afk | (hell of a job, I tell ya ... you coders are such a 'meek' group ... with no strong opinions or anything) |
| 11:13.17 | Cairenn|afk | rolls her eyes |
| 11:13.28 | Wild|work | lol |
| 11:13.42 | Wild|work | can't beat a bit of nerd rage every now and then |
| 11:13.48 | Cairenn|afk | hehhehehe |
| 11:15.22 | Thorarin | :) |
| 11:36.55 | Thorarin | I wonder if I'll have less texture load issues if I convert from TGA to PNG |
| 11:37.11 | Thorarin | That way they could be compressed, would involve less disk I/O |
| 11:42.00 | Wild|work | i think DDS is the optimal format |
| 11:46.46 | Wild|work | one option if you can get away with it, might be to load all of the textures into hidden frames on startup. that way, they're loaded and cached before the 'dog wakes up |
| 11:56.26 | Thorarin | Seems like overkill for this case |
| 11:56.53 | Thorarin | Nobody will actually use all the images |
| 11:57.09 | Thorarin | So would have to load settings first |
| 11:58.25 | Wild|work | aye, that's what i meant by "if you can get away with it" |
| 11:59.00 | Wild|work | not always possible, and pretty much always a bad idea if it weren't for the need to "dodge the dog" :) |
| 12:00.02 | Thorarin | The Photoshop plugin for DDS is not available from nVidia atm, forums still down :S |
| 12:08.26 | Thorarin | Strangely enough Photoshop doesn't understand the TGA alpha channels very well |
| 12:08.44 | Thorarin | Have to run them through some recorded action to get them properly transparent |
| 12:12.04 | Wild|work | photoshop alpha confuses me no end, it's the same with pngs. if you use separate alpha channels rather than the built in layer transparency |
| 12:12.17 | Wild|work | <-- certainly not a PS expert |
| 12:13.27 | Thorarin | Yeah it shows up as an alpha channel |
| 12:13.56 | Thorarin | So have to load the channel as selection, then use it as a layer mask |
| 12:14.13 | Thorarin | I haven't used Photoshop in ages so even had to look that up :) |
| 12:15.08 | Thorarin | 2MB instead of 17MB now :p |
| 12:15.33 | Thorarin | Of course it won't affect the addon download size... well perhaps adversely |
| 12:17.28 | Thorarin | Hmm, it did actually get smaller, but only by 35k or so |
| 12:22.11 | Wild|work | it's less of a size thing, more of a speed of loading thing - it's a lot faster to load a DDS in theory |
| 12:22.39 | Wild|work | someone (i think it was Nosh) did some timings, and they were quite a bit faster |
| 12:27.59 | Thorarin | I'll probably try DDS later, but first I needed to get the files into a format that PS understands a bit better anyway |
| 12:30.11 | Thorarin | Can use the AMD tool I gues... |
| 12:32.49 | Thorarin | Not quite sure which settings to use for the DDS tho |
| 12:45.49 | Wild|work | DXT2..5 probably, not sure which one |
| 12:46.16 | Wild|work | try DXT3, see if that works |
| 12:49.48 | Thorarin | Wow, big difference |
| 12:50.09 | Thorarin | Loading all 75 textures in sequence, like 8 times faster |
| 12:50.44 | Wild|work | wow, that's quite impressive |
| 12:51.06 | Thorarin | 0.022 seconds vs 0.18 seconds |
| 12:51.19 | Thorarin | There will be a yield or two in there somewhere tho |
| 12:51.26 | Thorarin | Will do without :) |
| 12:52.17 | Wild|work | clearly gonna have to do the same with my stuff. i've known for ages that's what i should do, but never got round to it |
| 12:53.23 | Thorarin | Still 0.18 seconds when quieting the watchdog on the PNG versions |
| 12:53.42 | Thorarin | The DDS files I created are bigger though, which seems odd for lossy compression |
| 12:53.59 | Thorarin | I need a format with an alpha channel at least |
| 12:54.19 | Thorarin | Let's get the TGA files back out too :> |
