| 00:00.33 | Dramiel1 | you want to have a hole in your frame? :p |
| 00:00.44 | Marru_Home | well sorta |
| 00:00.52 | Marru_Home | i want the ability to do that |
| 00:01.29 | Marru_Home | like, have a frame as a border and set transparency on the frame inside and not deal the the border bein behind it |
| 00:01.31 | Marru_Home | if that makes sense? |
| 00:02.40 | Marru_Home | oh, is there a way to listen for the escape key? |
| 00:33.26 | *** join/#riftuidev Ingshtrom (~Ingshtrom@173-24-8-129.client.mchsi.com) |
| 00:33.37 | seebs | I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if the answer were "no". |
| 00:34.03 | seebs | MMO users are prone to failures, you need some way to prevent them from rebinding everything so they can't do anything, and keeping escape reserved is one solution. |
| 00:57.03 | starlon | damnit I need to isntall PTS client. How long till 1.6 comes out? |
| 00:57.21 | starlon | "It's already out, starlon, silly." |
| 01:01.39 | seebs | They're on to you, Zorba: http://xkcd.com/974 |
| 01:02.54 | Torhal | obfuscates starlon's interwebs. |
| 01:03.10 | starlon | Ok, running ./configure I get "AM_PATH_ALSA" not found in library.... twice.. two times. At the end it says "possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_ALSA" -- possibly. You told me twice it was definitely not there. |
| 01:04.43 | seebs | autoconf can be basically summed up: Meth's a hell of a drug. Ultrix is worse. |
| 01:14.29 | *** join/#riftuidev Kreiri (~Miranda@109.227.122.240) |
| 01:14.50 | Kreiri | Hi |
| 01:18.39 | Kreiri | anyone in here? |
| 01:18.46 | Hyperi | try /names |
| 01:18.51 | Hyperi | or /who #RiftUIDev |
| 01:19.15 | Hyperi | 03:19:04 Irssi: #RiftUIDev: Total of 34 nicks (4 ops, 0 halfops, 4 voices, 26 normal) |
| 01:19.21 | Hyperi | (Short answer would've been: Yes :P) |
| 01:19.43 | Hyperi | But to honor seebs link, it'll save time in a long run when you learn to check yourself ^^ |
| 01:20.14 | Hyperi | I'll give you another freebie: Don't ask to ask, just ask. :> |
| 01:20.33 | Hyperi | That's one of the most enforced "rule" in IRC support(-alike) channels :> |
| 01:20.50 | seebs | Reason it's so important: I might be AFK, but when I come back I'll page through recent stuff. |
| 01:21.06 | seebs | So if you wait to ask your question until someone's actually actively reading the window, you'll miss out on a lot of good answers. |
| 01:21.27 | Hyperi | seebs: I feel so tempted to paste quote from you ;P |
| 01:22.17 | seebs | Is it from one of the many times when I've ignored one or more of those rules? Or is it one of my completely-unhelpful answers? :) |
| 01:24.05 | Hyperi | completely unhelpful :P |
| 01:24.11 | Hyperi | How it helps more than being quiet |
| 01:24.13 | Hyperi | ^^ |
| 01:24.31 | Hyperi | But Kreiri did you have a question or were just curious? :P |
| 01:24.56 | Kreiri | I have a context and a riftwindow. When I call SetPoint("CENTER", context, "CENTER", 0, 0) on this window, it appears in the top left corner. |
| 01:25.16 | Hyperi | Have you checked the parameters for SetPoint ? |
| 01:25.28 | Hyperi | Wild guess would be those last 0,0 being x & y coordinates |
| 01:25.37 | Hyperi | 0,0 = top left corner :> |
| 01:25.54 | seebs | I would think they were offset from the stated point. |
| 01:26.09 | seebs | So 0,0 would mean the center of this window should be 0,0 away from the center of context. |
| 01:26.23 | Hyperi | ah |
| 01:26.23 | Kreiri | in the middle of the screen, in other words |
| 01:26.46 | Hyperi | You're positive the context is in center ? |
| 01:28.18 | Kreiri | local context = UI.CreateContext("KBBUIcontext") |
| 01:28.37 | Hyperi | seebs: When created new context, are they set 0,0 by default ? |
| 01:28.55 | seebs | I don't know, the key is that there's two CENTERS, so whatever context is, the new window should be centered on it. |
| 01:29.06 | Kreiri | Before I had to take a break from Rift, settings frame's center to context's center set it in the center of the screen |
| 01:29.07 | seebs | Of course, if context itself is in the upper-left... |
| 01:29.30 | Hyperi | break? |
| 01:29.35 | Hyperi | Aren't addons kinda brand new stuff? |
| 01:29.55 | Kreiri | lost job, financial troubles, yada yada yada |
| 01:31.05 | Hyperi | Kreiri: I didn't mean it like that, but I'm sorry to hear about those :/ |
| 01:31.32 | Kreiri | Well, I got a new job last month :) |
| 01:31.44 | seebs | Glad to hear it! |
| 01:31.51 | Hyperi | ^^ what he said :> |
| 01:35.43 | Hyperi | Kreiri: Did you double-check your context? :> |
| 01:40.33 | starlon | sigh bad hard drive :( |
| 01:41.33 | Hyperi | starlon: Did you spank it hard? :> |
| 01:41.48 | starlon | nah, trying to be gentle |
| 01:44.14 | Hyperi | aww, softie :> |
| 01:45.42 | starlon | I'm burying this one in a bed of roses, my friend. |
| 01:46.07 | starlon | That may not be good for the roses though. |
| 01:46.59 | seebs | I am SO ready for an auction API. |
| 01:47.11 | seebs | I have ~80ish items that I want to remove from my bags by listing them. |
| 01:47.29 | Hyperi | haha :D |
| 01:47.29 | starlon | hehe yep |
| 01:47.49 | Hyperi | Well I would be cool with enhancements to the original auction house |
| 01:47.51 | seebs | And lots of stacks of two or three. |
| 01:48.01 | starlon | I want player.mousever.mouseover |
| 01:48.17 | seebs | Anything short of "let me memorize prices for things and auto-post all of them" will fail to solve my problem, I think. |
| 01:48.34 | Hyperi | mousever ? |
| 01:48.40 | Hyperi | == MouseEvent ? |
| 01:48.46 | Marru_Home | kreiri, if ur still havin the issue with the riftwindow, after creating ur context call context:SetAllPoints(UIParent) |
| 01:49.01 | starlon | the player's mouseover's mouseover. |
| 01:49.16 | Hyperi | wth is mouseover's mouseover? :o |
| 01:49.26 | starlon | It's Penguin speak. Learn it. |
| 01:49.26 | seebs | Exactly what it sounds like. |
| 01:49.32 | Marru_Home | who the person you mousing over is mousing over |
| 01:49.36 | starlon | waddles off. |
| 01:49.42 | seebs | If I have mouse cursor on a player, mouseover mouseover would be the thing they have their cursor on. |
| 01:49.42 | Hyperi | Silly naming |
| 01:49.52 | seebs | If you call it on an NPC, you would presumably get nil. |
| 01:49.57 | Hyperi | Player.MouseEvent.MouseOver ? |
| 01:50.00 | Hyperi | Why MouseOver.MouseOver |
| 01:50.05 | Hyperi | that sounds .... silly |
| 01:50.10 | starlon | I think it'd be cool to monitor people's mouseovers |
| 01:50.34 | Marru_Home | lua bot starlon = "troll", if starlon == "troll" then print("Starlon is a troll") end |
| 01:50.41 | Marru_Home | damnit! |
| 01:50.45 | starlon | I'm not trolling. |
| 01:50.48 | Marru_Home | lua bot> starlon = "troll", if starlon == "troll" then print("Starlon is a troll") end |
| 01:50.58 | Marru_Home | fml... and you sorta are lol |
| 01:51.07 | Kreiri | it worked |
| 01:51.09 | starlon | lua bot>os.abort() |
| 01:51.10 | Marru_Home | but its funny trolling |
| 01:51.37 | Marru_Home | Kreiri, so what happened is frames are created as 0x0 blocks at top left of screen, contexts to |
| 01:51.46 | Marru_Home | so the center of ur context would be the very top left of screen |
| 01:52.01 | Marru_Home | you could also have done SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER") |
| 01:52.01 | Hyperi | Kreiri: yay \o/ :> |
| 01:52.03 | Kreiri | So ~that's~ what changed. |
| 01:53.14 | Marru_Home | make sense? |
| 01:53.20 | Kreiri | Yes. |
| 01:53.25 | Marru_Home | sweet |
| 01:53.36 | Marru_Home | im pretty high, so wanted to make sure i wasn't spouting gibberish lol |
| 01:54.28 | Hyperi | Kreiri: (Try to get Marru_Home as a very good friend. He's masochist) |
| 01:55.20 | Marru_Home | also i enjoy writing menu interface windows, so if you wanna debug my addons id write u a menu :) |
| 01:55.37 | Hyperi | ;P |
| 01:55.50 | Marru_Home | thats what u were reffering to right hyperi? lol |
