| 00:10.36 | seebs | Imhothar: They've said they have issues right now. I retried after a 3142 and it patched okay. |
| 00:10.52 | seebs | I am currently toying with the idea of experimenting with dual-boxing. Because I have two accounts, and I hate people. |
| 00:11.37 | seebs | It's easier in City, where you can just ctrl-click something useful on a second character, turn on /follow, and be noticably better off. |
| 00:12.15 | Imhothar | the patched worked now after clicking away the 3412 for about an hour |
| 00:19.57 | Imhothar | man... it's really too much to expect people to read the addon description... |
| 00:24.14 | seebs | heh |
| 00:32.36 | ZorbaBeta | I got hit by #3142 too, I wanted to post the dang PTS notes :V |
| 00:35.13 | Imhothar | no one can escape the 3142 |
| 00:42.38 | Imhothar | do you know whtat code stands for? |
| 00:51.55 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know what the internal meaning of the code is, but I know what the error is that causes it. But I can't tell you. We're definitely aware of it and working on it though :D |
| 00:54.02 | seebs | It is sort of scary to me that you can't tell us. |
| 00:54.24 | seebs | "Error 3142: Anyone who logs in and types /make_me_a_gm is permanently given GM powers, account-wide. There is no way to reverse this." |
| 00:54.59 | Imhothar | well, error #3142 is still better than "An unknown error has occurred" |
| 00:55.38 | Imhothar | with Ok and Cancel buttons |
| 00:55.41 | seebs | I am currently miffed at Corel Painter for an "insufficient memory" error. Why not tell me how much I need? I might be able to arrange it, and if the number's really ludicrous, at least I know it's not fixable. |
| 00:57.07 | Imhothar | Isn't that a standard windows error message? |
| 00:57.37 | seebs | I hope not, given that I'm running on a Mac. :P |
| 00:57.48 | Imhothar | who knows |
| 00:58.16 | Imhothar | MS sabotage molesat Apple |
| 00:58.51 | Vexx | tee hee my saved variables look like this: RiftReputation_playerdata = "x½+**ÈI¬L-JI,I,N,KU°U?æât¯¬́29SòËó\ |
| 00:58.52 | Vexx | R??SóJ¤\"\6:P¡âäü¢T?@^jiIQb\14¨2?(ªÊÒ\\î¢ÔäÌԲÔ\20$a?j,2¥\5H?? ÁÒ\2?UP\1?-zæ?F dl`jbnbÄÅY\11T\16?ZQQA½?\12éì!\3t\15\25 zÈ\16è\3®Z.\0?û\1273" good luck editing your votes now! |
| 00:59.28 | Imhothar | all i need is compile lua.exe :p |
| 00:59.40 | Vexx | shh normal people don't know that |
| 00:59.43 | seebs | Eh, it's not hard to bypass stuff like that. |
| 00:59.53 | seebs | But perhaps hard enough to discourage casual abuse. |
| 01:00.02 | Vexx | yea thats mostly the point |
| 01:01.02 | Imhothar | true, but any skilled Lua coder will just ctrl+f the addon for RiftReputation_playerdata and BäM there it is |
| 01:02.02 | Imhothar | I have currently something in the works that might solve the "edit saved variables" issue |
| 01:02.31 | Vexx | yea but the table that actually has the data in it isn't saved and RiftReputation_playerdata only points to zlib.deflate() |
| 01:02.33 | Imhothar | but it has still some weaknesses |
| 01:03.19 | Imhothar | it's in the saving code |
| 01:03.56 | Imhothar | the point is, you got to access RiftReputation_playerdata SOMEWHERE |
| 01:04.32 | Imhothar | once those lines are found the rest is easy going |
| 01:05.41 | Imhothar | better than nothing, that's true |
| 01:05.51 | Vexx | well i'm not saying its impossible but there is no place where they can just SEE the data laying around like before, RiftReputation_playerdata isn't even filled with anything untill the Event.Addon.Savedvariables.Save.Begin is called |
| 01:06.09 | Vexx | they'd have to make their own addon to zlib.inflate() it |
| 01:06.10 | Imhothar | ok then |
| 01:06.23 | Imhothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.06 | Imhothar | I think creating an addon to hijack RR is the attacker's smallest problem |
| 01:07.50 | seebs | It's pretty easy to just copy yours and modify it. :) |
| 01:08.08 | seebs | And before you start thinking down the lines of preventing that, the addon policy prohibits obfuscation. |
