| 00:08.48 | Snarty | Ok Marru, uploaded new version with the pet stuff :) |
| 00:37.53 | Marru_Home | lol thx snarty |
| 00:38.00 | Marru_Home | wasn't lookin at this channel >.< |
| 00:38.16 | Snarty | hehe |
| 00:38.37 | Snarty | np, have to wait for it to be approved etc I think |
| 00:38.42 | Marru_Home | yeah |
| 00:38.52 | Marru_Home | cairenn u arount? |
| 00:38.57 | Marru_Home | *around |
| 00:47.51 | Marru_Home | looks updated |
| 00:50.53 | Snarty | cool :) |
| 01:04.25 | Marru_Home | do i need to embed ur lib? |
| 01:04.57 | Cairenn | Marru_Home: I am |
| 01:05.25 | Marru_Home | kk, was gonna see if u could approve his lib so i could get started using it but its approved :) |
| 01:06.15 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 01:06.42 | Marru_Home | would i need to embed his lib to use his events? |
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| 01:13.53 | Cairenn | Hey Snarty? |
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| 01:19.31 | Snarty | hiya Cairenn |
| 01:20.19 | Snarty | don't need to embed it :) |
| 01:21.05 | Cairenn | I talked with gumaden, he had uploaded it to show Marru how to move around windows, it's been pulled. |
| 01:21.39 | Cairenn | He wasn't trying to take credit for your work, and apologizied. |
| 01:21.57 | Snarty | ahh, he could of kepted up, just had to mention where he got it lol |
| 01:22.05 | Snarty | kept* |
| 01:22.33 | Cairenn | I asked him to get in touch with you and work something out, he said just pull it. |
| 01:22.58 | Cairenn | Anyway, I just wanted you to know |
| 01:23.11 | Cairenn | As I said, we take author copyright very seriously |
| 01:23.14 | Snarty | oh well, guess I'll just upload the new one to a an exmaples section or something |
| 01:24.02 | Cairenn | Probably a good spot would be the Dev Utilities section |
| 01:24.50 | Snarty | that'll work :) |
| 01:27.10 | Cairenn | I'd say libraries, but that wouldn't be quite right |
| 01:27.47 | Snarty | yeah, 1 function hardly justifies library lol |
| 01:27.56 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:28.19 | Marru_Home | Cairenn, maybe you should add an "Examples" section? |
| 01:28.26 | Snarty | dunno why he removed the function stuff from it, it's pretty self-contained and links to a parent for sizing / points |
| 01:28.48 | Cairenn | That kind of falls under the 'dev utilities' heading |
| 01:28.49 | Cairenn | imo |
| 01:29.02 | Marru_Home | examples do? |
| 01:29.12 | Cairenn | If we get enough example snippets though, I may |
| 01:29.13 | Cairenn | Yeah |
| 01:29.18 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 01:32.56 | Cairenn | Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see enough example snippets uploaded to warrant it. :) |
| 01:33.38 | seebs | Back in WoW, I had a library that was basically a single function. All it did was add flexible and robust option parsing for slash commands, really. :) |
| 01:36.59 | Marru_Home | sarty, how does LibSRM.Group.Inspect(index) work? |
| 01:37.19 | Marru_Home | *snarty |
| 01:38.41 | Snarty | Specifier, UID = LibSRM.Group.Inspect(index) |
| 01:38.48 | Snarty | index being 1-20 |
| 01:39.04 | Snarty | only really there for completeness |
| 01:39.27 | Marru_Home | so if i enter a group and do a for loop from 1 to group count |
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| 01:40.05 | Snarty | can do it that way yeah |
| 01:40.07 | Marru_Home | i can start the for loop with unitSpecifier, unitID = LibSRM.Group.Inspect(i) and then use unitSpecifier and unitID to populate my group list? |