| 01:55.57 | Hyperi | Naturally ;) |
| 01:56.00 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 01:57.11 | Hyperi | meh |
| 01:57.15 | Hyperi | work in 10.5h |
| 01:57.23 | Hyperi | should prolly sleep some |
| 01:59.12 | Marru_Home | never! |
| 02:01.29 | Marru_Home | ugh |
| 02:01.42 | Marru_Home | coding while high, i love it but sometimes its terrible |
| 02:02.19 | starlon | o.O |
| 02:02.30 | starlon | Never code high. Parts go missing. |
| 02:03.04 | seebs | My brain chemistry is weird enough already, I avoid most psychoactives. |
| 02:03.07 | starlon | turned out today's parts was a faulty hard drive :) |
| 02:03.14 | Marru_Home | lol no, im high as fuck right now and im reading through an old section of my RiftCount addon, and I just noticed how incredibly and ridiculously inefficient it is |
| 02:03.16 | starlon | s/was/were/ |
| 02:03.32 | starlon | ah |
| 02:03.39 | starlon | yeah that happens too |
| 02:03.50 | Marru_Home | yeah lol |
| 02:05.48 | starlon | is it player.target or target? |
| 02:06.02 | Marru_Home | both i think |
| 02:06.10 | starlon | ah |
| 02:07.26 | starlon | I'm bummed out though. :( I have to work on music visualization software in a VM. >.< 56fps though. :) |
| 02:10.37 | starlon | I have to figure out xmms2 ansync elements and clean it up for a release. Not sure what I'm doing in terms of a release though. heh |
| 02:13.16 | starlon | It's cool. I ported Winamp's AVS Plugin's adaptive musical beat detection. Ported a lot of the AVS plugin itself to Dennis' LibVisual framework, added the broken xmms2 plugin, and ported Blursk to LibVisual. I'm scared as hell to make a release. |
| 02:13.46 | starlon | bleh I'm blabbing |
| 02:13.50 | Marru_Home | where do u work? |
| 02:14.04 | starlon | I'm unemployed |
| 02:14.25 | Hyperi | Plenty of coding jobs out there |
| 02:14.40 | Marru_Home | what do u have a release for then? |
| 02:14.49 | Hyperi | Marru_Home: OS :> |
| 02:14.52 | starlon | It's my hobby |
| 02:15.04 | Hyperi | Support your local Open Source projects ^^ |
| 02:15.06 | starlon | A release of LibVisual-0.5 |
| 02:15.15 | Marru_Home | what is it for? |
| 02:15.38 | Hyperi | XMMS I presume |
| 02:15.45 | Hyperi | WinAmp clone for *NIX |
| 02:16.03 | Marru_Home | very cool |
| 02:16.09 | starlon | It's a music visualization framework. YOu write actor plugins, which are the actual visualizations - input plugins, which are things like mplayer, xmms2, alsa, etc.., and you have morph plugins that transition between actors. |
| 02:16.28 | Hyperi | Anyways |
| 02:16.30 | Hyperi | Time to zzzz |
| 02:16.34 | Hyperi | Good night people :) |
| 02:16.56 | Marru_Home | night |
| 02:17.02 | starlon | but that's not related to rift, so sorry hehe |
| 02:17.12 | Hyperi | starlon: :> |
| 02:17.18 | Hyperi | No RIFT related questionaries going on atm |
| 02:17.25 | starlon | Heh |
| 02:17.27 | Hyperi | So why should it be so strictly about it :> |
| 02:17.33 | Hyperi | Seriously, gtg now XD |
| 02:17.35 | Hyperi | w000sh -> |
| 02:17.42 | starlon | I'm not the boss. Dunno how important it is. |
| 02:18.15 | Torhal | starlon: Erm…you do realize that XMMS hasn't been maintained in years, right? |
| 02:18.23 | Torhal | Oh |
| 02:18.29 | starlon | xmms2 |
| 02:18.32 | Torhal | I just read what else you said |
| 02:18.34 | Torhal | Heh |
| 02:18.39 | starlon | Ah :) |
| 02:20.51 | starlon | can you heal by hovering over your target? |
| 02:21.34 | Marru_Home | with macros yes |
| 02:21.37 | starlon | k |
| 02:21.52 | starlon | http://forums.riftgame.com/beta-addon-api-development/258724-post-your-small-addon-api-suggestions-here-17.html#post3367848 |
| 02:22.03 | starlon | :D |
| 02:22.16 | starlon | Trolling the forum now. |
| 02:22.47 | starlon | I wonder if asshat raid leaders would force players to play with their mouse. |
| 02:24.30 | starlon | You could keep a history of what a healer's healing. |
| 02:24.41 | starlon | But you can do that with combat events too |
| 02:28.13 | starlon | How do wow addons provide proximity information? It uses spells? |
| 02:28.23 | starlon | bleh wrong channel |
| 02:28.56 | starlon | well it's related to Rift actually. Was wondering if the same thing would work in Rift. |
| 02:29.14 | starlon | Or if that's going to end up being blocked. :) |
| 02:33.18 | Torhal | starlon: Yes - spells. |
| 02:33.35 | starlon | Does that work in Rift that you know? |
| 02:41.56 | Torhal | starlon: Have yet to play Rift. Waiting for full-blown AddOns. |
| 02:41.57 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 02:42.08 | Torhal | I haven't played WoW in three years. I just type /reloadui a lot. |
| 02:45.07 | seebs | One of the really nice things in rift is that /reloadui is AMAZINGLY fast. |
| 02:45.25 | Marru_Home | yeah its crazy |
| 02:50.25 | Marru_Home | function value.normal[k].Event:SliderChange() wats wrong with that? |
| 02:50.51 | seebs | The first thing I always check is whether I meant Event: or Event. |
| 02:50.58 | seebs | Because sometimes it's a ., not a :. |
| 02:51.04 | seebs | And I can TOTALLY remember when. |
| 02:51.49 | Marru_Home | same problem either way, error is '(' expected near 'k' |
| 02:53.36 | Marru_Home | its something about using [k] to reference a table |
| 02:54.07 | seebs | Is value.normal possibly a function rather than a table? |
| 02:54.24 | Marru_Home | no, its a frame |
| 02:54.57 | Marru_Home | a frame and a table actually |
| 02:55.15 | Marru_Home | but each value.normal[k] is a frame |
| 02:56.12 | starlon | what's the 'function' part at the beginning all about? |
| 02:56.35 | Marru_Home | im trying to create a function for when that slider gets moved |
| 02:56.51 | starlon | ah |
| 02:57.14 | starlon | I usually make them local |
| 02:57.21 | starlon | You really want it in _G? |
| 02:57.29 | Marru_Home | in what? |
| 02:57.34 | starlon | global table |
| 02:57.43 | Marru_Home | oh |
| 02:57.56 | Marru_Home | was havin issues with calls not making it to functions if they were local |
| 02:58.05 | starlon | That's what you access UI.Event _G.UI == UI |
| 02:58.15 | starlon | heh |
| 02:58.16 | Marru_Home | huh? |
| 02:58.45 | starlon | Global `UI` == _G.UI |
| 02:58.54 | starlon | _G is a global |
| 02:59.03 | Marru_Home | ok |
| 02:59.04 | starlon | You're trashing up global namespace :P |
| 02:59.10 | starlon | with your addon |
| 02:59.16 | Marru_Home | so what do i do to call a function thats local? |
| 02:59.46 | starlon | hmm? |
| 02:59.57 | starlon | You can do 'local func' right before the function. |
| 02:59.59 | Marru_Home | if i want a function to call a function |
| 03:00.03 | Kreiri | Marru; for k, v in pairs(value.normal) do function v.Event:SliderChange() --[[ function body --]] end end |
| 03:00.15 | starlon | For recursion you mean? |
| 03:00.30 | Marru_Home | not really recursion... more recycling code? |
| 03:01.01 | starlon | Paste some code on pastey or something. |
| 03:01.20 | Marru_Home | what i mean is... |
| 03:01.22 | starlon | or do you have it in a repo? |
| 03:01.26 | Marru_Home | function do this() |
| 03:01.36 | Marru_Home | function do that() |
| 03:01.44 | starlon | do doesn't belong there |
| 03:01.46 | Marru_Home | i want function do this() to call function do that() |
| 03:02.03 | Marru_Home | retard pseudo code lol |
| 03:02.07 | starlon | oh |
| 03:02.14 | starlon | give me real code >.< |
| 03:02.16 | starlon | or suffer |
| 03:02.18 | Marru_Home | put a _ betweed do and this/that |
| 03:02.27 | starlon | lol |
| 03:02.33 | starlon | Pastey some code |
| 03:02.45 | Marru_Home | gah you really want code? its a lot of code... |
| 03:02.47 | starlon | an example or something |
| 03:02.58 | Marru_Home | thats what i just tried to give you |
| 03:03.06 | Marru_Home | hold on fine i'll write something |
| 03:03.36 | starlon | You didn't give me even a complete statement block of code. :P |
