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| 05:53.38 | starlon | man installing Ubuntu via Windows screwed my partition table up majorly. |
| 05:53.59 | seebs | It used to be so good about that, but 11.10 screwed me up pretty badly too. |
| 05:54.10 | starlon | nods. |
| 05:54.20 | starlon | I only had 30gb to work with. |
| 05:54.31 | starlon | cause wubi is that dumb |
| 05:55.22 | starlon | went to install WoW and it said I only had 7gb left. Was like wtf. 500gb drive come on |
| 06:13.52 | Lildry | sounds like its time to upgrade to a 2tb |
| 06:19.56 | starlon | heh |
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| 09:23.22 | Snstr | good morning |
| 09:37.58 | starlon | morning |
| 11:33.03 | Snstr | under what cirumstances do Health and HealthMax return a boolean? on death? offline? warfront? |
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| 18:42.43 | seebs | I need a plexiglass sign. I want to commit art. |
| 18:43.02 | seebs | There is a sculpture garden sort of near my house, which has a series of stone benches on which someone carved Deep And Meaningful Thoughts. |
| 18:43.07 | seebs | They are insipid. |
| 18:43.24 | seebs | I wish to put a sign next to one of them that says "There is an additional message on the underside of one of these." |
| 18:44.11 | seebs | Obviously, the additional message is actually on the underside of the sign, not the benches. But the goal is to get a bunch of people to crawl around the sculpture garden looking at the underside of tiny stone benches. |
| 18:48.35 | seebs | ... |
| 18:48.40 | seebs | wtf |
| 18:48.41 | seebs | it worked |
| 18:48.59 | seebs | I posted an image of an OBVIOUSLY WRONG item in the scavenger hunt thread, and at least four people have come along and posted that same item. |
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| 18:53.12 | seebs | No, wait, three. I can't count to single digits. |
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| 19:12.15 | BunnyHarbinger | hello |
| 19:13.22 | seebs | Hello. |
| 19:14.16 | BunnyHarbinger | I swore there was a post somewhere about which version lua Rift addons were using, but I can't find it. Can anyone confirm the version? |
| 19:17.28 | Lyme | 5 |
| 19:17.58 | BunnyHarbinger | Thanks |
| 19:19.06 | Lyme | http://wiki.riftui.com/Author_resources is helpful. |
| 19:19.51 | Lyme | Basicly rift uses LuaJIT, which while still in beta status is quite stable.. hmm.. supports 5.1. |
| 19:21.10 | BunnyHarbinger | Hmm, that may have been what I saw before. Thanks for the link. I'll have to save it this go-around. |
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| 21:57.55 | ZorbaTHut | bunny, it's luajit 2.0, which is compatible with lua 5.1.4 |
| 21:58.13 | ZorbaTHut | it will probably not be moving to lua 5.2 in the foreseeable future |
| 21:58.36 | ZorbaTHut | also oh man you guys have no idea how glad I am that the item API is nearing completion. this thing is a beast. |
| 22:01.15 | seebs | I just got curious and went and looked at the luajit benchmarks. Yow. |
| 22:02.16 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they're really, really good |
| 22:02.19 | seebs | So Zorba, what kinds of things will the item API allow us to do? |
| 22:02.37 | seebs | Bag mods, I assume? Inventory tracking across alts? |
| 22:02.38 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, inspect, move, and destroy items. "move" includes "equip" (you move it to your equipment). |
| 22:02.58 | ZorbaTHut | it covers (thinks) inventory, bank, guildbank, character, wardrobe, and quest bag |
| 22:03.00 | seebs | Is money an items? |
| 22:03.09 | ZorbaTHut | no support for currency yet |
| 22:03.12 | seebs | 'k |
| 22:03.20 | ZorbaTHut | mostly because there's not a lot useful you can do with it |
| 22:03.23 | seebs | I assume there's events for stuff like "items were sold and removed from bags"? |
| 22:03.36 | ZorbaTHut | not "sold" - you just find out that it's not there anymore |
