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| 00:28.10 | seebs | It's been at LEAST six hours since Zorba posted on the forums, is he okay? |
| 01:17.09 | starlon | lol |
| 01:17.20 | starlon | I hope he's ok anyways. |
| 01:17.30 | starlon | I doubt he got into a wreck or anything. |
| 01:18.05 | starlon | did you see that 3 million dollar pileup? |
| 01:18.41 | seebs | ? |
| 01:18.57 | seebs | oh, wow |
| 01:19.02 | starlon | some expensive cars got into a wreck |
| 01:19.50 | seebs | I am sort of trying to feel bad for those people, but it's not easy. |
| 01:20.05 | seebs | One of my friends is considering it a major victory to have negotiated for $16/month in food stamps. |
| 01:20.10 | starlon | hehe |
| 01:22.00 | seebs | <-- not very good with money, myself |
| 01:24.30 | starlon | me either |
| 01:40.44 | starlon | lua> string.format("%2x%2x%2x", 128, 0, 128) |
| 01:40.55 | starlon | :\ |
| 01:42.12 | seebs | I think you mean %02x |
| 01:42.40 | starlon | yeah |
| 01:42.41 | starlon | hehe |
| 01:42.44 | starlon | oh |
| 01:42.50 | starlon | that's what I was trying to show |
| 01:42.59 | starlon | it's 80 080 |
| 01:43.15 | seebs | ayup |
| 01:43.33 | seebs | The other common mistake is not ensuring that they're really in the 0-255 range. |
| 01:45.32 | starlon | nods |
| 01:46.12 | seebs | The flags are, as I recall, [ +-0#]. |
| 01:46.20 | seebs | You very rarely need any of them but 0. |
| 01:46.43 | starlon | ah |
| 01:47.07 | starlon | I wonder how I can make this colorchooser's colors color safe. |
| 01:47.30 | seebs | - is left-adjusted, + is print plus signs explicitly, ' ' is print a space instead of a plus for positive values so they line up with negative, 0 is leading 0s, # is "alternative format". |
| 01:47.40 | seebs | Which means leading 0x or 0 for hex or octal, and I think affects float too. |
| 01:47.50 | starlon | nods. |
| 01:48.01 | starlon | there's also . right? |
| 01:48.12 | starlon | %.2f |
| 01:48.23 | seebs | yeah, that's not a flag though. |
| 01:48.27 | starlon | ah |
| 01:48.32 | seebs | it's %<flags><width><.precision><specifier> |
| 01:48.40 | starlon | Oh |
| 01:48.44 | seebs | Everything but the % and the specificer is optional. |
| 01:48.55 | starlon | cool |
| 01:49.42 | seebs | And if the specifier is %, I'm pretty sure including any of the others is an error. :) |
| 01:50.23 | seebs | In C, but I think not in Lua, you can use * as a width or precision, and the corresponding value is yoinked from the argument list. |
| 01:50.44 | seebs | printf(1) supports it, though. |
| 01:59.59 | starlon | ah |
| 02:00.46 | seebs | Remember, if you want to know something obscure about C, I'm your guy. :) |
| 02:01.33 | starlon | hehe |
| 02:31.38 | starlon | Is [%3d|%2d|%1d] supposed to short circuit? |
| 02:33.14 | seebs | I do not understand the question. |
| 02:34.13 | seebs | As a pattern, I *think* that matches any of %, d, |, 1, 2, or 3. |
| 02:34.22 | seebs | wait. |
| 02:34.25 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 02:34.39 | seebs | I'm not sure, but I *thought* that %-things only worked outside of []. But my memory is pants. |
| 02:34.47 | starlon | oh |
| 02:34.59 | starlon | you're right |
| 02:35.48 | seebs | I don't think Lua patterns can do alternation of anything larger than single characters. |
| 02:36.04 | seebs | So you can't do anything comparable to a regex (aa)|(bb) |
| 02:36.21 | seebs | What you probably can do is match on %d+ and then count length. |
| 02:37.02 | starlon | oh |
| 02:37.32 | seebs | The reason patterns are limited, as I understand it, is that a complete POSIX regexp implementation is comparable in size to the whole of Lua. :) |
| 02:39.22 | starlon | yeah it wors with the + |
| 02:39.28 | starlon | s/wors/works/ |
| 02:39.33 | seebs | Lua is a brilliant example of a small language. |
| 02:39.39 | starlon | :) |
| 02:39.50 | seebs | They did a very good job of having "good enough" for about 90% of stuff. |
| 02:39.57 | starlon | hehe |
| 02:40.07 | seebs | You can't use their patterns to completely implement a reasonable quoting scheme, but so what? You can iterate through by characters. |
| 02:40.28 | seebs | But things I can't reasonably do with patterns are rare. |