| 03:03.55 | starlon | s/statement// |
| 03:05.05 | Marru_Home | http://pastebin.com/Le4k8P6T |
| 03:05.54 | Marru_Home | if i put local in front of function multiply it wont work |
| 03:06.26 | starlon | Do you have a do ... end in between? |
| 03:06.41 | Marru_Home | you mean do multiply(1,2) end |
| 03:06.44 | starlon | in between the two functions |
| 03:07.11 | starlon | In your actual code I mean, not in the example. |
| 03:08.02 | starlon | You sure it isn't something like http://pastebin.com/T0A7WaSW ? |
| 03:08.42 | starlon | with 'local' before multiply |
| 03:08.53 | Kreiri | "main" is such a generic name |
| 03:08.56 | starlon | forgot to put that there >.< Why I'm a lousy programmer hehe |
| 03:09.09 | starlon | I like main |
| 03:09.15 | starlon | There's no other than main. |
| 03:09.37 | starlon | as long as it's used as such ;) |
| 03:11.09 | Marru_Home | no i dont |
| 03:11.15 | starlon | I blame the pot. |
| 03:11.21 | Marru_Home | why? |
| 03:11.34 | starlon | lol just because.. cause I don't know anything to suggest lol |
| 03:11.45 | starlon | let me download the code |
| 03:11.57 | Marru_Home | so main should be able to call multiply if its local function multiply |
| 03:12.28 | starlon | ok, I misread you then. |
| 03:12.45 | Marru_Home | it doesn't work for me |
| 03:12.59 | starlon | I wasn't suggesting to apply that code. |
| 03:13.01 | starlon | sorry |
| 03:13.11 | Marru_Home | i didn't |
| 03:13.20 | starlon | I was asking if it was what you were looking at. :) |
| 03:13.29 | Marru_Home | no it wasn't |
| 03:13.35 | Marru_Home | my code is the way i sent it |
| 03:13.55 | starlon | I don't know any other reason it wouldn't be available, unless you're setting it inside the function itself. Really it should be local root. |
| 03:14.08 | Marru_Home | local root? |
| 03:14.14 | starlon | local global |
| 03:14.16 | starlon | _G |
| 03:14.26 | Marru_Home | oh |
| 03:14.31 | starlon | Sorry local made no sense :) |
| 03:14.36 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 03:15.01 | starlon | See, you're creating _G.main and _G.multiply :) |
| 03:15.27 | Marru_Home | gotcha |
| 03:15.28 | starlon | you can create a scope with local |
| 03:15.35 | starlon | and _G is still available |
| 03:15.44 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 03:15.55 | starlon | So main should have multiply if it is local |
| 03:16.01 | starlon | defined local |
| 03:16.07 | starlon | multiply defined as local I mean |
| 03:16.40 | Marru_Home | wait |
| 03:16.49 | Marru_Home | was ur do end thing about my local issue or my creating function issue? |
| 03:17.12 | starlon | I thought you left that out in the example :) Just making sure is all. |
| 03:17.23 | Marru_Home | well thats a seperate issue |
| 03:17.30 | starlon | right |
| 03:17.41 | starlon | yep |
| 03:17.47 | Marru_Home | my current issue trying to create a function .Event: is within do/end |
| 03:18.20 | starlon | local func = function() ... end |
| 03:18.22 | starlon | like that? |
| 03:18.42 | starlon | well you did global in that example |
| 03:18.45 | starlon | heh |
| 03:18.58 | starlon | so you did `func = function() ... end` :) |
| 03:18.58 | Marru_Home | well sorta, that and i wrote in the other syntax, function blah() |
| 03:19.09 | starlon | ah |
| 03:19.15 | starlon | that's correct |
| 03:19.19 | starlon | function blah() ... end |
| 03:19.26 | starlon | local function blah() ... end |
| 03:20.19 | Kreiri | Marru: iterate through your table of sliders |
| 03:20.39 | Marru_Home | i have 8 tables of sliders... |
| 03:20.42 | starlon | Yeah leave the globals :) Much better to move on. hehe |
| 03:22.10 | Kreiri | http://pastebin.com/zf7aEFpb |
| 03:23.06 | Marru_Home | right, but i have value.normal and value.critical and value is itself a table value |
| 03:23.06 | starlon | I won't fall into the trap. |
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| 03:33.30 | starlon | What line in this code you pastied? |
| 03:33.39 | Marru_Home | 263 |
| 03:34.05 | starlon | In the pastey. I only see 81 lines in there. |
| 03:34.31 | Marru_Home | uhh, bottom |
| 03:34.47 | starlon | 76? |
| 03:35.33 | Marru_Home | yeah |
| 03:35.54 | Kreiri | http://pastebin.com/dprN1Tqs |
| 03:36.12 | Marru_Home | that might work |
| 03:39.04 | starlon | http://pastebin.com/0QkQFMY6 |
| 03:39.25 | starlon | That syntax you posted looks right, but it's not. Maybe my eyes are twisted. heh |
| 03:43.33 | starlon | actually it makes sense why it's not correct. |
| 03:43.45 | starlon | kinda wthaever |
| 03:43.51 | Marru_Home | why? |
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| 03:46.56 | Kreiri | because you cannot parametrize variable's name |
| 03:51.41 | Marru_Home | but value is a variable |
| 03:52.18 | Kreiri | value.normal[k].Event.SliderChange = function() end |
| 03:52.47 | Marru_Home | value is a variable as well |
| 03:53.03 | Kreiri | - you are accessing whatever is in value.normal[k] and setting its Event.SliderChange value |
| 03:53.18 | Marru_Home | exactly |
| 03:53.58 | starlon | http://pastebin.com/b10H2r3n |
| 03:54.04 | starlon | Just a comparison |
| 03:54.24 | starlon | This is rhetorical btw |
| 03:54.30 | Kreiri | Interesting |
| 03:54.40 | Kreiri | so what can't Lua digest? |
| 03:55.01 | starlon | The [] |
| 03:55.06 | starlon | [k] |
| 03:55.31 | Marru_Home | yeah |
| 03:56.10 | starlon | probably due to dynamics |
| 04:05.13 | starlon | sorry for my abrasion :) |
| 04:06.21 | starlon | local value = {normal={[0] = {} } }; function value.normal[0].MyFunc() end |
| 04:06.25 | starlon | lua> local value = {normal={[0] = {} } }; function value.normal[0].MyFunc() end |
| 04:06.25 | lua_bot | starlon: luabot:1: '(' expected near '[' |
| 04:06.28 | starlon | bleh |
| 04:07.10 | starlon | what saddens me is I didn't know that. |
| 04:10.19 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 04:11.10 | starlon | afk |
| 04:40.09 | starlon | wtf, HDDs are expensive now? |
| 04:40.18 | starlon | this isn't good lol |
| 04:44.01 | starlon | hmm used ones are cheapola |
| 04:45.44 | fewyn | thailand is flooded |
| 04:45.47 | Marru_Home | the local variable referencing value.normal[k] didn't work |
| 04:45.53 | fewyn | you're shit out of luck if you want a non-SSD |
| 04:46.21 | Marru_Home | it changed references around and only one things color got set |
| 04:49.54 | starlon | heh |
| 04:50.47 | starlon | well I'll have to get refurbished. |
| 04:50.51 | starlon | sob |
| 04:51.04 | starlon | I need a power supply too |
| 04:51.47 | seebs | I was totally unaware of HD prices changing. |
| 04:52.09 | starlon | I need to uplug all my LCDs, quit pumping water through my computer, draining the lifecycle of the powersupply. I need a lot of things. |
| 04:52.34 | starlon | I unplugged 3 of the lcds |
| 04:52.49 | starlon | 2 more are connected directly to the PSU |
| 04:53.05 | starlon | and I'm lazy |
| 04:53.07 | starlon | lol |
| 04:53.39 | starlon | if it says anything, my +12v is 6.35 and my -12v is -4.42 |
| 05:20.48 | seebs | That's... wow. |
| 05:21.45 | Shirik | are you sure you know what you're doing? |
| 05:22.23 | Shirik | There are so many layers of protections in the ATX specification that say that should be impossible. |
| 05:23.14 | Shirik | the 12V line should latch off, the PS_OK line should go logical low, and your board should not continue to try to keep power on with PS_OK low |
| 05:23.49 | seebs | how the heck are you having LCDs connected to the PSU? |
| 05:23.57 | seebs | I mean, don't most LCDs take 120V power? |
| 05:23.59 | Shirik | actually that's a good point |
| 05:24.07 | Shirik | I didn't even read that |
| 05:24.14 | seebs | MADNESS |
| 05:26.12 | Shirik | hm, actually it turns out the PS_OK line ignores the 12V rails |
| 05:26.18 | Shirik | I wonder why they did that |
| 05:27.03 | seebs | No clue. |