| 22:03.39 | seebs | I would kill for currency *tracking*. I can't think of anything I'd do with it. |
| 22:03.51 | seebs | I mean, do with currency. Other than track it. |
| 22:03.53 | ZorbaTHut | that sort of thing will show up, but it's not in this segment |
| 22:03.55 | seebs | Tracking it would be awesome. :) |
| 22:03.59 | seebs | k |
| 22:04.30 | ZorbaTHut | in theory, it should include everything needed for bag addons and for equipment managers. |
| 22:04.31 | seebs | I am thinking to make a bag mod that abandons the icons entirely in favor of a scrolling sortable list. |
| 22:04.44 | seebs | I don't LIKE icons. I like words. |
| 22:05.21 | seebs | BTW, I successfully got a few people to post pictures of a [Troll Oil Gland] in a scavenger hunt. :P |
| 22:05.35 | seebs | Turns out, people really ARE just looking at the first post rather than reading the question on the community blog. |
| 22:06.35 | ZorbaTHut | hah |
| 22:07.10 | seebs | I'm betting this will be even more effective on trivia contests. Next trivia contest I'm gonna try to get in with a frist psot of "The workers control the means of production." |
| 22:07.40 | seebs | I warned Walsingham so he doesn't accidentally use "what is the theoretical basis of communism" as a rift trivia question. |
| 22:12.28 | ZorbaTHut | I swear every time I come home this cat acts like she's been abandoned for centuries |
| 22:12.46 | ZorbaTHut | do you have any idea how hard it is to heal with a cat on your arm? |
| 22:14.37 | seebs | Ayup. |
| 22:14.50 | seebs | Solution: Stop coming home! |
| 22:14.56 | seebs | Since it makes the cat unhappy, see. |
| 22:16.20 | seebs | I am sort of leaning towards LootSorter. /ls -u [username] to see that player's inventory as last observed. |
| 22:16.42 | seebs | With wildcards (or failing that, lua patterns). |
| 22:18.29 | seebs | I just want to see whether I can make a pretty interface that uses lines-of-text. Hmm. That's gonna need a scrollbar, do we have scrollbars coming? |
| 22:19.09 | ZorbaTHut | I can give you a firm "maybe". |
| 22:19.14 | seebs | heh |
| 22:19.25 | seebs | I can presumably do my own scroll bar by hand, it just seems like a bunch of work. |
| 22:19.41 | ZorbaTHut | I can say that they're coming in a long-term sense. They're on the fuzzy line of things that may or may not make it into 1.6. |
| 22:20.16 | seebs | Man, this is so fun. |
| 22:20.44 | seebs | I am really looking forward to the item API. I messed with item-related stuff in WoW a bit, it drove me insane, I fled screaming. |
| 22:21.17 | seebs | I particularly recall that the item tooltip hover thing induced some kind of nightmarish fugue state and I still don't remember what it was that was so horrifying. |
| 22:21.43 | seebs | But I do recall that my idea of "I will move the item tooltips to a fixed location" was well beyond "impractical" into "doing this is like playing chicken with the laws of physics". |
| 22:25.59 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, tooltips were always a major problem |
| 22:26.09 | ZorbaTHut | and as I recall, a good deal of item-related info could only be derived by tooltip scraping |
| 22:27.04 | ZorbaTHut | one thing I'm *hoping* to squeeze in is tooltip monitoring and control - I don't think most people are interested in reimplementing rift tooltips for their addon. |
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| 22:33.06 | Snstr | altho the chance is probs non-existant - anyone ehre with an Asus M4A79XTD EVO board? |
| 22:46.19 | seebs | Oh, heck yeah. |
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| 22:46.37 | seebs | Snstr: Not I, although I think I have an M3A 79 or something like it. |
| 22:46.57 | seebs | I would love proper tooltip hooks or something comparable so we weren't just stuck trying to duplicate them or hide them, scrape them, and recreate them. |
