| 00:11.47 | Hyperi | Oh well, copypasted another addon, and modified the .toc - still no clue why it hated me |
| 00:11.57 | Hyperi | Maybe due the '-' special char :/ |
| 00:29.52 | seebs | Where was the -? |
| 00:37.27 | Hyperi | Directory name |
| 00:37.53 | Hyperi | And naturally in identifier aswell then |
| 00:37.58 | Hyperi | Casing was matching |
| 00:38.16 | Hyperi | seebs = the_real_seebs @forum? :P (Rift official forums that is) |
| 00:39.10 | seebs | ayup |
| 00:39.19 | Hyperi | Ok |
| 00:40.10 | Hyperi | Want to continue discussion in here or private so we don't flood down the forum? |
| 00:40.26 | seebs | The guild I started in has sort of fallen apart, so I decided to start one. I am now the founder of <AFK>, the premiere guild for people who are not actually present at the moment. |
| 00:40.45 | seebs | Since I founded it, I have met people in <Dye Vendor> and <General Goods>. |
| 00:41.54 | Hyperi | Discussion from here that is: http://forums.riftgame.com/beta-addon-api-development/258724-post-your-small-addon-api-suggestions-here-16.html |
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| 02:04.59 | Marru_Home | hey guys |
| 02:22.42 | seebs | heya |
| 02:22.57 | Marru_Home | so i have a weird issue |
| 02:23.06 | seebs | I just HORRIBLY hurt someone. Apparently, I bugged an epic quest by mining near it. MALICE AFORETHOUGHT. |
| 02:25.03 | seebs | So tell us of this "weird issue" you have. |
| 02:25.17 | seebs | Unless it's more of a "see a doctor" weird issue than an "IRC" weird issue. |
| 02:25.22 | Marru_Home | string.format("%d", encounter.player.dps) |
| 02:25.25 | Marru_Home | is always zero |
| 02:25.37 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 02:25.42 | seebs | What is encounter.player.dps? |
| 02:25.52 | Marru_Home | should be my dmg |
| 02:25.53 | Marru_Home | hold on |
| 02:25.58 | Marru_Home | i'll start printin it to test |
| 02:26.10 | seebs | Step one would be, right before that, to do encounter.player.dps = 5 and see whether you get "5". |
| 02:26.34 | Marru_Home | ok, its inf... wtf |
| 02:26.52 | seebs | Well, given IEEE, that almost certainly means you divided something by zero. |
| 02:27.09 | seebs | Possibly your calculation of the number of seconds is busted? |
| 02:28.38 | Marru_Home | http://pastebin.com/iXyG2Sg9 |
| 02:28.48 | Marru_Home | hold on, lemme find you line numbers |
| 02:29.07 | Marru_Home | 790's is where i print it |
| 02:29.25 | Marru_Home | 770s is where i update it, and that same function is where time gets measured |
| 02:31.34 | Marru_Home | then its 1000ish where the dmg gets recorded |
| 02:35.33 | Marru_Home | any ideas? |
| 02:45.23 | seebs | What is tempTime, specifically? Print that and see, my guess would be that it'd be zero. |
| 02:45.59 | seebs | Because if this happens in the same tick that startTimer() does, it SHOULD be zero. |
| 02:46.31 | Marru_Home | it is |
| 02:46.33 | Marru_Home | but why? |
| 02:46.48 | seebs | Because you're asking how long it's been since right now. |
| 02:47.09 | Marru_Home | tempTime = Inspect.Time.Frame() - time |
| 02:47.10 | seebs | You check the time, you get a timestamp. You check the time again right away, and subtract the old timestamp from the new one. |
| 02:47.14 | seebs | They're the same timestamp, so you get 0. |
| 02:47.24 | Marru_Home | right, for the first split second |
| 02:47.31 | Marru_Home | but after it should be > 0 |
| 02:47.57 | seebs | Probably something is going wrong causing it to keep updating time. |
| 02:48.10 | seebs | Or the name "time" is magic and isn't really your local variable at all. |
| 02:48.20 | Marru_Home | it worked fine b4... |
| 02:49.02 | Marru_Home | changed it to startTime |
| 02:49.06 | Marru_Home | we'll see |
| 02:49.06 | seebs | I'd point out that startTimer() is both directly setting time, and calling reset() which also sets time. |
