| 01:12.06 | seebs | Hmm. There's no way to TINT a texture, is there? |
| 01:12.43 | seebs | Ah, well, I can solve later. |
| 01:16.03 | Nivlix | as in change the color? |
| 01:16.10 | Cairenn | One you are creating and putting in the game yourself, or a pre-existing one? |
| 01:27.17 | seebs | One I'm adding myself. I would sorta like to be able to make a single greyscale texture, then have different frames using tinted copies. |
| 01:29.22 | seebs | aghggh |
| 01:29.26 | seebs | how can ... I mean |
| 01:29.35 | seebs | WHY does my addon have a comment asking about its purpose? |
| 01:29.42 | seebs | IT IS THERE TO BE ANNOYING AND STUPID LIKE IT SAYS. |
| 01:31.19 | Cairenn | I'm pretty sure that you'd have to create a bunch of different overlays for each of the colours you want. |
| 01:31.25 | seebs | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info200-GoofBall.html |
| 01:31.31 | Nivlix | seebs are you talking about making it darker/lighter? |
| 01:31.49 | seebs | There have existed APIs in which there was a way to do something to the effect of texture:Tint(1, 0, 0) and get a red-channel-only thing. |
| 01:31.59 | seebs | And texture:Tint(0, 1, 0) would be green. |
| 01:32.14 | Nivlix | ahhh no clue on that one :( |
| 01:32.19 | Cairenn | I don't know if that's currently possible in Rift |
| 01:33.42 | seebs | Well, GoofBall is now the best toy ever. |
| 01:33.50 | Cairenn | ehehhe |
| 01:34.27 | seebs | I would love to be able to use multiple color-tinted images, but it's Too Much Work. |
| 01:35.40 | Nivlix | :P |
| 01:35.57 | Nivlix | so anyways, got the tooltip working for the currency :D at least some what, there is no sorting to it at all yet |
| 01:36.11 | Nivlix | that will be next, but not until i get the modules split into their own files |
| 01:39.53 | seebs | btw, ZorbaBeta, GoofBall appears to crash Rift occasionally, but I don't know why/how. |
| 01:40.37 | seebs | No reproducer as such, but sent in two crash reports today. |
| 01:42.47 | Kreiri | I have a window, bunch of frames in it, and one of the frames happens to be a RiftTextfield. Now the weird thing: I can't get its TextfieldChange to fire. KeyUp/Down events are fired, but TextfieldChange isn't. |
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| 02:00.49 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, interesting. if you figure out a reproducer, let me know. I'll check the crash reports :) |
| 02:03.06 | seebs | agh |
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| 02:03.14 | seebs | I'm getting NaNs. I don't know how to check for them in Lua. |
| 02:03.39 | lXl | To check if something is a number? |
| 02:03.47 | seebs | To check if something is a number-which-is-NaN. |
| 02:03.49 | seebs | Like x/0 |
| 02:03.56 | seebs | Or 0/0 more likely |
| 02:04.12 | lXl | Ew |
| 02:04.54 | seebs | ohhh |
| 02:04.58 | seebs | I see what's killing me. |
| 02:17.40 | seebs | When a bunch of things are created with no velocity in the same location, Bad Stuff Happens. |
| 02:22.09 | seebs | Now it works way better. |
| 02:38.52 | Nivlix | anyone know if the currency IDs are always the same, or wether they change everytime the client loads? |
| 02:41.33 | ZorbaBeta | nivlix, should be the same, they're actually item types |
| 02:41.45 | ZorbaBeta | (except "coin" which isn't an item type and also obviously won't change) |
| 02:42.06 | ZorbaBeta | 'least I think they're item types. maybe I didn't do that. anyway yeah they should be the same. |
| 02:43.48 | Nivlix | ok another question, if i ask for details on one that i havent seen yet, will it do bad things, or will it still get the details of that type? |
| 02:44.34 | seebs | okay, this is awesome |
| 02:44.46 | seebs | Grab goofball, /goofball -mg, /goofball -a a couple of times. |