| 22:48.16 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately *full* tooltip hooks may not happen |
| 22:48.41 | seebs | Heh. I just had a great idea for a Bad Addon. |
| 22:48.44 | ZorbaTHut | but I can probably give at least an event/set/inspect trio |
| 22:49.05 | seebs | It's called I AM SO AWESOME, and all it does is edit all displays so you think everything you're fighting is two or three levels higher than it is, and has twice as many hit points. :) |
| 22:52.45 | ZorbaTHut | I always wanted to make a really-big-numbers mod |
| 22:52.56 | ZorbaTHut | did you used to have 10,000 hit points? NOW YOU HAVE TEN MILLION HIT POINTS |
| 22:55.16 | seebs | Or just throw up little bouncing 9999 over enemies whenever you kill them. |
| 22:55.55 | seebs | I wonder whether I could make a credible roguelike entirely in lua. Well. Obviously I could, but would I have the attention span? |
| 22:59.01 | seebs | I should fake up survey results to present Trion with evidence that THE highest priority for the addon API is a working z-machine interpreter along with API calls for it. |
| 23:05.42 | seebs | A friend of mine was reading a game development discussion board, where someone was discussing his plans for an Eye of the Beholder clone. |
| 23:06.02 | seebs | It would need roughly a gigabyte of memory to hold the 10 level dungeon. |
| 23:11.12 | ZorbaTHut | I am pretty sure it's possible to do that more efficiently :V |
| 23:13.19 | seebs | It was a thing of beauty. |
| 23:13.33 | seebs | Trying to find the data structure. |
| 23:18.23 | seebs | Global Dim Dropped_Items.s(99,54,54,4,999) ; => this blow things up |
| 23:19.00 | ZorbaTHut | time for someone to learn how to make sparse arrays :V |
| 23:19.02 | seebs | Okay, 99 levels. |
| 23:19.09 | ZorbaTHut | what's the 999 for? |
| 23:19.13 | seebs | Yeah. 99 levels, 54x54, each with four subsquares. |
| 23:19.17 | seebs | Each of which can hold 999 objects. |
| 23:19.34 | seebs | This is the guy who is arguing with people over the space he's saving by storing the string "ff" instead of the value 255. |
| 23:19.38 | seebs | I think. |
| 23:19.38 | ZorbaTHut | yow |
| 23:19.44 | seebs | He's not lucid enough for us to be sure what he's saying. |
| 23:20.18 | ZorbaTHut | I will happily waste CPU and memory when it makes sense |
| 23:20.21 | ZorbaTHut | but this does not make sense |
| 23:20.50 | seebs | They also had a guy a while back who was outraged that this language didn't support over 300 digits of exact decimal precision the way MS does. |
| 23:21.11 | ZorbaTHut | if you need it, you're probably doing something wrong |
| 23:21.16 | seebs | Because if you look at MS's documentation, it gives the range of double-precision float as +/-(N)E+308. |
| 23:21.26 | seebs | So clearly they have exact representations for those 300 digits. |
| 23:21.38 | ZorbaTHut | hah |
| 23:21.43 | seebs | I love programming kooks. |
| 23:21.51 | seebs | I actually managed to get Edward Nilges stalking me for a while! |
| 23:24.01 | ZorbaTHut | I had to look that name up, and it still didn't help |
| 23:24.43 | seebs | He's... this guy. He is the guy about whom Mike Godwin once said something quotable, apparently. |
| 23:24.59 | seebs | He is batshit insane, and he has been banned from Wikipedia many times. |
| 23:25.14 | seebs | The fun is that, if he thinks you are wrong, he thinks everything you say is wrong. |
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| 23:25.39 | seebs | He got into an argument with someone. The person disagreed with him. The person disagreeing with him then referred, in passing, to Herb Schildt's atrocious books on C. |
| 23:26.05 | seebs | So Nilges, being a nutjob, took it upon himself to prove to the world that Schildt is the BEST WRITER EVER. And that all the criticisms of him are completely unfounded. |
| 23:26.22 | seebs | This resulted in, for instance, repeatedly trying to edit out any reference to criticisms of his books from Wikipedia. |