| 01:40.26 | Snarty | well, you'd need 1, 20 since it'd return nill for empty raid spots |
| 01:41.03 | Marru_Home | but the for loop is going 1 to the number of ppl in the group |
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| 01:41.16 | Marru_Home | so it shouldn't ever get to a case where it'd get to nil |
| 01:41.33 | Snarty | yeah, but if peeps are sperated around the raid for instance |
| 01:41.41 | Marru_Home | oh true |
| 01:41.49 | Marru_Home | makes sense |
| 01:42.14 | Marru_Home | so i'd also need to check if LibSRM.Group.Inspect(i) ~= nil first |
| 01:42.17 | Marru_Home | to avoid errors |
| 01:43.30 | Snarty | oh, wait, it always returns the specifier as a conversion of index |
| 01:43.44 | Marru_Home | wats that mean? |
| 01:43.54 | Snarty | so for you did (1) it'll return group01, nil |
| 01:44.10 | Marru_Home | oh |
| 01:44.26 | Snarty | if no one was in the spot, otherwise it returns group01, UnitID |
| 01:45.03 | Marru_Home | so i should do that then say if unitID ~= nil |
| 01:45.06 | starlon | What's LibSRM? |
| 01:45.29 | Snarty | Marru, yup :) |
| 01:45.35 | Marru_Home | cool |
| 01:46.33 | Snarty | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info62-SafesRaidManager.html |
| 01:47.20 | starlon | ah cool |
| 01:47.26 | Snarty | :) |
| 01:48.10 | starlon | hmm back to taking my nap lol |
| 01:48.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:04.03 | Marru_Home | snarty, with ur events, are the returned unit ids and specifiers individual variables or in a table? |
| 02:04.36 | hp94 | http://theoatmeal.com/img/quizzes/headers/5.jpg |
| 02:04.42 | hp94 | lol |
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| 02:11.18 | Marru_Home | how do you remove a index from a table? |
| 02:31.06 | hp94 | Whiteout |
| 03:19.53 | Snarty | night all, gl with the project Marru :) |
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| 04:30.02 | starlon | I need super powers so I can teach my users how to configure my poorly designed addons via my poorly designed config UIs using mind control. |
| 04:30.39 | starlon | Or just detail the steps better from the beginning and hope for the best. |
| 04:30.49 | starlon | wants super powers. |
| 04:33.43 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 05:39.02 | Marru_Home | am i doing something wrong? |
| 05:39.08 | Marru_Home | i added snartys lib |
| 05:39.13 | Marru_Home | its in my dependencies |
| 05:39.32 | Marru_Home | and im trying to table.insert (*his event here*, etc) |
| 05:39.35 | Marru_Home | and its erroring out |
| 05:43.24 | starlon | pastey your code |
| 05:43.29 | Marru_Home | my code? |
| 05:43.39 | Marru_Home | all of it? |
| 05:43.39 | starlon | http://pastebin.com |
| 05:43.53 | Marru_Home | no i know how |
| 05:44.06 | Marru_Home | just u want all of it? its over 600 lines |
| 05:44.10 | starlon | no |
| 05:44.16 | starlon | Where it's erroring |
| 05:44.33 | starlon | I thought it was erroring where you table.inserted |
| 05:44.55 | Marru_Home | http://pastebin.com/35Y60iYu |
| 05:45.14 | Marru_Home | those are the table.insert events i tried that are where the errors are |
| 05:45.35 | starlon | What's the error? |
| 05:46.11 | Marru_Home | Error: RiftCount/core.lua:620: attempt to call field 'Join' (a table value) |
| 05:46.22 | Marru_Home | it errors on the first in the list |
| 05:46.31 | Marru_Home | if i comment that table.insert out it errors on the next |