| 02:44.33 | ZorbaTHut | And if it's not good enough, adding new libraries is really, really easy :) |
| 02:44.38 | ZorbaTHut | (well, not when you're in the rift api, but) |
| 02:45.16 | seebs | I have this vague thought of doing a timer library for stuff like "do X in Y seconds". |
| 02:45.31 | ZorbaTHut | Wouldn't be tough at all. |
| 02:45.53 | seebs | The big problem I see is that if I do this, I'm going to wear my fingers to little nubs responding to people who want me to add ability usage to it. |
| 02:46.11 | seebs | I wrote one of those once at a job, where the manager chose the linked list thing to micromanage. |
| 02:46.15 | ZorbaTHut | make a faq and copy-paste it to everyone :V |
| 02:46.25 | seebs | His idea was that there should be List objects and List Item objects. |
| 02:46.44 | seebs | And that instead of using some random thing like a null pointer as the "no next item" sentinel, you should use the List object as the sentinel. |
| 02:46.59 | seebs | To this day, I have always wondered what on earth he was thinking. |
| 02:47.17 | ZorbaTHut | I was forced through an intro-to-programming class in college that had what was the worst data structure I've ever seen |
| 02:47.23 | seebs | oooh? |
| 02:47.32 | seebs | <-- never took a CS class for funny historical reasons |
| 02:47.34 | ZorbaTHut | make an abstract Node class, with an abstract Traverse function |
| 02:47.49 | ZorbaTHut | now you can make a bunch of concrete Node's. For example, NodeTerminator! And NodeLink! And NodeTree! |
| 02:48.10 | seebs | what the fuck |
| 02:48.22 | ZorbaTHut | If you want to do anything on your data structure, extend the Traverser class and pass that in for it to recursively enumerate |
| 02:48.28 | seebs | You know, I've ... aghghhgah |
| 02:48.39 | ZorbaTHut | end result: a data structure with no fixed form, where doing *anything* on it - at all, including counting the number of elements - requires two recursive virtual function calls per node. |
| 02:48.45 | seebs | I've seen people say stuff like "we should have a generic Container interface that's the same for lists and arrays." |
| 02:48.54 | seebs | Because the usage patterns are SO similar. |
| 02:48.55 | ZorbaTHut | Also, the only operations supported are "add things to the head" and "traverse the entire container". |
| 02:49.20 | seebs | Long ago, I had an AWESOME job. Well. They fired me for being incompetent, but it was a great job experience. |
| 02:49.26 | ZorbaTHut | I actually ran into that similar problem when interviewing at Google. The interviewer wanted me to make an API for a matrix |
| 02:49.41 | seebs | Bunch of FORTRAN programmers who had replaced an entire large FORTRAN thing with a shiny new thing written in Shiny New C++. |
| 02:49.46 | ZorbaTHut | I had a lot of trouble getting him to understand that there are two dramatically different and incompatible matrix layouts |
| 02:49.52 | seebs | Only TWO? |
| 02:49.53 | seebs | :) |
| 02:50.03 | ZorbaTHut | most of the other ones are basically an optimization of those two :) |
| 02:50.25 | seebs | The program had a case-insensitive compare, which was used VERY often. Which worked by allocating space for case-smashed copies of each string. |
| 02:50.27 | seebs | And then freeing it. |
| 02:50.34 | seebs | They had HORRIBLE performance problems because C++ sucked. |
| 02:50.41 | seebs | The best, though? |
| 02:50.42 | ZorbaTHut | oy, why would you even do that |
| 02:50.51 | seebs | There was a *single* virtual void function in their List class. (This predated STL.) |
| 02:51.01 | seebs | There was EXACTLY one implementation. |
| 02:51.14 | ZorbaTHut | augh :V |
| 02:51.19 | seebs | If the display was in one particular configuration, and you were using one particular interface, you could use List::Draw() on one particular list. |
| 02:51.30 | seebs | Not lists of one particular subclass. One. Specific. Item. |
| 02:51.40 | ZorbaTHut | I remember seeing some horrifying image API where each pixel was a virtual class |
| 02:51.54 | seebs | And EVERY call to EVERYTHING that touched lists took a speed hit for this. |
| 02:52.20 | seebs | The reason I got fired is that, being autistic, I did not understand why, having hired someone to do QA, the developers complained when I told them their code sucked. |
