| 02:08.27 | ZorbaTHut | you can't get info on what party someone is in unless they're in a party with you |
| 02:42.05 | ingshtrom | Yeah that is what I am trying to do. I think I am just going to use SafesRaidManager library |
| 02:46.07 | ingshtrom | I can't seem to find Zorba'sBuffBars... are there any other addons that are commented well so as to explain usage examples to a new developer? |
| 02:46.43 | ingshtrom | nvm. just found your ZorbaTHut |
| 03:18.46 | seebs | We must get Lua 5.2 functionality, xpcall() takes additional args there! |
| 03:22.26 | ingshtrom | Is there a difference between using ":" or "." to access table properties? |
| 03:22.52 | seebs | Yes. |
| 03:23.08 | ingshtrom | Could you explain, or direct me somewhere plz? |
| 03:23.11 | seebs | x:y(...) is precisely equivalent to x.y(x, ...) |
| 03:23.25 | seebs | and as a declaration, x:y(...) is precisely equivalent to x.y(self, ...) |
| 03:23.29 | seebs | It's just syntactic sugar. |
| 03:23.51 | seebs | It's there for "when you call your own methods, pass yourself as an argument so they know what they're working on". |
| 03:24.14 | ingshtrom | so basically you don't have to explicitly tell yourself who you are |
| 03:24.18 | ingshtrom | ha |
| 03:25.14 | ingshtrom | so if I had x:y(...), how would I reference myself within the function? |
| 03:25.22 | ingshtrom | is it still just self? |
| 03:33.58 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 03:34.11 | seebs | x:y(a, b) and x.y(self, a, b) are identical declarations. |
| 03:40.44 | ingshtrom | Ok. That's what I thought, but I just wanted to be sure. |
| 03:40.57 | ingshtrom | Thanks again @seebs! |
| 03:56.55 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, it's not too tough to write your own xpcall that takes additional args. and I really wouldn't worry too much about the overhead of closures |
| 03:57.18 | seebs | It's not mostly the overhead, just the convenience/inconvenience, especially when they end up nested for some reason. |
| 03:58.59 | seebs | See my example with Utility.Dispatch in a callback, for instance. :P |
| 03:59.13 | ZorbaTHut | *nod* yeah, sometimes it can be a little iffy. I really wish ... could go through closures |
| 03:59.41 | seebs | Yeah, that would help a lot. |
| 04:01.13 | ZorbaTHut | note that I'm basically going to expose all Lua 5.2 functionality that LuaJIT supports, but that may not be a lot - the LuaJIT author isn't a huge fan of 5.2 |
| 04:02.11 | seebs | And what Lua totally needs is actual semantic forks. :P |
| 04:02.56 | ZorbaTHut | yeah :P |
| 04:03.08 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately we're already in a slightly weird position because I needed a 5.2 feature to make the event system work |
| 04:03.28 | ZorbaTHut | luckily it's not a complicated feature |
| 04:04.18 | seebs | I am annoyed, this iPad is not fast enough. And I have weeeird performance problems on Android now. |
| 04:04.33 | seebs | I'm doing some mobile dev using Corona, largely because I am now fond of Lua. It's pretty cool, but quirky in spots. |
| 04:05.26 | ZorbaTHut | I'm always a bit concerned about full-fledged dev environments. I've realized that what bugs me about abstraction layers and APIs is that they're usually really obsessed with making the easy parts easier |
| 04:05.40 | ZorbaTHut | but in the process, they often leave the difficult things completely impossible |
| 04:05.43 | ZorbaTHut | which is not exactly helpful |
| 04:05.55 | ZorbaTHut | admittedly, it's a tough process to avoid doing that. |
| 04:06.16 | ZorbaTHut | (anyway afk again movie) |
| 04:06.19 | seebs | Yeah. Corona's... well, it's got some definite weak spots, but it's got a lot of stuff basically okay. |
| 04:06.21 | seebs | Have fun! |
| 04:20.45 | ingshtrom | Are you coding on your iPad seebs? |
| 04:20.59 | seebs | Some, yeah. Well, for it. |
| 04:21.26 | ingshtrom | Ah. |
| 04:21.57 | ingshtrom | I want to get an Android tablet at some point and use that for coding while I travel. |
| 04:22.37 | seebs | Transformer might work, except I don't know of much for useful tools for actually using them as coding platforms. |
| 04:23.34 | ingshtrom | Well that is a way off for me, since I will be moving soon after I graduate. Money is always scarce without a job. ha. |
| 04:24.29 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 04:42.56 | ingshtrom | when using x:y(...), if I have something like self.window.SetVisible(false), then the self refers to x, right? |
| 04:43.11 | ingshtrom | or is it referring to the function |
| 04:43.55 | ingshtrom | I may just drop the OO principles from my code until I understand Lua better... |
| 04:45.39 | seebs | self.window:SetVisible(false) is the same as self.window.SetVisible(window, false) |
| 04:45.47 | seebs | Er, self.window, false |
| 04:45.53 | seebs | It's the thing that the function is a member of. |
| 04:47.05 | ingshtrom | alright. that's what I thought, but for some reason when I load my addon (just a window with some buttons), it shows up right away |
| 04:47.31 | ingshtrom | even though I have everything SetVisible(false) |
| 04:48.12 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 05:22.08 | arton | mmhmm |
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