| 23:26.40 | seebs | Eventually this led to someone concluding that my page griping about one of the books was a reasonable citation (since I was on the ISO C comittee). |
| 23:27.01 | seebs | At this point, Nilges concluded that, since my page had been evidence against him, if I could just be persuaded to retract the page, HE WOULD WIN EVERYTHING. |
| 23:27.17 | seebs | Whereupon he made hundreds if not thousands of posts in comp.lang.c and comp.lang.c.moderated on the topic. |
| 23:27.35 | ZorbaTHut | huh. fascinating person, really. |
| 23:27.40 | seebs | A fairly typical example was his outraged post demanding that some guy retract his statements about Schildt. This guy had never made any such statements. |
| 23:28.02 | seebs | The fault here was, of course, with the moderator who had maliciously approved a post based on a factual error. |
| 23:28.31 | seebs | The guy is hilarious. He explained that the reason C++ was successful was the powerful unions in Denmark. |
| 23:28.53 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes I really wonder what brain bug results in people going off the deep end |
| 23:29.05 | ZorbaTHut | then I remember I voluntarily chose to work in the game industry |
| 23:29.10 | seebs | About 70% of internet trolls are pathological narcissism. |
| 23:29.11 | seebs | Heh. |
| 23:29.13 | ZorbaTHut | so, well, what can you do |
| 23:29.36 | seebs | Basically, if your brain can't accept the idea that you have ever made a mistake, you will believe ABSOLUTELY INSANE things to keep from feeling like you have EVER been wrong. |
| 23:29.58 | seebs | Nilges went on a rant once about how his misspellings are an example of the immense skill with which he has mastered English. |
| 23:30.40 | seebs | There's others with roughly the same disorder, he's just a spectacularly epic version. |
| 23:31.07 | seebs | My personal contribution is that I pointed out that naive Hungarian can be pointless, so he's started putting gigantic prefixes on variable names to prove that I'm wrong. |
| 23:31.40 | ZorbaTHut | that's a really crummy proof :V |
| 23:31.51 | seebs | It is. |
| 23:32.35 | BunnyHarbinger | I had to scroll way up to see it, but thanks for the answer as well Zorba |
| 23:32.54 | seebs | > long strLen(char *strInstring) |
| 23:32.54 | seebs | > { |
| 23:32.54 | seebs | > char *ptrInstring; |
| 23:32.54 | seebs | > for (ptrInstring = strInstring; *ptrInstring; ptrInstring++); |
| 23:32.54 | seebs | > return ptrInstring - strInstring; |
| 23:32.55 | seebs | > } |
| 23:33.11 | ZorbaTHut | bunny, np :) |
| 23:33.17 | seebs | he wrote this because he feels that it is extremely bad style to rely on the standard library in C, which has a poorly chosen definition of "string". |
| 23:33.33 | seebs | I also cherish this one: |
| 23:33.34 | seebs | > char * ptrIndex0; |
| 23:33.34 | seebs | > char * ptrIndex1; |
| 23:33.34 | seebs | > char * ptrIndex2; |
| 23:33.34 | seebs | > char * ptrIndex3; |
| 23:33.40 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, oddly, way back in the MSVC6 days, I tried reimplementing strlen/strcpy just to see what the speed was like |
| 23:33.53 | seebs | Note that the names are simultaneously completely meaningless AND wrong. |
| 23:33.54 | ZorbaTHut | turned out I beat MSVC's standard library by a factor of two - their implementation was still optimized for the 486 |
| 23:33.59 | seebs | hah |
| 23:35.36 | seebs | some years back (I had a 68040 and it was fast), there was this guy in comp.lang.c arguing that if Mozilla had been written in assembly it would be 100x faster. |
| 23:35.58 | seebs | He eventually showed off by demonstrating his ability to write a trivial bit-blitting operation in assembly, comparing it to a C version someone had provided. |
| 23:36.02 | seebs | His was slower. |
| 23:36.09 | BunnyHarbinger | hah |
| 23:36.27 | seebs | The thing that's beautiful about this is that they'd posted their code, AND the assembly it compiled to. |