| 02:52.23 | ZorbaTHut | In fairness, just calling a member of list won't be any slower - though creating and destroying lists sure would be. |
| 02:52.40 | seebs | I did fix at least one problem for them. They upgraded the FORTRAN compiler (there were some calls back and forth), and suddenly stuff stopped working. |
| 02:52.43 | seebs | They had: |
| 02:53.06 | seebs | #define FORTRAN_TRUE(x) ((x) & 0x100) |
| 02:53.16 | seebs | I suggested they try taking the & out. |
| 02:53.36 | seebs | And sure enough, it turns out that .TRUE. was still always non-zero, and .FALSE. was still always 0. But it was no longer always exactly 256 when true. |
| 02:53.57 | ZorbaTHut | I'm really curious why they had that in the first place |
| 02:54.17 | seebs | I suspect, given how they did stuff: Someone printf'd a .TRUE., discovered that it was 256, and wrote code to check for it. |
| 02:54.50 | seebs | They once had me spend an entire day tracking down a user-reported error, which was that the old fortran code and the new C++ code were reporting different values for something. |
| 02:55.00 | seebs | About 6 hours in I found the transposed digits in the inputs. |
| 02:55.18 | seebs | And finally, there is the most glorious of all. The "Param" class. |
| 02:55.27 | seebs | Param was basically a variable. Thus, a float or double or something. |
| 02:55.31 | seebs | Or a string. |
| 02:55.49 | seebs | They were religiously dogmatic about Get<Member> and Set<Member> names. |
| 02:56.14 | seebs | So they had SetParamValue(float), SetParamValue(char *), SetParamValue(int), and so on. |
| 02:56.29 | seebs | Params also had an aux storage object, so there were SetParamAux(void *) and GetParamAux(). |
| 02:56.45 | seebs | As a convenience to the user, SetParamValue(void *) modified the aux object instead of the value. |
| 02:57.12 | ZorbaTHut | that sounds extraordinarily inconvenient :V |
| 02:58.07 | seebs | It was surreal. |
| 02:58.34 | seebs | I spent weeks trying to convince them that SOME degree of automation of the creation of trouble tickets would be an improvement over hand-editing an ASCII form. |
| 02:59.45 | seebs | Good learning experience, though. I learned a lot about the real world from them. |
| 02:59.54 | seebs | Also the first time I meant someone who worked as a programmer and hated computers. |
| 03:00.09 | seebs | His rationale was that it paid well, but he didn't enjoy using computers. I don't think he even HAD one at home. |
| 03:00.12 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, sometimes the best way to learn how to do something right is to deal with someone who's doing it wrong |
| 03:01.00 | seebs | I gotta sleep, I think. I have to take a friend in to the autism specialist for a possible diagnosis. |
| 03:01.12 | ZorbaTHut | sleep well, and good luck |
| 03:01.16 | seebs | If this friend is autistic, this will be the third person in a row I've brought to the local autism folks for a diagnosis. |
| 03:01.24 | seebs | And the third transgendered one in a row, for that matter. |
| 03:01.39 | seebs | I have transcended mere statistical anomaly. I am *obviously impossible*. |
| 03:02.29 | ZorbaTHut | logic dictates it! :D |
| 03:04.02 | seebs | BTW, Zorba, you should applaud the community people. They finally did close the GLBT guilds thread, but it ran around 200 posts over a week without descending into a flame war. |
| 03:04.12 | seebs | This is probably the most impressive feat of MMO forum moderation I have EVER seen. |
| 03:04.25 | ZorbaTHut | that's pretty dang impressive, I didn't see that thread |
| 03:04.50 | seebs | It was amazing. We had maybe two obvious trolls/liars, and the rest was people discussing issues, asking questions, *and listening to answers*. |
| 03:05.11 | seebs | http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/general-discussion/282429-lgbt-guilds-raid.html |
| 03:05.24 | seebs | I am amazed. I seriously did not think you could do that in an MMO forum. |
| 03:05.55 | seebs | Closed quickly? Sure. Descended into flames? Sure. Went on for a week or so, everyone got to make points, closed because it was getting repetitive? That's a new one. |
| 03:08.57 | ZorbaTHut | that's quite a well-written thread. good stuff in there |
