| 00:00.22 | ZorbaBeta | most of them should already exist. there's only one or two things missing AFAIK, and they're minor |
| 00:00.30 | ZorbaBeta | what do you think is missing? |
| 00:00.46 | aestil | oh no, I was extrapolating from your earlier comment |
| 00:00.56 | ZorbaBeta | ah, no, that's just the issue with providing it by default |
| 00:00.58 | aestil | I only glanced over the rift ui wiki and wouldn't |
| 00:01.04 | aestil | really know much about it. |
| 00:01.36 | seebs | I think the real Magic Cookie we're missing is a thing for "treat this region like it is Bag Slot X", so you get all the cursor changes and right-click behavior. |
| 00:01.44 | seebs | Oh, and left-click for stuff like runebreaking. |
| 00:05.34 | ZorbaBeta | ah, yeah. that might be difficult at best, unfortunately |
| 00:05.53 | ZorbaBeta | I'll see what I can do though, obviously it'd be pretty handy |
| 00:05.59 | seebs | Yeah. But without that, we really can't provide a fully-functional bag mod. |
| 00:06.10 | ZorbaBeta | you can get really, really close though :) |
| 00:06.23 | seebs | It sorta seems like it might be easier to provide the full functionality than the hooks used to build it. |
| 00:06.42 | seebs | Well, hmm. Can we? I don't know whether we can make targeting for runebreaking and the like. |
| 00:12.10 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think you can make that, unfortunately |
| 00:12.22 | aestil | yet, right? |
| 00:12.24 | aestil | :) |
| 00:12.30 | aestil | the only thing |
| 00:12.31 | ZorbaBeta | hopefully, yes :) |
| 00:12.46 | aestil | that i went looking for within 30 minutes of playing, was the all in one bag mod |
| 00:12.50 | aestil | and when I couldn't find it |
| 00:13.02 | aestil | my wife made the * despair* face. |
| 00:13.15 | aestil | thankfully you have mouse over macro's |
| 00:13.20 | aestil | so i was able to talk her down off the ledge |
| 00:15.12 | ZorbaBeta | I think the only thing preventing a 90% complete bag mod is someone coding it |
| 00:15.20 | ZorbaBeta | and it's kinda tough to know what exactly is needed until that's done |
| 00:15.56 | seebs | I've done some of it, and what I basically can't figure out how to do is Make It Do Stuff. |
| 00:16.22 | seebs | I can move items around just fine, but last time I looked, I couldn't use usable items, buy/sell, interact with salvaging type powers, etc. |
| 00:16.54 | ZorbaBeta | hrm, yeah. a good deal of that isn't possible |
| 00:17.01 | seebs | Equipping works because that's just moving, except I don't think there's a way to distinguish between "right click should move this into equipment" and "right click should move this into wardrobe". |
| 00:17.30 | ZorbaBeta | alright, I'll see what I can do to enable general item-like functionality. it'll probably be similar to how SetMouseoverUnit works |
| 00:17.44 | seebs | I got as far in LootSorter as "hey, I should totally make this actually usable as a bag", then I realized I couldn't. :P |
| 00:17.56 | seebs | Yeah, that seems like it'd be perfectly suitable. |
| 00:18.06 | ZorbaBeta | I should probably open up the suggestions thread to medium suggestions |
| 00:18.12 | aestil | this is outstanding. even if i don't completely understand it. |
| 00:18.52 | seebs | I need an API call to make the former roommate I wanted to go out for dinner and shopping with wake up. |
| 00:19.11 | ZorbaBeta | I think that might have to wait for the major suggestion thread. |
| 00:19.55 | seebs | Yeah. API-wise, the biggest things I actually want for my personal applications are chat functionality and data storage/registration. |
| 00:22.03 | seebs | Oh, also, I want the GMs to have a tool for "this account can no longer play on RP servers", and use it, so the griefers stop driving away what little RP remains. |
| 00:22.30 | seebs | I am pretty sure that, in the absence of continued harassment of RPers, there would be enough left to justify more than one RP server in NA. |
| 00:26.31 | aestil | I have to wrap my head around the use of Macro's in rift |
| 00:26.44 | aestil | my character is still lowbie |
| 00:29.50 | seebs | Honestly, I haven't bothered. The stuff they can do, I'd rather do manually, and the stuff they can't do is what I'd have wanted. |
| 00:31.46 | ZorbaBeta | yay new sound card. finally stop fighting with that byzantine system I had rigged up for capable sound |
| 00:34.04 | seebs | hee |
| 00:34.33 | seebs | At one point in the dim and distant past, my primary desktop was a Mac Mini running NetBSD using a USB sound widget because of madness with the mini's native audio hardware. |
