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| 02:12.20 | Noshei | evening everyone |
| 03:09.05 | Solsis | Evenint Noshei |
| 03:09.11 | Solsis | Evening* |
| 03:09.13 | Noshei | to have my addon window above a native frame do I need to change the strata or the layer? |
| 03:09.34 | Solsis | Just got out of raid.. actually an hour early. Had some people that had to leave early today. |
| 03:09.47 | Solsis | I would think strata Noshei |
| 03:12.13 | Solsis | "I think" being the key there. |
| 03:13.07 | Solsis | Actually you know... I had a problem when one of my frames overlaying a native and I use SetLayer |
| 03:13.35 | Noshei | window:SetLayer(11000) |
| 03:14.00 | Solsis | lol |
| 03:14.07 | Solsis | can you actually do that? |
| 03:14.21 | Noshei | you can use any number for the layer |
| 03:14.38 | Noshei | but even with that it is still behind the native frame |
| 03:15.44 | Solsis | So try strata. Cause I think that should do it. I just recalled having a problem with SetLayer overlapping a native frame a couple of times.. could have just be coincidence/fluke. |
| 03:15.55 | Solsis | and strata is 1-9 I think |
| 03:15.59 | Noshei | is it possible to set the strata on one frame to a strata that isn't listed for that frame? |
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| 03:17.07 | Solsis | Not sure |
| 03:18.11 | Solsis | I haven't ever messed with the stratas or had a reason to. Not yet anyways. |
| 03:22.28 | Noshei | lol, I just created a cursor trail out of the mail frame |
| 03:23.24 | Solsis | nice |
| 03:40.45 | Noshei | hey ZorbaGama, would it be possible to get a Command.Interaction that would allow us to change the interaction, but only for a brief time after an Event.Interaction message is triggered. My thoughts here is that it would let us detect the user opened the mail, for example, we then close the native frame and open our frame and set the interaction back to true. |
| 04:22.35 | ZorbaGama | noshei, not possible, sorry. You may eventually gain the ability to hide the Mail frame. |
| 04:23.16 | Noshei | how about the ability to attach the mail frame to a frame I create? |
| 04:25.52 | Noshei | of course that would essentially be the same as hiding it, but without actually hiding it |
| 04:34.50 | ZorbaGama | you'll likely see hiding before you see that |
| 04:39.55 | Noshei | yeah, and hiding makes way more sense |
| 04:40.14 | Noshei | another thing, any way to change the font size on RiftButton? |
| 04:40.43 | ZorbaGama | not at the moment, maybe not ever - the intent is that it's a clone of the existing buttons |
| 04:40.48 | ZorbaGama | and we never change the font size on ours :V |
| 04:41.32 | Noshei | darn, didnt want to resize it, but my text doesn't fit |
| 04:41.57 | ZorbaGama | in theory it should scale horizontally better than it currently does |
| 04:43.34 | ZorbaGama | also, layering sorts by strata first, then by layer |
| 04:44.11 | Noshei | yeah I ended up just changing the layer on the native.mail frame |
| 04:44.23 | Noshei | and it worked just fine |
| 04:45.26 | Noshei | oh another interesting thing I noticed is that when I used setpoint center ui.native.mail center my frame was actually offset down a bit |
| 05:09.45 | ZorbaGama | it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the native frames aren't quite pixel-aligned. it's a bit finicky getting them working, and I usually just got them "close" |
| 05:12.22 | arton | ZorbaGama: Is it possible to clamp a frame to the screen so it won't leave the screen's area? |
| 05:12.42 | arton | My solution has bugs. :( |
| 05:13.28 | Noshei | even the native ui cant do that |
| 05:13.49 | Noshei | I would provide a reset position option |
| 05:14.13 | Noshei | slash command for it would be best |
| 05:14.15 | arton | I'm moving a tooltip around with the mouse. |
| 05:14.52 | arton | And it swirls out at you, so it's also animating. |
| 05:15.08 | arton | So it just needs to account for the overlap. |
| 05:15.13 | arton | And adjust. |
| 05:15.27 | arton | But I left it with bugs apparently and I'm not sure how it works atm. lol |
| 05:15.40 | Noshei | lol |
