| 00:08.27 | Torhal | Noshei: If he contacts me via PM on CurseForge, I can re-instate the projects and set you as manager. |
| 00:08.53 | Noshei | ok ill ask him to do that, is your name the same? |
| 00:08.56 | Torhal | Aye |
| 01:21.46 | Imhothar | "A real survival knife has to fulfil three purposes: killing, disemboweling, can opening." |
| 01:28.13 | Noshei | hey ZorbaTHut you working tonight? |
| 01:31.59 | Imhothar | oh cute someone twittered about imhobags |
| 01:32.13 | Imhothar | must be a hate tweet about performance warnings |
| 01:32.19 | Noshei | lol |
| 02:15.37 | arton | performance warnings? o.O |
| 02:16.45 | arton | shit |
| 02:17.00 | arton | I was wondering what that was about. |
| 02:17.22 | arton | Caught my attention in one of those emails. I didn't think too much about it. |
| 02:18.09 | arton | Does it complain at MEM hogs? |
| 02:18.22 | arton | I doubt it |
| 02:32.02 | Imhothar | consumption time only, see forums for details |
| 02:36.40 | Noshei | so looks like another Addon Author is rage quiting |
| 02:52.48 | Cairenn | who? |
| 02:53.43 | Cairenn | ah, Kreiri? |
| 02:57.13 | Noshei | yeah |
| 02:57.46 | Noshei | all this drama is getting old |
| 02:57.58 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:03.18 | Imhothar | why not allow further work on their addons, that sounds very like a selfish ego trip |
| 03:03.37 | Imhothar | "you will miss my addon so much, bohoo" |
| 03:05.53 | Torhal | Because somehow Trion is going to be grievously wounded. |
| 03:05.59 | Torhal | shrugs. |
| 03:06.17 | Cairenn | meh, I don't necessarily completely agree with that, but then again everyone knows how much I support author copyright |
| 03:06.49 | Torhal | Oh, definitely - Krieri has the reight to do so, but it just comes across as a "So there!" shot. |
| 03:06.51 | Cairenn | now, in these two specific cases, yeah, it's big time "I'm taking my bat and ball and going home" |
| 03:06.55 | Torhal | s/reight/right/ |
| 03:07.03 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:07.32 | Imhothar | to me it comes along like a "see how long you can do without" statement |
| 03:07.35 | Cairenn | yeah, both of them definitely come across as being petulant children |
| 03:07.48 | Cairenn | with the way they are dealing with this |
| 03:08.03 | Cairenn | but it isn't the first time we've watched things like this happen, and it won't be the last |
| 03:08.13 | Torhal | Nor only in this community. |
| 03:08.39 | Cairenn | This has nothing on the uproar that came from Blizz making their UI policy |
| 03:09.08 | Cairenn | now THAT was ugly |
| 03:09.49 | Cairenn | that was what I meant, Torhal |
| 03:09.57 | Cairenn | (ie not just this community) |
| 03:10.08 | Imhothar | well all the wow addons I made were private/guild use so it didn't really concern me and as we couldn't get on the american forums as europeans there was little point on hanging out there |
| 03:10.17 | Torhal | Cairenn: THAT debacle gave a few "taking my ball" folks as well. |
| 03:10.34 | Cairenn | oh yes, it most definitely did |
| 03:11.10 | Torhal | The particularly awesome ones were the ones who sabotaged their own AddOns. |
| 03:11.25 | Imhothar | wtf? |
| 03:11.31 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 03:11.38 | Cairenn | among other things |
| 03:12.34 | Imhothar | now that's chilidsh |
| 03:13.07 | Cairenn | Torhal: remember EWOlson? |
| 03:13.18 | Torhal | Ugh. |
| 03:13.26 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:13.27 | Torhal | He actually showed up here for a couple of weeks. |
| 03:13.35 | Cairenn | yes, yes he did |
| 03:13.41 | Cairenn | it amused the hell out of me |
| 03:14.10 | Torhal | He's actually the one I was thinking of as the main saboteur. |
| 03:14.19 | Cairenn | especially since he was all "thanks for being so helpful with getting my irc client set up and yadda yadda yadda" to me at the same time as he's continuing to bad mouth us on the forums |
| 03:14.26 | Cairenn | yeah, I figured it probably was |
| 03:15.39 | Imhothar | interesting things happen when I'm not around |
| 03:17.03 | Noshei | lol |
| 03:23.47 | Imhothar | hm this is interesting, you can tell curse to automatically generate a license file but under copyright it just says "Copyright (c) <year> <copyright holders>" |
| 03:24.32 | Torhal | Yah, you're supposed to edit those :) |
| 03:24.48 | Imhothar | but the file is generated from the packager, can't edit those after they're created |
| 03:24.59 | Torhal | o.O |
| 03:25.18 | Imhothar | ther must be a input box somewhere |
| 03:25.31 | Torhal | On your project under the license section |
| 03:25.41 | Torhal | Edit project-->license |
| 03:26.28 | Imhothar | yeah, but can't find a field to enter year/holder, just pick the license |
| 03:26.40 | Torhal | Lemme look |
| 03:27.06 | Imhothar | Now I could copy/paste the MIT license as custom, but that kinda defeats the purpose of those predefined ones |
| 03:27.14 | Torhal | Hmm...yah |
| 03:27.21 | Torhal | File a ticket on CurseForge. |
| 03:27.31 | Imhothar | maybe there's an undocumented feature in the .pkgmeta |
| 03:27.42 | Torhal | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/ |
| 03:48.59 | Imhothar | done |
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| 04:24.32 | Noshei | oh looks like he is back to ZorbaBeta |