| 05:27.25 | seebs | My exposure to this is mostly limited to a couple of Alpha boards which required a manual switch instead of the motherboard power on feedback. |
| 05:31.59 | starlon | seebs: I'm talking about small 20x4 character displays. |
| 05:32.09 | seebs | ooooh |
| 05:32.19 | seebs | I even thought of those. |
| 05:32.25 | starlon | and I have the pump |
| 05:32.32 | seebs | Then thought "nah, who'd use old stuff like that?" :) |
| 05:32.49 | starlon | hehe |
| 05:33.01 | seebs | I want an addon API hook that can talk to stuff like that somehow. |
| 05:33.24 | starlon | Yeah that would be sweet. |
| 05:33.48 | starlon | I wrote LCD4WoW, but it was just an LCD simulation. That confused at least one person. |
| 05:34.38 | seebs | I sorta like the idea. If only rift supported secondary displays! :) |
| 05:34.40 | starlon | CrystalControl2 from Crystalfontz.com can talk to certain games. |
| 05:35.08 | starlon | well they can listen |
| 05:35.35 | starlon | they meaning the plugins :) I stumble over words. lol |
| 05:36.00 | starlon | My ex said I don't finish sentences. When I type I believe it. |
| 05:37.03 | seebs | I was thinking it'd be nice to be able to open additional window space not on the main screen. :) |
| 05:37.14 | starlon | hehe |
| 05:37.48 | starlon | Have ZorbaGama implement that for you. He has the pawh. |
| 05:39.34 | seebs | I suppose we could do it with specially tagged print statements that get flushed to the log. |
| 05:40.33 | starlon | heh |
| 05:41.14 | seebs | Yeah, I was all so enthused about WoW having "G15 support". |
| 05:41.23 | starlon | lol |
| 05:41.28 | seebs | Until I realized that this meant that I could instantly look up the damage on my mage's auto attack. |
| 05:41.36 | starlon | heh |
| 05:41.53 | starlon | What's wrong with that? |
| 05:41.56 | seebs | That was like quarter-assed at most. |
| 05:43.30 | seebs | It really felt like it was outsourced to someone who had never used either the G15 or WoW. |
| 05:45.01 | starlon | Heh |
| 05:45.48 | Shirik | starlon: tiny LCD displays are ruining your PSU? |
| 05:45.52 | Shirik | is it like a 5W PSU? |
| 05:45.56 | starlon | that and the pump I think |
| 05:46.05 | starlon | I can't remember what wattage |
| 05:46.09 | seebs | It does seem pretty odd. |
| 05:46.32 | Shirik | Dude there's no way a little 20x4 display could be taking any significant amount of power from a desktop PSU |
| 05:46.35 | starlon | it may be why my hard drive's acting up |
| 05:46.45 | Shirik | unless it were wired wrong or something |
| 05:47.07 | Shirik | (in which case I would expect magic smoke to give it away) |
| 05:47.33 | starlon | This is the pump: http://www.swiftech.com/mcp655.aspx |
| 05:50.03 | seebs | That's 24W. 24W is on the order of two hard drives, or about a fifth of a modern video card or CPU. |
| 05:51.37 | starlon | ah |
| 05:52.02 | seebs | My first candidate would be "sometimes PSUs just die", and second after that would be "check your wall current for stability". |
| 05:52.09 | starlon | also the two fans, and two are connected dead. will the dead ones suck juice? hmm |
| 05:52.13 | starlon | yeah they are |
| 05:52.18 | seebs | The dead ones might! |
| 05:52.31 | starlon | 4 120mm fans :) |
| 05:52.32 | seebs | Dead stuff can do CRAZY shit to electronics. |
| 05:52.39 | Shirik | actually dead fans probably will |
| 05:52.43 | seebs | The wall current thing... Long ago I used to do tech support. |
| 05:52.46 | starlon | nods. |
| 05:52.57 | Shirik | dead fans would probably act as a short circuit |
| 05:53.03 | seebs | We had this one customer whose workstations needed repairs like four times. |
| 05:53.14 | seebs | Finally we found out, they were in a building with two completely independent power setups. |
| 05:53.16 | Shirik | the same way a stalled electric motor would |
| 05:53.17 | seebs | One was for arc welding. |
| 05:53.23 | seebs | The other was supposed to let computers be used. |
| 05:53.44 | starlon | Shirik: Well there's an electric motor on the fan :) |
| 05:53.52 | Shirik | hence why (21:52:54) (Shirik) dead fans would probably act as a short circuit |
| 05:54.00 | starlon | heh wow |
| 05:54.20 | starlon | guess I'm pulling this out tomorrow |
| 05:54.30 | starlon | or could I just clip the wires? |
| 05:54.36 | Shirik | ure |
| 05:54.37 | Shirik | sure |
| 05:54.40 | starlon | cool |
| 05:54.53 | seebs | I'd probably shut the machine off and disconnect those fans ASAP. |
| 05:55.07 | seebs | That is a Big Red Switch circumstance. |
| 05:55.15 | starlon | heh brb |
| 06:02.48 | starlon | didn't change much |
| 06:03.09 | starlon | it's a zombie computer |
| 06:03.20 | starlon | I just hope it doesn't turn on its own brains. |
| 06:03.46 | starlon | maybe gkrellm is off |
| 06:03.53 | starlon | lm-sensors I mean |
| 06:04.28 | Hyperi | ffs |
| 06:04.37 | starlon | sup? |
| 06:04.39 | Hyperi | 3h sleep and got called in to work |
| 06:04.46 | Hyperi | sadface :( |
| 06:04.46 | starlon | ouch |
| 06:04.52 | seebs | eww |
| 06:04.57 | Hyperi | workmate sick... |
| 06:05.12 | Hyperi | aand i still got my evening shift |
| 06:05.19 | Hyperi | so looooong day ahead... |
| 06:06.24 | seebs | yeek |
| 06:06.25 | seebs | good luck |
| 06:07.33 | Hyperi | ty |
| 06:07.51 | Hyperi | off to zombie mode -> |
| 06:09.13 | starlon | I have a bad habit of spelling it Ubunty |
| 06:14.46 | starlon | What I like about git is it commits all changes across the repository, not just your current directory and subdirs. |
| 06:15.02 | starlon | Well one thing I like :) |
| 06:15.10 | starlon | wrong channel |
| 06:15.13 | seebs | heh |
| 06:15.14 | seebs | git rocks |
| 06:15.19 | starlon | damnit, mixed these around and got lost. |
| 06:15.29 | starlon | yep :) |
| 06:16.07 | seebs | I think Trion could hugely improve their game community if they bought therapy for the players who were traumatized by WoW. |
| 06:16.49 | seebs | I just have this image of a thread in which someone mentions a feature they liked in WoW, or inviting friends to come play, and doesn't get dogpiled by 30 people for implying that there was ever anything acceptable about WoW. |
| 06:21.01 | seebs | ZorbaGama, is there a documented way to tell whether Inspect.Time.Real() is running yet? |
| 06:21.21 | seebs | I ask because I just did /print Inspect.Time.Real() right after starting the game, and got 0. And if it was still at 0 after I'd been typing for a few seconds... |
| 06:21.31 | seebs | This could make it hard to benchmark stuff very early in the UI startup. |
| 06:36.47 | starlon | n00b lookit ur cloc |
| 06:37.09 | starlon | O.- |
| 06:37.35 | seebs | I tried again and got 2.4ish seconds. |
| 06:37.43 | seebs | As quickly as I could retype it. |
| 06:37.58 | starlon | damn |
| 06:37.59 | ZorbaGama | seebs, I believe on 1.5, the first call to Inspect.Time.Real() will always return 0. |
| 06:37.59 | seebs | ... actually, I think that was pause-to-think, slash-uparrow-return. |
| 06:38.05 | seebs | ohhh. |
| 06:38.21 | ZorbaGama | I think that's changed in 1.6 though. |
| 06:38.43 | seebs | It seems like it's not time logged in, because it seems to stay through logout/login cycles. But it can't be time since game started, or it wouldn't have been as low as 2 seconds. |
| 06:39.02 | ZorbaGama | in 1.5, it's quite literally "time since you first called Inspect.Time.Real()" :) |
| 06:39.06 | seebs | Unless it's really "time since the first time it was called since the rift executable launched". |
| 06:39.16 | seebs | So the addon system has state which persists through logins... |
| 06:40.17 | ZorbaGama | Not much of it, but yes, some. In that case it's just a static variable in the handler for Inspect.Time.Real(). |
| 06:40.36 | seebs | Hmm. Well, harmless then for my purposes. |
| 06:40.40 | ZorbaGama | most of the persisted state is like that - things which initialize the first time you use 'em. |