| 05:15.55 | Noshei | ah so it gets stuck off screen then? |
| 05:17.20 | arton | nah, it does what it's s upposed to do, except that on the outer edges of the animating spiral when your up at the top of the screen it'll fall down a bit then move back into place. It's just on the outer edges. |
| 05:17.59 | arton | could be better at finding the exact edge too. |
| 05:18.14 | arton | That's likely where the bug originates. |
| 05:20.31 | Noshei | on the pts we have Inspect.Setting.Detail, use that to get the exact screen size |
| 05:20.47 | arton | Ah ok |
| 05:20.55 | arton | Yeah the top edge isn't always exactly 0 |
| 05:20.59 | arton | iirc |
| 05:21.19 | arton | I'll look into this method you're poinoting to. |
| 05:21.24 | Noshei | then setup a frame to contain the animation thats like 5% smaller than the screen |
| 05:21.26 | arton | s/poino/poin/ |
| 05:23.53 | Noshei | hey zorbagama, is it possible for us to close a native frame? So that when someone closes my mail addon it will close the native mail window |
| 05:37.06 | arton | So I was trying to peddle StarTip to players in in-game chat. Absolutely nobody is into tooltip enhancements it seems. |
| 05:40.09 | Noshei | I blame trion |
| 05:42.28 | arton | people are picky about their realestate. |
| 05:43.09 | arton | I've got to have my tooltip at the mousetip. |
| 05:43.43 | arton | And StarTip doesn't show questing info, so you still have to show the default tooltip, which I dislike. |
| 05:44.52 | arton | I do need to make it to where I can attache the fake tooltip to the regular tooltip though. |
| 05:45.03 | arton | That's possible right? |
| 05:45.41 | arton | We have frames that represent some in-game UI elements right? |
| 05:46.12 | arton | grags the docs. |
| 05:46.20 | arton | s/grags/grabs/ |
| 05:48.18 | Noshei | yeah thats possible |
| 05:48.24 | arton | Ah hah. I recall making this bookmark a while back. Wonder if it's up-to-date. http://www.seebs.net/rift/pts/ |
| 05:48.31 | Noshei | UI.Native are the frames we can attach to |
| 05:48.36 | arton | cool |
| 05:48.40 | Noshei | yes it is |
| 05:49.01 | Noshei | UI.Native.Tip |
| 05:49.02 | Noshei | Documentation: |
| 05:49.02 | Noshei | The Game Tip dialog. |
| 05:49.02 | Noshei | UI.Native.Tip |
| 05:49.02 | Noshei | UI.Native.TipAlert |
| 05:49.02 | Noshei | Documentation: |
| 05:49.04 | Noshei | The Game Tip notification popup. |
| 05:49.06 | Noshei | UI.Native.TipAlert |
| 05:49.08 | Noshei | UI.Native.Tooltip |
| 05:49.10 | Noshei | Documentation: |
| 05:49.13 | Noshei | The tooltip. |
| 05:49.15 | Noshei | UI.Native.Tooltip |
| 05:49.17 | Noshei | UI.Native.TooltipAnchor |
| 05:49.19 | Noshei | Documentation: |
| 05:49.22 | Noshei | The location that tooltips are anchored to by default. |
| 05:49.24 | Noshei | UI.Native.TooltipAnchor |
| 05:49.31 | arton | coolieo |
| 05:50.27 | Noshei | dang it, I have to learn how to do databases in lua, sigh |
| 05:51.46 | arton | how do I get a number value representing time? My Lua is foggy. |
| 05:52.39 | arton | Noshei: You're going to write a database in Lua? |
| 05:53.20 | Noshei | well i think its called a metatable in lua, but just need to learn how it all works with lua |
| 05:53.50 | arton | oh it's 'os' I thought it was a global. |
| 05:57.28 | Noshei | just need somewhere to store information about each mail object so I can use it to create the frames and make changes to them as needed. though I might just be able to do it all without storing it, but I like the idea of being able to see what in your mail (except new messages) at any time |
| 06:16.20 | arton | heh |
| 06:24.23 | Noshei | how are frame events handled? |
| 06:25.14 | arton | hmm? |
| 06:26.07 | arton | Can I catch key events yet? |
| 06:28.05 | Noshei | I dont think so |
| 06:29.06 | arton | I'm guessing Queue is for addon messaging? |
| 06:30.39 | Noshei | no |
| 06:30.55 | Noshei | seems to be processing queue |
| 06:45.58 | arton | people don't seem to be using addons except boss mods and damage meters. |
| 06:47.48 | arton | oops, I guess recording a in-game video doesn't work in Wine. |