| 12:55.36 | Thorarin | TGA seems reasonably efficient, 0.041 |
| 12:55.57 | Wild|work | as i understand it, DDS is understood natively by gfx cards, so it's not a complicated compression algorithm, it's built for speed |
| 12:56.00 | Thorarin | (running off a SSD) |
| 12:56.05 | Wild|work | nice |
| 12:56.34 | Thorarin | I figured uncompressing PNG would be pretty simple, but guess not |
| 13:04.43 | Thorarin | Weird... My test magically uses a texture from a different addon |
| 13:05.01 | Thorarin | While I refer to a file in my addon directory :S |
| 13:12.34 | Wild|work | ehh?? |
| 13:12.56 | Wild|work | same filename? |
| 13:13.28 | Wild|work | could be a 'feature' of the caching maybe if it is |
| 13:14.43 | Thorarin | I think it just didn't understand that particular file format |
| 13:15.02 | Thorarin | Which made it show a traffic sign thingy... or something |
| 13:15.12 | Thorarin | Which also happens to be an icon WarnMe uses |
| 13:16.40 | Wild|work | oh, strange. didn't know it did that |
| 13:18.11 | Thorarin | I was trying to use D3D10 BC3 format... |
| 13:18.26 | Thorarin | Figured it would work since Rift uses a recent Direct3D |
| 13:18.51 | Thorarin | DirextX DXT3 seems to work reasonably though |
| 13:19.02 | Baanano | hi |
| 13:19.08 | Thorarin | Similar size to the PNG, only 4 bit alpha, but loads fast |
| 13:19.20 | Thorarin | Heya |
| 13:19.42 | Wild|work | lo |
| 13:20.21 | Thorarin | Oh, some files are significantly larger... *shrug* |
| 13:20.45 | Wild|work | apparently you choose between DXT3 and DXT5 depending on the style of alpha you need. DXT3 is for sudden rapid changes of alpha, DXT5 for smoother alpha curves |
| 13:20.52 | Wild|work | or vice versa |
| 13:21.23 | Thorarin | Yeah DXT5 is interpolated |
| 13:22.27 | Wild|work | makes sense |
| 13:23.15 | Thorarin | "Because the alpha information is stored in 4 bit, the smallest step in the alpha value that can be stored is 16. This means that very smooth transitions in the alpha channel can not be stored in the DXT3 format. " |
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| 13:54.05 | Thorarin | Weird... some textures got clipped by the conversion process |
| 13:54.27 | Thorarin | Why do they always have to make it hard :P |
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| 14:11.20 | g0urra | I saw some addons broke with the patch |
| 14:11.30 | g0urra | especially the one that skips the intro cinematics |
| 14:14.58 | Frailaq | What does the _ mean when used in a for loop as the first piece of the ipair? |
| 14:15.34 | Frailaq | for _, name in ipairs(nameList) do.... |
| 14:18.59 | Baanano | _ it's used often as a dummy variable to dump values you don't care about |
| 14:20.14 | Frailaq | Cool |
| 14:21.22 | Frailaq | What about rIdx or pIdx? Are they specific to the soon I'm looking at out are they something special that has docs somewhere? |
| 14:22.32 | Frailaq | for rIdx, rValue in ipairs(raidMemberList) do.... |
| 14:23.09 | Baanano | in that case they're indices |
| 14:23.24 | Frailaq | Stupid phone autocorrect... *addon, not "soon" |
| 14:23.43 | Baanano | they're specific to your addon |
| 14:24.03 | Baanano | i usually name my indices index or just i, j and k |
| 14:24.13 | Frailaq | Ok, thx :) |
| 14:28.43 | Frailaq | Are blah:one() and blah:two() separate functions or are they somehow related because they're both blah....()? |
| 14:29.15 | Wild|work | they are separate functions, both contained within the table 'blah' |
| 14:30.48 | Frailaq | So if you create the empty table blah = {} and then have the two functions I mentioned that have different parameters |
