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| 04:49.44 | seebs | Idle curiousity, anyone know of general tools for managing settings in addons? I'm thinking about writing a one of these if no one has one yet. |
| 05:36.14 | seebs | I would so not mind if Trion would actually do something about the "cuss randomly at passers-by" guy who hangs out in Sanctum most nights. |
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| 13:36.44 | Mere_ | dOxxx: just the person I need to harass :) |
| 13:37.07 | dOxxx | Mere_: hey... :) |
| 13:37.34 | Mere_ | was playing with you scrollview control, and for reasons I can't work out it blows up on me :) |
| 13:37.52 | Mere_ | it seems that some part of resizing it gets a negative height... |
| 13:38.51 | dOxxx | so, just to make sure you've got the basics right: you've created the scrollview, sized it, created the content frame without sizing that and then set that as the content of the scrollview? |
| 13:39.35 | Mere_ | I wish it was that simple :) |
| 13:39.41 | Mere_ | I've a tabbed window |
| 13:39.57 | Mere_ | I create the UI for that tab, part of that tab UI includes a scrolled area |
| 13:40.14 | Mere_ | I've created that scrolled area as a frame, stuck some stuff in the frame, and set the height of that frame. |
| 13:40.25 | Mere_ | that scrolled frame is then set as the contents of the scroll view |
| 13:40.38 | Mere_ | the scroll view is pinned topLEFT and BOTTOMRIGHT to things in the tab frame |
| 13:41.18 | dOxxx | sounds right so far |
| 13:41.40 | Mere_ | looking at it, the sizing is odd, eg: height, top, bottom, starts as 318,77,395, then during some resize it ends up as -42, 77, 35 |
| 13:42.01 | dOxxx | sizing of what? |
| 13:42.03 | Mere_ | it seems that when the addtab for the tab frame is done, that reparents the tab frame, and does a setallpoints on it |
| 13:42.32 | dOxxx | yes |
| 13:42.51 | Mere_ | that setall points seems to generates the -42,77,35 |
| 13:43.03 | dOxxx | hmm... |
| 13:43.14 | Mere_ | I need to make you a sane text case, as I'm struggling to describe the problem |
| 13:44.06 | Mere_ | for now if I just protect against -height windows it seems ok, but that feels like a sticky plaster over a problem |
| 13:44.17 | dOxxx | I'm trying to setup something here in my test addon |
| 13:44.45 | dOxxx | so it's a tabview with a tab that contains a scrollview as its content frame, and the scrollview's content frame is a normal Frame with some stuff in it? |
| 13:45.34 | Mere_ | tabview->tab->tab frame (label, slider, scrollview -> contentframe->(lots of labels and scrollers)) |
| 13:45.55 | Mere_ | I means sliders in the contentframe |
| 13:46.18 | dOxxx | k |
| 13:46.29 | Mere_ | the scrollview is then attached bottomright to the tab frame, and the top left is attached to the bottomleft of the label |
| 13:46.37 | dOxxx | ok |
| 13:46.41 | Mere_ | sorry this is kinda hard to describe |
| 13:46.53 | dOxxx | no it's fine, I understand the layout |
| 13:52.42 | Mere_ | screenshot: https://citrix.sharefile.com/d/s29dc79908804de99 |
| 13:52.55 | Mere_ | (if it helps :) |
| 13:54.07 | dOxxx | what does it look like when it bugs out? |
| 13:54.28 | Mere_ | looks the same, just with an error trace in the console |
| 13:55.00 | dOxxx | ah |
| 13:55.26 | Mere_ | actually it might not, I think I throw an error from the handler and it looks the same, let me retest without my tweak |
| 13:57.19 | Mere_ | ah it completely fails to draw |
| 13:57.26 | Mere_ | so the UI doesn't display at all |
| 13:57.57 | Mere_ | as the error throws all the way up through the code to build the ui, so the UI build fails |
| 14:01.15 | dOxxx | ok |
| 14:02.57 | Mere_ | Problem is I don't know if it's just the complexity of the UI I'm building... |
| 14:03.21 | Mere_ | I need to revist how I build the UI so that I build the tabs as they get clicked on, as there's a noticeable lag to bring up the config ui |
| 14:04.08 | dOxxx | you could do that when the addon loads |
| 14:04.23 | dOxxx | so that bringing up the config ui is just a SetVisible(true) |
| 14:04.50 | Mere_ | problem with that it's taking 2-3s to build the UI right now |
| 14:04.56 | dOxxx | hmm |
| 14:05.09 | Mere_ | I can actually tell the addons that build ui ready to display, they slow down reloadui ;) |
| 14:05.18 | dOxxx | heh |
| 14:05.54 | Mere_ | I actually have done one of the tabs to hook the setvisible on the frame I give to teh tabview |
| 14:05.57 | dOxxx | build the UI once when it's first displayed and then keep it so you don't have to rebuild again |