| 06:47.54 | arton | :\ |
| 06:51.01 | Noshei | lol |
| 06:51.49 | Noshei | I think it's more because people dont know of all the nice addons out now, and they also expect us to be able to do everything you could with addons in wow |
| 06:52.49 | arton | nods. |
| 06:53.43 | Noshei | I think it would be nice if we could get a bi-weekly featured addon message either ingame or on the launcher |
| 06:53.57 | arton | heh |
| 06:54.24 | arton | Rift could provide an addon store. :P |
| 06:54.49 | arton | That way you don't have to download and install anything. |
| 06:54.53 | Noshei | not sure if zorbagama has talked about stuff like that at all |
| 06:55.05 | arton | lol |
| 06:55.06 | Noshei | yeah a store for addons is a bad idea |
| 06:55.08 | arton | :\ |
| 06:55.13 | arton | why's that? |
| 06:55.45 | Noshei | most people wont pay for them, and the addons they will pay for better have some damn amazing features |
| 06:55.59 | arton | No they're free. Guidelines dictate that already. |
| 06:56.27 | Noshei | oh then you mean an addon library? |
| 06:56.36 | arton | Sorta yes. That's a good name for it. |
| 06:57.03 | Noshei | kinda like curse or riftui, but built into rift |
| 06:57.09 | arton | yes :) |
| 06:57.20 | Noshei | not likely to happen |
| 06:57.25 | arton | lol |
| 06:58.11 | arton | would kind of kill addon websites though. :P |
| 06:58.33 | Noshei | yeah, and its a lot of work for very little benefit |
| 06:59.41 | arton | if it means more people use my addon then I'm cool with it :P |
| 07:00.20 | Noshei | and I'm sure if you made the system and gave it to them they would use it |
| 07:00.43 | arton | hard to say |
| 07:01.38 | Noshei | if you can give any game company a cool new fully developed product at no cost to them, they would most likely use it |
| 07:01.49 | arton | hehe |
| 07:10.23 | arton | Oh Riftui has a git repo now! Sweet |
| 07:31.41 | Solsis|TV | ? |
| 07:31.46 | Solsis|TV | Haven't they had one for a while? |
| 07:49.28 | arton | Probably |
| 07:49.40 | arton | I've been away for a while. :) |
| 07:52.46 | arton | Doesn't seem Inspect.Settings.Detail is available on live realms? |
| 07:53.44 | arton | That's what it is. |
| 07:53.52 | Noshei | no, only pts |
| 07:53.55 | arton | Bleh I don't want to install pts |
| 08:11.34 | Noshei | its really easy to install it |
| 08:12.19 | Noshei | bah, nm |
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| 09:33.17 | Solsis | of course wild gets on when i'm going to go head to bed |
| 09:33.18 | Solsis | lol |
| 09:33.42 | Solsis | or at least when I notice he's on. |
| 09:34.00 | Solsis | Everyone must be working hard on stuff.. it's pretty quiet tonight. :P |
| 09:34.41 | Solsis | Anywhos. Think i'm gonna go lay down for a bit. |
| 09:42.32 | Wildtide | hi Sol :) |
| 09:43.15 | Wildtide | sorry, i'm one of those odd individuals (round here) that logs in during the day, and sleeps at night |
| 09:45.55 | Solsis|mobile | Lol. Well it is 445 am here. =p |
| 09:50.10 | Wildtide | ouch! it's 10:50am here :) |
| 09:59.19 | Noshei | anyone used SimpleTabView in simple widgets before? |
| 09:59.53 | Wildtide | i have a little |
| 10:00.28 | Noshei | had any issues with the event for it TabSelect ? I can't seem to get it to work at all |
| 10:07.55 | Wildtide | no, but then i don't think i've ever used the event |
| 10:08.08 | Wildtide | which isn't much help :) |
| 10:17.18 | Noshei | have you used any of the events for any of those frames? |
| 10:28.24 | Wildtide | possibly not, i'm trying to remember what i actually did with SimpleWidgets now |
| 10:28.53 | Wildtide | i've started creating the options panel, but there's barely anything there, and i probably don't handle any events yet |
| 10:31.43 | Noshei | I think that might be where you used it |
| 10:31.54 | Noshei | if I remember correctly |
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| 10:53.01 | Noshei | wow, I had the event set to the wrong frame, lol |
| 11:27.05 | Noshei | hey zorbagama, when is Inspect.Mail.List supposed to populate? |
| 11:27.46 | Noshei | nm, overlooked Event.Mail |
