| 00:03.06 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 00:03.22 | seebs | What's the order value mean? e.g., Event.Ability.Remove has order = { "abilities" } |
| 00:04.46 | seebs | I find docs for a lot of things with names like "ability" which look like they're intended as sort of glossary entries. |
| 00:05.01 | seebs | But I haven't spotted a way to identify that a given thing is in that category. |
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| 01:23.10 | seebs | Okay, I have a plan for my filter library. But it's basically a rewrite now that I understand the problem better. |
| 01:23.38 | seebs | I wish I *could* write addons for pay. I would totally be willing to put in a solid eight hours on an AH addon for some whiny guy at a nice discounted rate of $125/hour or something. |
| 01:56.04 | starlon | :\ |
| 01:56.46 | starlon | undercuts seebs by half. |
| 03:19.35 | seebs | It is harder than I thought to extract this. The ['signature'] case looks just different enough from ['signatures'] to make life exciting. |
| 03:31.15 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, whoops, problem in the serializer. I'll fix that :V |
| 03:31.29 | seebs | I am having a lot of fun trying to figure this out. |
| 03:31.41 | seebs | order[] is a list of the parameters in the order to show them in, but doesn't seem to always exist. |
| 03:32.27 | seebs | I am not quite clear on why some things have 'members' and others don't. |
| 03:33.14 | ZorbaBeta | as I recall, order is used in events to give you the order of parameters |
| 03:33.21 | seebs | e.g., command.auction.scan has a bunch of newlines in its description of 'parameters', but inspect.unit.detail provides a separate ['members'] table. |
| 03:33.34 | ZorbaBeta | and "members" is probably returned in any situation where a thing returns a table |
| 03:33.48 | seebs | I've not yet found a case where the order gives information not found in the signature-or-signatures. |
| 03:33.49 | ZorbaBeta | unfortunately I have no elegant way right now to express "takes a table as a parameter" so I just hack it in :V |
| 03:34.05 | seebs | And I don't quite understand the distinction between "signature" and "signatures". |
| 03:34.07 | ZorbaBeta | yeah it's possible that's irrelevant, to be honest |
| 03:34.49 | seebs | Well, there's a spelling difference. Right now I'm basically forging a signatures-style signature from anything with a [signature]. |
| 03:35.12 | seebs | But [order] seems redundant in practice; every case I've seen so far, the signature gives that info. |
| 03:37.23 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's possible that's the case. I think the original plan was to not provide signatures but instead provide you with all the tools you needed to create signatures |
| 03:37.30 | ZorbaBeta | but I realized that would be a lot of work and I had better ways to spend the time |
| 03:47.54 | seebs | d'oh! |
| 03:48.06 | seebs | command.item.split has two signatures which use the same name for different types of things. |
| 04:17.53 | seebs | That is WAY too much fun. |
| 04:18.28 | seebs | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info192-DocExport.html |
| 04:32.31 | seebs | Zorba, PTS shows a bunch of things in documentation which appear to be the names of types, but they aren't listed in live. What's that for? |
| 04:55.08 | ZorbaBeta | they're the names of types :) it was pointed out to me that the "unit specifier" isn't really documented anywhere |
| 04:55.22 | ZorbaBeta | and I realized there were a few other things somewhat complicated that I should document |
| 04:55.45 | ZorbaBeta | they aren't in live because it's a new 1.8 feature. Just documentation, nothing exciting beyond that. |
| 04:58.45 | seebs | k |
| 04:59.12 | seebs | Can you add some kind of tag to them so I can put them in a different category? Maybe type = "glossary" or something. |
| 04:59.32 | seebs | It seems totally reasonable to me to demand that you change the contents of the API so it's easier for me to render the docs. |
| 05:00.09 | seebs | BTW, the HTML docs are helping me a ton with trying to code. I can much more easily see what I'm doing. |
| 05:25.45 | seebs | hmm. I really want to use savedvariables to hold these things, but I also want to be able to put functions in them. |
| 05:25.50 | seebs | But I don't think that'll work. |
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| 05:26.46 | seebs | Heya. |
| 05:26.53 | lXl | Hello |
| 05:28.30 | seebs | I am trying to think of how to reasonably express filters in a way that exports nicely to saved variables. |
| 05:28.46 | seebs | I'm thinking of allowing strings, which are evaluated as code, or tables, which are assumed to hold relations. |
| 05:51.32 | lXl | Filters? |
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| 06:03.13 | seebs | Yes, filters. |
| 06:03.36 | seebs | Okay, here's the thing. Rift's API is full of Inspect.*.Detail which return a table of { key, { subtable } }. |