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| 14:31.46 | Frailaq | will the table list all params for all rows but leave empty the columns that don't apply? |
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| 14:32.17 | Frailaq | Or is it like having two separate tables? |
| 14:32.57 | Wild|work | i think you're getting confused as to what a lua table is |
| 14:33.25 | Wild|work | it's not a table with rows and columns, it's an associative array |
| 14:35.32 | Frailaq | Heh, oh boy |
| 14:36.01 | Wild|work | :) |
| 14:36.20 | Frailaq | Can you tell I'm not a coder? :P |
| 14:37.08 | Frailaq | Hand me some pieces and tell me to build a pc from scratch any day XD |
| 14:38.06 | Wild|work | hehe |
| 14:38.14 | Frailaq | I guess that means I get to hit the books again... Do you have any good reference material for learning about associative arrays? |
| 14:38.22 | Wild|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associative_array |
| 14:38.34 | Frailaq | :facepalm: |
| 14:38.44 | Frailaq | Thx :P |
| 14:39.02 | Wild|work | it's really simple. it's just a list of values, each of which is identified by a key |
| 14:39.11 | Wild|work | to tbl[key] = value |
| 14:39.16 | Wild|work | s/to/so/ |
| 14:39.39 | Wild|work | and value = tbl[key] |
| 14:39.41 | Wild|work | to retrieve it again |
| 14:40.08 | Frailaq | Purl is an autocorrect bot for this channel? Sweet. |
| 14:41.23 | Frailaq | So, unlike a table, an array has an independent number of values for each key? |
| 14:43.10 | Wild|work | nope, in Lua, an array is just a table where the keys happen to be numbers from 1 upwards |
| 14:44.05 | Wild|work | ~whaleslap Frailaq |
| 14:44.05 | purl | ACTION beats Frailaq upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 14:44.40 | Frailaq | Lol |
| 14:44.40 | Wild|work | he does more than autocorrect ;) |
| 14:45.27 | Frailaq | What about when keys are strings instead of numbers? |
| 14:46.43 | Wild|work | it's no different really, they are all just keys for getting at a value in a table |
| 14:46.56 | Wild|work | people[1] = "Bob" |
| 14:47.04 | Wild|work | people["Jim"] = "James" |
| 14:47.25 | Frailaq | Can't keys contain more than one value? |
| 14:47.46 | Wild|work | a key? no... in the above, the keys are 1 and "Jim" |
| 14:48.01 | Wild|work | the table (people) contains more than one value |
| 14:48.48 | Frailaq | people[1]=("one","two") |
| 14:48.57 | Frailaq | ? |
| 14:49.16 | Wild|work | ah, ok. what you mean there is: people[1] = {"one","two"} |
| 14:49.37 | Wild|work | which sets the value of people[1] to another table, which contains the values "one" and "two" |
| 14:49.45 | Frailaq | Oh |
| 14:50.00 | Frailaq | Gotcha |
| 14:50.30 | Frailaq | Thanks for the help :) |
| 14:50.30 | Wild|work | this second table, because you didn't set any keys, will automatically use 1 and 2 as the keys for the values |
| 14:50.42 | Wild|work | which is how Lua pretends to handle normal arrays :) |
| 14:51.00 | Wild|work | no probs :) |
| 14:51.13 | Frailaq | So each table only has two "rows"... A key and a value and that's it. |
| 14:51.27 | Frailaq | But the value can be another table |
| 14:51.43 | Wild|work | no, a table can have lots of rows, each row has a key and a value |
| 14:51.55 | Frailaq | Err, column |
| 14:52.08 | Frailaq | I know w |
| 14:52.10 | Wild|work | yes, 2 columns effectively, though we never call them columns |
| 14:52.17 | Frailaq | hat I meant |
| 14:52.22 | Frailaq | Lol |
| 14:52.23 | Wild|work | hehe :) |
| 14:52.42 | Frailaq | I need a keyboard that will plug into this phone |
| 14:53.24 | Wild|work | http://www.lua.org/pil/1.html <-- PiL is great for learning Lua in painful detail |
| 14:55.33 | Frailaq | Bookmarked, thx :) |
