| 00:23.49 | Imhothar | Has anyone tried MessageViewer yet? Didn't run it with a "real" addon yet which sends "real" messages around so I'm still wondering how useful it is |
| 00:37.16 | seebs | I have not yet, although I might "soon". |
| 00:42.43 | seebs | Hey, silly question. When people make "round" buttons using existing icons, how are they doing the roundness? Are they just putting a fat texture in front? |
| 00:44.59 | Torhal | There's no SetTexCoord equivalent? |
| 00:46.30 | seebs | I don't know what it does. |
| 00:46.50 | Imhothar | nope |
| 00:47.10 | Imhothar | you put a texture on top which is larger than the icon and "looks" round |
| 00:47.52 | seebs | What's a SetTexCoord? |
| 00:48.05 | Torhal | Sets a texture coordinate |
| 00:48.14 | Torhal | a texture's coordinates, rather |
| 00:48.19 | Torhal | Looks like someone suggested it: http://forums.riftgame.com/beta-addon-api-development/258724-post-your-small-addon-api-suggestions-here-3.html#post3198611 |
| 00:48.22 | Imhothar | lets you manipulate which parts of a texture gets displayed |
| 00:49.03 | Imhothar | wish we could put in a full texture matrix |
| 00:50.30 | seebs | That wouldn't really solve the round button problem, though, would it? |
| 00:50.55 | seebs | I mean, it'd let you pick part of a larger thing, but it'd still be square. So I assume people have just been putting something round in front of the corners? |
| 00:51.14 | seebs | Because I totally thought some WoW addons had circular icons which didn't have corners, but which appeared to be standard game icons. |
| 00:51.20 | Imhothar | what I'm also missing is texture blending |
| 00:51.32 | Imhothar | the WoW icons hat round corners |
| 00:51.39 | Imhothar | had |
| 00:51.50 | seebs | ohh |
| 00:52.02 | seebs | I see. Combination of things -- icons with already-rounded corners, round thing over the edges. |
| 00:52.11 | Imhothar | but in WoW textures were not full blown frames and were arranged in layers |
| 00:52.24 | Imhothar | you could change the blending of each texture, so it would affect the textures displayed below it |
| 00:53.01 | Imhothar | by setting a texture to multiply you could make a blocky texture round by putting an alpha texture over it |
| 00:53.27 | seebs | Yeah, they could alpha-mask. I would love that. |
| 00:53.40 | Imhothar | Rift can alpha-mask too |
| 00:53.55 | Imhothar | I mean |
| 00:54.01 | Imhothar | textures can have alpha channels |
| 00:54.09 | seebs | Ahh, that's not quite the same, though. |
| 00:54.14 | Imhothar | but you can't change other textures with blending equations |
| 00:54.30 | seebs | Yeah. I would really like the ability to apply an alpha channel from one texture to another texture's image. |
| 00:54.49 | Imhothar | ae |
| 00:54.51 | Imhothar | aye |
| 00:57.07 | seebs | Is it sanely possible to match a party frame to a unit specifier? |
| 00:57.34 | seebs | I was thinking of making little buttons for each native unit frame (or at least the party ones) to show RP details, but it occurs to me that party1 does not correspond to any specific unit. |
| 00:58.06 | Imhothar | afaik party1 is the player |
| 00:58.59 | Imhothar | or maybe not |
| 00:59.12 | Imhothar | you got UI.Native.PartyPortrait1-4 |
| 00:59.25 | Imhothar | PortraitParty even |
| 01:01.12 | seebs | Yes. But the thing is, as I recall, PortraitParty1 would be group01 if the player was not group01, otherwise it would be group02... |
| 01:06.41 | Imhothar | I really wish Ttrion would add methods to native frames |
| 01:07.11 | Imhothar | Yet alone the possibility of re-use... |
| 01:08.13 | Imhothar | wonder if its for technical or philosophical reasons |
| 01:09.05 | seebs | Probably some of both. |
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| 02:20.45 | Imhothar | interesting, this guy here claims ImhoBags deleted his mails |
| 02:21.05 | Imhothar | When nowhere it calls Command.Mail.Delete |
| 02:21.07 | Imhothar | fascinating |
| 03:18.45 | starlon | oops |
| 04:14.19 | seebs | Users of Merisioux are asking that I open up the addon to cross-faction messaging. |