| 02:44.48 | ZorbaBeta | in many cases, it'll give you an error, then work after a server round-trip |
| 02:45.24 | Nivlix | k |
| 02:46.00 | lXl | So there's been server lag? |
| 02:46.26 | seebs | And now the goofball balls try to follow the mouse optionally. |
| 03:05.38 | seebs | Huh, that's odd. |
| 03:05.49 | seebs | They're in front of basic UI elements, but behind bags and tooltips. |
| 03:06.28 | seebs | oh, weird |
| 03:06.49 | seebs | When you drag-to-mouselook, the Inspect.Mouse() coordinates change, but when you let go it zooms back. |
| 04:50.23 | Nivlix | ok new version of the stat bar is up. added the tooltip to mouseover on currency |
| 05:21.45 | lXl | Callbacks are confusing :( |
| 05:22.13 | seebs | Callbacks aren't so bad, but I still can't get continuations and coroutines to stick in my brain. |
| 06:08.56 | lXl | I just don't get them but they look useful :( |
| 06:12.09 | seebs | Callbacks make sense to me, maybe I can help with that one at least. |
| 06:12.18 | lXl | Callbacks: What do? |
| 06:12.53 | seebs | Okay, in normal code using an API, you decide when to call the API's functions. |
| 06:13.01 | seebs | Callbacks invert that; they let the API decide when to call your functions. |
| 06:13.40 | seebs | The canonical simple examples are UI event hooks and list iterators. |
| 06:13.53 | lXl | There's no API it's JS |
| 06:13.58 | lXl | Hmm |
| 06:14.22 | seebs | So instead of you writing code which iterates over a list doing something, you write the "doing something" and hand it to a list iterator. Your "do something" is now a callback. |
| 06:14.47 | seebs | Or an event handler; like, say, the function to call when a value changes. Every time the value changes, your callback gets invoked, so you can react. |
| 06:15.02 | seebs | It's just about letting you say what to do and let someone else's code decide when to do it. |
| 06:15.03 | lXl | That one makes sense |
| 06:15.37 | lXl | It's like looping the code back around under conditions? |
| 06:15.57 | seebs | A little. I tend to think of it as sort of turning things inside out. |
| 06:15.58 | lXl | Well not loop it but refer back |
| 06:16.51 | seebs | So if you give some object on a web page an onChange trait, then the HTML engine is supposed to call your code every time that object changes. |
| 06:16.58 | seebs | People use this for stuff like cheap field validation. |
| 06:17.29 | seebs | So instead of everyone having to write fancy code to monitor and interact with objects, everyone writes simple code to handle an event, and the decision about when to call handlers is made by the engine. |
| 06:18.02 | lXl | Yeah that makes a bit more sense |
| 06:18.36 | lXl | Trying to figure out the flow of it |
| 06:19.55 | seebs | Do it in lua, easier to see what's happening and write both sides. |
| 06:23.18 | lXl | http://www.troubleshooters.com/codecorn/lua/luacallbacks.htm |
| 06:23.23 | lXl | I found this and it seems like a more simple example |
| 06:24.18 | lXl | So it's passing an argument that's actually a function? |
| 06:24.29 | seebs | Yup. |
| 06:24.47 | lXl | Oh I kind of see where the code goes |
| 06:25.48 | lXl | Otherwise doing this would possibly be messier or involve unnecessarily variables? |
| 06:30.18 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 06:30.37 | seebs | In the general case it'd require you to rewrite a bunch of code tons of places. |
| 08:02.32 | starlon | damnit, programmer's block... can't figure out how I want to approach LibScriptable4Java |
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| 09:25.49 | starlon | plays the fiddle. |
| 09:26.05 | starlon | II'm a maaaan of constant soooorow! |
| 10:21.37 | starlon | ZorbaBeta: You should do a Lua UI environment for Android. :P |
| 10:21.57 | starlon | So I can stop considering it myself. |
