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| 12:12.39 | NaifuKishi | Zorba I noticed that the items.xml file has gone down significantely on size. Any internal changes I should be aware of or did you guys finally throw out all the old items no longer available ingame? |
| 12:18.10 | Ingshtrom | Hey N.! |
| 12:18.57 | NaifuKishi | Hi there |
| 12:19.55 | Ingshtrom | Whatchya workin on? |
| 12:21.00 | NaifuKishi | tons of minor updates. Working on all the feedback I got since 6.5h today. |
| 12:21.15 | NaifuKishi | converted nkTools to revTools and put a wiki page online at riftui |
| 12:21.36 | NaifuKishi | also grabbed the description of nkDebug from my old blog and posted it on the riftui wiki |
| 12:23.02 | Ingshtrom | Nice, nice. |
| 12:23.46 | NaifuKishi | Now the items.xml is driving me mad. There are some russian entries missing from the russian items.xml file. I wonder if they didn't yet get ID. Anybody know this? |
| 12:23.50 | Ingshtrom | So are we using RiftEvolve ( the account ), or do you just want to scrap that? |
| 12:24.29 | NaifuKishi | For me it would be easier to use separate accounts and cross authorize the various people. This makes it easier to maintain authorization for people who lend a hand |
| 12:26.18 | Ingshtrom | Alright, that sounds good to me. |
| 12:26.35 | Ingshtrom | I am still stuck on that darn "private forum" issue that we have... |
| 12:26.56 | ZorbaTHut | naifu, news to me! I'm actually quite curious what's changed :V |
| 12:27.40 | ZorbaTHut | I believe items won't show up in the items.xml file until someone's discovered them. If the Russians haven't made it to endgame raid content yet, they may simply not be showing up yet. |
| 12:27.46 | NaifuKishi | it went down something like 75MB I believe |
| 12:28.13 | NaifuKishi | While you're at it could you ask the guys why there's no russian entry for the three random loot smoldering items of ID in the russian xml files :) |
| 12:35.44 | Ingshtrom | What is the command to open the window that shows all of the namespaces for this server? |
| 12:36.08 | Ingshtrom | nevermind |
| 12:46.06 | NaifuKishi | isn't strlower() supported? |
| 12:46.16 | Ingshtrom | Yes. |
| 12:46.23 | Imhothar | string.tolower() |
| 12:46.43 | Ingshtrom | Oh, I just used strlower() in revRaidLoot... |
| 12:46.56 | Imhothar | scratch that, just string.lower() |
| 12:47.21 | NaifuKishi | ah thanks got mislead by a lua documentation and was wondering why it threw erros |
| 12:47.41 | Imhothar | strlower is only present if some addon declares it |
| 12:47.56 | Ingshtrom | O.o |
| 12:47.58 | NaifuKishi | Ah dran notepad recognized it as being valid |
| 12:48.09 | Ingshtrom | I don't think I did that though.. Weird. |
| 12:48.17 | Imhothar | it's a common shortcut but not automatically present |
| 12:48.18 | Ingshtrom | I am checking it out now. |
| 12:49.25 | Imhothar | same for tinsert and all the other shortcuts |
| 12:52.08 | NaifuKishi | These Russian's are driving me crazy. Had to write some piece of code to be able to overwrite what Inspect.Ssytem.Language() returns to test their language. |
| 12:53.18 | Imhothar | only to find out your game cannot display cyrillic? |
| 12:53.54 | NaifuKishi | haha na nkAdvisor is throwing errors in Russian and I have no clue why only in Russian |
| 12:54.52 | Imhothar | well somewhere I heard the Russian servers/clients might lag behind in game version |
| 12:56.10 | Ingshtrom | Ok, just kidding. I didn't use strtolower. That would explain why I didn't get any errors :P |
| 12:56.51 | NaifuKishi | I think this is the case as some ID items are not present in the Russian xml file |
| 13:03.12 | NaifuKishi | ah damn lua doesn't like messing with russian signs. Tried a string.gsub and it works in all languages except Russian. They really owe me some Vodka |
| 13:03.30 | Ingshtrom | Haha. |
| 13:12.21 | NaifuKishi | anybody got their regex skills ready? looking for pattern to match 'beginning of line needs to be a word followed by space and a colon', e.g. 'Recipe :' |
| 13:13.11 | NaifuKishi | oh and it cannot use ^<[a-zA-Z]> as a-z and A-Z are not valid in cryllic |
| 13:16.50 | Ingshtrom | why not do something simple like /.* : .*/ |
| 13:17.18 | Ingshtrom | and the right modifier? I think that's what it's called |
| 13:19.15 | Ingshtrom | Maybe I am just having mouth diarrhea again... Ha. |
| 13:20.44 | Imhothar | ciryllic characters are multibyte and the lua functions don't support that, so you need to fiddle it out wihtout using ciryllic characters directly |
| 13:21.05 | Imhothar | make use of the fact that plain ASCII characters are always encoded with the same value |
| 13:22.14 | Imhothar | but then, relying on item names is bad practice, try to avoid it where ever you can |
| 13:22.30 | Imhothar | try to work with IDs as much as possible |
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| 13:51.12 | NaifuKishi | Zorba will Inspect.Unit.Detail() on the russian client still get you 'defiant' and 'guardian' as faction or some cyrillic variant? |
| 13:51.46 | Imhothar | that stuff is language-neutral |
| 13:53.28 | NaifuKishi | probably I'll never find it out without a russian client. Some errors and screenshots I got are way to strange to be anything other than client related |
| 13:54.10 | Imhothar | most stuff in the API is language-neutral and always gives the english values as written in the API description |