| 06:41.07 | ZorbaGama | in any case, that behavior's changed in 1.6, and I believe it's time-since-startup or even time-since-arbitrary-point. |
| 06:41.17 | seebs | Does mean that after about two days you'll start losing precision in inspect.time.real(). Five bucks says I get a bug report on that behavior at some point. :P |
| 06:41.38 | ZorbaGama | Maybe. :) |
| 06:41.59 | ZorbaGama | I'm off to bed, g'luck doublechecking that ;) |
| 06:42.04 | starlon | would be nice if Unit events would update after a reload |
| 06:42.24 | starlon | but no worries |
| 06:42.50 | ZorbaGama | starlon, I think they do in 1.6. Could be wrong on that. |
| 06:42.56 | seebs | Sleep well! |
| 06:43.06 | ZorbaGama | Thanks :) |
| 06:43.59 | starlon | ZorbaGama: Good time to install PTS I guess. :) |
| 06:44.47 | seebs | I wonder whether the crash on Environment = { "1.5", "1.6" } got fixed yet. |
| 06:47.42 | starlon | LCD plugged into power supply. romfalao |
| 06:48.04 | starlon | I just joined lettters together I was chuckling. |
| 06:49.13 | starlon | Oh I can't disconnect the LCD. It's powering the last 2 fans. |
| 06:50.31 | seebs | The more you talk the less I can envision what you're describing. |
| 06:50.58 | starlon | lol |
| 06:51.29 | starlon | The LCD can control your PWM |
| 06:51.40 | starlon | Or whatever |
| 06:51.48 | starlon | I hate acronyms. |
| 06:52.00 | starlon | it can control your fans' speeds. |
| 06:52.04 | starlon | 4 fans total |
| 06:52.30 | starlon | So when the CPUs are being used, you can have it boost the fan speed |
| 06:52.36 | starlon | CPU cores I mean |
| 06:53.17 | starlon | discribes a network so vast that it's totally unrelated. |
| 06:57.51 | seebs | I think I just got to the cave in IPP that you get sent back to three million times. |
| 07:00.24 | starlon | There should be an achievement for that. |
| 07:00.34 | seebs | There is. |
| 07:00.55 | starlon | Shows how much I know. :) |
| 07:01.07 | starlon | I'm level 28 |
| 07:01.56 | starlon | I just wanted to get away from WoW addons and remembered seeing an announcement for riftui.com so decided to check this out. |
| 07:02.03 | seebs | I'm currently working on a 43. |
| 07:02.08 | starlon | Ah |
| 07:02.16 | seebs | ... But I do have two 50s now. :) |
| 07:02.22 | starlon | Hehe |
| 07:02.28 | seebs | Note that I'm a horrendously slow leveller. Mostly because I'm alt-happy. |
| 07:02.33 | starlon | I can't justify the time I spend. |
| 07:02.48 | starlon | Makes me feel guilty. lol |
| 07:03.27 | seebs | The API here isn't complete, but I like working with it a LOT more. |
| 07:03.39 | starlon | nods. |
| 07:03.55 | seebs | I don't feel like I'm spending most of my effort working around the API. |
| 07:27.25 | starlon | no matter what I enter in "Your computer's name" this installer tells me "That name already exists on the network." |
| 07:28.55 | seebs | huh |
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| 07:55.33 | starlon | coin lock is genius |
| 07:56.01 | seebs | It really is. |
| 07:56.09 | seebs | If only the parent company were less stupid. |
| 07:56.16 | starlon | oh? |
| 07:56.19 | seebs | And hadn't made login be email address and email address be changeable. |
| 07:56.29 | starlon | oh :( |
| 07:56.41 | seebs | But it's still apparently more secure than, say, everything else ever. |
| 07:56.50 | starlon | heh |
| 07:56.53 | seebs | At least in MMO terms. |
| 07:57.01 | starlon | agrees. |
| 07:57.23 | seebs | It came out of the period where there was a hilariously bad login auth bug that allowed you to log into arbitrary accounts without username or password. |
| 07:57.30 | seebs | But it really is brillieant. |
| 07:57.35 | seebs | brilliant. |
| 07:59.02 | seebs | Because, when working, it eliminates any real value to breaking into accounts. |
| 07:59.05 | starlon | without the fan it's hot, with the fan blowing on your back it's freezing. fan is noisy anyways. now for bug buzzing from outside. Love country life in old dwellings. |
| 07:59.49 | starlon | until the bugs start annoying youo |
| 08:00.18 | starlon | seebs: basically :) |
| 08:00.25 | starlon | how's the issue of bots? |
| 08:00.38 | seebs | Supposedly there are some. Standard MMO practice -- wait a bit, then ban a bunch all at once. |
| 08:00.46 | starlon | ah |
| 08:00.53 | seebs | I have seen a couple of Trion people comment that they browse botter forums for the schadenfreude. |
| 08:01.21 | starlon | I'll have to get my German friend to translate. |
| 08:01.30 | seebs | Joy in others' suffering. |
| 08:01.34 | starlon | Ah :) |
| 08:01.42 | seebs | It's a German word that got borrowed semi-permanently by English. |
| 08:01.50 | starlon | Hmm |
| 08:03.15 | seebs | Anyway, the impression I get is that the botter community is finding the rift people inconveniently competent. |
| 08:03.58 | starlon | http://imgace.com/pic/2011/10/english-doesnt-borrow-from-other-languages/ |
| 08:04.12 | seebs | Yes. |
| 08:05.01 | seebs | I've gotten the feeling I'm seeing fewer botters than I did in WoW, but it's hard to tell. |
| 08:05.14 | seebs | I could probably still run the pattern of the emerald drake farming bot from memory. |
| 08:05.34 | starlon | heh |
| 08:05.38 | Dramiel | wow is easier to write bots for than rift |
| 08:06.19 | starlon | How about private shards? Is that a problem? |
| 08:06.39 | starlon | Your definition of problem may vary. |
| 08:06.53 | seebs | Dunno. Haven't heard of any, and never really looked into it. I'd imagine it'd be harder just because their entire design is sort of sideways to traditional MMO designs. |
| 08:07.05 | starlon | nods. |
| 08:07.44 | starlon | I played a private RO server, then the guy pulled the plug suddenly. |
| 08:07.53 | starlon | Lesson learned :) |
| 08:07.55 | Dramiel | http://gtoplist.com/RIFT/ |
| 08:08.30 | starlon | Don't let Cairenn see you linking that. :) |
| 08:08.35 | starlon | grins. |
| 08:08.43 | Dramiel | :( |
| 08:08.46 | starlon | jk |
| 08:08.47 | seebs | In theory I think I'm required to kill you now. |
| 08:08.52 | starlon | lmao |
| 08:11.06 | seebs | I have generally an intuitive distrust of the "private servers" people. Basically, no one gets there without at least once entering into an agreement with prior intent to break it. |
| 08:11.20 | seebs | As such, it's hard for me to imagine why I would enter into any kind of agreement with them... |
| 08:11.21 | starlon | nods. |
| 08:11.32 | starlon | heh |
| 08:11.46 | starlon | I was a victim of peer pressure. :) |
| 08:12.09 | seebs | I am lucky! I am effectively completely immune to peer pressure. |
| 08:12.48 | starlon | There's an achievement for that. |
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| 08:43.06 | starlon | Fedora ticks me off. |
| 08:43.13 | starlon | yum does |
| 08:43.16 | lXl | Why |
| 08:43.39 | starlon | gotta download what I guess is porn before performing a search for a package. |
| 08:43.50 | lXl | What? |
| 08:44.02 | lXl | Well you ARE searching for a "package" on the internet |
| 08:46.38 | starlon | apt-cache doesn't need to download megafiles from the interweb before figuring out if it has sound-juicer or not. |
| 08:47.05 | lXl | megafiles? |
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| 08:50.07 | starlon | Yep. http://i.imgur.com/52l36.png |
| 08:51.26 | lXl | Where's the porn :( |
| 08:51.49 | lXl | You're running Linux in a Linux o.O |
| 08:51.52 | starlon | In another VM |
| 08:52.03 | starlon | I got a VM for everything. |
| 08:52.17 | starlon | virutalizes your soul. |
| 08:52.45 | lXl | I don't even go through that much Linux to remote into stuff at work |
| 08:53.24 | starlon | lol I'm joking though. I needed to see if this program worked on a virtual hard drive as opposed to my actual hard drive. I was getting CRC mismatches in valgrind output. |
| 08:53.58 | starlon | So I was there installing build tools and header packages, trying to search for them. |
| 08:54.15 | starlon | In the VM I mean. |