| 10:23.59 | starlon | : |
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| 14:16.01 | ZorbaBeta | I'm actually working on something similar to that right now, though it'll be a while before it hits android |
| 14:36.09 | Nivlix | morning everyone |
| 15:31.41 | Nivlix|Work | hmmm nicety request: access to guild list and friends list :P |
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| 18:23.32 | Kreiri | Does "insert link" button in riftui's editing form not work for anyone else? |
| 18:31.27 | seebs | It has never worked for me. On the other hand, it has also never failed for me. :) |
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| 20:30.50 | Nivlix|Work | seebs shoud i go out of my way and embed nklog to fix an error that one person is getting? or should i simply stop at replying with a "please send me a screenshot of the error" |
| 20:32.27 | Kreiri | which addon is it? let's see is I can reproduce it - I have a knack for getting into rare bugs while doing normal things. |
| 20:32.38 | Nivlix|Work | nivStats |
| 20:32.58 | Nivlix|Work | hes stating that hes getting an error every 2-3 minutes, but i cant reproduce it, and no one else is saying anything about it |
| 20:33.07 | Nivlix|Work | im wondering if hes using a non english client |
| 20:33.13 | Nivlix|Work | thats the only thing i can think |
| 20:33.30 | Kreiri | link please? google got too smart and offer only Nil Berkowitz Stats |
| 20:33.39 | Nivlix|Work | lol ok one sec |
| 20:34.14 | Nivlix|Work | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info196-nivStats.html |
| 20:34.17 | Nivlix|Work | and i forwarn you |
| 20:34.27 | Nivlix|Work | the code is a mess right now, because i havent broken it down into modules yet :P |
| 20:35.44 | Nivlix|Work | if you happen to be able to reproduce it, all i need is the line number and the error, i dont need the whole stack trace |
| 20:35.53 | Nivlix|Work | anyways, back to work stuff, be back shortly |
| 20:43.18 | seebs | Heh, Rustycage is the one who commented on GoofBall asking what the purpose of the addon was. |
| 21:16.35 | Nivlix|Work | yeah i know |
| 21:16.36 | Nivlix|Work | i saw it |
| 21:16.55 | Nivlix|Work | kreiri were you able to find anything? |
| 21:17.19 | Kreiri | Sorry, no. Tried English and French clients. |
| 21:17.52 | Nivlix|Work | not my issue then at this point, im not gonna embed for one person, not for this, its too simple in function that with the line number and error i could fix it to easily |
| 21:18.09 | Nivlix|Work | it worked for french also? no errors? and everything displayed right? |
| 21:18.33 | Kreiri | I didn't see any errors. |
| 21:18.47 | Nivlix|Work | sweet :D i was thinking i was going to have to localize it |
| 21:19.43 | Kreiri | you can try in yourself. "settings" button in launcher has dropdown for client language |
| 21:20.13 | seebs | oooh |
| 21:20.18 | seebs | That's sorta awesome. |
| 21:20.27 | seebs | hah |
| 21:20.31 | Nivlix|Work | yeah but that wont change the way the stuff is called, cause the calls are all server side :D |
| 21:20.33 | seebs | I got a coworker to submit a question to Helpy. |
| 21:21.04 | Nivlix|Work | wait i just realized something then |
| 21:22.01 | Nivlix|Work | if they are doing that, to where all translations are done client side, then you dont have to localize an addon to keep from having bugs, only to handle displaying the info in the right language it looks like |
| 21:22.04 | Nivlix|Work | maybe? |
| 21:22.33 | Nivlix|Work | not saying thats exactly how its done, but if you didnt bug out with french client selected then im thinking that that might be the case |
| 21:23.24 | Nivlix|Work | seebs, i just read the full comment thread for goofball |
| 21:23.26 | Nivlix|Work | ....... |
| 21:27.34 | seebs | BTW, that is pretty much why I wrote it. |