| 15:10.30 | Frailaq | Should *number in --[[ io.read("*number") ]] force the user to input a number? |
| 15:17.33 | Wild|work | that doesn't look like valid lua to me at all. --[[ xxx ]] is a comment, and "*number in" doesn't look like Lua |
| 15:18.11 | Frailaq | Was trying to separate what I was saying from the code :( |
| 15:18.43 | Wild|work | ohhh, gotcha |
| 15:18.49 | Frailaq | Code: io.read("*number") |
| 15:19.43 | Wild|work | *n should, so i guess *number might work too |
| 15:20.17 | Wild|work | lua> x = io.read("*number") |
| 15:20.18 | lua_bot | Wild|work: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'io' (a nil value) |
| 15:20.30 | Wild|work | didn't think the bot would handle io :) |
| 15:21.32 | Wild|work | yes, *number works |
| 15:21.38 | Frailaq | When I type a letter it errors out... Would think it would somehow tell the user that a number is expected instead of just throwing an error |
| 15:22.01 | Wild|work | you'd need to use pcall to catch the error |
| 15:24.08 | Wild|work | i take it this isn't an addon you're working on? there's no "io" in rift |
| 15:26.50 | Frailaq | Ha ha, haven't gotten that far yet. I wrote one tiny little addon for that other game but first off it was very simple and second it was a long time ago |
| 15:27.28 | Wild|work | :) |
| 15:27.32 | Frailaq | The addon I want to create now will require significantly more knowledge of lua |
| 15:27.44 | Frailaq | So for now I study and learn |
| 15:27.52 | Wild|work | makes sense |
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| 15:29.55 | Frailaq | I'll get to rift specifics eventually but while working in scite it's easier to learn general Lua and then when I understand the basics I can switch to luapad |
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| 16:41.02 | Thorarin | Hmmf, DXT3 and DXT3 images both look kinda crappy :/ |
| 16:41.14 | Thorarin | DXT5* |
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| 16:57.49 | Thorarin | wb splitters :P |
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| 18:49.22 | Thorarin | Morning Cairenn :> |
| 18:49.30 | Cairenn | hey Thorarin |
| 18:51.34 | Cairenn | Seems things have remained quiet |
| 18:51.46 | Cairenn | Which is fine by me ;) |
| 19:00.39 | Noshei | I see you had an interesting night |
| 19:02.23 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 19:02.31 | Cairenn | shakes a stick at Noshei |
| 19:02.38 | Noshei | lol |
| 19:02.48 | Cairenn | part of it was your fault! How dare you suggest somethign that might help! |
| 19:03.02 | Noshei | yeah no kidding |
| 19:03.24 | Noshei | that guy only ever comes in here to bitch, it's rather annoying |
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| 19:18.13 | Wildtide | good evening ladies and gentlemen |
| 19:18.23 | Wildtide | and Noshei |
| 19:19.33 | Cairenn | hey Wildtide |
| 19:19.35 | Frailaq | wb |
| 19:19.47 | Wildtide | ty :) |
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| 19:22.44 | Noshei | afternoon wild |
| 19:22.45 | Thorarin | wb Wildtide |
| 19:23.17 | Thorarin | Did some more experimentation with the dds files Wildtide, but decided I don't like the texture quality when combined with alpha transparency |
| 19:23.44 | Thorarin | I might use uncompressed DDS instead, at least for some files |
| 19:23.55 | Thorarin | That has no performance gain over TGA though |
| 19:24.11 | Wildtide | oh? didn't realise there'd be a quality loss from it |
| 19:24.34 | Thorarin | It's rather lossy |
| 19:24.34 | Wildtide | i suppose it's less noticeable when they're being used for texturing meshes |
| 19:24.48 | Thorarin | I get visible artifacts :< |
| 19:24.58 | Wildtide | ugh, defnitely not good then |