| 04:14.33 | seebs | ZorbaBeta: Make cross-faction messaging work or it's puppy eyes. |
| 04:19.05 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:24.39 | seebs | I kid you not. I will totally make BIG WOBBLY eyes. I may even keen softly. |
| 04:25.08 | seebs | I just think it's funny that the user assumed it was my addon deciding to limit it. (I actually have thoughts for a way to try to fake it up with /say, but that's a lot more work.) |
| 04:25.29 | Imhothar | I say pay with cake |
| 04:38.35 | dualMoon | I haven't given it much thought, but I never quite understood limitations on cross-faction interaction. I mean, just because two groups are at odds doesn't mean every member of one group automatically hates every member of every other group. |
| 04:40.33 | Imhothar | it can become an issue in pvp |
| 04:42.04 | dualMoon | that's a good point, actually. personally i would solve it by blocking cross-faction messaging as long as you're flagged for pvp, and not blocked otherwise |
| 04:43.22 | Imhothar | then what prevents you from using an unflagged relay character |
| 04:45.40 | Imhothar | could easily make a "whisper chain" with addons to relay messages from character to character |
| 04:45.49 | dualMoon | another good point. and one that I don't have any better solution to :) |
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| 05:28.32 | seebs | Someone was reporting stealthing up to an enemy flag, seeing more people than he could handle... and yelling instructions to them. Which they followed. |
| 05:28.39 | seebs | So I think it's sorta awesome. |
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| 18:23.58 | Mere | evening |
| 18:28.16 | Imhothar | sup |
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| 19:53.42 | Cairenn | ZorbaBeta: please poof this for me? http://forums.riftgame.com/beta-addon-api-development/309557-test.html |
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| 21:19.22 | Mere | hmm, anyone know if it's possible to get more screenshots on riftui? |
| 21:21.19 | Cairenn | Mere: hmmm? |
| 21:21.46 | Cairenn | On your addon page? |
| 21:22.20 | Mere | yeah, I'm just thinking as time goes on I might have more screenshots to add (of some of the config) or is that what the portal is for? |
| 21:22.52 | Cairenn | I'll talk to dolby about it, see if we can bump the number some |
| 21:23.29 | Mere | I just wondered, as I add more config I may need pages to describe some of the config |
| 21:23.36 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 21:24.40 | Mere | particularly the nature of unit frames, the more you want to allow be configurable the more text I'll end up with |
| 21:24.48 | Cairenn | Yeah |
| 21:25.30 | Torhal | Cairenn: Good to come back? |
| 21:25.38 | Cairenn | sec |
| 21:27.13 | Cairenn | yeah, because I'm not an op so I can't register |
| 21:27.38 | Torhal | Cairenn: So when you left and came back you weren't opped? Bah |
| 21:27.50 | Cairenn | Didn't try, sec |
| 21:28.16 | Cairenn | yeah yeah, it did |
| 21:28.33 | Cairenn | come on in :) |
| 21:31.38 | Cairenn | Mere: bumped it up |
| 21:31.53 | Mere | awesome :) |
| 21:32.15 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:37.07 | seebs | Yay! |
| 21:37.19 | seebs | I got feedback from a dev who is in a position to investigate and fix the auto-flag bug. |
| 21:38.29 | Mere | auto-flag bug? |
| 21:42.16 | Cairenn | yay |
| 21:49.20 | seebs | Rift has an option to disable auto-flagging for PvP. |
| 21:49.42 | seebs | When you've disabled this, things that might otherwise flag you don't. Either they pick other targets (for AoEs), or they fail and say something like "target incompatible with PvP flag state". |
| 21:49.50 | seebs | Except that. Sometimes. This doesn't work, and you flag anyway. |
| 21:51.54 | Mere | what is this PvP thing you talk of? :) |
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| 22:07.58 | Mere | am I right in thinking that an ability Id is always constant across all languages and clients? |