| 23:36.29 | ZorbaTHut | premature optimization, man |
| 23:36.33 | seebs | So he could, you know. Have started with that. |
| 23:39.43 | BunnyHarbinger | are there plans for an API for the auction system as well? |
| 23:40.22 | Torhal | installs CP/M and Logo on seebs. |
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| 23:42.06 | ZorbaBeta | and that's my IRC client crashing |
| 23:42.21 | ZorbaBeta | bunny, it's something I personally would like to do, but I have to run it past Design to make sure they're okay with it. No promises. |
| 23:43.21 | BunnyHarbinger | Yeah, I'd assume the process works like that. |
| 23:43.30 | BunnyHarbinger | Design OKs everything! |
| 23:43.44 | ZorbaBeta | Pretty much :) |
| 23:45.03 | seebs | I would hope they'd approve it; the lack of AH addons is one of the reasons markets in rift are so anemic |
| 23:45.23 | seebs | It's not cost-effective to list things in terms of minutes of my time vs. plat I earn. |
| 23:46.02 | ZorbaBeta | I'm vaguely curious how many people out there are stockpiling stuff in the hopes of an eventual AH addon |
| 23:46.03 | BunnyHarbinger | I'm sure an auctioneer-esque addon would be priority 1 to track trends |
| 23:46.26 | seebs | Stockpiling isn't really worth the effort, bag space is too expensive. |
| 23:46.32 | seebs | People are vendoring metal. |
| 23:46.34 | BunnyHarbinger | I'm on the fence about that though. It gives people who don't want to use addons a huge disadvantage |
| 23:46.45 | ZorbaBeta | the admin of AH has expressed interest in porting it over to Rift if the APIs exist |
| 23:47.01 | seebs | They may be at a disadvantage compared to the addon users, BUT! They are at an advantage compared to themselves in a game with no addon users. |
| 23:47.45 | BunnyHarbinger | I don't think they care. |
| 23:47.49 | seebs | Stable markets are good for everyone. Just look at the monstrosity that is the CoH market. |
| 23:47.57 | BunnyHarbinger | Never seen CoH |
| 23:48.20 | ZorbaBeta | didn't that game have a behemoth of an inflation problem? |
| 23:48.27 | seebs | Basically... Imagine a market where even casual effort at playing the market can easily earn you several times the money cap in a week. |
| 23:48.33 | seebs | Oh, hell yeah. |
| 23:48.42 | ZorbaBeta | I vaguely remember joining a friend's group and having one of them hand me like ten million currency |
| 23:48.47 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 23:48.56 | seebs | I have a standing offer that I'll send 20M currency to anyone who asks. |
| 23:49.35 | BunnyHarbinger | Wow, that's obscene |
| 23:49.43 | BunnyHarbinger | how did that much currency even get into the game |
| 23:49.45 | seebs | They also have a really neat thing, which is that you can place buy orders and wait for people to list things at that price or lower. |
| 23:49.51 | seebs | Well, part of it is exploits. |
| 23:50.14 | seebs | ncsoft won't let the devs touch the live machines, and has been known to say "you cannot fix this exploit, you must not do anything but work on the next release" for say, six weeks. |
| 23:50.25 | BunnyHarbinger | :( |
| 23:50.31 | seebs | Part of it is the complete lack of any money sinks worth noticing. |
| 23:50.52 | seebs | Basically, if you are at level cap, you have essentially no expenses and you generate money very quickly. |
| 23:50.59 | Torhal | ZorbaBeta: Does this belong to you? http://i.imgur.com/MXVoJ.jpg |
| 23:51.01 | BunnyHarbinger | An old game I developed on had the money sink issue. |
| 23:51.21 | seebs | The biggest money sink in the game right now is that the marketeers arrange in-game events to destroy money. |
| 23:51.28 | BunnyHarbinger | hah |
| 23:51.32 | seebs | You can use money to buy fancy stuff for your super group base. |
| 23:51.53 | seebs | So they'll do things like try to become the #1 supergroup by measured prestige on a given server ENTIRELY by spending in-game money. |
| 23:52.09 | seebs | Leading to outrage because they are "cheating". |