| 02:49.22 | seebs | That's not necessarily wrong, but it suggests that it MIGHT be related. |
| 02:49.30 | seebs | The short/easy fix is: |
| 02:49.37 | seebs | if tempTime < 1 then tempTime = 1 end |
| 02:49.57 | seebs | but I'd personally suggest you track down what's happening so you understand it, because it may turn out something else is getting screwed up too, but it's more subtle. |
| 02:50.12 | Marru_Home | yeah |
| 02:51.44 | Marru_Home | fixed |
| 04:22.32 | Hyperi | seebs: wth ? :< |
| 04:22.47 | Hyperi | hacked by URLs? oO |
| 04:41.13 | seebs | Most MMO players are Not Clever. |
| 04:41.29 | seebs | If you hand them an obfuscated URL, or even a plain old one that happens to go to the wrong place, they will usually click on the link. |
| 04:41.40 | seebs | And they will quite likely have a browser configured to kill them for doing so. |
| 04:42.01 | seebs | Have you actually SEEN how crappy most phish attempts are? And yet they work on thousands and thousands of people. |
| 04:42.31 | seebs | If you have to actually figure out how to copy the URL to go to the page, the most incompetent users are protected from their own stupidity. :) |
| 05:10.19 | seebs | d'oh |
| 05:10.30 | seebs | I tried an experiment in an invasion. I healed one of the defense objectives. |
| 05:10.43 | seebs | This was highly effective, because I could keep it alive... |
| 05:10.53 | seebs | But it yields ZERO planarite or any other kind of credit for participation. |
| 05:11.00 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 05:11.19 | Marru_Home | pick up the skill that makes ur overheals do aoe dmg |
| 05:11.23 | Marru_Home | then tada |
| 05:11.32 | seebs | Overheals? HAH. |
| 05:11.38 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 05:11.41 | Marru_Home | what lvl are you? |
| 05:11.42 | seebs | I managed to keep it up to about 46k out of 108k. |
| 05:11.44 | seebs | Level 42. |
| 05:11.50 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 05:11.51 | Marru_Home | well |
| 05:11.54 | seebs | I did about 50k-60k healing. |
| 05:11.57 | Marru_Home | get to 50 >.< |
| 05:12.05 | seebs | Which is why the guy died at the first bulwark. :) |
| 06:10.01 | seebs | You know what would be an awesome setting? Action bar lock that locks the bars "unless powers window is open", so you can edit powers without going into settings to mess with them. |
| 06:12.43 | Marru_Home | ya lol |
| 06:14.01 | seebs | I was mildly surprised that names like <General Goods> were available for guilds. |
| 06:14.36 | Marru_Home | every mmo has had ppl who did that |
| 06:14.55 | seebs | I just started a guild, <AFK>. :) |
| 06:15.09 | seebs | I renamed all the guild ranks to things like "Bio Break" or "Spouse Aggro". |
| 06:15.43 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 06:16.23 | seebs | And we are now a level 2 guild, thanks to my obsessive artifact-hunting. |
| 06:17.10 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 06:17.12 | Marru_Home | whats shard? |
| 06:17.28 | seebs | Faeblight. |
| 06:17.34 | Marru_Home | ahahahahaha |
| 06:17.36 | seebs | It's where I mostly know people. |
| 06:17.45 | Marru_Home | <--- Cruorr <Bar Room Heroes> |
| 06:17.52 | Marru_Home | on faeblight |
| 06:18.02 | seebs | G/D? |
| 06:18.11 | Marru_Home | defiant |
| 06:18.23 | seebs | Neat! |
| 06:18.25 | Marru_Home | hbu? |
| 06:18.39 | seebs | I play both, but <AFK> is Defiant. |
| 06:18.43 | Marru_Home | nice |
| 06:18.55 | seebs | I mostly use the riftrp channel as a way to find people to do stuff with. |
| 06:18.59 | Marru_Home | well if u get to 50 and wanna raid lemme know :) |
| 06:19.08 | Marru_Home | lol u rp? |
| 06:19.10 | seebs | I would so kill for global channels and/or coalitions-of-guilds. |
| 06:19.25 | seebs | Yeah. I'm not much for the sitting in taverns chatting thing, but... |
| 06:19.26 | Marru_Home | 50 chat is basically a global channel |