| 14:05.59 | Mere_ | and so it builds when you click on it |
| 14:06.28 | Mere_ | right now I can /reloadui and it takes 2-3s total |
| 14:06.40 | Mere_ | building the config ui is about 6s |
| 14:06.54 | dOxxx | anyway, I think I have a test case that approximates what you're doing and I don't get any error. my scrollview's drag tab is a funny little line instead of a nice button though so something is weird... |
| 14:08.36 | Mere_ | yeah, I've seen some odd things with the scrollview. in the past I fixed it by setting a size on the frame it's placed into |
| 14:09.11 | Mere_ | it's quite easy to end up building a tab frame, and just throwig stuff into it, but I think a few things like to have more specific heights/widths than you're top left is here, your width is this etc |
| 14:09.44 | dOxxx | what's the actual error message that you get? |
| 14:10.08 | Mere_ | I get setthickness erroring with a -45.xxx |
| 14:10.13 | dOxxx | yes! I just got that |
| 14:10.22 | dOxxx | ok... |
| 14:10.58 | Mere_ | it's almost like the ui worked out the new top position for the frame, but the bottom is completely wrong |
| 14:12.32 | Mere_ | I did wonder if it's some kind of strange recursion, the scrollview is resized, that then triggers the internal frame to resize, that then calls back to the scrollview that it's been resized... |
| 14:12.43 | dOxxx | yeah... try this: Add the tab content frame to the tabview as soon as you create it |
| 14:12.51 | dOxxx | then go about setting up the stuff in the tab content frame |
| 14:13.57 | dOxxx | the problem is because a new Frame is 0 height, so if you inset your scrollview inside so that it's a bit smaller, then scrollview's height becomes negative |
| 14:14.34 | Mere_ | hmm, I actually was setting a height on the tab frame |
| 14:14.41 | Mere_ | as I've hit something like that before |
| 14:14.46 | dOxxx | hmm |
| 14:15.39 | dOxxx | well, what I'll do is make sure that I use a minimum thickness for the scrollbar's thickness |
| 14:16.19 | Mere_ | ah, looks like it's not just that tab, it's the parent tabs as well, as I've tabs within tabs |
| 14:19.05 | Mere_ | but that does appear to fix the issue |
| 14:19.41 | Mere_ | passing the tabwidget into the frame creation, so it create the tab frame and attaches it to the tabs widget straight away |
| 14:20.29 | dOxxx | I think I also need to make my scrollview handle being resized itself |
| 14:20.48 | dOxxx | so that it will do the recalculations as if the content resized |
| 14:21.37 | Mere_ | it's a wierd one, as the content can change and the thing holding it can also change size |
| 14:21.47 | dOxxx | yeah |
| 14:24.22 | Mere_ | I guess it doesn't help that there's so many ways to glue things together :) |
| 14:25.17 | dOxxx | ok... so handling my scrollview being resized improves the situation where the scrollview is initially sized wrong. |
| 14:25.55 | dOxxx | when the scrollview is resized after its content is set, it's now able to recalculate it's stuff correctly and render correctly |
| 14:26.36 | dOxxx | and I'm enforcing a minimum scrollbar drag button thickness |
| 14:33.10 | Mere_ | sounds good :) |
| 14:42.34 | dOxxx | ok so I've pushed a new version 1.9.4 |
| 14:42.54 | Mere_ | awesome, I'll grab it for my next release :) |
| 14:43.31 | dOxxx | I've also started using the riftui git btw :) |
| 14:44.11 | Mere_ | handy :) |
| 14:44.12 | dOxxx | makes releasing a lot easier |
| 14:44.31 | Mere_ | I found that |
| 14:44.39 | Mere_ | also lots of history as well :) |
| 14:45.49 | dOxxx | well I had been using bzr locally |
| 14:45.58 | dOxxx | but IDEA's integration with bzr is crap |
| 14:46.10 | dOxxx | so I converted the bzr repo to git, which IDEA has much better support for |
| 14:46.28 | Mere_ | idea? |
| 14:46.59 | dOxxx | IntelliJ IDEA, it's a Java-based IDE that can have custom language plugins loaded |
| 14:47.10 | dOxxx | one of which is for Lua, written by Sylvanaar of Wowace fame |
| 14:49.28 | Mere_ | hmm, I might have to take a look |
| 14:49.38 | Mere_ | notepad ++ isn't the best in the world |
| 14:49.42 | dOxxx | :) |
| 15:24.47 | Mere_ | dOxxxx: did you get the rift api stuff to work with idea? |
| 15:45.10 | dOxxx | Mere_: err... not really. |
| 15:45.40 | dOxxx | I think Rift's API doesn't lend itself to the plugin's style of API definition |
| 15:45.49 | Mere_ | yeah, I did wonder |
| 15:46.20 | dOxxx | but at least I get syntax highlighting and the editor shortcuts I'm used to :) |