| 05:47.19 | starlon | There's likely other errors, and one's actually in your file. |
| 05:47.33 | starlon | oh |
| 05:47.34 | starlon | wait |
| 05:47.35 | Marru_Home | like what? |
| 05:47.36 | starlon | lol |
| 05:47.39 | starlon | core.lua is in your file |
| 05:47.55 | Marru_Home | core.lua is my file |
| 05:48.05 | starlon | table.insert (Event.SafesRaidManager.Player.Leave {playerLeft_Group, "RiftCount", "Player Left Group"}) |
| 05:48.12 | starlon | vs table.insert (Event.SafesRaidManager.Player.Leave, {playerLeft_Group, "RiftCount", "Player Left Group"}) |
| 05:48.20 | starlon | just need a comma |
| 05:48.43 | Marru_Home | right, so theres errors on the rest i see that now |
| 05:48.47 | Marru_Home | but join has the , |
| 05:48.49 | Marru_Home | and its erroring |
| 05:48.55 | starlon | dunno |
| 05:49.33 | Marru_Home | ok |
| 05:49.37 | Marru_Home | i put in the commas |
| 05:49.39 | Marru_Home | now |
| 05:50.00 | Marru_Home | error is line 622, thats the pet.add one |
| 05:50.21 | starlon | What's the error? |
| 05:50.46 | Marru_Home | attempt to index field 'Pet' (a nil value) |
| 05:50.50 | starlon | and there's two pet.add |
| 05:51.33 | starlon | Hard to tell without knowing the API. |
| 05:52.03 | starlon | table.insert (Event.SafesRaidManager.Group.Pet.Add {PetAdd, "RiftCount", "Group Pet Added"}) |
| 05:52.13 | starlon | It's saying that Group.Pet doesn't exist. It's nil |
| 05:52.23 | Marru_Home | yeah thats the one with the error |
| 05:53.08 | Marru_Home | huh... im looking in his code |
| 05:53.19 | Marru_Home | i see a bunch of player.stuff |
| 05:53.28 | Marru_Home | then i see some group.stuff |
| 05:53.39 | Marru_Home | then i see pet.stuff |
| 05:53.47 | Marru_Home | here i'll pastebin it |
| 05:54.15 | Marru_Home | http://pastebin.com/GmLLG3Qb |
| 05:54.20 | Marru_Home | thats the part of his code im lookin at |
| 05:54.39 | Marru_Home | it looks like maybe its Pet.Add and Pet.Remove not Group.Pet.Add etc |
| 05:55.04 | starlon | nods. |
| 05:55.08 | starlon | Yeah I think so too. |
| 05:55.14 | Marru_Home | k |
| 05:55.24 | starlon | It's definitely not Group.Pet :) |
| 05:55.32 | Marru_Home | lol kk |
| 05:55.42 | Marru_Home | well thats what he wrote on his addon download page |
| 05:55.47 | starlon | hehe |
| 05:55.57 | Marru_Home | awesome |
| 05:56.06 | Marru_Home | errors are now in my code it looks like lol |
| 05:57.01 | Marru_Home | woohoo |
| 05:57.06 | starlon | dislikes Windows very much. |
| 05:57.06 | Marru_Home | no errors on load lol |
| 05:57.09 | starlon | nice |
| 05:57.31 | Marru_Home | now to get someone to join my group to test it :) |
| 05:58.03 | starlon | I would but my computer's seriously crippled as my virus scanner scans. |
| 05:58.42 | Marru_Home | lol np |
| 05:58.54 | starlon | tis why I said I dislike WInblows. |
| 05:58.54 | Marru_Home | guildy's invited me and you'll never guess what happened... errors! |
| 05:59.01 | starlon | lol |
| 06:04.41 | Marru_Home | aha i can enter a group with no errors! |
| 06:04.50 | starlon | :) |
| 06:04.54 | starlon | that's a good sign :) |
| 06:05.01 | Marru_Home | yup |
| 06:05.05 | Marru_Home | now to make the footer move |
| 06:10.46 | starlon | What's the difference between Windows 7 Home, Pro, and Ultimate? |
| 06:10.56 | Marru_Home | couple features mainly |
| 06:11.09 | starlon | Is Ultimate worth the premium? |
| 06:11.21 | Marru_Home | nah |
| 06:11.25 | starlon | heh |