| 08:56.14 | starlon | poor computer's lame |
| 08:56.28 | lXl | An hour to upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 :( |
| 08:57.00 | starlon | It's ok. I get a refund on my deposit, so I can buy parts then. |
| 08:57.09 | lXl | ? |
| 08:57.23 | starlon | I need to replace computer parts... hdd and psu |
| 08:57.42 | starlon | hdd's why I was getting CRC mismatches |
| 08:58.34 | lXl | Oh |
| 08:59.35 | starlon | To top it off, this AVS plugin uses a file map to execute opcodes dynamically. So no telling what was happening in there. lol |
| 09:00.31 | starlon | actually it never loaded |
| 09:00.41 | starlon | dlopen was failing |
| 09:01.33 | starlon | spams here because PTS install is in background and slowing up web access. |
| 09:01.41 | lXl | :( |
| 09:01.53 | lXl | It's okay I'm waiting for Ubuntu install :( |
| 09:01.59 | starlon | heh |
| 09:02.35 | starlon | yum does do some caching, but it's always annoying when you're in the middle of something and require a new package. that's always when it needs to refresh its cache |
| 09:02.48 | starlon | never fails |
| 09:04.15 | starlon | You know those music visualizations? I'm going to put a character LCD simulation ontop of music visualizations. :) |
| 09:04.52 | starlon | LCD4Vis |
| 09:04.53 | lXl | Character LCD simulation? |
| 09:05.17 | starlon | http://lcdproc.com/screenshots.php3 |
| 09:05.34 | starlon | But with actual fonts. |
| 09:05.39 | starlon | I think. |
| 09:06.16 | starlon | StarTip is an LCD simulation too. |
| 09:07.58 | starlon | Nifty trick you can do if you have StarTip installed is type '/lcd4rift' |
| 09:08.16 | lXl | Ah |
| 09:08.49 | lXl | LCD like for keyboard display type stuff? |
| 09:08.54 | starlon | I wish |
| 09:09.04 | starlon | It's all simulation. No actual hardware support. |
| 09:09.20 | starlon | Would be cool if Rift had access to system stats though :) |
| 09:09.25 | starlon | seebs was saying so earlier |
| 09:10.05 | starlon | But yeah, the G15 keyboard has a character LCD. |
| 09:24.53 | starlon | Something like this: http://imgur.com/120fo |
| 09:29.47 | starlon | http://imgur.com/7Npxh |
| 09:36.14 | lXl | Great, I upgrade to 11.04 and Ubuntu won't boot, just gives plymouth errors and halts |
| 09:37.05 | starlon | How did you originally install it? |
| 09:37.12 | lXl | USB? |
| 09:37.16 | starlon | ah |
| 09:37.28 | starlon | Was wondering if you installed it via wubi |
| 09:37.32 | starlon | the windows installer |
| 09:37.49 | starlon | There are supposed to be issues with upgrading a wubi install. |
| 09:40.20 | starlon | bleh I hate feeling like I'm being watched |
| 09:40.42 | lXl | ? |
| 09:41.17 | starlon | oh nothing |
| 09:41.28 | starlon | always feel like there's someone outside |
| 09:42.15 | starlon | I have this fear where I'll be setup for some terrible crime. The thought that they'd send a special ops team to frame me for murder crosses my mind regularly. |
| 09:42.40 | starlon | Stupid paranoia |
| 09:55.50 | Hyperi | Oh boy, I missed private server discussion .< |
| 09:56.00 | Hyperi | And now I've resurrected it \o/ |
| 09:56.01 | Hyperi | XD |
| 09:56.40 | Hyperi | Just wanted to add, it's hard for me to understand why someone would think 13eur~ / month is "too expensive" |
| 09:56.49 | Hyperi | It's two pints of beer in a bar for example :D |
| 09:56.58 | lXl | init: plymouth-splash main process terminated with status 2 |
| 09:57.03 | lXl | :( |
| 09:57.04 | Hyperi | And then when you compare the gain and enjoyment you get from eachother.... .P |
| 09:57.34 | Hyperi | lXl: Did you upgrade your Ubuntu properly? |
| 09:57.45 | Hyperi | e.g. reading some sort of guide how you're supposed to do it |
| 09:57.46 | lXl | Supposedly |
| 09:57.57 | Hyperi | Supposedly means no I bet :P |
| 09:58.18 | lXl | Let Ubuntu dob it itself :( |
| 09:58.54 | lXl | On screen keybpoard wont let mwe baxvckspace... oh fml |
| 09:59.03 | Hyperi | date of birth wut? oO |
| 09:59.11 | lXl | do it |
| 09:59.16 | Hyperi | ah |
| 09:59.28 | Hyperi | Well that's one main problem of Ubuntu |
| 09:59.42 | Hyperi | Showing off that everything should be so easy, that when something breaks - the user is helpless |
| 10:00.23 | lXl | the error isntc descriptive and nothing loads |
| 10:00.24 | Hyperi | (Yes, I've personal dislike towards Ubuntu, but I do like Debian <3 Hence I hate when people compliment "Ubuntu's packaging system" (which is really Debian's) |
| 10:00.40 | lXl | i like ubuntu :( |
| 10:03.10 | starlon | Oh I love dpkg |
| 10:03.17 | starlon | It's yum that I oppose. |
| 10:06.41 | starlon | http://imgur.com/5RwTH |
| 10:07.16 | starlon | has no point and that's the point. |
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| 10:17.11 | starlon | damn I chose the worse music to rip |
| 10:19.25 | starlon | The band's name is Otep and the album's name is Jihad... Has 5 tracks: Possession, The Lord Is My Weapon, Germ, Fillthee, and T.R.I.C. I have no idea what she's saying. It likely just got me placed on some watchlist. |
| 10:20.17 | lXl1 | I use to hang out with a guy that drummed for them |
| 10:20.24 | starlon | really? |
| 10:20.29 | lXl1 | Yeah |
| 10:20.40 | starlon | awesome. the music not so much. |
| 10:21.07 | lXl1 | He was pretty cool but he did touring with them between a couple of releases |
| 10:21.14 | starlon | ah cool |
| 10:22.27 | lXl1 | He was going to jam with our band and our band said no.. I was like.. what? |
| 10:22.40 | Hyperi | starlon: As if you already weren't on the watch list? ;P |
| 10:22.50 | lXl1 | Rather fill in to drum for us cause we didn't have a drummer, my band wanted someone else |
| 10:22.59 | lXl1 | I don't miss dealing with a band :( |
| 10:25.09 | starlon | Hyperi: Why do you say that? |
| 10:25.27 | starlon | Is trolling terrorism? |
| 10:26.28 | starlon | I'm not going to travel with other musicians in buses to go stand up in front of people and act like I'm still digging this. |
| 10:26.41 | lXl1 | ? |
| 10:26.51 | starlon | bands aren't fun |
| 10:27.09 | starlon | I'm not social either :) |
| 10:27.35 | starlon | Recently Danzig threw a fit in Austin, Tx. |
| 10:27.42 | starlon | He didn't want to play. |
| 10:27.47 | starlon | It was too cold. |
| 10:27.54 | starlon | He had the ziffle ziffles. |
| 10:27.56 | lXl1 | Cold.. Austin... |
| 10:27.58 | lXl1 | I don't get |
| 10:28.20 | starlon | That's really what happened. |
| 10:28.33 | starlon | He tried to give all sorts of excuses. |
| 10:29.11 | starlon | In the end he played shy of 20 minutes and left cause the thing was over. That's how long they had to play his little ziffle ziffle game. |
| 10:29.50 | starlon | They want to live on record deals. |
| 10:30.01 | starlon | I can't blame them :) |
| 10:31.43 | starlon | band work hard if they do it right |
| 10:31.48 | starlon | s/band/bands/ |
| 10:32.04 | starlon | Then you have mediocre superstars that get all the attention. |
| 10:32.52 | starlon | Online's changing things. |
| 10:34.33 | Hyperi | starlon: You forgot that I never claimed that you were trolling ;) |
| 10:34.47 | starlon | I'll be happier when the music industry implodes with pure panic. |
| 10:34.51 | Hyperi | starlon: it was Marru |
| 10:34.57 | starlon | OH right :) |
| 10:35.01 | starlon | I was playing anyawys :) |
| 10:35.09 | Hyperi | I wasn't |
| 10:35.13 | starlon | But I was |
| 10:35.25 | Hyperi | Please sit over there |
| 10:35.38 | starlon | My next retort is a fart in your general direction. |
| 10:35.47 | Hyperi | My name is Chris Hansen, and this is 'To Catch a Predator'. Have you heard what we do? |
| 10:35.49 | starlon | went there. |
| 10:36.06 | Hyperi | I bet you didn't see that one coming ,) |
| 10:36.11 | starlon | lol |
| 10:37.17 | starlon | 5 hours remaining on PTS install. |
| 10:37.21 | starlon | sobs. |
| 10:37.53 | starlon | I remember thinking downloading Opera over dialup was torment. |