| 15:47.02 | dOxxx | and I like the Live Templates |
| 16:44.51 | Mere_ | dOxxx something I meant to mention (but keep forgetting) the docs for simplewidget say that simplecheckbox supports the event: CheckboxChanged rather than CheckboxChange (no d) |
| 16:56.09 | dOxxx | thanks I'll fix that |
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| 18:49.23 | seebs | Ahh, forums. |
| 18:49.24 | seebs | "I've been playing Rift now over a year and since the beginning it has just not been fun for me at all." |
| 18:49.50 | Mere_ | so why play for a year? |
| 18:49.55 | seebs | THAT WAS MY QUESTION. |
| 18:50.05 | Mere_ | if you don't enjoy something why do it... |
| 18:57.26 | Mere_ | ouch, that's kinda scary, I've written 232kb of code for these unit frames... |
| 18:57.49 | Mere_ | I just don't get how it ended up so big... |
| 18:58.06 | Mere_ | although I can blame most of it on the UI code :) |
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| 20:36.34 | Mere_ | hmm, does reloadui not release frames? |
| 20:37.01 | Mere_ | something I've noticed before, and just looking at it again, the longer I've rift open for, the slower ui.CreateFrame becomes |
| 20:37.09 | Mere_ | eg lots of reloads, or changing characters... |
| 21:45.29 | seebs | Huh! |
| 21:45.50 | seebs | That is interesting, and possible I guess, although I would have thought it'd clean up if it could. |
| 21:46.08 | seebs | Because if you restart the lua engine, you know that there are no stale references lying around. |
| 21:46.37 | Imhothar | I'd bet the frames itself are no Lua objects |
| 21:51.40 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, I knew a guy who got into the beta early and complained about it constantly |
| 21:51.48 | ZorbaTHut | then the game was released, and he bought it, and kept complaining about how awful it was |
| 21:51.53 | ZorbaTHut | I believe he's still playing and still hates it. |
| 21:52.00 | ZorbaTHut | I'll admit I'm confused, but, hey, $15/mo |
| 21:52.20 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 21:52.45 | seebs | I have finally gotten irritated enough about persistent trolls to PM Scott Hartsman in the hopes that he will look at this and maybe nudge the GMs. |
| 21:53.24 | seebs | I am fine with a game where sometimes people say "oh, fuck, my mistake" or something like that. I am less fine with a game where someone hangs around in Sanctum saying "fuck you i could care lesst" and the like for hours on end. |
| 22:22.20 | dOxxx | ZorbaTHut: Mere was asking earlier, but does reloadui not release frames? They noticed that over many reloadui's, UI.CreateFrame gets slower. |
| 22:26.30 | dOxxx | in other news, it's remarkably hard to make a widget that looks like the standard Rift dropdown :P |
| 22:26.45 | dOxxx | but I've got something that's close |
| 22:33.27 | seebs | Ugh. I have been SO hoping we get one of those in the base API. |
| 22:33.34 | seebs | I looked at it and decided not to. |
| 22:34.28 | dOxxx | seebs: Well you're welcome to have a look at mine and see if you like it. Not released yet, but you can get it from git://git.riftui.com/rift-LibSimpleWidgets-9.git |
| 22:35.12 | seebs | I would love a native one because I sort of want to do LibAddonSettings which lets addons register an arbitrary set of checkboxes, text values, numeric values, and so on that they want to let users configure. |
| 22:35.30 | seebs | And then the addon could provide a single configuration window with a list of supported addons. |
| 22:36.05 | dOxxx | yeah... although I have seen some pretty funky config windows |
| 22:36.12 | dOxxx | tabs within tabs :D |
| 22:36.35 | seebs | Well, some things might be Too Hard. Although hmm. You know, it might make sense to provide a tool for "or you can fill in a frame, here, however you want". |
| 22:36.44 | dOxxx | yah |
| 22:37.23 | dOxxx | my LSW has Layout function which takes a Ace-like config table and lays out widgets... |
| 22:37.27 | seebs | Too many projects! |
| 22:37.42 | seebs | In particular, I'm sorta messing with doing iOS dev using Lua since there's a toolkit for that that looks pretty nice. |
| 22:37.49 | dOxxx | o.O |
| 22:38.58 | seebs | I like Lua. I program in it a lot. I've been writing myself some homebrew dev tools for Legend of Grimrock's console, too. :) |
| 22:39.41 | seebs | And it occurred to me that I have lots of game ideas, and I like writing little games and playing them. And wouldn't it be cool if I could do that without all the extra low-level work, which I mostly find frustrating. |