| 22:12.42 | ZorbaBeta | mere, should be |
| 22:12.59 | Mere | awesome, then my code to work out how many soul specs should work |
| 22:13.23 | Mere | I lookup the details of a "Changing Role" ability ID, get the name, and compare all the other player abilities with it, and count the matches |
| 22:13.32 | Mere | so I'm hoping in other languages that'll just work |
| 22:14.06 | Mere | (as I couldn't see any other ways to work out how many roles a player has) |
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| 22:17.02 | aestil | i have a rogue that i'm trying to l2tank on, and find that there are various short buffs that come from finishers/blinking/combo building moves as well as a few defensive cooldowns i should rotate through. |
| 22:17.47 | aestil | but the only addon that seems capable of tracking and following all those things is nkrebuff which makes Power Aura's look really easy. |
| 22:18.22 | aestil | tough stuff |
| 22:18.23 | seebs | Yeah, haven't found anything super straightforward for that. |
| 22:18.36 | seebs | At least it's easier than it was in 1.3 or so, where riftstalker was insanely hard to keep buffs up on. |
| 22:18.51 | aestil | still no way to have an all in one bag mod? |
| 22:18.52 | aestil | right? |
| 22:19.07 | aestil | i watch the addon site but haven't see any updates the the API which would make it possible. |
| 22:19.14 | Mere | I think the bags are getting close |
| 22:19.35 | Mere | I know that someone working on one has requested more apis for a few things |
| 22:21.29 | aestil | I thought that was seebs. |
| 22:21.33 | ZorbaBeta | I believe they're mostly possible now, with a few moderately annoying warts |
| 22:21.45 | seebs | What we really want-but-don't-have: |
| 22:21.54 | seebs | Frame:SetBagSlot('si01.001') |
| 22:22.17 | seebs | At which point, rightl-clicking on frame will sell or equip or use or scan auctions or post auctions or put in bank or offer for trade or attach to mail or... |
| 22:22.50 | seebs | I could do, but haven't done, the various dragging stuff... except that I don't know if there's a way for me to implement drag-and-drop that would interact correctly with built-in UI slots. |
| 22:23.06 | seebs | So if you tried to drag from my UI to a bank slot, I don't think that would work anyway. But I *could* do it, I think. |
| 22:23.24 | seebs | Apart from that, I have a mod which can give me a scrollable list of all my stuff, it's just not particularly useful. |
| 22:24.46 | seebs | I mean, nice for looking at, but it can't DO much yet. |
| 22:25.38 | seebs | That, and the lack of :SetWordwrap on RiftTextfield, are the two things I can think of that actually prevent me from completing things, as opposed to being cosmetic and easily worked around with a little coding. |
| 22:27.17 | seebs | The message API + zlib is really nice. :) |
| 22:27.31 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's sitting on my TODO list but it's probably going to be tricky. Definitely not 1.8. |
| 22:27.39 | ZorbaBeta | Maybe 1.9, depending on how long the other plans take. |
| 22:27.48 | seebs | Oh, I thought of a thing that would be a nice feature, although probably Too Much Work. |
| 22:28.17 | ZorbaBeta | That said, drag-and-drop *should* work via Command.Cursor(), although I believe there are currently issues. |
| 22:28.35 | seebs | Which is it'd be sorta cool if you could send a non-string object in a way that the message API would handle serialize/unserialize, but do so securely so people can't pass in code fragments. |
| 22:28.52 | seebs | I mean, you can work around it with setfenv and loadstring, but it'd be awesome if it were innate, because people will get it wrong. :) |
| 22:29.22 | ZorbaBeta | Utility.Serialize.Inline() will actually do a surprising amount of that. So will Utility.Serialize.Full(), although it'd be possible to insert functions into the result of that one. |
| 22:29.52 | seebs | That's the trick -- a malicious user can send a string which is not actually the output of serialize.inline, so loadstring is dangerous. |