| 19:26.15 | Thorarin | On some textures it's not noticeable, so I may convert everything to DDS and select the compression method on a per file basis |
| 19:27.14 | Wildtide | i suppose it'd be quite easy to save everything as a TGA, and then batch convert the whole lot to DDS so you can pick and choose |
| 19:28.11 | Thorarin | Yeah although the code depends on them all being the same file extension atm |
| 19:28.38 | Thorarin | So would pick between uncompressed DDS and compressed |
| 19:28.46 | Wildtide | ah, gotcha |
| 19:29.21 | Wildtide | i use a little LibMedia thingy, where i register textures and give them an ID, so it's quite easy to swap them in and out |
| 19:29.25 | Thorarin | Too bad PNG has to be so slow :< |
| 19:29.37 | Wildtide | i know... every single file i use is a PNG >:/ |
| 19:33.00 | Noshei | I'm using PNG for my more visible textures |
| 19:33.41 | Noshei | like for my mail addon I have a couple of different textures for each mail tab, so texture issues would be prety obvious |
| 19:34.03 | Wildtide | yep, sounds like picking and choosing is the way to go |
| 19:34.43 | Wildtide | yay, more work... and i still haven't received my first pay cheque! :D |
| 19:35.28 | Cairenn | You should rage |
| 19:37.19 | Wildtide | i might just do that, though i don't think i could match up to some of the impressive quality of raging we've seen lately |
| 19:37.33 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:37.34 | Wildtide | "numb nuts" being my particular favourite :) |
| 19:38.02 | Cairenn | That helped give away his age as much as anything else he said |
| 19:38.12 | Cairenn | I haven't heard (or used) that expression in a very long time |
| 19:38.23 | Wildtide | hehe |
| 19:39.19 | Noshei | lol |
| 19:42.00 | Wildtide | and of course, being british, my rants would be more along the lines of "I say old chap, I'm finding this whole watchdog malarky a trifle annoying. It's simply not cricket, old fruit!"... |
| 19:42.15 | Cairenn | rofl, no you wouldn't :p |
| 19:42.50 | Wildtide | :) |
| 19:42.59 | Noshei | lol |
| 19:43.27 | Noshei | dang it wild, this stupid error is annyoing |
| 19:43.45 | Cairenn | Any more than I would be all "take off eh, get oot of here buy, ya hoser, eh?" because I'm Canadian ;) |
| 19:44.07 | Noshei | lol |
| 19:44.25 | Wildtide | gotta love culural sterotypes :> |
| 19:44.31 | Wildtide | cultural ones, too |
| 19:44.34 | Cairenn | and spelling errors! |
| 19:44.38 | Wildtide | ;p |
| 19:47.00 | Wildtide | are you French Canadian, or ... English? Canadian (i just realised i have no idea what you call Canadians who aren't French ones!) |
| 19:47.22 | Noshei | just Canadians |
| 19:47.34 | Frailaq | XD |
| 19:47.35 | Cairenn | A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian, imo :) |
| 19:47.43 | Wildtide | i've been working with a lady from Quebec, and she keeps trying to make me speak French. it doesn't go very well :) |
| 19:48.24 | Cairenn | Further to that, I'm a Celt, not that many generations removed |
| 19:48.33 | Wildtide | och aye! |
| 19:48.58 | Wildtide | i'm gonna get booted out the channel for racism in a minute aren't i... |
| 19:49.01 | Cairenn | Just a wee lassie |
| 19:52.41 | Wildtide | ah, i was right with the Scottish then? not Welsh or Irish? |
| 19:53.02 | Cairenn | Both Scottish & Irish, but primarily Scottish |
| 19:53.24 | Cairenn | I've still got family in Scotland |
| 19:53.53 | Cairenn | My mom's mom's mom came over from Scotland |
| 19:55.55 | Wildtide | it's a fantastic place, i love Scotland. it's the closest we get to proper sized mountains... though i guess they're like little toy mountains compared to yours :) |
| 19:56.11 | Cairenn | Not to me, I'm from the east coast of Canada |