| 06:03.55 | seebs | And it'd be really handy to have a generic mechanism in place for things like "only show me the ones where name is X" |
| 06:04.27 | seebs | So I'm writing something called LibEnfiltrate which allows for defining "filters", which can then be applied to such tables. |
| 06:05.04 | seebs | This will eventually allow me to rework LibBaggotry so it's saner to work with. |
| 06:05.09 | seebs | And that will let me do my AH addon. |
| 06:06.00 | lXl | Oh nice |
| 06:06.34 | seebs | http://www.seebs.net/tmp/live.html <-- this is the other thing I did today. |
| 06:07.08 | lXl | That is handy |
| 06:07.30 | seebs | I made an addon to export the machine-readable docs, and a lua script to dofile() the saved variables and produce pretty HTML. |
| 06:08.38 | seebs | My savedvariables idea is not meeting my needs. |
| 06:08.50 | seebs | The problem is that there's things I want to keep which can't be usefully serialized, but I really want... hmm. |
| 06:08.54 | seebs | Hang on, I think I can do this. |
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| 06:19.31 | seebs | Okay, filters will store a "representation" subtable which is the stuff that can be stashed as saved variables. |
| 06:26.51 | seebs | This is going WAY better this time around. |
| 06:27.10 | seebs | The original filter design in LibBaggotry was crufty. |
| 06:46.19 | seebs | Muuuuch nicer. |
| 06:55.08 | seebs | This is rapidly approaching utility, except for the tiny thing where it doesn't actually do anything. |
| 06:55.25 | seebs | Also I need to give some thought to how to encode knowledge like "stack is a numeric value". |
| 07:13.13 | seebs | sooo close. |
| 07:13.31 | seebs | I am like THIS close to being able to actually do any kind of test at all. |
| 07:37.59 | seebs | woo! |
| 07:40.05 | seebs | Muuuch prettier. |
| 07:48.50 | lXl | I need a really quiet 40mm fan :\ |
| 07:53.40 | seebs | That seems unlikely to happen. |
| 07:53.58 | seebs | Okay, I now have most of the fancy functionality I had before working. |
| 08:00.00 | lXl | Well I got my ITX box staying pretty cool but it gets relatively loud |
| 08:01.30 | lXl | It has a 4.5k RPM 50mm in right now and the noise isn't bad except for the fan motor which goes ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 08:03.05 | lXl | 10 CFM |
| 08:06.00 | seebs | woo! |
| 08:06.17 | seebs | I have a debugging thing where "/enfilt -z" tries to show all items in inventory matching a filter. |
| 08:06.29 | seebs | And now "/enfilt -z rarity:common" does what I mean. As does stack:3. |
| 08:17.00 | lXl | If it isn't broke, I poke it until it breaks again :( |
| 08:19.41 | lXl | I think I botched the thermal paste refitting the heatsink |
| 08:31.58 | lXl | Here's a kicker, not enough thermal paste lol |
| 08:39.03 | seebs | Okay, this is way cooler, and I think it is getting towards being a thing I could expose to people. |
| 08:39.17 | seebs | I think this filter design is saner. |
| 08:47.24 | lXl | Dear god I managed to improve it! |
| 08:49.59 | starlon | seebs: My optimizations? Shrink everything from device width/height to a 256x256 pixel texture, and have opengl to scale the texture. Went from 3fps to 11fps. :) |
| 08:50.17 | seebs | Neat! |
| 08:50.22 | starlon | Very! |
| 08:50.38 | starlon | Plugin loading takes a lot less time too. |
| 08:50.51 | starlon | s/Plugin loading/Loading a plugin/ |
| 08:52.44 | starlon | But then I have new bugs. :\ |
| 08:53.14 | starlon | For one, sliding right or left is hit or miss. You have to apply effort, and still it won't register a swipe all the time. |
| 08:53.47 | starlon | Perhaps the thread is freezing. |
| 08:53.50 | starlon | hmm |
| 09:09.32 | starlon | OpenGL is pure evil btw. |
| 09:37.00 | seebs | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info193-LibEnfiltrate.html |
| 09:43.05 | starlon | Poor Bob gets no privacy. |
| 09:43.15 | seebs | I know! |
| 09:43.23 | seebs | Anyway, would love feedback on that one. |
| 09:43.36 | seebs | I kid you not, I have been stuck on that bit of design for something like two months. |
| 09:43.44 | starlon | damn |
| 09:44.24 | seebs | The magic was the addition of category-specific rules and parsers, which lets me write the base stuff without any attention to that. |
| 09:48.12 | starlon | :) cool |
| 09:48.45 | seebs | Also, realizing that I should start from scratch. |
| 09:49.01 | seebs | Because baggotry's filters were all sort of growing organically from a design that was nowhere near flexible enough. |
| 10:40.44 | Torhal | disinclude, versus exclude? Interesting |
| 10:42.36 | seebs | disinclude means "remove from the list of included things". |
| 10:42.46 | seebs | include and exclude are not really symmetrical. |
| 10:42.50 | Torhal | lol 'bestpony' |
| 10:42.51 | Torhal | :D |
| 10:43.06 | seebs | It is after the manner of being an easter egg. |
| 10:43.11 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 10:43.52 | seebs | This is basically what I was trying to get at with the filtering stuff in Baggotry, but it got horribly bogged down in a poor initial data structure and a ton of item-specific magic like knowing about slots and character specs. |