| 06:19.38 | seebs | Basically, I don't have any motivation unless I have character concepts. |
| 06:19.43 | seebs | No, globals are... It's a CoH thing. |
| 06:19.54 | Marru_Home | i know what a global channel is |
| 06:19.56 | Marru_Home | aion had it |
| 06:20.02 | Marru_Home | lfg was a global channel |
| 06:20.03 | seebs | Imagine a named channel which is *global*. ALL servers. And you're in it, not under a character name, but under an account handle. |
| 06:20.10 | seebs | All servers, all factions. |
| 06:20.11 | Marru_Home | oooooh |
| 06:20.14 | Marru_Home | crazy |
| 06:20.19 | seebs | SO wonderful. |
| 06:20.22 | Marru_Home | why? |
| 06:20.26 | Marru_Home | it'd be soooo abused |
| 06:20.33 | seebs | It's not really abusable that I can tell. |
| 06:20.45 | seebs | And it's SO excellent. Say you make friends. You and your friends make a global channel. |
| 06:20.54 | seebs | From now on, you will ALWAYS be able to talk to those friends. |
| 06:20.58 | Marru_Home | ooooh |
| 06:21.03 | Marru_Home | you can make them |
| 06:21.05 | seebs | No matter what server you're playing on. No matter how often you make new alts. |
| 06:21.12 | Marru_Home | i thought it was like everyone online on rift would be in the same one |
| 06:21.14 | seebs | Yeah, and people make them by the dozens. |
| 06:21.17 | seebs | Oh heck no. |
| 06:21.25 | Marru_Home | yeah that sounds awesome |
| 06:21.47 | seebs | But you might do something where, say, your guild makes a global channel, "Bar Room Heroes". And all your members join it. |
| 06:21.57 | seebs | Then no matter what alts they're playing, they are always in the Bar Room Heroes chat. |
| 06:21.57 | Marru_Home | yeah |
| 06:22.00 | Marru_Home | we sorta do that |
| 06:22.02 | seebs | It's awesome. |
| 06:22.04 | Marru_Home | but we split it up |
| 06:22.12 | Marru_Home | we have brhdps brhheals etc |
| 06:22.24 | seebs | I don't honestly know why rift hasn't got global channels and handles. It's the best social feature ever. |
| 06:22.31 | seebs | I kid you not, I think it's why CoH is still profitable. |
| 06:22.37 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 06:22.39 | Marru_Home | aight |
| 06:22.44 | Marru_Home | well im gettin off |
| 06:22.48 | seebs | Seeya round! |
| 06:22.50 | Marru_Home | gonna watch some tv |
| 06:22.51 | Marru_Home | night |
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| 11:17.08 | Dramiel | is it possible to increase load order priority of an addon? |
| 11:24.47 | starlon | There's Dependencies in the toc file. |
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| 11:50.40 | NerfedWar | Got a question about the Event.Combat.Death event. Sometimes when I'm killed the id of the 'caster' passed by the event returns nil from Inspect.Unit.Detail(id). Anyone else come across this? |
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| 12:12.37 | Dramiel | starlon: yes, but that's not quite what I need - i need my addon to load as soon as possible without knowing what other addons are installed |
| 12:15.44 | starlon | I don't think you can do that. |
| 12:15.58 | Dramiel | NerfedWar: I might be wrong, but I believe that for Inspect.Unit.Detail to return anything the unit must be available by some of the unit specifiers like "player.target" or "player.target.target" or so |
| 12:16.09 | starlon | What happens if you get two addons that both want to load before everyone else? |
| 12:16.21 | NerfedWar | Ann okay, thanks Dramei. |
| 12:16.52 | Dramiel | then they load in whatever order, but still earlier than the rest |
| 12:17.05 | Dramiel | I don't really need *all* but *most* |
| 12:17.10 | starlon | ah |
| 12:17.35 | Dramiel | this is quire rare requirement, but it is quite essential for error handling addon |
| 12:18.09 | starlon | wonders if you can check on installed addons inside the toc. |