| 11:34.48 | Noshei | hey wildtide, whats the reason you use the _shadow? |
| 12:07.13 | Wildtide | the shadow table is used in combination with the metamethods __index and __indexnew |
| 12:07.36 | Wildtide | basically, it lets me run code whenever a value is read from, or set, in a Unit table |
| 12:07.59 | Wildtide | kinda like property setters/getters in C#/Java |
| 12:08.38 | Wildtide | __newindex, even |
| 12:09.44 | Noshei | how does it get back to those 2 functions? |
| 12:10.37 | Wildtide | have a look here: http://lua-users.org/wiki/MetamethodsTutorial |
| 12:12.00 | Wildtide | basically, you use setmetatable to set the metatable for a table in Lua. then, any time you try to read a value that doesn't exist in the table, it will use the __index member of the metatable to try to find it |
| 12:12.22 | Wildtide | and any time you set a value that doesn't exist, it will call __newindex |
| 12:12.41 | Wildtide | the _shadow table is used to ensure the values don't exist in the table, so that the methods are always called |
| 12:13.02 | Wildtide | metatables are a bit confusing at first, but they are really fundamental to OO Lua |
| 12:14.28 | Noshei | ok interesting |
| 12:15.35 | Noshei | now I'm not worried about overwriting data and I will always know the key I'm looking for, so I wouldn't really need to use _shadow? |
| 12:16.35 | Wildtide | i only use it in the Unit object to handle properties changing and to trigger the associated Gadgets events/bindings. you shouldn't need to use anything similar |
| 12:17.22 | Noshei | I might later on, but for now I think I can do without. |
| 12:17.35 | Noshei | that was really helpful though thanks |
| 12:17.39 | Wildtide | np :) |
| 12:18.13 | Wildtide | this is a very useful read: http://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 12:19.20 | Wildtide | i was horrified at first, coming from C++/C#, but when i got my head round it, it's incredibly powerful |
| 12:19.26 | Noshei | I'm kinda a fly by the seat of your pants guy, at least when it comes to learning stuff. So generally I can figure it out with a little playing around |
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| 12:20.31 | Noshei | I knew absolutely nothing about lua about a month ago. |
| 12:21.21 | Wildtide | i thought i knew it, until i started writing Gadgets. i've learned so much new stuff since then |
| 12:23.02 | Noshei | well I'm certainly no programmer, I just do this stuff for fun, and knowing how to toss together a small program can be useful as a server admin |
| 12:25.08 | Noshei | also I noticed that you do WT.Units[unitId] = unit twice when creating the units. not sure if thats intended or just some extra code |
| 12:26.04 | Wildtide | it's *probably* a bug, though i'd have to check |
| 12:26.38 | Noshei | once in OnUnitAvailable and again in PopulateUnit |
| 12:28.34 | Wildtide | that does sound odd, though there could be a reason for it (maybe). i'm going through a tidy-up exercise this evening, so i'll have a look then |
| 12:30.04 | Noshei | yeah I'm guessing it's just an oversight, it happens |
| 12:30.37 | Wildtide | yep, it probably is. i just to make sure it's not covering a situation like the player zoning |
| 12:46.37 | Noshei | oh did I ever tell you why I couldn't get the distance to work when I used the unitdatabase? |
| 12:49.56 | Noshei | I had been using coordX,coordY,coordZ, instead of the coord table, and you dont update the 3 coord properties only the table. |
| 13:07.17 | Baanano | hi |
| 14:37.33 | Solsis|Zzz | Morning all |
| 14:50.29 | Wildtide | yep, you did mention that Nosh. i don't set the individual Coord values as that would result in 3 calls to __newindex, and therefore 3 separate property change events. i could drectly set the values in the shadow table, which might make the unit object a bit more usable |
| 14:50.42 | Wildtide | in fact, i'll add that to the list |
| 14:50.46 | Wildtide | morning Sol |
| 14:51.00 | Wildtide | or afternoon, for those of us who don't live in the colonies ;p |
| 14:51.44 | Noshei | meh, was just an over sight on my end. Just an extra not somewhere would probably be easier |