| 10:44.02 | Torhal | Ah |
| 10:44.23 | seebs | So instead, filtering is its own thing, and then LibBaggotry will have inventory functions that can use filters, but the filters will be generic. |
| 10:44.26 | seebs | This will be WAY better. |
| 10:46.08 | Torhal | Good deal :) |
| 10:46.40 | seebs | Too tired to do the bag revamp today, though. |
| 10:46.44 | seebs | I got distracted by the doc exporter. |
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| 11:27.33 | Kreiri | I remember reading something about Rift's port of LibDataBroker. Does it exist and does it work? |
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| 14:06.30 | Torhal | http://www.curse.com/addons/rift/libdatabroker-1-0 |
| 14:07.42 | Torhal | Kreiri: ^^ |
| 14:08.12 | Torhal | I don't play Rift. |
| 14:08.13 | Torhal | :D |
| 14:09.20 | Torhal | Right. |
| 14:09.44 | Torhal | You can always PM the author on Curse or CurseForge. |
| 14:26.57 | Cairenn | and ask them to upload it to RiftUI too, while you're at it ;) |
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| 17:37.15 | Torhal|work | This is true. |
| 19:06.21 | seebs | Torhal, what madness is this? Why would you not play Rift? |
| 19:35.08 | seebs | Meh. I had this great idea but it requires one member of a large (and nested) table to refer to another, and the table is a nil value until it's done. |
| 19:54.43 | imush | what was the idea? |
| 21:08.45 | seebs | The idea was basically to have a table in which I have something to the effect of: |
| 21:08.53 | seebs | foo = function(...) ... end |
| 21:08.55 | seebs | and then later |
| 21:08.59 | seebs | bar = table.foo |
| 21:09.14 | seebs | but the table variable is a nil value until the end of parsing it. |
| 21:09.25 | seebs | (It's more complicated, they're in different subtables and stuff.) |
| 21:09.34 | seebs | So I just added an assignment after the declaration. |
| 21:14.27 | seebs | One remaining issue, I want a prettier way to indicate whether something is intended as code or a textual representation of a match. |
| 21:14.45 | seebs | My current thing is just checking whether loadstring works, but that's ugly and unreliable. |
| 21:29.11 | seebs | Okay, code is now @code. |
| 21:33.54 | seebs | Okay, hats off to the testers or devs. |
| 21:34.07 | seebs | Even though you can *exchange* your last bag, etcetera, you cannot *destroy* your last bag. |
| 21:34.25 | seebs | Which is good, because if you could you'd be screwed. |
| 21:38.27 | seebs | It always impresses me when devs protect against stupidity that takes me weeks or months to think of. |
| 21:51.30 | imush | that sounds kinda cool but whats the advantage of having the functions in the table? |
| 21:54.39 | seebs | Consistency/namespace. |
| 21:54.56 | seebs | I want filt.categories.item to contain EVERYTHING that has to do with how I filter items. |
| 21:55.51 | imush | oh that makes sense |
| 22:05.33 | seebs | meh |
| 22:05.37 | seebs | now I have to rework 1300 lines of code. |
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| 22:19.58 | Nivlix | hello everyone |
| 22:28.02 | seebs | Hello. |
| 22:28.54 | Nivlix | how are you this afternoon seebs? |
| 22:33.15 | seebs | Not bad. Messing with addons. Staring at 1300 lines of code I basically have to rewrite. |
| 22:33.54 | Nivlix | dang :( |
| 22:34.02 | Nivlix | makes me situation seem trivial :P |
| 22:56.21 | seebs | LibBaggotry is being reworked so that filtering is separate from it, and this means basically redesigning everything. |
| 22:56.25 | seebs | My goal is to have it not suck. |
| 23:08.01 | Nivlix | :P im just starting this whole add on thing so im still just trying to learn how to make a table of frames :P |
| 23:10.36 | seebs | Got much Lua experience? |
| 23:22.06 | starlon | whenever someone calls me ugly, I get sad :( and I hug them, because I know life is tough for the visually impaired. |
| 23:24.20 | seebs | heh |
| 23:24.39 | seebs | This character thing is hard. |
| 23:26.53 | seebs | I'm trying to correctly manage potentially-cross-character inventory lists. |
| 23:27.20 | Nivlix | seebs, not a ton of lua experience, but i have a decent bit of c#, and i work a proprietary language at work thats kind of similar |
| 23:27.32 | Nivlix | i learn quick though :P |
| 23:27.44 | Nivlix | and i think i actually have the table now |
| 23:28.07 | Nivlix | i can put the frames in it and have them display, now i need to figure out how to make them go where i want them to |
| 23:28.21 | Nivlix | without having to address each row |
| 23:29.20 | Nivlix | what i have so far is a 1 row of 5 frames, what i want for the final product is 5 rows of 5 frames |
| 23:30.25 | seebs | Oooh, world event started. |
| 23:31.56 | starlon | heh |
| 23:32.19 | starlon | oh, look, a penny! |
| 23:33.31 | Nivlix | :P |
| 23:34.11 | starlon | pepper-sprays Nivlix's tongue. |
| 23:35.10 | Nivlix | that would hurt |
| 23:40.03 | Nivlix | ok i think i got it |