| 10:40.07 | Hyperi | 5hours ? oO |
| 10:40.08 | Hyperi | how the hell |
| 10:40.13 | Hyperi | slow internet ? |
| 10:40.25 | Hyperi | One of the things that affect no way in gameplay - and I love abotu Rift |
| 10:40.31 | Hyperi | That I get full speed updates |
| 10:40.42 | starlon | 350Kb/s |
| 10:40.46 | Hyperi | Which is 19.9MB/s compared to WoWs avg 200KB/s if I was lucky |
| 10:40.53 | starlon | nice |
| 10:40.59 | Hyperi | I've 200/10 Cable at home |
| 10:41.03 | Hyperi | Loving it <3 |
| 10:41.05 | starlon | lucky |
| 10:41.07 | starlon | :) |
| 10:41.16 | Hyperi | We moved to a new apartment last summer (year ago) |
| 10:41.21 | starlon | I remember thinking college internet was the bomb. Not these days. lol |
| 10:41.26 | Hyperi | I told my wifey only one requirement - and that was that I could get my internet with me |
| 10:41.34 | Hyperi | Everything else - I would be fine with what she wants :P |
| 10:41.39 | starlon | hehe |
| 10:41.56 | starlon | interweb is serious business. |
| 10:41.57 | Hyperi | But hey, got to love to live in southern finland .P |
| 10:42.05 | starlon | Nice |
| 10:42.10 | Hyperi | They have no transfer caps or extra costs |
| 10:42.13 | starlon | I'm stuck in Texas. |
| 10:42.17 | Hyperi | You pay X euros per month for the speed - use as much as yuo want |
| 10:42.25 | starlon | nice |
| 10:42.32 | Hyperi | Also, 200/10Mb cable (speed guaranteed) |
| 10:42.36 | Hyperi | 45euros/month |
| 10:42.40 | starlon | I can use as much as I want. It's just slow. |
| 10:42.45 | Hyperi | 12:42:40 <@ dtd> 45 Euros is approximately 62.13 U.S. |
| 10:42.50 | starlon | hehe |
| 10:42.57 | Hyperi | Also installation took less than 5 minutes |
| 10:43.04 | Hyperi | Naturally I had to go get the cable modem from their shop |
| 10:43.14 | Hyperi | Which took total of 20minutes, so from the part I decided to get it |
| 10:43.18 | Hyperi | less than 30min to get it working |
| 10:43.20 | Hyperi | loving it <3 |
| 10:43.40 | Hyperi | Now they're starting to ship 1/1Gb internets in parts of finland |
| 10:44.07 | starlon | nice |
| 10:44.54 | starlon | We're being assaulted with "It's for the children" lies. Somehow internet without a cap will ultimately fall on "the children." |
| 10:45.47 | starlon | Right now they're claiming the music industry's dying. |
| 10:45.56 | starlon | And that's why we need caps and limits. |
| 10:46.13 | starlon | and deep packet inspection if at all possible |
| 10:46.19 | starlon | That's how we're headed. |
| 10:46.21 | lXl1 | F the music industry |
| 10:46.25 | starlon | yep |
| 10:46.52 | starlon | I don't even listen to music. |
| 10:47.02 | lXl1 | Starlon what internet do you have that's slow? |
| 10:47.10 | starlon | embarq |
| 10:47.22 | starlon | I live way out in the country. We have DSL. |
| 10:47.26 | lXl1 | Oh :( |
| 10:47.52 | lXl1 | I get like 50/5 in the city |
| 10:47.54 | starlon | I'd be miserable in town. |
| 10:48.00 | starlon | nice |
| 10:48.03 | lXl1 | It's far from slow |
| 10:48.08 | starlon | hehe |
| 10:48.12 | lXl1 | I wish the up was faster but it's not FIOS |
| 10:48.24 | starlon | ah |
| 10:53.37 | Hyperi | : |
| 10:53.42 | Hyperi | I wish for higher uprate too |
| 10:53.49 | Hyperi | But in Finland downloading is ok - uploading bad |
| 10:53.58 | Hyperi | Same with piracy |
| 10:54.03 | Hyperi | It's kind of funny |
| 10:54.07 | Hyperi | You don't get nailed for downloading |
| 10:54.16 | Hyperi | You get fined for uploading .P |
| 10:56.14 | Hyperi | Oh my... WoW losing subs fast |
| 10:57.17 | lXl1 | Of course they are |
| 11:00.14 | starlon | Where did you read that? |
| 11:37.32 | starlon | FB is evil. |
| 11:38.39 | starlon | No I don't want to know about my friend chatting over on some stranger's profile pic. |
| 11:42.41 | lXl1 | wat |
| 11:48.19 | starlon | The end of Facebook will come as a harsh reminder that we don't trust just anyone online. |
| 11:49.11 | starlon | Show some balls and give us privacy. |
| 11:49.49 | starlon | They'll sell your data to any law enforcement faintly curious. |
| 11:50.36 | starlon | And I disagree with this idea that I'm not allowed to delete my own data. |
| 11:51.34 | lXl1 | About nothing is private these days |
| 11:53.05 | starlon | Yep |
| 11:53.14 | starlon | They'll ban encryption before long. |
| 11:53.19 | starlon | If it's not already banned where you are. |
| 11:54.49 | starlon | They want to turn all computers into UtopiaBits, where they control what you can install and how available the OS is to enthusiasts. |
| 11:55.14 | lXl1 | I think you're overstating things |
| 11:55.22 | starlon | That's where all this is heading. |
| 11:55.41 | starlon | Windows 8 is heading in that direction. |
| 11:56.09 | lXl1 | There's people that would like more control over what people do, especially on the internet, but it's not one big conspiracy to control us all in some 1984 or Brave New World way |
| 11:56.36 | lXl1 | There's a few stupid laws floating about but they're running into a lot of resistance as it is |
| 11:56.56 | lXl1 | And worst case? Just use alternate DNS |
| 11:57.02 | starlon | It is Microsoft's goal of securing their system. |
| 11:57.15 | lXl1 | Microsoft isn't open source.. other OSes are :) |
| 11:57.22 | starlon | Yep :) |
| 11:58.57 | lXl1 | I mean, it is impossible to even know what everyone is doing on their computers |
| 12:00.03 | lXl1 | If anything, the internet is a haven for free speech. |
| 12:01.10 | starlon | And Yahoo!, Facebook, Google+, Twitter. It's all censored. |
| 12:01.25 | starlon | They get caught sometimes. |
| 12:01.35 | lXl1 | Those are all private websites, they retain the right to control their content |
| 12:01.58 | starlon | Yahoo! was blocking emails about occupy walstreet in the early days |
| 12:02.07 | starlon | And I've my my own posts on FB go missing. |
| 12:02.16 | lXl1 | What kind of posts? |
| 12:02.44 | starlon | Religious, conspiracy theories, stuff like that |
| 12:02.55 | lXl1 | :\ |
| 12:03.17 | starlon | aliens once |
| 12:03.44 | starlon | My friend's and my conversation was entirely wiped once. |
| 12:04.02 | starlon | The alien video thread. |
| 12:04.02 | lXl1 | I doubt FB is hawking your profile to remove anything specific |
| 12:04.33 | starlon | At one time they were bold in your face, and said that the links were dangerous. |
| 12:04.42 | starlon | Now they drop them. |
| 12:06.06 | lXl1 | Are you sure it wasn't a bug in their system? |
| 12:06.41 | starlon | Convenient |
| 12:08.43 | lXl1 | Well, of all the users that are on the site, how likely is it they just single the right people out? Usually for stuff like that it's people reporting. |
| 12:09.16 | lXl1 | Look at WoW, you can pretty much say anything you want in /2 unless someone reports you, because they can't afford enough GMs to actually filter through chat |
| 12:09.38 | starlon | You can report stuff on Facebook? |
| 12:09.44 | lXl1 | I'm pretty sure you could |
| 12:09.53 | starlon | You can report profiles I know that. |
| 12:10.11 | starlon | Yep "Report story or spam" |
| 12:10.21 | lXl1 | Yeah you can |
| 12:11.25 | lXl1 | I'm not saying FB is great, I mean they have some pretty shady business tactics, but I really doubt they filter through content for political reasons, it's not in their interest to spend that much resources in something that doesn't really benefit them |
| 12:12.19 | starlon | Oh but it benefits people in high places, and Zuckerberg is all friendly with them. |
| 12:12.35 | starlon | They're lobbying for lighter privacy laws. |
| 12:14.36 | starlon | Did you know that Youtube stripped Alex Jones' Youtube profile of its "credentials" or whatever they're called there? He dug some dirt up on Google's CEO, and bam his account's defunded. |
| 12:15.00 | starlon | actually he didn't dig the info up, but he stressed it first |
| 12:15.32 | starlon | I wish I could remember what the dirt was. |