| 23:52.30 | BunnyHarbinger | seems like it may be past the point of fixing |
| 23:52.32 | seebs | At which point they provoke other people into competing with them. Removing even MORE billions of currency. |
| 23:52.52 | seebs | It'd take some doing, that's for sure. |
| 23:53.00 | seebs | That said. I like the basic model of their auction-like-thing. |
| 23:53.01 | BunnyHarbinger | erase all currency and start over |
| 23:53.10 | seebs | You list stuff, and you pick a price you are willing to accept. |
| 23:53.16 | ZorbaBeta | torhal, nope, that's nowhere near enough icons for my desktop |
| 23:53.20 | seebs | When you want to buy, you list the price you want to pay. |
| 23:53.36 | seebs | If there are any offers that are equal to or above any asking prices, the highest offer is matched to the lowest asking price. |
| 23:53.51 | seebs | This means that if you list something for 1 inf, and someone comes along and offers 1m inf, you get 1m. |
| 23:54.11 | Torhal | ZorbaBeta: Sheesh |
| 23:54.26 | ZorbaBeta | 2560x1600 and it's about 80% covered in icons |
| 23:54.35 | ZorbaBeta | I figure when it gets full, I'll buy a new computer |
| 23:54.40 | Torhal | Haha |
| 23:54.51 | BunnyHarbinger | interesting |
| 23:55.04 | Torhal | WTB Mac Rift client so I can write AddOns. |
| 23:55.11 | seebs | crossover games |
| 23:55.17 | ZorbaBeta | torhal, I hear it works under Wine. |
| 23:55.22 | ZorbaBeta | and Crossover and the like. |
| 23:55.38 | BunnyHarbinger | I wonder what performance is like under wine |
| 23:55.44 | Torhal | Hrm. I'll have to check into that. I'd heard Wine was iffy for most things on Mac. |
| 23:55.53 | seebs | If my moneys weren't all tied up in arguing with city hall over what a "height" is, I'd probably test itl. |
| 23:56.06 | seebs | Crossover Games is a supported wine variant, works pretty well I hear. |
| 23:56.14 | BunnyHarbinger | "height" is ambiguous? |
| 23:56.23 | seebs | And I think they support rift. |
| 23:56.25 | seebs | Yes, yes it is. |
| 23:56.52 | seebs | If a building has a flat roof, its height is the distance from the ground level to the highest point on the building. |
| 23:56.55 | seebs | ... yes, that's stupid. |
| 23:57.07 | seebs | If it has a mansard roof, the height is the distance to "deck level", NOT the distance to the highest point. |
| 23:57.17 | BunnyHarbinger | bwahaha |
| 23:57.25 | seebs | And if it has a hip, gambrel, or gable roof, the height is the average of the distances from the ground to the bottom and the top of the roof. |
| 23:57.34 | BunnyHarbinger | O.o |
| 23:57.37 | seebs | So what happened is. |
| 23:57.57 | seebs | I called City Hall to ask about this, and they told me that an accessory building was fine as long as it was not as tall as the main building. |
| 23:58.10 | seebs | My house is two stories + attic. I want to build a greenhouse about 12-13' tall. |
| 23:58.16 | seebs | So I ordered parts, hired contractor, and so on. |
| 23:58.22 | seebs | They then tell contractor the limit is ten feet. |
| 23:58.36 | seebs | And so far as I know, the people making this decision *have not actually read the code*, which was just revised about two months ago. |
| 23:58.49 | seebs | The greenhouse is a *dome*. Note that the code does not mention domes. |
| 23:59.01 | BunnyHarbinger | oh my |
| 23:59.04 | seebs | So we have no idea what the height of the greenhouse is. I am pretty sure it's actually about 8 feet for legal purposes. |
| 23:59.14 | Torhal | It probably doesn't mention giant nativity scenes either. |
| 23:59.17 | seebs | In the mean time, I have about $12k of greenhouse parts in giant crates in my driveway. |
| 23:59.28 | BunnyHarbinger | that's awesome. |
| 23:59.35 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, good luck :) |
| 23:59.59 | seebs | I just found out that a former coworker of both my mom and the guy we bought the house from is the head of the zoning appeals board. |
