| 00:10.34 | ZorbaGama | it's always worth including a little unexpected awesome :V |
| 00:12.45 | seebs | Zorba! |
| 00:12.57 | ZorbaGama | heya :) how's it goin'? |
| 00:12.59 | seebs | I call to your attention a thing which may be worth waving at Trion people because it could become a nuisance. |
| 00:13.13 | seebs | Someone recently posted a list of gaming companies which support SOPA, and Trion was on the list. I can find no confirmation of this. |
| 00:13.32 | seebs | But given how furious people are (GoDaddy lost 70k domains overnight on this), it might be worth issuing a statement. |
| 00:13.38 | seebs | Especially if it's a firm denial. |
| 00:13.40 | ZorbaGama | ah, yeah, I was just looking at that. I'll send it off to Community. |
| 00:14.06 | seebs | I have looked at a couple of lists, they don't include Trion, but... You never know what some random guy over in Marketing will think the company's name should be on. |
| 00:14.25 | seebs | ooh, thread already closed. |
| 00:14.38 | ZorbaGama | or maybe I won't send it off to community. man, they move fast |
| 00:15.04 | seebs | I gotta say. This is one of the few things I could think of that would make me seriously think about whether to keep my accounts up. |
| 00:15.11 | seebs | That is a really, really, fucked up bit of legislation. |
| 00:15.21 | ZorbaGama | for what it's worth, I did search for "trion worlds sopa" on google, and the only on-topic hit was the exact thread you're referring to |
| 00:15.27 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 00:15.43 | seebs | I went and looked at some other things like lists of supporters, didn't see Trion listed. So it could well be some random troll. |
| 00:16.07 | ZorbaGama | yeah, if we *did* come out and publicly back it, I'd be going to Scott tomorrow and telling him it was totally uncool. :) That's just me, of course, not a company position, but |
| 00:16.52 | seebs | Yeah, it... well, I don't know the main Trion people that well, but nothing I've seen from the Rift folks makes it seem like the sort of thing they'd support. |
| 00:17.00 | seebs | Companies that encourage their players to write fanfic are not normally insane. |
| 00:18.01 | ZorbaGama | yeah, I wouldn't expect any official statement on this, just from the whole "don't talk politics" thing. :) |
| 00:19.39 | seebs | Sony and Nintendo have both apparently publically stated that they don't support it. |
| 00:19.53 | seebs | And really, when *Sony* refuses to endorse an allegedly anti-piracy law? That's saying something. |
| 00:20.40 | ZorbaGama | yeah, seriously |
| 00:21.14 | seebs | This is like having Westboro Baptist come out and say that they feel a law is too restrictive of gay rights. |
| 00:22.07 | ZorbaGama | Or the Church of Scientology saying, hey, maybe the rules for a religious tax-free organization should be a *little* stricter, don't you think |
| 00:22.53 | seebs | *snerk* |
| 00:51.34 | seebs | BTW: I can find no evidence that Trion supports SOPA. Apparently the ESA does, and Trion's a member. And we all know that the ESA would NEVER do anything that screwed their members. |
| 00:58.03 | Kreiri | and 'ESA" is? |
| 00:58.33 | seebs | Entertainment Software Association. |
| 00:59.08 | seebs | If memory serves, they're in the category of industry associations you join in the hopes of being able to urge them to STFU and stop hurting your business. |
| 01:00.15 | ZorbaGama | http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/general-discussion/289248-trion-worlds-supports-sopa-3.html#post3497408 |
| 01:00.30 | ZorbaGama | hopefully that is a satisfying answer :) |
| 01:04.06 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 01:07.05 | seebs | Woah. |
| 01:07.18 | seebs | That took under an hour, so far as I can tell. I interpret this as a pretty strong response. |
| 01:07.46 | seebs | Oh, wait. An hour and ten minutes. Man, that Hartsman is such a lazy bum. |
| 01:08.32 | ZorbaGama | Part of it was luck, to be honest, all the right people happened to be on. But we've also got a rather shallow administrative structure and people have a good sense for what's important. So this sort of thing reaches the top echelons quite quickly :) |
| 01:09.40 | seebs | So I see. |
| 01:22.35 | Kreiri | I wonder why players can name their pet "Jesus", but not "Steve" |
| 01:22.46 | seebs | Probably an oversight. |
| 01:26.09 | seebs | Back in the day, I spent ages getting a troll hunter over to a lowish-level white bear so I could name it BlîzzardBear and have it next to my Baby Blizzard Bear. |
| 01:27.37 | seebs | The character was named Obvius and I would give people EXTREMELY helpful answers. |
| 01:27.46 | seebs | "Where is the Alliance raid on Orgrimmar?" "Durotar." |
| 01:28.20 | seebs | "Can anyone craft a [some weapon]?" "No, only weaponsmiths." |
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| 01:31.39 | lXl-M | Lol I got left by myself at work |
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| 07:08.15 | lXl1 | http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/general-discussion/289248-trion-worlds-supports-sopa-3.html#post3497408 |
| 07:08.16 | lXl1 | GO HARTSMAN |
| 07:13.32 | seebs | Yeah. Hope my snarky response to the guy saying he thinks SOPA is necessary doesn't make too much extra work for the mods. |
| 07:13.39 | lXl1 | Lol |
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| 10:10.25 | starlon | Why don't people talk more about the anti-circumvention clause? Doesn't it outlaw just about all network software, including OS and web browsers? |
| 10:11.37 | starlon | then again I haven't read the bill, so yeah |
| 10:13.42 | lXl1 | ? |
| 10:14.46 | starlon | SOPA's anti-circumvention clause |
| 10:14.53 | starlon | Or Protect IP's |
| 10:14.59 | starlon | I'm not sure if SOPA has it. |
| 10:15.38 | starlon | Says software that can be used to circumvent the DNS blocing is illegal |
| 10:15.47 | starlon | s/bloc/block/ |
| 10:16.41 | starlon | Banning software is a very dangerous act |
| 10:26.07 | seebs | Yeah, that's incoherent. Attempting to ban circumvention is pointless. |
| 10:26.18 | seebs | That's also one of my big objections to DMCA. Anything can be a circumvention device. |
| 10:28.02 | starlon | yep |
| 11:23.44 | starlon | So what's the swtor channel? |
| 11:24.48 | starlon | I was going to buy it in Jan, but I remembered I'm on Linux. heh |
| 16:03.34 | Kreiri | Is there a breadcrumb quest to Ember Isle? |
| 18:41.13 | seebs | I thought there was, but I don't remember now. |
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