| 19:56.47 | Cairenn | It's the west coast that has The Rockies |
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| 19:57.56 | Wildtide | i forget how big NA is... i guess it's not a quick couple of hours in the car to get from one coast to the other? :) |
| 19:58.05 | Cairenn | naw, not so much, hehehhe |
| 19:58.31 | Wildtide | nothing over here is very far away :) |
| 19:59.27 | Noshei_ | its like 4 days to go coast to coast in the us |
| 19:59.44 | Noshei_ | and those are solid 12+ hour days |
| 19:59.56 | Cairenn | yeah, was going to say: "of solid driving" |
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| 20:01.30 | Cairenn | and actually longer in Canada |
| 20:09.23 | Wildtide | Cairenn, i see addons are starting to roll in for TSW now on SecretUI. are you very familiar with what's possible in their API? |
| 20:09.41 | Cairenn | Not so much |
| 20:10.19 | Cairenn | We've got a channel if you want to hang in there too (zomg, special club!) |
| 20:10.23 | Cairenn | #tswuidev |
| 20:10.36 | Wildtide | lol, not sure i dare :) |
| 20:10.40 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 20:11.53 | Wildtide | i'm not a Flash coder, was just wondering how open it is compared to RIFT in terms of being able to automate stuff |
| 20:12.32 | Wildtide | i might pop in at some point, i like being special |
| 20:12.32 | Cairenn | Unfortunately I really really don't understand the flash stuff, so I'm even more handicapped in there than I usually am. |
| 20:12.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:13.04 | Cairenn | I'm sure that I'll pick up bits and pieces of it over time, but yeah, I'm not a programmer, so |
| 20:13.25 | Cairenn | There's still a ton of 'discovery' going on |
| 20:13.32 | Cairenn | As people figure out what can and can't be done |
| 20:13.41 | Wildtide | problem with Flash is the cost of the tools to actually be able to do anything |
| 20:13.46 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 20:13.54 | Cairenn | LOT of complaints about that |
| 20:14.03 | Wildtide | yes, i had a look at the pdf in the game folder, not a whole lot of information :) |
| 20:14.52 | Cairenn | This ( http://www.secretui.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=153 ) is the place to go, as usual |
| 20:16.06 | Wildtide | Character.GetClientCharacter().GetStat(_global.Enums.Stat.e_Dimension) |
| 20:16.15 | Wildtide | come back Zorba, all is forgiven :D |
| 20:25.33 | arton | What's TSW? |
| 20:25.55 | arton | <blank> Star Wars? |
| 20:26.08 | Cairenn | The Secret World |
| 20:26.12 | arton | Ah |
| 20:26.14 | Cairenn | by Funcom |
| 20:45.30 | Frailaq | function blah:one() |
| 20:46.03 | Frailaq | Blah is the table it stores data in and "one" is the function? |
| 20:47.01 | Frailaq | So to call it I just have to use one () or do I have to call the full blah:one()? |
| 20:48.59 | Frailaq | Could I also have function trial:one() or would that interfere with the other function? |
| 20:54.18 | Baanano | frailaq, blah is the table and one is the function, you need to call it with the full blah:one, and trial:one would be a different function unless blah == trial |
| 20:54.51 | Frailaq | ok, thx :) |
| 21:30.29 | Thorarin | Technically blah is just the table that contains a reference to the function.. it doesn't store any data in there unless you make it do so explicitly |
| 21:30.52 | Thorarin | Although the : notation kinda suggests that that is join intention |
| 21:31.10 | Thorarin | s/join/your/ |
| 21:31.11 | Thorarin | 0.o |
| 21:31.25 | Thorarin | Indeed! |
| 21:31.49 | Thorarin | s/eed/izzle/ |
| 21:31.55 | Thorarin | Nice :> |
| 21:44.06 | Frailaq | Lol |
| 21:44.22 | Frailaq | s/lol/haha |