| 06:11.31 | starlon | I'll probably get Pro |
| 06:11.45 | Marru_Home | most common is home premium |
| 06:11.48 | Marru_Home | i think thats what i run |
| 06:11.52 | starlon | ah |
| 06:12.32 | starlon | Cause Vista is getting old with its bugs. |
| 06:12.44 | Marru_Home | yeah no kidding lol |
| 06:12.55 | Marru_Home | vista = shit |
| 06:12.59 | starlon | hehe |
| 06:13.14 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 06:13.20 | Marru_Home | heigh ~= height |
| 06:17.40 | Marru_Home | uhh |
| 06:17.42 | Marru_Home | thats not good |
| 06:18.02 | Marru_Home | someone left group |
| 06:18.13 | Marru_Home | and so it kicked into group leave function |
| 06:18.33 | Marru_Home | but apparently i can't call table.remove(group, unitID) |
| 06:18.48 | Marru_Home | cuz argument #2 has to be a number |
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| 06:21.23 | starlon | nods. |
| 06:21.30 | Marru_Home | ugh no way im finishing this tonight myself... |
| 06:21.31 | starlon | only works on indexed tables |
| 06:21.53 | Marru_Home | changed it to group[unitID] = nil |
| 06:21.57 | Marru_Home | should be good enough |
| 06:27.39 | Gibbous | does /n work for linebreaks? |
| 06:30.06 | Marru_Home | ahahahaha |
| 06:30.18 | Marru_Home | someone next to me in game in meridian just said "rchelp" in chat |
| 06:30.23 | Marru_Home | i think they meant /rchelp |
| 06:30.29 | Marru_Home | which is the help command for my addon |
| 06:30.42 | starlon | Gibbous: It does for print() |
| 06:30.48 | Gibbous | hm |
| 06:30.53 | Gibbous | I'm thinking for text frames |
| 06:31.14 | starlon | Not sure then. |
| 06:31.43 | Gibbous | also: we can't play sounds yet, can we? |
| 06:32.56 | starlon | I don't think so. |
| 06:33.33 | Gibbous | ok |
| 06:47.54 | starlon | Trion needs to do something about the invasion spam in Meridian. |
| 06:48.17 | starlon | I'm receiving double messages sometimes. |
| 06:48.24 | starlon | Shouldn't receive any at all. ;) |
| 06:49.04 | starlon | "Planar Capacitors!!!!!3~?????" |
| 06:52.53 | Marru_Home | agh |
| 06:52.59 | Marru_Home | snarty's lib is causin issues |
| 06:53.03 | Marru_Home | riftcount update is put on hold |
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| 07:01.23 | Snstr | good morning |
| 07:02.34 | starlon | hey |
| 07:09.21 | starlon | hmm combat pets don't like you standing too close |
| 07:09.28 | starlon | they'll move away from you |
| 07:09.53 | starlon | sometimes you need to spin around a bit, but they'll move eventually |
| 07:15.55 | Snstr | png supports transparency doesnt it |
| 07:17.22 | starlon | nods. |
| 07:17.25 | starlon | I think so yes. |
| 07:18.31 | Snstr | Im trying to create a half transparent texture |
| 07:19.52 | starlon | :) |
| 07:20.57 | starlon | I just saw someone get an 18 Month Veteran achievement. o.O |
| 07:21.07 | starlon | and a 12 month |
| 07:21.25 | starlon | Beta? |
| 07:26.27 | ZorbaBeta | make a subscription for six months, then, when it wears off, subscribe for twelve months |
| 07:26.31 | ZorbaBeta | bam, 18 month veteran |
| 07:27.27 | Snstr | :D |
| 07:29.44 | starlon | heh |
| 07:29.51 | Gibbous | I love how parenting makes my job so easy |
| 07:35.43 | Snstr | there is no error message if a texture file isnt loaded/found for some reason? |
| 07:37.26 | Snstr | (it works but I get no error if the texture isnt loaded) |
| 07:38.56 | ZorbaBeta | snstr, not yet. it'll probably be an error at some point. |
| 07:52.59 | Lyme | snstr png does support transparency, some renderers do not |