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| 12:29.54 | NerfedWar | Hmm keeping a cache of unit details seems to work |
| 12:30.36 | NerfedWar | Problem seems to be when I get killed by a dot or something, the caster unit I'd does not resolve using Inspect detail |
| 12:30.59 | NerfedWar | If I store a cache of everyone that hits me, then I can work it out later |
| 12:33.17 | NerfedWar | Need to do more testing to confirm. Addon works now though :) |
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| 18:11.59 | seebs | Idle question: What's the current state of useful benchmarking tools in RIFT UI land? |
| 18:13.34 | seebs | I was toying with the idea of trying to make a tool that was designed to let you track time used by individual callbacks or event handlers. |
| 18:14.18 | seebs | Although... I'm not sure we actually have the tools for sub-millisecond time counting, without which it'd be guesswork anyway. |
| 18:14.59 | Hyperi | Well why is sub-milliseconds required? |
| 18:15.03 | Hyperi | Just up the scale higher |
| 18:15.30 | Hyperi | e.g. make 1'000'000 calls, combine the results - flip them over |
| 18:15.57 | Hyperi | e.g. result = result*-1 |
| 18:16.21 | seebs | The thing I wanted to do was allow real-world testing. |
| 18:16.33 | seebs | Say you have a handler for an event. I want to be able to wrap your event handler calls and time them. |
| 18:16.35 | Hyperi | What is real-world? |
| 18:16.38 | Hyperi | Or do you mean real-time ? |
| 18:16.47 | seebs | So I'm timing the actual time taken processing *actual* events, rather than synthetic ones. |
| 18:16.48 | Hyperi | ah |
| 18:17.00 | Hyperi | Without utime, it's kinda impossible |
| 18:17.05 | Hyperi | For a single call |
| 18:17.15 | seebs | Yeah, that was what I was thinking. |
| 18:17.22 | Hyperi | utime = nano time :> |
| 18:17.31 | Hyperi | I'm still hoping for the url |
| 18:17.34 | seebs | ZorbaGama, what timing stuff are you planning to make available for us? |
| 18:17.46 | Hyperi | Feature I've missed the most (after auctioneer .P) |
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| 18:18.24 | Hyperi | seebs: You've used Prat/Chatmod in WoW ? |
| 18:18.28 | seebs | yeah |
| 18:18.33 | Hyperi | I would like that kind of approach |
| 18:18.45 | Hyperi | So it only pops up textarea that you can copypaste to your browser |
| 18:19.20 | seebs | That wouldn't be awful. |
| 18:19.43 | Hyperi | Auto-open would just be annoying anyways |
| 18:19.49 | Hyperi | As you can easily misclick links |
| 18:19.54 | Hyperi | In the midst of raid for example...... |
| 18:20.27 | Hyperi | But making URLs easier to get (also possibility to be able to copypaste anything from chat/battle windows would also work) |
| 18:20.39 | Hyperi | And getting some sort of auctioneer help |
| 18:20.59 | Hyperi | Basically what is my problem with the current auction house |
| 18:21.16 | Hyperi | Is when I try to sell something, I'm not given a chance to see the current same items sold by others |
| 18:21.28 | Hyperi | So there is awful amount of manual work per item to get stuff in there :/ |
| 18:22.25 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 18:22.28 | seebs | Also no autosplitting. |
| 18:22.54 | Hyperi | nod |
| 18:23.00 | Hyperi | Best option would be that there would be no need for an addon |
| 18:23.18 | Hyperi | But then again, addons give developers more time to develop content or new major features |
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| 18:23.50 | seebs | Oh, hey. We do have Inspect.Time.Real(). |
| 18:23.56 | BunnyHarbinger | It would be nice to see current item prices on the same part of the auction interface, but you can switch to |
| 18:24.03 | BunnyHarbinger | "browse" to see it, then back again. |
| 18:24.09 | BunnyHarbinger | Unfortunately, that's what most people do I think |
| 18:24.16 | Hyperi | BunnyHarbinger: Like I said, alot of manual work |