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| 06:06.28 | Thorarin | Hmm, seems something went wrong with guild transfer after shard consolidation :S |
| 06:06.47 | Thorarin | Unless there is a shard called "Unknown" :p |
| 06:12.03 | Thorarin | Imhothar - I'd love a fixed version of Luapad, even if you don't publish it anywhere |
| 06:12.10 | Thorarin | Saves me some time :> |
| 07:09.31 | Thorarin | BTW, I assume LuaJIT compiles per function or whatever? |
| 07:09.43 | Thorarin | I wonder if that time is counted against the Watchdog |
| 07:16.37 | Noshei | So I'm taking any offers for people to pickup any of the nk Addons, Naifu has given me permission to allow other developers continue his projects |
| 07:24.38 | seebs | I think the idea is that it compiles stuff once when it hits it, then runs it compiled later. |
| 07:46.22 | Noshei | hey seebs |
| 07:46.33 | seebs | Yo. |
| 07:47.01 | Noshei | rar_query, thats pretty descriptive |
| 07:47.31 | seebs | heh |
| 07:47.51 | seebs | I keep planning to add some kind of use of *.Storage.* to that, but not getting around to it. |
| 07:47.56 | Noshei | Imhothar just released an addon to monitor all message traffic |
| 07:54.38 | Noshei | omg this is great |
| 07:55.21 | Noshei | I can use his new addon to send people random messages and by using KBM's message system they come out as if it was sent by KBM |
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| 08:10.59 | arton | So just what is a performance warning? Do users see this? |
| 08:11.13 | Noshei | yes |
| 08:11.18 | arton | oh :( |
| 08:11.42 | Noshei | a performance warning means that it took more than 0.1 seconds to process an event handler |
| 08:11.51 | arton | oh |
| 08:12.06 | Noshei | a error message is displayed pointing to an addon |
| 08:12.28 | Noshei | the problem right now though is it's not actually addon specific |
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| 08:16.12 | Noshei | morning Wild |
| 08:19.16 | Wildtide_ | mornin' |
| 08:19.59 | Wildtide_ | does RIFT look for addons under My Docs now? |
| 08:20.21 | Noshei | yes |
| 08:20.45 | Noshei | was in out patch notes I believe |
| 08:20.49 | Noshei | *our |
| 08:21.07 | Wildtide_ | but if you already have them in the install dir, they stay there? bit unclear as to how it works now |
| 08:21.33 | Wildtide_ | shuffles off to check patch notes |
| 08:21.38 | Noshei | it shouldn't move anything |
| 08:22.12 | Noshei | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.41 | Wildtide_ | yep, just found the patch note |
| 08:22.50 | Wildtide_ | makes sense now :) |
| 08:23.50 | Noshei | wish there was a way to make testfields align right |
| 08:25.20 | arton | can Inspect.Unit.Detail().calling be anything other than mage, cleric, rogue, or warrior? |
| 08:25.34 | Noshei | maybe |
| 08:25.37 | Wildtide_ | yeah, Zorba needs to clone himself several times and get all these things done ;) |
| 08:26.05 | Wildtide_ | arton: i don't think i've ever seen anything else. it can be nil though |
| 08:26.18 | Noshei | calling:The unit's calling. May be "mage", "rogue", "cleric", or "warrior". |
| 08:26.20 | Wildtide_ | e.g. pets, critters, some NPCs, don't have a calling |
| 08:26.21 | arton | yeah it's probably nil |
| 08:26.40 | arton | I wonder why I've never had this error then. |
| 08:27.13 | arton | lua> {}[nil] |
| 08:27.13 | lua_bot | arton: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '{' |
| 08:27.22 | arton | lua> ({})[nil] |
| 08:27.23 | lua_bot | arton: nil |
| 08:27.33 | Wildtide_ | Noshei: you're picking up the NK suite? you're a braver man than me ;) |
| 08:27.44 | Noshei | only kinda |
| 08:27.51 | Wildtide_ | i didn't think you could use nil as an index |
| 08:28.00 | arton | heh |
| 08:28.12 | arton | apparently so |
| 08:28.15 | Noshei | anyone willing to take any part of it is welcome to, just need to let me know |
| 08:28.55 | Noshei | I think in that case it is using nil as a string value |
| 08:30.38 | Wildtide_ | looks at Wildtide... oops, must've left the PC on at home |
| 08:31.11 | arton | let's see if I can freeze my computer again |
| 08:31.26 | arton | I think my video card's dying. |
| 08:32.39 | Wildtide|work | err, gl then :) |
| 08:32.46 | arton | gl? |
| 08:33.03 | Wildtide|work | good luck |
| 08:33.33 | arton | GL? Rift's not GL. |
| 08:33.51 | arton | Wine converts it to GL. :P |
| 08:33.57 | Wildtide|work | lol |
| 08:34.10 | arton | like that punchline did ya? |
| 08:34.27 | Wildtide|work | Wine knocks too much off my framerate unfortunately |
| 08:34.40 | arton | yeah well I need to buy Windows |
| 08:35.38 | Wildtide|work | or Trion need to either release a Linux client, or at least add an OpenGL renderer |
| 08:35.55 | arton | heh |
| 08:36.24 | Wildtide|work | woudn't be entirely stupid, an OpenGL renderer would be a big step towards Mac support i imagine |
| 08:36.35 | arton | nods. |
| 08:36.44 | seebs | http://helpymchelperson.tumblr.com/ <-- best hobby ever |
| 08:36.49 | Noshei | so windows 8 is only going to be $40 to upgrade from XP, Vista, or 7 |
| 08:36.58 | arton | really? |
| 08:37.00 | arton | XP too? |
| 08:37.27 | Noshei | yeah |
| 08:37.37 | arton | Cool |
| 08:38.12 | Noshei | and there is like a $15 upgrade for anyone that buys a new computer with w7 on it between certain times this summer |