| 12:15.41 | lXl1 | Well if someone talked crap about my server I'd ban them from it :\ |
| 12:16.47 | starlon | UPDATED DEC. 1, 2010 2:20 PM CST — You Tube issued TheAlexJonesChannel a notice reversing its PREVIOUS DECISION to freeze the account. In the newest contact, You Tube writes that “Upon additional review we have reinstated the material and removed any penalties that had been applied to your account.” |
| 12:16.52 | starlon | Ah I never read that. |
| 12:20.20 | starlon | http://www.googlemonopoly.eu/index.php/2011/06/google-attacks-radio-host-alex-jones-over-eric-schmidt-at-bilderberg-meeting-2011/ |
| 12:20.41 | starlon | Now apply that power to government control. |
| 12:22.35 | starlon | all my friends think I'm crazy, well except one, and I think my family's caught onto it all. |
| 12:23.03 | starlon | You on FB? lol |
| 12:23.10 | lXl1 | I have an account yeah |
| 12:23.29 | lXl1 | Alex Jones is a bit of a nut to be honest |
| 12:23.58 | starlon | https://www.facebook.com/starlon |
| 12:24.11 | starlon | Alex Jones is a hoax |
| 12:24.24 | starlon | But he hits nerves where there are nerves to be hit. |
| 12:24.44 | lXl1 | How is he a hoax? |
| 12:25.04 | starlon | He's phony. Isn't it obvious? |
| 12:25.32 | starlon | I mean he was dressed up as the joker when he was going apeshit about the Joker Obama photo not being racist. |
| 12:25.37 | lXl1 | Phony? I'd believe that. I really don't see how anyone can dedicate that much effort into.. well hell |
| 12:27.33 | lXl1 | I do know the banks are a load of crap |
| 12:28.06 | starlon | hehe |
| 12:28.20 | starlon | American Plutocracy is what's wrong in the world. |
| 12:28.38 | starlon | Private industries have politicians by the balls. |
| 12:29.04 | lXl1 | It all goes back to the bankers |
| 12:29.11 | starlon | yep |
| 12:30.13 | starlon | at least that conspiracy theory is gaining steam :) |
| 12:30.37 | lXl1 | its not a conspiracy theory its how banks work |
| 12:30.56 | starlon | But people don't see that. |
| 12:31.09 | lXl1 | They just don't know or care for the most part |
| 12:31.26 | lXl1 | But that's a lot of stuff anyway, people eat fast food like crazy thinking it doesn't matter |
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| 12:31.47 | lXl1 | I need to start taking my lunch to work :( |
| 12:32.20 | starlon | And if you tell them that the US is plutocratic and unconstitutional, and show some evidence from some radio host with a President addiction, then it's all a conspiracy theory, yep |
| 12:32.41 | starlon | See Alex Jones game? |
| 12:32.48 | lXl1 | Huh? |
| 12:33.32 | starlon | He takes all the outlandish conspiracy theories and gives them steam as discredited. |
| 12:34.27 | lXl1 | It's way late I gotta get some sleep |
| 12:34.39 | starlon | k :) hehe |
| 12:34.57 | lXl1 | 6:30AM, I have to be up by 2 :( |
| 12:35.05 | starlon | ouch |
| 12:35.19 | lXl1 | Yeah, cya :( |
| 12:35.21 | starlon | 3 hours left on PTS install |
| 12:35.23 | starlon | ttyl |
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| 15:40.10 | starlon | lol http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletin/ms11-083 |
| 15:40.42 | starlon | I guess it beats a null pointer in kernel code. |
| 15:47.17 | seebs | I would consider remote code execution on closed ports substantially worse than a crash. |
| 16:03.40 | Snstr | ouch.. |
| 16:08.38 | starlon | someone in #libvisual once picked on Linux due to that bug. I wish he still hung around. lol |
| 16:09.19 | starlon | is a dornk. |
| 16:10.04 | seebs | Due to which bug? |
| 16:11.14 | starlon | In Linux kernel a while back. |
| 16:11.20 | starlon | null pointer in kernel |
| 16:11.50 | seebs | onoz |
| 16:12.01 | starlon | hehe |
| 16:12.16 | seebs | I've had to deal seriously with kernel debugging and patches like two or three times ever. |
| 16:12.25 | starlon | heh |
| 16:12.26 | seebs | Mostly I only see them if it looks like it could be a compiler issue. |
| 16:12.35 | seebs | At least once, it was, but the compiler was right. :P |
| 16:13.12 | seebs | There was some loop which would in theory end up dereferencing a null pointer in a way that, on that architecture, was harmless -- it'd read a value before figuring out the value wouldn't be used or some such. |
| 16:13.34 | seebs | So the compiler proved this, and having proved it, concluded that the loop test turned out to be meaningless. So it optimized the loop test out. |
| 16:14.20 | seebs | I love modern compilers. |
| 16:15.00 | starlon | hehe |
| 16:15.57 | seebs | My favorite part of my job, in general, is that people send me code that is misbehaving and they don't know why, and I get to figure out why. |
| 16:16.10 | seebs | But I only get it if it's hard enough that they think "compiler is buggy" is a reasonable explanation. |
| 16:16.26 | starlon | hehe |
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| 20:39.52 | Sunspots | Evening! |
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| 21:54.31 | seebs | Yay, the guy who claims addons can contain keyloggers is ragequitting! |
| 21:59.38 | Sunspots | :P |
| 22:00.35 | seebs | I am not sure I believe that someone who regularly meets with the US government to advise them on security genuinely believes that plain text files can "contain keyloggers". |
| 22:00.47 | seebs | On the other hand. This would explain a LOT about our security. |
| 22:00.56 | Sunspots | haha |
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| 23:35.57 | seebs | ... |
| 23:35.57 | seebs | ZORBA LOVES US! |
| 23:37.15 | seebs | * Added Command.Tooltip(). This allows addons to set the current tooltip. <-- I am not sure I understand. |
| 23:39.44 | seebs | ... Side note, today's addon change notes are roughly as interesting to me as the rest of what I know about 1.6. |
| 23:41.00 | Snstr | I guess it gives us access to the standard rift tooltip for .. things .. |
| 23:41.44 | Snstr | damn I wanted to go to bed now im tempted to try out some stuff... |
| 23:42.04 | seebs | I guess, okay, so I set the tooltip. How long does it stay set? |
| 23:42.12 | seebs | What can I set it to? What formatting tools do I get? :) |
| 23:43.59 | seebs | I'ma grab the name LootSorter for my text-oriented bag addon. |
| 23:44.04 | seebs | Because /ls |
| 23:45.10 | Snstr | hahah I remember u mentioned smth like that before - u really want to do that? :D |
| 23:45.20 | seebs | Actually, yeah. |
| 23:45.36 | seebs | Thing is. I read about 30 million times faster than I process pictures. (Slight exaggeration.) |
| 23:45.54 | seebs | If I could do /ls -t quest... That would be a LOT faster than looking at my quest items. |
| 23:46.10 | seebs | Or /ls *ore* |
| 23:46.49 | seebs | Also, combining/stacking/counting-stacks, etc. |
| 23:47.22 | Snstr | looking forward on seeing it! |
| 23:47.29 | Snstr | has anything similar been done before? |
| 23:47.33 | Snstr | text-bag :D |
| 23:48.38 | seebs | Dunno. |
| 23:49.00 | seebs | The really fun part would be making a sortable window with rows for items instead of boxes, but this is gonna wait on scrollbars. |
| 23:49.08 | seebs | And possibly on Copious Free Time. |
| 23:51.46 | starlon | Command.Tooltip() eh. Hmm |
| 23:52.10 | starlon | must get PTS installed. |
| 23:52.13 | starlon | lol |
| 23:52.31 | seebs | Yeah, uhm, me too. |
| 23:52.39 | starlon | :) |
| 23:52.44 | seebs | I'm copying the assets dir from my live copy in the hopes that it'll trim a couple GB. |
| 23:52.52 | starlon | heh |
| 23:53.53 | starlon | I was 2 hours from finished downloading then I had to drop the connection, and cxgames seems to fail at interrupted installs. |
| 23:54.19 | seebs | Eww. |
| 23:54.39 | seebs | The trick, for me, with rift installs has been to very carefully separate "install the launcher" from "try to download the game files". |
| 23:58.41 | seebs | I wonder if I would get in trouble for making a bag addon named Baggotry. |