| 01:08.27 | Vexx | yea i know |
| 01:08.52 | Imhothar | Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're doing it wrong. simply trying to show that for the right people it's a piece of cake |
| 01:09.41 | Vexx | if people REALLY want to they can modify the code and generate whatever votes they want for themselves. BUT since the reciever of the votes is the one who decides what they are worth, then they are still limited to a vote weight of 3 |
| 01:10.23 | Imhothar | and given the sheer mass of WoW addon developers I'd assume the number of people who are proficient in Lua is quite big |
| 01:10.45 | Imhothar | time will tell |
| 01:10.57 | Imhothar | unless you have mathematical proofs of your algorithm :p |
| 01:11.09 | seebs | I think I am going to reorganize my desk a bit to set up... dual-boxing! |
| 01:11.16 | seebs | Because that sounds fun. |
| 01:11.23 | Vexx | there really isn't much i can do to stop someone who REALLY hates someone that bad, but as long as the casual observer/ lua dabbler can't just easily break the system then i think it will be fine |
| 01:11.30 | Imhothar | remote desktop > desk rearrangement |
| 01:11.54 | Imhothar | or a mirror |
| 01:11.58 | seebs | One of the machines is a laptop. I want its screen next to the one I'm using for the main one. |
| 01:12.06 | Imhothar | like a mac screen for example |
| 01:13.09 | Imhothar | Vexx is your addon up in any repository where others could have alook at it? |
| 01:13.38 | seebs | This may be harder than I thought. My setup is way too crowded. |
| 01:13.56 | Vexx | not yet, its still a mess, once i get the system down and secure, then my next task is the UI, then i'll put it up for on a repository for final touches |
| 01:14.20 | Imhothar | got a private repository at least? |
| 01:14.33 | Vexx | not yet, suggest any in particular? |
| 01:14.39 | Imhothar | git |
| 01:14.48 | Imhothar | no need for a server, local commits |
| 01:15.04 | Imhothar | once you have a repository on the web you can just push it to the cloud |
| 01:15.33 | Imhothar | they say hg is similar, but I haven't used that yet |
| 01:15.44 | Imhothar | for svn you need a central server |
| 01:15.47 | seebs | git is the best thing ever |
| 01:15.53 | Imhothar | and svn is slooooow |
| 01:16.03 | seebs | git is like suddenly it didn't suck to track code. |
| 01:16.12 | Imhothar | both RiftUI and Curseforge have git support |
| 01:16.27 | seebs | RiftUI added theirs literally the DAY after I created a bunch of github repos. |
| 01:16.52 | Imhothar | can't say anything about RiftUI though as I'm using Curseforge |
| 01:17.03 | Vexx | hmm alright installed it, i'll see if i can get it set up |
| 01:17.35 | Imhothar | SmartGit is a nice client when you aren't in the mood of using the console or paying money |
| 01:18.03 | Imhothar | free for non-commerical use |
| 01:19.52 | Vexx | so i opened up git GUI and created a new repository with my addons folder as the repository |
| 01:20.03 | Vexx | i see my files in there, is that what i use to edit them now? |
| 01:20.41 | Vexx | or they will just update whenever i save in my normal editor |
| 01:22.11 | Imhothar | hmm if you never worked with git before I suggest reading the git book online so you get the basics http://book.git-scm.com/ |
| 01:22.17 | Vexx | k |
| 01:22.28 | Imhothar | git is just the versioning system, you can edit the files whichever way you like |
| 01:23.22 | Imhothar | the most important commands are stage, commit and later once you have a web repo pull and push |
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| 03:31.43 | seebs | grr |
| 03:31.55 | seebs | Why do people who make TVs go to so much extra work to make them unusable as computer displays? |
| 04:06.25 | Vexx | inspect.shard() gives the players shard, is there any way to find the targets shard? so i can make it so that people can't rate people from other shards in warfronts or LFG? |