| 08:02.01 | Snstr | rift does tho :) |
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| 08:10.52 | Snstr | is anyone good at graphic stuff? I got a basic idea of how this works but its always getting too dark: I want to create a half transparent texture for some bar 15x1 should do? Anyways, my result is always too dark.. its not .. glossy at all |
| 08:11.15 | Snstr | should I use more white or more grey.. |
| 08:11.33 | Snstr | maybe need it more opaque gonna try that first |
| 08:12.32 | Snstr | ah ye that worked :P |
| 08:16.39 | starlon | paint it with pixels |
| 08:17.18 | starlon | is in low troll gear tonight. |
| 08:18.37 | starlon | Looks like I'm going to break down and buy Win 7. I'd rather wait to see if I get back into college so I can just get a free copy from the compsci dept. |
| 08:18.55 | Marru||AFK | lol thats how i got mine for my laptop |
| 08:20.34 | Gibbous | when you table.remove it clears the memory used for that table location, right? |
| 08:20.41 | Lyme | I'm surprised there isn't a trial for windows 7 |
| 08:22.21 | ZorbaBeta | I'm surprised Microsoft still makes it so tough to get ahold of windows. I keep expecting someone to invent an Internet-boot-protocol |
| 08:22.40 | Lyme | how is it hard to get windows? you can buy and download it online |
| 08:22.58 | ZorbaBeta | where you can turn a computer without an OS on, and it says "where do you want to download an OS", and you type "www.microsoft.com" or "www.ubuntu.com" and one credit card later (or not, in the case of Ubuntu) you have a working computer |
| 08:23.16 | ZorbaBeta | you still have to burn it to CD and all that nasty stuff |
| 08:23.20 | Lyme | oh well, no one lets you do that yet |
| 08:23.31 | Lyme | nah, you can put it on a usb drive now |
| 08:23.35 | ZorbaBeta | I have a lot of computers that simply don't have a CD drive :V |
| 08:23.41 | ZorbaBeta | ah, that's better, at least |
| 08:23.46 | ZorbaBeta | still, all my recent ubuntu installs have been via PXE |
| 08:24.11 | Lyme | That's how I installed win7 on a netbook, and more recently installed win8 dev preview |
| 08:24.11 | Marru||AFK | i installed by flash drive |
| 08:24.23 | ZorbaBeta | huh, alright, I guess things are getting better then |
| 08:24.26 | Marru||AFK | ubuntu that is |
| 08:24.44 | Lyme | usb drive, thumb drive, usb key, flash drive, all refer to the same thing |
| 08:24.54 | Marru||AFK | i know |
| 08:25.20 | Lyme | ms even has a tool for putting it on the thumb drives properly |
| 08:26.04 | Lyme | With the pending app store, I expect software cds / dvds to go kaput |
| 08:26.23 | ZorbaBeta | I'm already at the point where I rarely buy a CD or DVD |
| 08:26.38 | Lyme | I got rift as a download, and like steam for my pc purchases |
| 08:26.39 | ZorbaBeta | I tried to buy the latest Ratchet and Clank game |
| 08:26.41 | Marru||AFK | i never buy cd or dvds lol |
| 08:26.48 | ZorbaBeta | then I realized I couldn't just download it onto my PS3 |
| 08:26.49 | ZorbaBeta | so I didn't. |
| 08:26.55 | Marru||AFK | lol\ |
| 08:27.06 | Lyme | I rarely use my ps3, but have a ebgames by work that I go to. |
| 08:27.47 | ZorbaBeta | there are so many good games that *don't* require me to deal with spinning hunks of plastic that I'm not sure why I'd bother with them :P |
| 08:27.56 | Lyme | hehe, cool, got a bunch of [Click Play to Rename] characters on my account |
| 08:28.34 | Lyme | My original characters ended up on a trial shard, had to ask for them to be moved. |