| 08:38.23 | arton | nice |
| 08:38.52 | Wildtide|work | "Once he realizes that you can pass captchas, he will stop assuming you have all those traits he is familiar with." - rofl :D |
| 08:39.13 | Wildtide|work | seebs: are you Helpy then? |
| 08:40.24 | Noshei | I wonder if you can use the message system to send messages cross shard now |
| 08:40.42 | Noshei | I think it might be possible |
| 08:46.59 | Noshei | omg thats awesome, we can send message cross shard with the addon system |
| 08:48.19 | Wildtide|work | cool |
| 08:49.00 | Wildtide|work | i still need to add in version checking. handy to know it'll work with people in randoms/warfronts |
| 08:54.51 | Wildtide|work | another addon dying (epgp). i guess 1.9, and definitely 1.10, is going to cull all of the old unsupported addons |
| 08:58.40 | arton | why? |
| 08:58.47 | arton | cleaning house? |
| 08:59.25 | arton | ditching the old out-dated apis. yeah my addons face obliteration I bet. >.< |
| 08:59.50 | Noshei | most of the depreciated functions will no longer work |
| 08:59.56 | arton | nods. |
| 09:00.00 | Wildtide|work | yep, 1.9 deprecated them, 1.10 removes them completely |
| 09:00.08 | arton | cool |
| 09:00.11 | arton | I think |
| 09:01.00 | Wildtide|work | use Command.System.Strict() when developing to turn on deprecation checking. it'll make addons throw errors if they use a deprecated function |
| 09:01.21 | Wildtide|work | just don't ever release an addon with that in, you wouldn't be popular :D |
| 09:02.32 | arton | :) |
| 09:03.04 | arton | Well I need to install pts client, and for that I need a pretty big window of time. :\ |
| 09:03.41 | Wildtide|work | it's not as bad as you might think, i'm pretty sure it copies what it can from your live installation |
| 09:05.12 | Thorarin | Wildtide|work, what? You mean I wouldn't be popular if everyone went ZOMG UR ADDON SUX at random authors? :P |
| 09:05.42 | arton | o.O |
| 09:05.44 | Noshei | lol |
| 09:06.05 | Thorarin | Oh wait, they already do that right now :P |
| 09:08.07 | Wildtide|work | rofl |
| 09:08.56 | Wildtide|work | i feel really unpopular now, i've had no hate mail. obviously my users just don't care :( |
| 09:16.34 | Thorarin | Awwwww :) |
| 09:16.42 | Noshei | damn it, now I have to figure out how to handle people trying to deposite items into the mail |
| 09:16.50 | Thorarin | Or your stuff works really well :P |
| 09:17.07 | Wildtide|work | i get to see my error reports, it's definitely not that ;) |
| 09:17.35 | Thorarin | Hehe, well, it's just a percentage... How many users actually get any errors? |
| 09:17.41 | Noshei | no the people that send hate mail don't use gadgets |
| 09:19.12 | Wildtide|work | i find it bizzare (but sadly not surprising) that people would do that to a volunteer. some people really are idiots |
| 09:19.40 | Wildtide|work | anyway, we need to have a collection to buy Crucia a nice big coat, so that KBB doesn't get killed off :) |
| 09:19.41 | Thorarin | I a report for KaruulAlert yesterday with error messages because ability IDs contained a space character.. |
| 09:19.50 | Thorarin | No idea how they managed that, but without an actual number of people getting the error, I have even less to go on |
| 09:20.20 | Wildtide|work | we won't get that, because you could infer population shifts from it |
| 09:20.49 | Thorarin | Well, we could also do that from the number of addon downloads |
| 09:21.10 | Wildtide|work | true, but not as accurately seeing as no-one ever actually updates their addons |
| 09:21.17 | Thorarin | But some frame of reference, even if they are also percentages :) |
| 09:21.57 | Wildtide|work | yes, knowing if it's a big issue or only effecting 3 people would be good |
| 09:22.18 | Thorarin | If I solve the top 5 errors, there will be a new top 5. |
| 09:22.25 | Wildtide|work | though i think there are rules in there that mean you won't be told about really uncommon errors |
| 09:22.28 | Wildtide|work | yep |
| 09:22.32 | Thorarin | Some unit of measurement on how bad my addon is would be nice :) |
| 09:22.37 | Wildtide|work | lol |
| 09:24.09 | Thorarin | I don't like programming overly defensively, if there is no graceful recovery. If people manually mess with saved variables, they can expect bad things :P |
| 09:24.18 | Thorarin | I don't think that is what happened, but anyway |
| 09:24.47 | Thorarin | Were there ever serialization bugs in the addon API in the past or something? |
| 09:25.01 | Noshei | i think so |
| 09:26.42 | Thorarin | Because that would be my first guess.. probably wrong, but it's weird that you get IDs like aXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX and aXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XX |
| 09:30.21 | Noshei | what was the event or command to intercept right/left clicks? |
| 09:31.33 | Wildtide|work | it's an event callback on a frame |
| 09:31.48 | Wildtide|work | you set frame.Event.LeftDown to a function |
| 09:31.53 | Wildtide|work | (i think) |
| 09:32.53 | Wildtide|work | yep, Frame.Event:LeftDown(), Frame.Event:RightDown(), etc |
| 09:33.31 | Noshei | for native frames as well? |
| 09:33.41 | Wildtide|work | can't do that |
| 09:34.13 | Wildtide|work | native frames are untouchable, all we can do is SetPoint things to them, and see where they are |