| 04:16.55 | seebs | Maybe buried in inspect.unit.detail? If not, hmm. I assum there's some way to tell, and/or to do things like send messages. |
| 04:17.03 | seebs | One question: Why not let them store a rating for that shard? |
| 04:18.15 | Vexx | well it looks like there's no way to tell another players shard so it would end up possibly getting confused with players on your shard |
| 04:18.52 | seebs | If there's no way to tell that, that seems like it'd be a bug. |
| 04:19.02 | Vexx | also i just realized that Inspect.Unit.Player("Vexx") doesn't work, has to be a unitid |
| 04:19.17 | seebs | Yeah, or a specifier like "target". Hmm. |
| 04:19.18 | Vexx | so i have no clue how to get a players unitid just by their name |
| 04:19.26 | seebs | You can't, in general. |
| 04:19.48 | seebs | Wow, this is... trippy. I set my macbook air up with a better display, and it's AMAZING how much better that looks than the built-in display. |
| 04:19.59 | Vexx | well thats fine, i'm gonna take out the ability to vote for people by name probably anyways, its mostly for me |
| 04:20.11 | Vexx | gotta cut back somewhere to get it that thin/light |
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| 16:17.09 | Vexx | anyone here know how to use zlib.BEST_SPEED? |
| 16:19.07 | Vexx | oh found it nvm |
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| 17:49.58 | Mere | anyone know if it's possible to force saved vairables to be resaved? |
| 17:50.25 | Mere | or if they get saved on a Disconnect? |
| 17:50.29 | Imhothar | nope, only happens on reloadui |
| 17:50.36 | Imhothar | or logout |
| 17:50.41 | Mere | not disconnect? |
| 17:50.55 | Imhothar | I'd assume disconnect = logout |
| 17:51.03 | Imhothar | when the UI is unloaded |
| 17:51.16 | Imhothar | my professional guesstimate |
| 17:51.17 | Mere | just thinking about how I might cope with a disconnect mid-combat, and on relog if I can get secure frames displayed before I'm in combat... |
| 17:51.42 | Mere | IE you dc, login and your healnig frames are gone, cos you're in combat, that's not so helpful... |
| 17:51.57 | Imhothar | yeah |
| 17:52.02 | Mere | I know in wow, vuhdo stores some config in a macro, and uses that |
| 17:52.05 | Imhothar | have you tried it? |
| 17:52.57 | Mere | no not yet, kind of hard to test really, as you dc while in combat, although I guess if it's something low enough level it'll not kill you... |
| 17:53.50 | Mere | but I'm guessing if you dc, the mob attacking you resets and goes does something else |
| 17:54.33 | Mere | actually I guess I can work out if a dc does a ui save |
| 17:56.42 | Imhothar | you stay in the world for 20 seconds |
| 17:57.09 | Imhothar | i don't think dc has any influence on the addon system |
| 17:57.56 | Mere | it's more that if it does save, then I can save current group member info, and hopefully reload it before being secured... |
| 17:59.30 | Mere | and create the secure frames, even if they're blank till player info gets transmitted from the server to repopulate details (as they can be updated in combat, but getting the click healing setup is an out of combat thing) |
| 17:59.46 | Imhothar | I'd be surprised if the environment isn't secured right after loading the addon environment |
| 18:00.06 | Mere | ZorbaBeta: if you login and your group/raid is in combat, when does the addon env get secured? |
| 18:00.28 | Imhothar | you know, I'd just gather some friends an /eventlog it |
| 18:00.42 | Mere | right network cable pulled on my rift machine :) |
| 18:00.55 | Mere | hard to eventlog logging into the game :) |
| 18:01.03 | Mere | (I think) |
| 18:01.15 | Imhothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.29 | Imhothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.38 | Imhothar | but the eventlog |
| 18:01.40 | Imhothar | hmm |
| 18:01.46 | Mere | does it? |
| 18:01.51 | Imhothar | yes |
| 18:02.11 | Imhothar | you coudl change the eventlog addon to start logging immediately instead of waiting for the slash command |