| 21:28.01 | seebs | I am trying to alert people to the possibility that "it was funny" could be a purpose, or more generally, that not everything has to be about obtaining rewards. |
| 21:28.05 | Nivlix|Work | for the comments? yeah i figured hehe |
| 21:28.21 | seebs | People get so caught up in the notion that they have to do whatever gets them the most plusses, and they have a miserable time of it. |
| 21:29.03 | Nivlix|Work | see im writing nivStats for me really, 1 because i like the idea that the bar presents, 2 i just like to code, im having fun doing it because i am actually succeeding :D |
| 21:29.42 | Nivlix|Work | hmmmm |
| 21:29.47 | Nivlix|Work | hmmm |
| 21:29.48 | Nivlix|Work | ideas |
| 21:29.50 | Nivlix|Work | how bout |
| 21:29.57 | Nivlix|Work | 'dont shoot the puppy" for rift? :D |
| 21:30.05 | Kreiri | speaking about purpose. I don't get RiftRC |
| 21:30.27 | seebs | Okay, here's what happened. |
| 21:30.46 | seebs | I was working on some other addon. And I kept wanting to debug it by looking at stuff. But all the addon's stuff was in the addon's namespace. |
| 21:31.04 | seebs | So I kept doing things like /script p = Inspect.Addon.Detail('MyAddon').data |
| 21:31.15 | seebs | and then /print p.thing_I_care_about |
| 21:31.53 | seebs | And there's stuff like LuaPad, and what I wanted to do was make a thing similar to LuaPad, but with save and restore, and the ability to run some snippets at startup. |
| 21:32.31 | seebs | So right now, my .riftrc is "riftrc = Inspect.Addon.Detail('RiftRC') <newline> gb = Inspect.Addon.Detail('GoofBall').data <newline> return gb' |
| 21:32.57 | seebs | and that means that I can refer to 'gb' in any /script I do, and I can pop it open and look at the contents of gb. And if I run it, or set it in live mode, I can see the contents live. |
| 21:33.20 | seebs | Basically, it's like LuaPad, only it has saving, and autorun at startup. I had a similar addon for WoW way back in the day. |
| 21:33.35 | seebs | Which had a dependency on the beautifully-named ForAllIndentsAndPurposes. |
| 21:33.49 | Kreiri | I have a "dummy" addon where I just write some stuff I want to test at the moment |
| 21:33.53 | seebs | "Darky McDarkerson The Dark Night Assassin Guy Of The Dark Twilight Moontime" |
| 21:34.19 | seebs | The big goal was really the auto-run-at-startup, the rest is just there because I need it for things to be convenient. |
| 21:34.42 | seebs | Multiple snippets means I could do stuff like have a snippet that sets up a bunch of stuff that's handy if working on auctions, and enable it when working on auctions. |
| 21:45.44 | Kreiri | another thing that I don't get is coroutines |
| 21:46.21 | seebs | I occasionally briefly understand them, then they fall out of my head again because I never have a good reason to use them. |
| 21:46.36 | seebs | Although I suppose if I just think of them the way I think of coprocesses they work fine. |
| 21:46.50 | Kreiri | "never had a reason to use" exactly. I can't think of anything I might use them for. |
| 21:47.27 | seebs | The big thing, I think, is generators. |
| 21:47.57 | seebs | Say I'm doing an auction-parsing addon. In fact, it takes little enough time to do Inspect.Auction.Detail(WHOLE_LIST) that we don't much care. |
| 21:48.17 | seebs | But imagine that it took longer. You can write something that processes the next 50 records every update or whatever. |
| 21:48.48 | seebs | But coroutines make it easy to write the auction_id -> table conversion code in a clean and generic way, WITHOUT doing it on the whole list all at once. |
| 21:49.03 | seebs | And if you had enough auctions that, say, you couldn't actually have all those tables expanded at a time, that might be really handy. |
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