| 09:34.53 | Noshei | well I know there is a way to detect when the user clicks, no matter where it is, I just don't remember what it is |
| 09:35.08 | Wildtide|work | you sure? |
| 09:35.15 | Noshei | positive |
| 09:36.30 | Wildtide|work | if you find it, let me know. i could improve my menu control if there is |
| 09:37.02 | Wildtide|work | but i honestly don't think you can do it. there are no mouse click events that aren't part of a frame |
| 09:38.45 | Noshei | I think it is part of a frame, not sure though |
| 09:39.01 | Noshei | I'll have to dig back through IRC logs to find it now |
| 09:39.18 | Wildtide|work | there is LeftUpOutside etc |
| 09:39.44 | Wildtide|work | but the user needs to have clicked inside the frame, dragged, and released outside the frame for it to fire |
| 09:40.09 | Wildtide|work | given the amount of mouse dragging in Gadgets, i'm quite familiar with that stuff :) |
| 09:42.42 | Wildtide|work | for my menu control, i cover the entire screen with a transparent frame, and if someone clicks in it, i close the menu. that only works because when a menu is open, i don't worry about anything else being able to receive clicks |
| 09:51.39 | Noshei | I'm about 95% positive that what I'm looking for is UI.Native.BagInventory1.Event:RightClick() |
| 09:52.31 | arton | You can hook native frames? |
| 09:52.56 | arton | seems unlikely |
| 09:53.29 | Noshei | I think you can for events, and we can actually change a few things on native frames, though not much |
| 09:53.37 | arton | ah cool |
| 09:57.57 | arton | So when someone tells me my addon caused a performance error, should I just tell them to upgrade their hardware? Cause I'm not seeing the issue, and I'm running through Wine. |
| 09:58.35 | arton | crappy $100 graphics card |
| 09:59.38 | Noshei | I would tell them that you are working on it and hope to have it resolved in the near future |
| 10:00.20 | arton | Not sure how you mean. I'm not sending them new hardware. :P |
| 10:00.48 | arton | Nah, something's different enough somewhere that I keep getting this error reported. |
| 10:01.46 | arton | I gotta say though. I absolutely love these daily error reports! ZorbaBeta You're a genius. |
| 10:02.36 | Wildtide|work | i didn't think you could hook native frames. it'd be interesting if you could |
| 10:03.08 | Wildtide|work | try /script dump(UI.Native.BagInventory1.Event), i'd expect it to be nil |
| 10:04.44 | Noshei | it does show nil, but there are events for native frames |
| 10:05.12 | arton | Environment = "1.6" |
| 10:05.18 | arton | I'm guessing that's old. |
| 10:05.31 | arton | What's current? |
| 10:05.36 | arton | That's from RiftAddon.toc |
| 10:06.05 | Noshei | riftaddon.toc is part of your addon |
| 10:06.06 | arton | needs to read up on all this recent stuff. |
| 10:06.15 | arton | You misunderstand me. |
| 10:06.20 | Wildtide|work | 1.9 |
| 10:06.23 | Noshei | the environment is the game version |
| 10:06.32 | arton | Wildtide|work: thanks |
| 10:07.17 | Wildtide|work | Noshei: good point, we get move events don't we |
| 10:08.04 | Noshei | well documentation only says Layer,Loaded, and strata for Native Frame's |
| 10:08.28 | Noshei | but there has to be some way to detect click events in native frames |
| 10:08.41 | Wildtide|work | i really don't think there is |
| 10:09.33 | Wildtide|work | at least, not without overlaying it, and swallowing events before they reach the native window |
| 10:09.56 | Noshei | hey ZorbaBeta, mind jumping in here and helping us out, can we detect mouse clicks in native frames? |
| 10:11.29 | Noshei | well that wouldn't be that hard to do, but I don't think it would achieve what I need |
| 10:11.56 | Wildtide|work | no, it's liable to break the game for people who actually want to use the native frame |
| 10:12.36 | Noshei | easy enough to set it up to only work when the send tab of my addon is active and the bags are open |
| 10:13.07 | Wildtide|work | yep, that's true |
| 10:14.48 | Noshei | nm, it would be a huge pain in the ass |
| 10:15.03 | Noshei | because I would have to have a different frame for each bag slot |
| 10:16.34 | Noshei | so 114 for all the slots and then 5 more to contain those for each bag and probably one more to hold those 5 + the context |
| 10:16.45 | Noshei | so 120 frames |
| 10:17.37 | Noshei | and I would have to position them correctly and have to find a way to scale them to match the UI as well |
| 10:23.45 | arton | How do you turn on the strict mode again? |
| 10:24.00 | Noshei | Command.System.Strict() |
| 10:24.03 | arton | thanks |
| 10:24.39 | Noshei | arton; it requires at least a reloadui to disable it as well |
| 10:24.52 | arton | k |
| 10:25.20 | arton | "Error: Event Event.Unit.Available is deprecated..." :( |
| 10:25.45 | Noshei | yes |
| 10:25.48 | arton | Good. Maybe there's some sanity after all. |
| 10:26.17 | Noshei | Event.Unit.Availability.* Full/Partial/None is the new version |
| 10:26.25 | arton | Ah |
| 10:26.42 | Noshei | partial is mostly buff related I believe |
| 10:26.48 | arton | oh |
| 10:26.53 | arton | cool |
| 10:27.01 | Noshei | in that buff information is not available in partial |
| 10:27.39 | Noshei | I think |
| 10:30.31 | Noshei | well dang it, now I don't really want to do anything with my mail addon, since I can't even attach messages to it |