| 00:35.57 | ZorbaBeta | I had a rather nice external USB device on my old computer |
| 00:36.09 | ZorbaBeta | unfortunately, while the volume control was flaky on xp, it turns out to be completely dysfunctional on win7 |
| 00:36.09 | aestil | zorbabeta how old is your computer? Anything in the last 4 years should have a pretty decent on board audio chip on the motherboard? |
| 00:36.15 | aestil | are you doing sound editing or something? |
| 00:36.24 | ZorbaBeta | aestil, about four months. I'm an audio nut, I really really like good sound quality |
| 00:36.46 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not the "spend $5000 on wires" kind of audio nut, but I'm most definitely the "spend $60 on a better sound card" kind. |
| 00:36.57 | aestil | *nods* |
| 00:37.00 | seebs | Are you the kind of audio nut who buys $3000 audio cables that label the signal end and the receiver end? |
| 00:37.15 | aestil | you have really nice monitors they are playing out of, or high end headphones with a headphone amp? |
| 00:37.24 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, my ethernet cables are low impedence so the bits don't get lost. and they're physically isolated from seismic vibrations. |
| 00:37.32 | aestil | lol |
| 00:37.39 | ZorbaBeta | aestil, high-end headphones, though my amp died |
| 00:37.47 | ZorbaBeta | this sound card is proving easily capable of driving them, however |
| 00:37.51 | ZorbaBeta | Sennheiser HD-650s |
| 00:38.15 | seebs | I used to hang out on a PS3 forum, where there were many people who would INSIST that they got more vibrant colors using name-brand HDMI cables. |
| 00:38.44 | aestil | Those are nice. |
| 00:38.46 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's definitely possible to buy HDMI cables that work badly, but the failuire mode isn't that :P |
| 00:38.54 | aestil | the sound card has a powered headphone output? |
| 00:39.09 | ZorbaBeta | I think it's just powered in general. I had to plug in a separate power connector for it |
| 00:39.12 | aestil | i would say 99% of people shouldn't buy a soundcard with what is available on even the cheapest of motherboards. |
| 00:39.25 | seebs | I just wish motherboard vendors would stop using realtek's crap. |
| 00:39.30 | aestil | you are certainly in the 1% :D |
| 00:39.39 | ZorbaBeta | about 20% of the sound card's volume is quite sufficient for listening, so, hey |
| 00:39.41 | aestil | it's cheap and effective for almost everyone. |
| 00:39.42 | seebs | Seriously, I will pay two bucks in oder to have an ethernet chipset that sucks less. |
| 00:39.45 | seebs | order |
| 00:39.50 | aestil | no kidding there |
| 00:39.51 | ZorbaBeta | yeah most people just don't have the hardware to matter |
| 00:39.53 | seebs | Eh, it's cheap, but it's insanely bad. |
| 00:39.55 | aestil | put an intel chipset in. |
| 00:39.59 | seebs | And their drivers. Wow. |
| 00:40.05 | ZorbaBeta | one thing I like about good audio hardware is it lasts *forever* |
| 00:40.20 | ZorbaBeta | I've had this pair of headphones since it was released, and all I've had to do is replace the pads once and the wires a few times |
| 00:40.47 | ZorbaBeta | looks like the sucker's almost a decade old by now |
| 00:41.08 | seebs | I have a tablet which has this amazing trait: In sleep mode, if the headphone jack is plugged into a mixer or amp, it makes horrible high-pitched squealing noises. |
| 00:41.47 | aestil | that's an awesome feature seebs |
| 00:41.53 | ZorbaBeta | I had a very *very* old computer that had such bad isolation between the cpu and the soundcard that you could actually turn the speakers up and listen to the audio patterns. it made different sounds based on what the CPU was doing |
| 00:42.13 | seebs | G4 mac did that. It would chirp horribly under mild load. AUDIBLY. |
| 00:42.22 | ZorbaBeta | (this was back in the "zomg, your computer has a *sound card*?" days) |
| 00:42.26 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 00:42.28 | ZorbaBeta | (pretty sure it had a full meg of RAM too) |
| 00:42.45 | seebs | And a laptop where mouse movement and ethernet induced squealing and clicking in audio. Ugh. |
| 00:43.17 | aestil | Thats REALLY OLD |
| 00:43.22 | aestil | anything could do that |
| 00:43.27 | aestil | was saturating one of the busses? |
| 00:43.32 | aestil | I can't remember that bus name |
| 00:44.33 | aestil | 1 week turn on a product for a customer |
| 00:44.40 | aestil | took 1 week to answer all the EQ's. |
| 00:44.46 | aestil | customer will not be happy |
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