| 03:09.49 | starlon | So I guess I need to create a palette of these web safe colors and dither what I'm creating programically.. no easier way? |
| 03:10.18 | starlon | Or dunno. whatever |
| 03:12.52 | starlon | I just need to figure out the approximate color within the color safe palette. |
| 03:13.04 | starlon | thinking outload |
| 03:13.22 | starlon | looking at wikipedia heh |
| 03:13.29 | starlon | I'm pro |
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| 06:07.38 | hp94 | goooood evening everyone |
| 06:10.06 | Cairenn | hi hp94 |
| 06:10.16 | hp94 | hey cairenn |
| 06:10.25 | Cairenn | How goes? |
| 06:11.17 | hp94 | Alright, but as always I ran into a small coding problem |
| 06:11.29 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 06:13.20 | hp94 | The sql command 1 AND SLEEP(5)-- makes my server sleep for 5 seconds, but it also gives me a 'query failed' error. |
| 06:15.32 | hp94 | specifically: mysite.com/page=1 AND SLEEP(5)-- |
| 06:17.05 | hp94 | I can barely spell sql let alone program with it ( /sadface ) |
| 06:22.43 | starlon | Anyone know the answer to my question here? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8395680/finding-the-closest-web-safe-color-if-i-have-a-palette |
| 06:27.23 | starlon | I get a real cool sunburst thing with this algorithm. But it's not right. |
| 06:30.10 | hp94 | I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do - you're giving them an option to input anything in rgb from 0-255, but want to limit the choices to 255/1, 255/2, 255/3, 255/4, 255/5, and choose the closest to what the user wanted? |
| 06:41.05 | starlon | http://imgur.com/4vTPT |
| 06:41.10 | starlon | Got it :) |
| 06:41.32 | starlon | I'm not sure what the heck people were talking about. Someone gave a different solution and it worked. |
| 06:43.28 | starlon | It's an ugly color picker. |
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| 06:56.29 | starlon | a websafe color picker :D |
| 06:57.17 | starlon | flexes his stackoverflow.com prowess. |
| 06:57.36 | starlon | It's a great resource. |
| 07:11.33 | starlon | This is why I suck at programming. Math knowledge is way handy. |
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| 10:22.47 | starlon | Holy crap I'm freezing. |
| 10:22.55 | lXl | What are you freezing |
| 10:22.57 | starlon | Just realized. It's fucking COLD |
| 10:28.27 | lXl | I'm starting to learn how much Netflix I've actually watched |
| 10:28.42 | lXl | All the seasons of shows I've watched |
| 10:35.35 | starlon | Netflix pissed me off with an imcomplete mini-series called The Way we Live NOw. |
| 10:35.51 | starlon | 3rd one was actually the 2nd over again |
| 10:58.39 | lXl | That happens just report it |
| 11:11.14 | starlon | The Grinch who stole the Whitehouse- http://imgur.com/MJTi1 |
| 11:11.17 | starlon | is bad. |
| 11:30.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:31.23 | Cairenn | Who is she? |
| 11:31.36 | Cairenn | Is that the first lady? |
| 11:36.20 | starlon | yes :) |
| 11:42.16 | lXl | Starlon |
| 11:42.19 | lXl | 32.5 :) |
| 11:43.26 | starlon | temperature? |
| 11:43.30 | lXl | Level |
| 11:43.31 | starlon | feels colder |
| 11:43.34 | starlon | oh |
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| 14:07.33 | BuGi | hmmh, why is queuing for a specific dungeon so much slower than using random :( |
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| 18:31.53 | RagebeastRT | Anyone around that could point me to a routine that would compare 2 simple tables. Feeling braindead atm |
| 18:33.26 | RagebeastRT | example of the tables would be {group01, group02, group06, group18} and {group01, group02, group06, group17} |
| 18:33.44 | RagebeastRT | actually, the tables could be different sizes as well |
| 18:34.51 | RagebeastRT | trying to eliminate all the other strings pull for Inspect.Unit.List, save to a table, then check to see if table got changed, and if so, run a routine. |
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| 20:54.08 | BuGi | Is there a reason that the table given by Event.Ability.Cooldown.End sometimes includes only one ability, even when the GCD is ending (=all abilities are coming off cd)? |
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