| 08:30.04 | Lyme | and speaking of the ps3, while a wonderful and great system, Sony really did make it a lesson on how not to design a user interface. |
| 08:30.26 | ZorbaBeta | I dunno, I'd take the PS3 interface any day over the XBox interface |
| 08:30.59 | Lyme | Based upon looks or usability? |
| 08:31.12 | ZorbaBeta | usability. I can't stand the current xbox interface, for some reason I can never find anything |
| 08:32.10 | Lyme | So can you tell me why on the ps3 you log in all the way on the left, and all your friend stuff is all the way on the right? Or why you have to leave a game to log in? or why patches take bloody forever? |
| 08:32.42 | Marru||AFK | ps3 you can log in on the right? |
| 08:33.00 | starlon | Wait. When's Win 8 coming out? |
| 08:33.07 | ZorbaBeta | I have it set to automatically log me in :P patches are pretty bad, I'll admit |
| 08:33.15 | starlon | Would suck to buy Win 7 and 6 months later Win 8 comes out. |
| 08:33.29 | starlon | sucks at buying things. |
| 08:33.33 | Marru||AFK | imo it'll be at least a year |
| 08:33.37 | Marru||AFK | but no idea |
| 08:33.37 | Lyme | I expect fall 2012 for win8 |
| 08:33.41 | starlon | k |
| 08:33.42 | ZorbaBeta | "fall 2012" is the current estimate |
| 08:33.48 | starlon | cool |
| 08:33.52 | Marru||AFK | thats about a year then |
| 08:33.53 | starlon | thanks guys |
| 08:35.32 | Lyme | The ps3 interface is ok, my wife refuses to use it |
| 08:36.33 | Lyme | can't comment about home, as I never bothered |
| 08:41.25 | Lyme | now the wii, it has a simple interface |
| 08:41.58 | Lyme | rumour has it though, that the 360 is getting a revised interface in the fall update |
| 08:51.26 | Gibbous | does table.remove just not work if I'm using the table as a hash? |
| 08:52.52 | starlon | nope |
| 08:52.57 | starlon | only works on indexes |
| 08:53.03 | Gibbous | right but |
| 08:53.06 | Gibbous | if I'm deleting by index |
| 08:53.13 | Gibbous | shouldn't it not matter? |
| 08:53.28 | starlon | I'm not sure what you're asking. |
| 08:53.41 | starlon | If the table has 1-n, you can delete. |
| 08:53.42 | Gibbous | I'm dynamically setting the key in the code |
| 08:53.53 | Gibbous | and trying to table.remove stuff I don't need |
| 08:54.07 | Gibbous | but it just stays in the table |
| 08:54.16 | Lyme | are you sure you are deleting things by their correct index? |
| 08:57.05 | starlon | lua>tbl = {[1] = 1, [2] = 2, [3] = 3, ["test"] = 4}; table.remove(tbl, 2); print(#tbl) |
| 08:57.05 | lua_bot | starlon: 2 |
| 08:57.22 | starlon | lua>tbl = {[1] = 1, [2] = 2, [3] = 3, ["test"] = 4}; tbl[2] = nil print(#tbl) |
| 08:57.22 | lua_bot | starlon: 1 |
| 08:58.17 | starlon | ZorbaBeta: What's the best way to "wipe" a table? In WOW there was table.wipe I believe, or at least _G.wipe |
| 08:58.31 | starlon | just pairs? |
| 08:58.57 | Gibbous | yes |
| 08:58.59 | Gibbous | I'm certain |
| 08:59.10 | Marru||AFK | couldn't u just do table = {} |
| 08:59.11 | Marru||AFK | ? |
| 08:59.19 | Gibbous | I'm not looking to wipe the entire table |
| 08:59.21 | starlon | Not if you want to keep the table. |
| 08:59.25 | starlon | Recycle it |
| 08:59.27 | Gibbous | I'm looking to move frames from an active to a zombie list |
| 08:59.29 | Gibbous | and it's not working |
| 08:59.38 | starlon | I was asking for my own purposes. |
| 08:59.39 | Gibbous | it copies right, but it wont' remove |
| 08:59.39 | Marru||AFK | what does table = {} do? |