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| 18:03.47 | Imhothar | instead of pulling the cable you could just logout and log back in while the group is still in combat |
| 18:04.11 | Mere | well dc did save things |
| 18:04.16 | Mere | which is good to know |
| 18:04.57 | Imhothar | everything else would be very disappointing |
| 18:05.55 | Mere | indeed, but I like to check these things |
| 18:06.17 | Mere | writing an implementation that assumed that it worked one way, and it didn't would be bad... |
| 18:16.24 | Mere | certainly looks like it might be possible to prime some kind of user cache before frames are secured, and put up fake frames and sort it out when out of combat |
| 18:17.10 | Imhothar | found out the event sequence? |
| 18:17.32 | Mere | the secure.enter call is a bit after you logon |
| 18:17.45 | Mere | but not always before you've got all the info for all the playesr |
| 18:18.30 | Imhothar | hmm then I'd keep the group info in a "character" saved variable |
| 18:19.04 | Mere | yes,that's what I'm thinking |
| 18:19.29 | Imhothar | that's what I'm doing for ImhoBags to get around Event.Item.Slot not firing after /reloadui |
| 18:20.10 | Mere | so unitId, group spec, and name should be all that's needed |
| 18:20.55 | Mere | I can build empty frames from that, and fill in the other details as the server sends them, but most importantly I can setup the secure frames in the right locations |
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| 20:28.51 | seebs | Imhothar, consider filing the legs of your tables or loosening the bolts. That should weaken them. |
| 20:29.35 | Imhothar | i guess |
| 20:30.23 | starlon | lol |
| 20:31.23 | starlon | when you live where I live, then you see tractors and other big vehicles running through your front lawn. |
| 20:32.02 | starlon | Sometimes you see crop dusters flying over your house. |
| 20:32.20 | starlon | No telling what we breathe in. |
| 20:32.50 | starlon | ~hug |
| 20:32.50 | purl | ACTION hugs starlon |
| 20:32.56 | starlon | beams with joy. |
| 20:57.49 | Imhothar | Hey I get messages from Vexxx |
| 20:58.08 | Imhothar | binary spam from rrep |
| 20:59.16 | Imhothar | you know, I originally wanted to add compress/uncompress to MessageViewer |
| 20:59.28 | Imhothar | the button is there, but hidden |
| 21:21.55 | seebs | Bug report: "Split Personality changes me from a Cake Lady to a Cake Lord. Please fix this before someone writes fanfic." |
| 21:29.18 | Imhothar | hm wonder whether I should give each item window it's own item scale or just make it global for all |
| 22:07.21 | Mere | whichever you pick someone will want the other one :) |
| 22:09.30 | Mere | has anyone localized an addon, are there any guides out there? had someone ask me for about donig french.... |
| 22:15.44 | Imhothar | what I do is have one file per language with all the strings in there in a table and put this at the beginning |
| 22:15.44 | Imhothar | if(Inspect.System.Language() ~= "French") then return end |
| 22:16.23 | Imhothar | that skips the remaining file |
| 22:17.03 | Imhothar | that combined with the Curse localization system is about the best thing you can do |
| 22:19.15 | Imhothar | but you don't really need Curse to do it |
| 22:19.28 | Imhothar | Curse just makes it easier to have multiple people work on translations |
| 22:22.02 | Mere | hmm, I'm not using curse right now for packages |
| 22:22.44 | Imhothar | you don't need Curse to do proper localization, svn/git will do just fine |
| 22:23.26 | Mere | yeah, I'm just wondering if there's a sane way to do it. |
| 22:23.52 | Imhothar | the trick is to have a table for storing all the localized strings but only load the strings that are needed for the current locale |
| 22:24.12 | Imhothar | e.g. I put all UI strings in a table called L |
| 22:24.13 | Mere | part of me wondered about using a class thing, so that the non-english inherit the english, so that any missing translations end up in english... |