| 10:33.29 | arton | yeah my tooltip addon's kind of useless without questing info :( |
| 10:33.46 | arton | it's supposed to be a replacement |
| 10:39.30 | Wildtide|work | partial is mainly for when people first join a party. you see it in the native frames, when it's a dim box with no details. you get very basic info (name, calling) at first, and then all the other stuff comes in later |
| 10:40.02 | Wildtide|work | it's useful for buffs, because previously, we couldn't detect when someone went from full -> partial -> full |
| 10:40.31 | Wildtide|work | you need to rescan someone's buffs at that point, but when it was just .Available, we got no event to tell us |
| 10:41.24 | Wildtide|work | anyway... |
| 10:41.43 | Wildtide|work | we need to harrass Zorba into letting us see the to-do list/milestone plan :) |
| 10:45.04 | Wildtide|work | hang on... for attaching items, isn't that the Cursor functions? |
| 10:45.20 | Wildtide|work | not done it myself, but Baanano|afk would know |
| 10:45.46 | Noshei | requires the item to be help by the cursor |
| 10:46.24 | Wildtide|work | isn't that exactly what would happen with attachments though? |
| 10:46.39 | Noshei | not with a right click |
| 10:46.52 | Wildtide|work | oh, gotcha. was thinking of drag, not the right click stuff |
| 10:46.55 | Noshei | only with a left click |
| 10:48.35 | Wildtide|work | you could maybe open up your own inventory list (or integrate with Imho) for now |
| 10:49.38 | Wildtide|work | a lot of work, but it may be the neatest way until we have more native interactions available |
| 10:55.57 | Wildtide|work | ok, how do you change a project from 1.8 to 1.9 on Curse? |
| 10:57.04 | Noshei | it is a per file thing |
| 10:57.18 | Wildtide|work | thx, just found it (didn't go as far as 'Edit File') |
| 11:08.52 | Noshei | I hate fishing |
| 11:22.12 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, I think it *should* let you handle events on the native frames, but I strongly suspect it's not hooked up yet |
| 11:23.27 | Noshei | yeah it gave me an error when I tried UI.Native.BagInventory1.Event:RightClick() |
| 11:24.31 | Wildtide|work | Noshei, even if that worked, not sure it would help. you need events for right clicking the individual inventory item |
| 11:25.11 | ZorbaBeta | well, in theory, you could do a little math to figure out which box the mouse cursor is over |
| 11:25.18 | Wildtide|work | you'll have the same problem as an overlay - not knowing which item was clicked |
| 11:26.23 | Noshei | don't need to know the item, just the bag and slot within the bag |
| 11:26.36 | Wildtide|work | slot, that's what i meant |
| 11:27.21 | Noshei | which you could workout from the location, but then you would have to also take UI scale into consideration |
| 11:27.27 | Wildtide|work | in that case, an overlay should work almost as well as a native event handler |
| 11:27.41 | ZorbaBeta | which isn't too bad, considering that you can get the native frame's dimensions |
| 11:28.17 | Noshei | yeah good point zorba, wouldnt even need to worry about UI scale then |
| 11:28.48 | Noshei | the only problem I have iwth the overlay is creating and managing 120 frames |
| 11:28.56 | Wildtide|work | you only need 1 per bag |
| 11:29.14 | Wildtide|work | overlay the entire bag frame, and then do the maths on the mouse cursr position |
| 11:29.20 | Wildtide|work | s/cursr/cursor |
| 11:29.48 | Noshei | yeah |
| 11:30.22 | Wildtide|work | can you have a native frame as a parent? otherwise overlapping may be an issue |
| 11:30.35 | ZorbaBeta | no, you can't |
| 11:30.48 | Noshei | but you can anchor to it and change the native frames layer |
| 11:30.58 | Noshei | and strata |
| 11:31.39 | Noshei | I already do this with the Mail window, set its layer to 0 when it's open and my window to 10 |
| 11:32.32 | Wildtide|work | unless your window had the same parent as the mail window, i'm not sure how setting the layer would effect anything? |
| 11:32.44 | Wildtide|work | but i clearly works, so what do i know :) |
| 11:33.09 | Wildtide|work | *it clearly... argh, why can't i type any more... |
| 11:33.27 | Noshei | old age |
| 11:33.36 | Wildtide|work | must be ;p |
| 11:36.22 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta, it's not possible to detect click modifiers yet is it? |
| 11:37.47 | arton | one performance error out of the way |
| 11:38.00 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, hmm, is there no Inspect.Keyboard()? |
| 11:38.29 | Noshei | there is not |
| 11:38.34 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, there probably should be. |
| 11:38.46 | Wildtide|work | oh, that reminds me of a bug/feature i asked for a while ago. the keyboard events fire for CTRL/SHIFT, but just return an empty string |
| 11:39.10 | Noshei | KeyDown, KeyFocusGain, KeyFocusLoss, KeyType, KeyUp are frame events, I think thats all we get |
| 11:39.12 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I think some of the key input stuff is on hold for abit |
| 11:39.23 | ZorbaBeta | to put it simply, I totally screwed it up |
| 11:39.38 | Wildtide|work | i want to do a 'hold shift to constrain proportions' thingy when resizing a gadget |
| 11:39.43 | Wildtide|work | oh, lol. ok :) |
| 11:39.49 | Noshei | hey thats ok, no time like the present to fix it |