| 18:24.18 | seebs | Although if you have an item, you right-click to place in AH, you can't then use it to browse in the other frame. |
| 18:24.22 | seebs | Because it's greyed out. |
| 18:24.28 | Hyperi | Also if you switch between tabs, you lose the selected item |
| 18:24.33 | Hyperi | And need to put it there again |
| 18:24.34 | BunnyHarbinger | True seebs..and that's very odd |
| 18:24.48 | seebs | Assuming that Inspect.Time.Real() can actually update within a frame, I have what I want. :) |
| 18:25.24 | Hyperi | Which form does Inspect.Time.Real() come in? |
| 18:25.39 | Hyperi | 0.123451 integer or 0.125112ms? |
| 18:28.27 | seebs | It's "in seconds". |
| 18:28.32 | seebs | Dunno what the precision is. |
| 18:28.46 | seebs | And now that I know it exists, I wanna use it to see whether the overclocking thing blows it up too. |
| 18:29.28 | Hyperi | Use luapad to test? :P |
| 18:29.45 | Hyperi | Just type print(Inspect.Time.Real()) ? |
| 18:30.16 | seebs | Well, I'd have to make a fancy display and probably compare it with results from Inspect.Time.Frame, etc. |
| 18:30.51 | Hyperi | Also, doesn't LUA have function to get time itself ? |
| 18:31.21 | seebs | It does, but it's only accurate to seconds. |
| 18:31.35 | Hyperi | Sure it doesn't provide microseconds in any way ? |
| 18:31.55 | seebs | It produces a table which looks eerily like a C "struct tm". :) |
| 18:32.46 | Hyperi | :( |
| 18:35.37 | seebs | Lua has to work on stuff that doesn't really have exposed sub-second timers, as I recall. :) |
| 18:36.41 | Kreiri | What does Mask frame type do? |
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| 19:59.54 | seebs | Kreiri: I think it turns an ordinary, boring, frame that no one pays any attention to into the Phantom of the Lua API, who cackles maniacally and swings around on ropes. |
| 20:00.09 | seebs | ... Better a late and obviously wrong answer than no answer at all, I say. |
| 20:00.30 | BunnyHarbinger | 'A' for effort |
| 20:04.24 | seebs | I still think it's funny how much more effective answering a question incorrectly can be than asking it for getting answers. |
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| 23:23.08 | seebs | I am thinking to do some benchmarky stuff, and trying to name the addon. If an addon were going to provide tools for things like "calculate the time I spend in my event callbacks", what would be a good name for it? |
| 23:23.20 | seebs | (Note that I may fail to implement this, it's just an idea right now.) |
| 23:47.59 | Dramiel1 | naming project is most of the time the hardest thing :p |
| 23:48.36 | seebs | Heh. |
| 23:48.49 | Torhal | CallbackCalculator! |
| 23:48.54 | Torhal | hides. |
| 23:49.01 | seebs | I'm also trying to think what the interface for it should look like. |
| 23:49.56 | seebs | The basic idea I had was something like newcallback = CallbackTimerWrapper("string", existingcallback) |
| 23:50.22 | seebs | This returns a function which, when used as an event handler, logs the time spent in existingcallback under the tag "string", and then you can look at time spent. |
| 23:50.47 | seebs | This all assumes that Inspect.Time.Real() is updated live, such that consecutive calls with computation between them actually show time spent. |
| 23:51.13 | seebs | I recognize that real time isn't always as useful as CPU time, but this is a way to get time breakdowns for specific event handlers rather than an addon as a whole. |
| 23:52.17 | seebs | I also want to mess with building a benchmarky thing that tries to call something "enough times to get a good feel for it" without a big risk of freezing your system for a few seconds. |
| 23:58.05 | Dramiel1 | seebs: http://pastebin.com/F9gpeyVF this would be cool.. without calling diagnostics:Enable diagnostics:Wrap would return only the function without doing anything else |