| 22:24.35 | Mere | or is this just a case of being careful to add any english ones to the non-english files? |
| 22:24.40 | Imhothar | then L.someString is loaded either with the english, french, german or whatever string |
| 22:24.59 | Imhothar | don't overcomplicate it |
| 22:25.37 | Imhothar | hmm how to explain it |
| 22:25.53 | Imhothar | you get one file for the english client with all the UI strings |
| 22:26.13 | Imhothar | first line says if L then return end |
| 22:26.15 | Mere | I understand it's a file per language |
| 22:26.34 | Mere | it's more making sure that the non-english have a default for anything not translated |
| 22:26.52 | Imhothar | then the strings L = { string1 = ..., strings2 = ... } |
| 22:27.04 | Imhothar | the english fil is loaded last |
| 22:27.38 | Imhothar | oh well we have just 5 languages, so copy/paste of the untranslated stuff is not sooo much work |
| 22:27.45 | Mere | true |
| 22:28.11 | Imhothar | that's actually what's nice about Curse, you can tell it to put the english strings where no translation is present |
| 22:28.16 | Mere | tbh I'm not sure I'm goig to worry about it too much right now, but just pondering putting a hook in, instead of adding strings, so that it does make it possible eventually |
| 22:28.41 | Imhothar | well, as a rule of thumb never put strings displayed in the UI in the source code |
| 22:28.52 | Imhothar | never assume the order of words |
| 22:28.59 | Imhothar | never assume a number comes after a word etc |
| 22:29.10 | Imhothar | always use format strings when displaying localized data |
| 22:29.24 | Mere | I know ;) |
| 22:29.37 | Mere | just never localized lua or addons before :) |
| 22:29.40 | Imhothar | formatn in LibString makes it possible to shuffle the order of format arguments |
| 22:29.53 | Imhothar | like "%2s %1i" |
| 22:30.07 | Mere | was about to say, someone did a library that does something more .net like and allows positional args |
| 22:30.39 | Imhothar | well .net has a strange { } format |
| 22:30.49 | Imhothar | Ms reinventing the wheel again |
| 22:31.22 | Imhothar | LibString is on RiftUI so you can keep away from the big enemy ;) |
| 22:31.46 | Mere | lol, not sure what the hate is for curs |
| 22:31.49 | Mere | curse* |
| 22:31.57 | Imhothar | ye, they have ads |
| 22:32.03 | Imhothar | so they can survive |
| 22:32.11 | Imhothar | and Curseforge doesn't even have any |
| 22:32.46 | Imhothar | well I find the packager extremely helpful |
| 22:33.04 | Imhothar | the localization system saves tons of work |
| 22:33.17 | Imhothar | oh and you can set it up to pull the code from external repositories |
| 22:33.31 | Imhothar | so you could keep working in your RiftUI git and just tell Curse to package that |
| 22:33.44 | Imhothar | or svn whichever you use |
| 22:36.16 | Mere | I've been using gi |
| 22:36.18 | Mere | git* |
| 22:36.32 | Mere | as it seemed a bit friendlier for having multiple repositories |
| 22:38.44 | Imhothar | wish I could just put the Curse download link on RiftUI |
| 22:38.57 | Imhothar | instead of having to upload the file manually |
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| 23:41.46 | Mere | Cairenn: something up with the riftui git server? |
| 23:41.56 | Cairenn | dolby: ^^ |
| 23:42.12 | Mere | you mean dobly's broken it ? :) |
| 23:42.40 | Imhothar | never touch a running system |
| 23:42.54 | dolby | nope works fine here |
| 23:42.59 | dolby | havent touched it |
| 23:43.10 | dolby | you getting an error? |
| 23:43.13 | Mere | hmm, it didn't take a push, and when I went to the web page is said not responding, a refresh on viewgit and it's working |
| 23:43.20 | Mere | I suspect that the push will timeout |
| 23:44.15 | Mere | ok, retried the push it worked that time |
| 23:44.16 | Mere | very odd |
| 23:44.25 | Mere | just a glitch in the matrix :) |
| 23:44.30 | dolby | might have been a network hickup some where |