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| 16:07.31 | Solsis | so much stuff to do... /sigh |
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| 19:15.44 | Wildtide | ewww, thought i'd try IceChat... not a pretty client. off to find something else... |
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| 19:20.47 | Solsis | Let me know what client you end up with Wildtide |
| 19:21.23 | Solsis | Pidgin is an aio messenger that has irc capabilities as well.. that's what I'm using now |
| 19:21.29 | Wildtide | just grabbed XChat for now. prefer Mirc, but evaluation ran out and i'm too skint to buy it right now :) |
| 19:22.10 | Solsis | I hate having to back-track changes in my code.. =( |
| 19:22.29 | Solsis | Gonna have to wait longer before removing stuff I've commented out. lol |
| 19:22.58 | Wildtide | lol. you're not using a repo then? |
| 19:23.26 | Solsis | I'm a clean coder though. Too much unused commented code starts bothering me.. I am. I use Git (though not real familiar with it yet). |
| 19:23.51 | Solsis | I ALWAYS duplicate and comment a line when I'm changing something that is already there |
| 19:24.20 | Wildtide | you should be able to diff your current code with an older GIT commit if there's a lot of stuff you need to retrieve |
| 19:24.37 | Wildtide | or even jump back to when it last worked if it gets really bad ;) |
| 19:25.10 | Solsis | The issue isn't KNOWING what changed or I would just look at whats diff in Git. |
| 19:26.19 | Solsis | Something I've done has caused a problem.. So I'm just using the last version that worked and moving over big changes that I made one at a time. |
| 19:26.35 | Wildtide | ahh, gotcha. sounds fun |
| 19:26.53 | Solsis | probably what I get for working on this thing when I'm really tired. lol |
| 19:29.06 | Solsis | So how are you doing today? |
| 19:30.31 | Wildtide | oh, not too bad. need more caffeine though |
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| 19:33.26 | Wildtide1 | cool, this pidgin thing looks ok. slightly odd running irc in a communicator client though |
| 19:33.38 | Solsis | it is |
| 19:33.39 | Solsis | lol |
| 19:33.45 | Solsis | But it works |
| 19:33.56 | Solsis | and you can close the window but stay in the channel |
| 19:34.57 | Solsis | and just re-open it like a conversation with someone and everything is just as it was. |
| 19:35.34 | Solsis | I like staying in here cause when people work on issues and stuff it may be something that is helpful. |
| 19:35.55 | Imhothar | Solsis: commit early, commit often ;) |
| 19:35.56 | Wildtide1 | nah, you're just scared we'll all talk about you when you leave ;) |
| 19:36.13 | Wildtide1 | but don't worry, we have a special channel for that |
| 19:43.13 | Solsis | lol |
| 19:45.56 | Solsis | Imhothar... I'm definately trying to get into a better habit of committing a lot. |
| 19:46.27 | Solsis | Especially with the way Git is setup. |
| 19:46.34 | Solsis | That diff thing is amazing. |
| 19:46.52 | Imhothar | it also helps with change logs to have the commit log as detailed as possible |
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| 19:49.32 | Imhothar | sometimes i even commit just a few lines if i think it makes up a logical unit |
| 19:52.56 | Solsis | I agree |
| 19:53.57 | Imhothar | with svn committing is a bitch, but git just makes it almost too easy |
| 20:06.08 | Solsis | committing in SVN was actually pretty easy imo. I used Tortoise SVN. But it doesn't seem to have as many features as git. |
| 20:06.33 | Solsis | Git is a little more confusing to me but it's new.. I'll get the hang of it. |
| 20:07.03 | Imhothar | well what I meant is performance. Wtih SVN every commit is a server interaction and much slower than a local git commit |
| 20:11.56 | Solsis | doing a server commit wasn't a big deal to me though. And made it easy to sync across my laptop and home. |
| 20:12.23 | Solsis | on the flipside.. if I don't have web access.. a local commit is handy. |
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| 22:47.28 | Solsis|afk | Evening everyone. |
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