| 11:40.21 | ZorbaBeta | for complex stuff it sometimes takes me a few revisions to get it right. the SetPoint() system is something like revision 7 or 8. the key input system is unfortunately only revision 2, and it's barely improved since revision 1 :V |
| 11:40.57 | Wildtide|work | sure you never worked for Microsoft? ;p |
| 11:41.11 | ZorbaBeta | I'm sure, although I did work for google :) |
| 11:42.03 | Wildtide|work | but with google, you don't have to wait for v3 of everything before it works |
| 11:42.25 | ZorbaBeta | yeah we did, we just didn't release it to the outside world until then ;) |
| 11:42.44 | Wildtide|work | oh, hehe :) |
| 11:42.54 | ZorbaBeta | the worst part about working there during the development of Google Maps was that we couldn't print out directions to put in our car. you'd plot your course on Google Maps and then you'd have to go print a Mapquest map. |
| 11:43.19 | Noshei | lol |
| 11:43.22 | Wildtide|work | not ideal |
| 11:44.56 | arton | lol |
| 11:45.31 | Wildtide|work | for me, once the watchdog is happy and everyone loves it, the thing i would most like to see is the ability to hide a secure frame if it's mouseover unit isn't available. however, i realise that is only *my* priority, which is kinda meaningless on the grand scale |
| 11:50.34 | Noshei | I'm lookin for them Mail API improvements |
| 11:51.08 | Wildtide|work | yep. we all have our own priorities. but mine are more important than yours! |
| 11:51.15 | Wildtide|work | Zorba said so! |
| 11:51.31 | ZorbaBeta | wildtide, I actually looked into that - turns out it's gonna be a bit tricky to implement efficiently. it may have to wait until some changes go through |
| 11:51.41 | Wildtide|work | (ok, i may have slightly made that up) |
| 11:53.02 | Wildtide|work | ZorbaBeta, no worries, i figured it would be one of those things that sounds simple but isn't |
| 11:53.13 | Noshei | I'm guessing #1 right now for ZorbaBeta is getting Watchdog working smoothly |
| 11:53.47 | arton | :\ |
| 11:54.23 | arton | So who would be messing with this anyways... /colorchooser resize 999999999 |
| 11:55.55 | arton | still can't reproduce it. : |
| 11:56.41 | Wildtide|work | crazy things happen out in the wild. i get missing files that have never existed in the addon at all, ever |
| 11:58.08 | Wildtide|work | has to go and spend the afternoon in a chocolate factory. nom nom nom |
| 11:58.24 | Noshei | lol |
| 12:01.17 | Wildtide|work | we really do get to eat as much as we like as well. can sit there and munch our way through what would be a £50 box of chocolates in about half an hour |
| 12:01.49 | Noshei | you work in a chocolate factory? |
| 12:02.15 | Wildtide|work | no, i work for HP, but one of our clients is a chocolate maker |
| 12:02.47 | Wildtide|work | i actually work most days in a brewery's head office :) |
| 12:02.49 | Noshei | ah |
| 12:03.04 | Wildtide|work | Molson Coors in fact, who you may have heard of |
| 12:03.30 | Noshei | nope |
| 12:03.40 | Wildtide|work | !? |
| 12:04.01 | Wildtide|work | aren't they huge over there? |
| 12:04.51 | arton | There we go. I think that's it for the performance errors. :D |
| 12:05.08 | Wildtide|work | nice one arton :) |
| 12:05.34 | Noshei | oh not for chocolate, but for beer |
| 12:06.13 | Noshei | how are simultaneous Events handled? |
| 12:06.31 | Wildtide|work | sorry, confusing you there. one client makes chocolate (Thorntons), another one makes beer (MolsonCoors) |
| 12:06.45 | Wildtide|work | there's no such thing. events fire sequentially |
| 12:07.38 | Noshei | like im looking at when you open your bags |
| 12:07.45 | Noshei | 5 events fire off |
| 12:07.58 | Noshei | so what determines the order they go off |
| 12:08.25 | ZorbaBeta | the official answer is "absolutely nothing". |
| 12:08.34 | Wildtide|work | i'd work on the assumption it's random. it probably isn't, but if it's not documented, it could change |
| 12:08.41 | Noshei | random chance, I like it |
| 12:08.57 | arton | undefined chance more like it |
| 12:09.25 | Noshei | wish there was a native event for opening off inventory bags |
| 12:09.58 | Wildtide|work | wouldn't you need to handle each bag individually anyway? |
| 12:10.06 | Wildtide|work | someone could open/close just one bag |
| 12:11.00 | Wildtide|work | that someone would clearly have to be far more organised than me, who has gone for the 'random distribution of loot through all his bags' approach |
| 12:11.11 | arton | Why can't we have just one bag? |
| 12:11.20 | arton | I never open just one bag. |
| 12:11.31 | Wildtide|work | most people don't, but someone *could* |
| 12:11.37 | arton | :\ |
| 12:12.13 | arton | I just want an empty hole I can fit my junk in. :( |
| 12:12.22 | Wildtide|work | *cough* |
| 12:12.30 | arton | :\ |
| 12:12.49 | arton | forgets it. |
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| 12:13.05 | Noshei | lol |
| 12:13.27 | Wildtide|work | <-- trying to work out whether or not that blatant innuendo was intended or not |
| 12:14.08 | arton | It's Noshei's fault. |
| 12:14.18 | Wildtide|work | picking up bad habits? :) |
| 12:14.32 | arton | lol |
| 12:18.46 | Wildtide|work | right, better head off. this chocolate won't eat itself... |
| 12:19.07 | Noshei | function UI.Native.BagInventory1.Event:Loaded() |