| 13:54.40 | Imhothar | obviou sexceptions are item, spell, NPC names etc |
| 13:55.25 | Imhothar | if the alliance field of the unit detail was localized it'd probably be "Defiant" and not "defiant" |
| 13:56.32 | NaifuKishi | just getting desperate to find the source of error. If it's running find in the original three languages German, French and English and getting errors in the Russian client what else could it be. Well I'll probably just say fuck it, cause it's eating way to many time already |
| 13:57.14 | Imhothar | well, assumptions about string formats is a bad thing to do and can cause bugs if not handled correctly |
| 14:23.16 | Ingshtrom | Hey Naifu, what's next on the list of things to do for your addons? |
| 14:27.14 | NaifuKishi | well I'm just finished the latest loot table updates and then ... I'll enjoy the game for the first time today. |
| 14:27.29 | NaifuKishi | Other than that I'll be working on nkThings to get the group and raid frames done |
| 14:27.49 | NaifuKishi | I'll have to move over the bug reports into the riftui bug tracker |
| 14:28.17 | Ingshtrom | Alright. I will probably just work on revCalendar until those bug reports are imported. :) |
| 14:29.07 | NaifuKishi | great :) |
| 14:29.27 | Ingshtrom | Is there anything else we need to do to get things rolling with Rift:Evolve()? |
| 14:29.41 | Ingshtrom | I can put a post in the official forums if you think we are ready? |
| 14:30.57 | Ingshtrom | I also put in a ticket to the RiftUI people to purge the DB of all RiftEvolve related rows. I don't want people to get confused by the two revRaidLoots currently on RiftUI |
| 14:38.39 | NaifuKishi | I'd say go ahead. I added a lot of references to all the updated addons about page. |
| 14:38.46 | NaifuKishi | Have to run for the moment. Talk to you later |
| 14:39.23 | Ingshtrom | kk. later. |
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| 17:15.38 | Ingshtrom | What is the best way to handle addon dependencies? It seems redundant to embed them all in your own addon... |
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| 18:34.41 | Ingshtrom | Sorry, my HydraIRC disconnected me, so if someone answered my question about addon dependencies, could you re-answer it please :P |
| 18:35.24 | Ingshtrom | If not, my question is: How should we work with dependencies? It seems redundant to embed all necessary dependencies. |
| 18:45.40 | Baanano | I think that, unless you're developing a module for another addon (when you shouldn't embed the main addon), you should embed required dependencies only, and never embed optional dependencies |
| 18:55.38 | Ingshtrom | Ok, but what about for efficiency's sake? My thought it that multiple addons ( not by the same creator ) use the same addon as a dependency. If both of those addons embed that same addon, it is now taking up more memory for the same thing--redundancy. It just seems that it would be more efficient to NOT embed them, but just include these dependencies in the package of the main addon. |
| 18:57.28 | Baanano | The addon system takes care of that and only loads a copy of each addon. In fact, if some addons embed different versions of the same addon, only the higher version will be loaded and used by all the dependant addons. |
| 19:10.23 | Ingshtrom | Well shoot! Awesome! |
| 19:10.27 | Ingshtrom | Thanks Baanano |
| 19:24.07 | seebs | I just embed basically everything I want. |
| 19:28.15 | Ingshtrom | Yeah, I am going to start doing that. |
| 19:28.56 | Ingshtrom | Could someone help me with setting up git repos on RiftUI plzzzz? |
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| 19:55.43 | seebs | I have to do it myself someday Real Soon so I learn how. |
| 19:55.53 | seebs | I got sucked into a different project for a bit. |
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| 20:01.40 | Ingshtrom | Say something in chat when you do it. I followed the tutorial and it is giving me a permission denied error. |
| 20:13.57 | Ingshtrom | What is the process of loading addons? Is this done every load-screen? Is there somewhere this is documented? |
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| 20:20.38 | Baanano | Do you want what really happens or would a guess be enough? |
| 20:34.09 | Ingshtrom | I would like to know. If not, at least when the local storage is loaded into the variable names? |
| 20:34.38 | Ingshtrom | local storage => the global vars declared in RiftAddon.toc |
| 20:42.12 | Baanano | do you mean the saved variables or the vars you declare inside the toc file? |
| 20:44.32 | Baanano | Saved variables are available when the Event.Addon.SavedVariables.Load.End fires with your addonID as parameter |
| 20:46.48 | Baanano | For variables you declare inside the toc file, I haven't ever used them, but they should be in the table each file of your addon receives as parameter. I think these need to start with a lowercase character, as those starting with an uppercase character are reserved for the addon system and we can't use them |
| 20:58.57 | Ingshtrom | Yeah I meant the saved variables. thanks man |
| 20:59.05 | Ingshtrom | or woman |
| 21:44.33 | ZorbaTHut | ing, loading happens when you enter the world with a character, and unloading happens when you exit the game, return to the character select screen, or /reloadui |
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