| 08:59.52 | starlon | Marru||AFK: That creates a brand new table. |
| 08:59.59 | Marru||AFK | oh |
| 09:00.05 | Marru||AFK | soooo, that'd be a memory issue? |
| 09:00.16 | starlon | yes, if you're managing memory |
| 09:00.26 | Marru||AFK | if i did it in a rift addon? |
| 09:00.35 | starlon | nods. |
| 09:00.51 | Marru||AFK | so i should go thru pairs and set to nil instead? |
| 09:01.30 | starlon | Well, if you go tbl[1] = nil; tbl[2] = nil, then the table becomes a hash |
| 09:01.51 | Marru||AFK | and if i did k,v pairs and said k = nil, v = nil |
| 09:02.03 | starlon | that won't do anything to the table |
| 09:02.17 | starlon | you're just assigning those variables, not the table |
| 09:02.28 | Gibbous | tbl[k] = nil |
| 09:02.33 | ZorbaBeta | in general, don't worry about table recycling. only worry about it if you're doing a *significant* amount of data processing every frame |
| 09:02.42 | ZorbaBeta | unless you're writing Questhelper or Auctioneer you just don't care |
| 09:02.46 | starlon | Well I am concerned about memory. |
| 09:03.08 | Gibbous | the only reason I've been doing so is because I'm dynamically allocating frames |
| 09:03.27 | Marru||AFK | i dont think im doing a significant amount of processing, just going thru my list of group members and editing their dmg |
| 09:03.33 | ZorbaBeta | seriously, the lua garbage collector is really good |
| 09:03.38 | ZorbaBeta | and luajit's is even better |
| 09:03.43 | *** join/#riftuidev Snarty (Snart@76-224-179-182.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:03.51 | Marru||AFK | so table = {} is enough? |
| 09:03.58 | ZorbaBeta | 99.9% of the time, yes. |
| 09:03.59 | starlon | I'd rather recycle. |
| 09:04.05 | ZorbaBeta | (and I'm being literal with that "99.9%" statement) |
| 09:04.07 | Snarty | morning :) |
| 09:04.09 | Marru||AFK | lol |
| 09:04.11 | Marru||AFK | snarty! |
| 09:04.14 | Marru||AFK | i need you |
| 09:04.15 | Marru||AFK | lol |
| 09:04.24 | Snarty | lol sup? |
| 09:04.31 | Marru||AFK | first off, group.pet.add isn't right, its just pet.add |
| 09:04.34 | Marru||AFK | and second |
| 09:04.39 | Marru||AFK | pet.add was returning nill |
| 09:04.42 | Marru||AFK | *nil |
| 09:04.57 | Snarty | doh |
| 09:05.04 | starlon | Heya, Snarty |
| 09:05.10 | Snarty | hiya :) |
| 09:05.14 | Marru||AFK | i emailed you the screenshot of the error |
| 09:05.47 | Marru_Home | something in function "Change" |
| 09:05.56 | Snarty | yeah my bad, it's Event.SafesRaidManager.Pet.Add, le-sigh |
| 09:06.16 | Marru_Home | yeah i figured that out |
| 09:06.30 | Marru_Home | but bigger issues is the error that i sent u an ss of |
| 09:06.36 | Snarty | k, I'll check the mail |
| 09:06.40 | Marru_Home | awesome |
| 09:06.56 | Marru_Home | but that and petID from pet.add |
| 09:08.01 | starlon | ZorbaBeta: 99% of the time the user will look at that 4mb-and-growing addon behavior poorly, blaming the programmer for causing bloat. |
| 09:09.06 | Marru_Home | starlon, how would i erase a table to recycle it then? |
| 09:09.19 | starlon | well, there's always pairs, but bleh |
| 09:09.24 | starlon | oh well |
| 09:09.37 | Marru_Home | pairs? |
| 09:09.41 | Snarty | hmm, need more of the error log above that Marru, doens't actually tell me the error, but I'll have a look at those lines anyhow and see whats up |
| 09:09.42 | Marru_Home | how would i do it with pairs? |
| 09:09.51 | starlon | for k, v in pairs(tbl) do tbl[k] = nil end |