| 12:19.08 | Noshei | if EM.UI.Inventory.Bag1 and not EM.UI.Inventory.Bag1:GetVisible() then |
| 12:19.08 | Noshei | EM.UI.Inventory.Bag1:SetVisible(true) |
| 12:19.08 | Noshei | UI.Native.BagInventory1:SetLayer(0) |
| 12:19.08 | Noshei | elseif EM.UI.Inventory.Bag1 and EM.UI.Inventory.Bag1:GetVisible() then |
| 12:19.08 | Noshei | EM.UI.Inventory.Bag1:SetVisible(false) |
| 12:19.10 | Noshei | else |
| 12:19.13 | Noshei | EM.UI.Inventory.Create('1') |
| 12:19.15 | Noshei | end |
| 12:19.17 | Noshei | end |
| 12:19.19 | Noshei | *5, oh joy |
| 12:26.21 | arton | So in case zombies invade, all we have to do is pretend to be zombies too? |
| 12:26.44 | arton | I'm totally down with the walk. |
| 12:33.10 | Noshei | interesting, spamming your inventory hotkey doesn't actually change the loaded state of your bags |
| 12:33.38 | Noshei | and by spamming I mean pressing it about 5-10 times a second |
| 12:35.36 | arton | I need sleep bad. ugh |
| 12:35.39 | arton | :\ |
| 12:35.51 | arton | I do this sometimes. |
| 12:41.45 | Noshei | well time for me to head off, sadly not to bed |
| 12:53.55 | arton | Rift4Droid. I'd pay to play that. |
| 12:54.42 | arton | Pocket Legends seems fun. |
| 12:54.59 | arton | I haven't played much though because I want the bonus you can purchase early. |
| 12:57.48 | arton | Pocket Legends forms parties automatically. That's why Rift reminds me of it. |
| 13:04.48 | arton | Pocket Legends with Rift UI setup. And for the love of god just sell people gold for real world cash. The whole idea of farming and making a living in an MMO is ruined by the sheer fact that bots exist. Just sell the platinum. People will buy it if it means they get flasks for 20 people. Otherwise it's grind, grind, grind... stop grinding us. |
| 13:06.24 | ZorbaBeta | I personally have always felt that Eve and Puzzle Pirates had the most elegant solution to that problem |
| 13:06.33 | arton | What's that? |
| 13:07.05 | ZorbaBeta | let the market come in to play. Eve lets you buy items with real money called "plexes" that can be redeemed for 60 days of game time |
| 13:07.13 | ZorbaBeta | you can then sell those plexes on the ingame market for ingame money |
| 13:07.23 | arton | cool |
| 13:07.43 | arton | gold farming kills games |
| 13:07.49 | ZorbaBeta | that lets you indirectly buy ingame money with real money, as well as finance your subscription with ingame money. And yet, CCP, the makers of Eve, don't actually produce any ingame currency, nor do they end up losing out on subscription fees. |
| 13:08.13 | ZorbaBeta | Puzzle Pirates has a similar deal - most transactions in the game require a small number of a currency called "doubloons", which are technically about 25c each |
| 13:08.25 | arton | :) |
| 13:08.27 | arton | very cool |
| 13:08.27 | ZorbaBeta | but again, you can just buy 'em on the ingame market if you're flush with ingame currency and want doubloons, or sell them if you're reversed. |
| 13:09.38 | arton | You can buy platinum in Pocket Legends. I'm not sure how important this platinum is yet though. :\ 5 bucks for 30 platinum. |
| 13:12.52 | arton | Oh and you can partner with bignames to offer free platinum just for signing up with Netflix. |
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| 13:16.55 | arton | When I log into Rift, and right before entering the game, I am able to modify addons. Would be cool if right here was placed the mechanism to automatically download and install an addon. |
| 13:17.12 | arton | View them all from this point. |
| 13:17.14 | arton | Browse |
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| 13:19.17 | arton | Cause I don't think people are interested in addons if they have to go download them. I've asked around on my shard, and nobody uses any addons except damage meters and boss mods. :\ |
| 13:26.22 | arton | http://stateofworkingamerica.org/charts/ratio-of-average-ceo-total-direct-compensation-to-average-production-worker-compensation-1965-2009/ |
| 13:26.25 | arton | :/ |
| 13:26.34 | Wildtide|work | obv i missed most of that, but are you talking about in-game addon downloads? |
| 13:26.42 | arton | yes |
| 13:27.17 | Wildtide|work | would be kinda hard on Curse/RiftUI if Trion did that |
| 13:28.09 | arton | Yeah |
| 13:29.10 | Wildtide|work | i would like in-game (Trion handled) notifications of updates being available, but it would need us to be able to tell Trion what the correct version of an addon was, which would probably need some sort of secure portal... which would cost a fortune to implement... :( |
| 13:29.12 | arton | I'm just thinking how this would work on a mobile device. |
| 13:29.59 | arton | This whole Lua gaming UI concept I mean. |
| 13:30.04 | arton | Scriptable interfaces. |
| 13:30.36 | arton | Recount for Pocket Legends. :P |
| 13:32.16 | Baanano | hi |
| 13:34.37 | Wildtide|work | hola |
| 13:36.09 | Wildtide|work | ¿Cómo está? |
| 13:38.45 | Baanano | hmm |
| 13:38.54 | Baanano | fine, thanks, how are you? |
| 13:40.12 | Wildtide|work | i exhausted my in-depth knowledge of Spanish above... fine thanks :) |
| 13:43.08 | Baanano | you know, i've always wondered why people ask "how are you" when they actually don't care how you are, and you have to answer "fine" so everybody can move on, as if you reply any other thing it's socially unappropiate |