| 22:30.16 | seebs | Currently, I'm doing loadstring('return ' .. foo), setfenv(func, {}) and hoping this works. |
| 22:30.29 | ZorbaBeta | that's actually going to be pretty near-perfect with .Inline() |
| 22:30.44 | ZorbaBeta | you'll also want to verify that the returned blob doesn't have any functions in it |
| 22:30.49 | seebs | It works for the case where the output is from serialize.inline. I haven't really tried it on malicious data. |
| 22:30.49 | aestil | currently there isn't an addon for buff bars on timers, or something that replicates PowA classic, but in a way that isn't painful to use like nkrebuff right? |
| 22:31.37 | Mere | not sure, there are quite a few buff bars around now |
| 22:31.40 | aestil | is there a way to change the behavior of the map so that you can interact with it while moving? |
| 22:33.22 | Mere | I know that Kreiri did some buff bars, which might be different, mostly they look like sets of CD timer bars |
| 22:34.00 | seebs | I think the map has a toggle for whether to fade out while moving. |
| 22:34.39 | seebs | afk a bit, going out to dinner. might be on from there. :) |
| 22:35.52 | Mere | Cairenn: Something I meant to ask, my addon shows under File Info Created: unknown, is there a way to fix that? |
| 22:36.01 | Cairenn | really? |
| 22:36.04 | aestil | well, i want the map to fade while moving, i just also want to be able to interact with it while moving also. |
| 22:36.04 | Cairenn | that's weird |
| 22:36.27 | Cairenn | no it doesn't |
| 22:36.29 | Mere | I never did an upload, I created the first zip from the git repository |
| 22:36.38 | Cairenn | ooooh |
| 22:36.46 | Cairenn | I see where you mean now, sorry |
| 22:36.51 | Cairenn | ummmm .... dolby? |
| 22:37.03 | Cairenn | on the file info tab |
| 22:37.10 | Cairenn | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info218-MereHealingFrames.html |
| 22:37.36 | Cairenn | He may be afk, I think he's getting dinner |
| 22:38.04 | Mere | no probs, I've been meaning to ask, and noticed I'd turned up on the "hot list" so wondered how many downloads I'd reached |
| 22:38.14 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 22:38.26 | Mere | which reminded me :) |
| 22:38.31 | dolby | its a but with our git system. when did you create it? i can manually enter it |
| 22:38.47 | Cairenn | s/but/bug ;) |
| 22:38.53 | dolby | lol bug |
| 22:39.06 | Cairenn | giggles at the dolby |
| 22:39.27 | Mere | version 0.1 was 2012-03-12 1:21 am (according to the git log) so about then :) |
| 22:41.41 | Mere | btw, should I worry at being the only git user on riftui? :) I assume it's not going to go away? |
| 22:41.59 | Mere | I quite like the simplicitly to push the latest version I have and the history and changes go with it :) |
| 22:42.43 | Mere | so I can work locally and upload a more complete version, and can do regular local checkins :) |
| 22:43.41 | dolby | Mere: no wont go away, a lot of users on the wow side of it |
| 22:43.46 | dolby | date fixed |
| 22:43.59 | Mere | cool, I just noticed it's me and a test git repo on there :) |
| 22:44.08 | dolby | we were late in rolling out git for riftui |
| 22:44.17 | Mere | I figured it was all the servers you handle it for :) |
| 22:44.38 | Mere | well the timing was perfect for me :) |
| 22:45.03 | dolby | :) |
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| 22:54.20 | Mere | btw what are the titles on the forums for? I seem to be a Zombie? |
| 23:00.33 | Cairenn | RiftUI? Depends on how many posts you have |
| 23:01.23 | Mere | yeah, just looks odd to be a Zombie Addon Author ;) |
| 23:01.35 | Cairenn | The more posts you have, the higher level mob |
| 23:02.40 | Mere | heh, I notice releasing from Git doesn't bump my "uploads" (not sure it should as other authors have just 1 upload) |
| 23:07.34 | Mere | ZorbaBeta: perhaps not a question you can answer, but I don't seem to get emails for replies and PMs off forums.riftgame.com, is that a known issue? |
| 23:27.31 | Mere | gn all |
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