IRC log for #riftuidev on 20120326

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06:49.28seebsheh
06:49.46seebsSomeone on the forums is arguing that twinking is in no way unfair, because anyone COULD stop levelling and gear up madly for a long time at the top of a bracket.
06:49.57seebsTherefore, fighting someone who has twice your health and can one-shot you is fun.
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10:36.34starlonsounds reasonable
10:36.36starlon:\
10:37.25starlonit's hard having no life
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19:56.44Merehi
19:59.20seebsYo.
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22:02.00ImhotharIs there a "supported" way of stripping an item type of all its rune enhancements or other modificatios and get the "raw" item type?
22:03.48MereI don't remember reading anything, but then I've not read about items in depth
22:15.00seebsMeh.
22:15.08seebsI need a new account that is not traceable to my current account.
22:15.20seebsSo I can post the rules to the Rogue Forum Drinking Game.
22:15.39Merelol
22:16.18seebsWhich would basically be the Zyzyx drinking game, really.
23:20.59seebsSQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
23:21.14seebsOMG OMG OMG
23:21.20seebsI gotta find out if I can get vacation days
23:23.41Mereoh?
23:24.11seebsSERVER SIDE STORAGE
23:25.18Merestorage for?
23:25.39seebsStuff we want to store.
23:25.54seebsI am jittery
23:27.06Merelol
23:27.16Mereand there I was thinking zorba was slacking ;)
23:27.25seebsZorba is SUCH a slacker.
23:27.35MereI guess that means people will want a libhealcomm thing
23:27.41MereI wonder how good it is at filtering stuff
23:28.28MereI'm just not sure what you'd want to store server side?  or is that to avoid needing local saved vars...
23:28.55seebsWell, the example I had:  RP bios.
23:29.08seebsConsider the bandwidth used by having every RPer see every other RPer's bio once every five minutes.
23:29.17seebsCompare with uploading once per session and downloading only on mouseover.
23:29.34Meresorry you think the storage would be cross addon?
23:29.40Merecross player even?
23:29.45seebsI assume that is the point.
23:29.54seebsThat's the feature we've been asking about, anyway.  Haven't done the PTS doc update yet.
23:30.23seebsSo the idea is, I log in, I upload my bio to the server, and then if you mouseover me, your RP addon queries the server for my bio.
23:30.29seebsWhich is COMPRESSED thanks to zlib.
23:31.21Mereoh that'll be hellish surely?  how the hell do you standardize/police it without a set of libraries?
23:31.22seebsSo if I write a small novel for the background of Merisioux, the Most Important Person Ever, instead of 8KB up and 8KB*number of RPers down every 5 minutes, it's 2kb up and 2kb down per single person who is dumb enough to mouseover her.
23:31.36seebsDunno!
23:31.55seebsSo messages, server-side data, and zlib.
23:32.01seebsAnd the utility of zlib just became obvious to me.
23:33.02Mereyeah, I'm just dubious of cross player stuff, libhealcomm equiv needed everyone to have it
23:33.14Mereand given the fps impact with just one addon enabled, some won't want it
23:33.37Mereas there are always those that use standard frames for healing
23:33.41seebsYeah.
23:33.54Merelet alone predicting the heal size
23:33.57seebsWell, as I recall, some of those tools watched the combat log for spell cast start notifications.
23:34.03seebsWhich you could use to guess.
23:34.18Mereoh they do, start and cancels
23:34.42seebsSo you don't really need everyone running the addon to have some functionality, just for extra reliabilit.y
23:35.09Mereyes and no, libhealcomm pushed the data from you, as it could monitor your casts and be accurate for you
23:35.19Mereimagine doing that for yourself and 19 other players
23:35.30seebsTrue.
23:35.37Mereit's a lot data, I think it also looked at your current spell-power
23:35.38seebsWell, I'll be updating my PTS doc stuff in a moment or three.
23:36.20seebsI say again:  SQUEEE!
23:36.21Merealthough that doesn't look to be a stat exposed to the api
23:36.33seebsI thought that was in Inspect.Stat()
23:36.44seebsI should totally implement an opt-in gearscore now.
23:36.50Mereah
23:36.58seebsRun this, and other people who have it can see your rating.
23:37.09Mereyep, it's under stat, not unit detail
23:37.38Merebut that's why libhealcomm broadcast the casts out, as it could look at your current sp, and make an estimate on the size
23:39.03seebsOooh, guild storage.
23:39.05seebsWith permissions.
23:39.43seebsWow.
23:39.45seebsThis is GORGEOUS.
23:39.57Merehmm, is this on your webpages?
23:44.16seebsIt is now.
23:44.24seebshttp://www.seebs.net/rift/pts/Storage_index.html
23:45.31seebsI can now write Chatterbox.  I can also now write an RP addon.  I can write ALL THE THINGS.
23:45.39seebsI do not have that much time to spend right now.
23:46.52Torhalseebs: Write AVR.
23:46.53Torhal:D
23:51.20Merewell looks like we could send heal messages around, and the server will filter it out for those without a listener
23:56.43seebsI don't think I can write AVR, and even if I could, it doesn't interest me.
23:56.55seebsBut chatterbox and an RP bio tool?

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