| 13:44.30 | Baanano | (it's not against you, it's just that i find it a silly protocol, indeed i thank you for asking, as that isn't something you can expect in irc) |
| 13:48.39 | Baanano | i guess that comment was socially unappropiate, just ignore it |
| 13:49.14 | Baanano | so... i read things are calming down and noshei will continue naifu's addons |
| 13:49.29 | Wildtide|work | lol, that's very true Baanano :) |
| 13:50.53 | Wildtide|work | yes, he's stepped into the cross-hairs, and given up any chance of life outside a text editor |
| 13:51.17 | Baanano | he's really brave |
| 13:51.44 | Wildtide|work | i know, i said the same thing :) |
| 13:52.15 | Baanano | that addon suite surely is an overwhelming task to update for 1.9, even more if the code was written by another author |
| 13:56.16 | Wildtide|work | well, it's certainly not something i'd have offered to do, but i have to admit, i don't enjoy supporting other people's code (it's something i have to do a lot at work) |
| 13:57.03 | Wildtide|work | right, i have a meeting to go to. bbiab |
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| 16:02.24 | Torhal | Noshei: Aloha. |
| 16:28.10 | seebs | Wildtide: Yes, Helpy's one of my hobbies. |
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| 18:02.52 | seebs | Someone on TSW forums was telling the funcom people they should appoint me as a community rep or whateveer. |
| 18:03.22 | seebs | I think my goal should be to get ncsoft, funcom, and Trion in a bidding war for my valuable forum posting abilities. |
| 18:03.36 | Torhal | Noshei: When you get back - you're now project manager on all of Naifu's old AddOns. |
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| 18:57.11 | Cairenn | Happy Independence Day to the USAsians! |
| 18:59.28 | Torhal | Just to the U.S. Asians? |
| 19:00.55 | Cairenn | :p |
| 19:01.10 | Torhal | :D |
| 19:03.58 | seebs | Only some of them, too, I think some states do the 2nd. |
| 19:05.00 | seebs | http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/26503098750/july-4th-1776 |
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| 20:34.14 | Thorarin | Huh... |
| 20:34.46 | Thorarin | Anyone has an idea why parsing might break when I put "return" or "return nil" or something halfway a function? |
| 20:34.53 | Thorarin | Makes no sense :S |
| 20:45.25 | Baanano | return and break statemets must be immediately followed by the block closing end |
| 20:48.04 | Baanano | lua> local x = 5; return; print(x) |
| 20:48.04 | lua_bot | Baanano: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'print' |
| 20:48.11 | Baanano | lua> local x = 5; if true then return end; print(x) |
| 20:48.11 | lua_bot | Baanano: No output |
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| 21:17.53 | Torhal | g0urra: Foof. |
| 21:18.01 | g0urra | .fooF |
| 21:19.18 | seebs | Yeah. It is a syntax error to have unambiguously-unreachable code. |
| 21:19.27 | seebs | The idiom is if true then return end |
| 21:50.53 | Thorarin | F0 0F C7 C8? |
| 21:51.50 | Thorarin | Thanks seebs, I found that workaround.. but to break the parsing like it does is just silly :S |
| 21:52.25 | Thorarin | <= currently having "fun" chopping UI building into <5ms pieces |
| 21:54.51 | seebs | It is a bit silly, but on the whole I admit, it has saved me from some tragic errors. :) |
| 21:54.56 | seebs | Coroutines! |
| 21:56.40 | Thorarin | YSE! |
| 21:57.09 | Thorarin | Made a few background task library functions |
| 21:57.45 | Thorarin | Not so back to rewrite to use coroutines themselves, but finding the right place to yield is annoying :) |
| 21:58.16 | g0urra | LOL it seems that the shard I just joined is german |
| 21:58.44 | Thorarin | function oldFunction() queueTask(function() ...old code... end) end |
| 21:58.46 | Thorarin | kdone :) |
| 21:59.14 | Thorarin | I take it you aren't g0urra :P |
| 21:59.24 | g0urra | nope |
| 21:59.47 | g0urra | >Brutwacht |
| 22:00.41 | Thorarin | Yup, that's german alright :) |
| 22:01.05 | g0urra | there's 4 english on Low, and 1 on High.. |
| 22:01.20 | Thorarin | Icewatch had a queue earlier tonight |
| 22:01.33 | g0urra | yeah. 54 minutes |
| 22:01.37 | g0urra | last time I checked |
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| 22:27.10 | Wildtide | Lol, was just running through Meridian, and left my body behind! |
| 22:28.02 | Wildtide | i'm now a disembodied head, hands and feet, and my body is hanging in the air |
| 22:28.21 | Imhothar | why do you do such things |
| 22:28.33 | Wildtide | well, i didn't choose to do it |
| 22:31.35 | Wildtide | http://www.wildtide.net/media/ShyriaNoBody.jpg :) |
| 22:32.10 | Imhothar | looks like a errible horror movie |
| 22:32.16 | g0urra | o_o |
| 22:33.03 | Wildtide | i'm still running round like that, just a head/hands/feet. seems a shame to reload :) |
| 22:33.44 | Imhothar | two days ago my hair stopped being attached to my skalp |
| 22:34.22 | Wildtide | that'll be old age |
| 22:34.44 | Imhothar | Noshei, you there? |
| 22:40.29 | Imhothar | I give you old age, you , you, something |
| 22:57.30 | Wildtide | ZorbaBeta, are you around? |
| 23:20.38 | Wildtide | right, i *think* i've just made my buff handling about a million times more efficient thanks to Availability. fingers crossed i haven't broken stuff all over the place with it |