| 21:45.02 | Frailaq | Fail? |
| 21:45.22 | Frailaq | Oh well... I'll figure it out later. :P |
| 21:45.35 | Thorarin | Lol |
| 21:45.42 | Thorarin | s/lol/haha/i |
| 21:45.48 | Thorarin | s/lol/haha/gi |
| 21:45.52 | Thorarin | Hmm :) |
| 21:45.54 | Frailaq | s/later/now/ |
| 21:46.03 | Frailaq | Heh |
| 21:47.43 | Thorarin | The /i should have worked tbh :P |
| 21:49.00 | Thorarin | haahaaahaahaa |
| 21:49.01 | Thorarin | s/a+/o/ |
| 21:49.06 | Thorarin | Hmmf :< |
| 22:02.51 | Wildtide | Thorarin is expecting too much of the infobot |
| 22:02.55 | Wildtide | what is Thorarin? |
| 22:03.06 | Wildtide | damn, that should've worked too |
| 22:03.41 | Wildtide | purl, Thorarin is expecting too much of the infobot |
| 22:03.41 | purl | Wildtide: okay |
| 22:03.47 | Wildtide | purl, what is Thorarin? |
| 22:03.47 | purl | thorarin is, like, expecting too much of the infobot |
| 22:05.03 | Wildtide | purl, tell Thorarin you can't handle real regular expressions |
| 22:05.34 | Wildtide | aww... <purl> No, wildtide, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 22:05.58 | Wildtide | purl, tell Thorarin about you being crap at regexes |
| 22:06.19 | Wildtide | ok, i give up. <purl> i dunno what is 'you being crap at regexes'. |
| 22:07.38 | Thorarin | :) |
| 22:07.51 | Wildtide | purl, tell Thorarin about Thorarin |
| 22:08.00 | Cairenn | Wildtide: you're forgetting the ~ |
| 22:08.04 | Wildtide | aha, that worked |
| 22:08.10 | Thorarin | Fun feature anyway, I was surprised it corrected my sentence for me :) |
| 22:08.16 | Wildtide | the ~ ? |
| 22:08.44 | Cairenn | preface things to purl with ~ |
| 22:08.56 | Cairenn | ~lart Wildtide |
| 22:08.56 | purl | executes killall -HUP Wildtide |
| 22:09.08 | Cairenn | ~whalenuke Wildtide |
| 22:09.08 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Wildtide with his mind powers. |
| 22:09.08 | Wildtide | ~whaletrout Cairenn |
| 22:09.09 | purl | ACTION slaps Cairenn with Hugh's more acrobatic cousin, Milliardo, who in turn slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:09.15 | Wildtide | ~whaleshield |
| 22:09.15 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield wildtide from the blast. |
| 22:09.59 | Wildtide | is that shorthand for "purl," then? |
| 22:10.01 | Cairenn | ~cairenn |
| 22:10.01 | purl | from memory, cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface, also EQI, EQ2I, LotROI and VGI |
| 22:10.06 | Cairenn | ~emulate cairenn |
| 22:10.07 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 22:10.25 | Wildtide | awww :) |
| 22:10.49 | Baanano | do you think we could make purl and lua_bot fight? |
| 22:11.04 | Wildtide | purl, lua_bot hates you |
| 22:11.41 | Wildtide | i guess not :) |
| 22:11.49 | Cairenn | That reminds me though, I still need to get purl into a couple of my other channels yet |
| 22:12.18 | Wildtide | lua> print("~whalenuke purl") |
| 22:12.18 | lua_bot | Wildtide: ~whalenuke purl |
| 22:12.39 | Cairenn | ~timriker |
| 22:12.39 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, timriker is a noob who does c/p |
| 22:12.47 | Cairenn | pokes purl |
| 22:12.56 | Cairenn | purl, who is your owner? |
| 22:12.56 | purl | [your owner] me |
| 22:13.13 | Cairenn | grrrrr, someone messed with her factoids for him |
| 22:13.18 | Wildtide | lol |
| 22:13.25 | Cairenn | oh well, not her fault |
| 22:13.27 | Cairenn | ~botsnack |
| 22:13.27 | purl | Cairenn: :) |
| 22:14.55 | Wildtide | i never cease to amaze myself with my ability to do absolutely anything other than work on my addon :) |
| 22:15.12 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 23:21.27 | Baanano | see you tomorrow |
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