| 09:09.53 | ZorbaBeta | starlon, but my point is that unless you have an incredible amount of table churn, you'll never get that much bloat, the GC will clean it up as it goes |
| 09:09.55 | Marru_Home | i told you in the emaial |
| 09:10.07 | Marru_Home | *email |
| 09:10.10 | ZorbaBeta | also note that there's no way to get a per-addon memory breakdown |
| 09:10.12 | Snarty | ahh thanks |
| 09:10.18 | starlon | My addon starts out with almost 4mb. If it's growing and the user can see that, then I get blamed. |
| 09:10.20 | Marru_Home | yeah |
| 09:11.11 | starlon | But it's not a huge deal I guess if the user can't see per-addon usage. |
| 09:11.20 | Marru_Home | snarty, might help you to know that it was an error when i did /reloadui while in a group |
| 09:12.29 | Snarty | rightio, looking at it now |
| 09:12.44 | Marru_Home | awesome |
| 09:12.45 | Marru_Home | ty |
| 09:14.55 | Marru_Home | just fyi snarty, when doing that i noticed that it was calling the group.add part when doing the reloadui |
| 09:15.03 | Marru_Home | so it was loading a player who already had a pet |
| 09:15.09 | Marru_Home | that may have to do with it? |
| 09:15.59 | Snarty | could do, I'll load up my wifes toon and mess about with leaving and joining with pets again, see if I can replicate it |
| 09:16.12 | Marru_Home | ok |
| 09:16.47 | starlon | ZorbaBeta: I guess coming from managed languages to Lua makes me a bit anal? :) |
| 09:17.08 | Marru_Home | what managed languages did you do? |
| 09:17.16 | starlon | C mainly |
| 09:17.19 | ZorbaBeta | starlon, possibly, yeah ;) |
| 09:17.22 | Marru_Home | hmm |
| 09:17.25 | Marru_Home | i learned a bit of C |
| 09:17.28 | ZorbaBeta | I switch between C++ and Lua frequently now, which is kind of brainbending |
| 09:17.35 | starlon | hehe |
| 09:17.37 | Marru_Home | i guess not enough tho |
| 09:17.51 | ZorbaBeta | but I'd already stopped worrying so much about performance when I started with Lua |
| 09:17.55 | ZorbaBeta | (competitive programming is good for that) |
| 09:18.08 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 09:18.33 | ZorbaBeta | Before: "Hmm, this really badly written algorithm takes 7.5 seconds to run. That's awful. I can do better than that." |
| 09:18.52 | ZorbaBeta | After: "Hmm, this really badly written algorithm takes 7.5 seconds to run . . . and the spec says it has to run in under 8 seconds! SHIP IT, IT'S DONE" |
| 09:18.53 | Marru_Home | i thought most of programming was about performance once you get into larger programs? |
| 09:18.58 | Snarty | ohh, I see a possible problem. It may be when a player leaves, it fires a pet.remove call, but doesn't reset self.PetID to nil, so it'll still think the pet is there when it fires individual pet.remove for the same pet. |
| 09:19.07 | Lyme | Marru_Home: not so much |
| 09:19.08 | ZorbaBeta | marru, nope, most programming is about making code do things |
| 09:19.12 | ZorbaBeta | performance is *very* rarely an issue |
| 09:19.22 | Marru_Home | thats a relief lol |
| 09:19.23 | ZorbaBeta | and I'm saying that as someone who used to work at Google. Even there, performance was often a nonfactor. |
| 09:19.33 | Marru_Home | im in data structures and algorithms right now... |
| 09:19.37 | Lyme | Large programs a very much an effort in ensuring that all the bits fit together |
| 09:19.52 | Marru_Home | im learning all about effiency |
| 09:19.56 | ZorbaBeta | Getting the complexity right can be useful, but, honestly, 99% of the time you do that with an array or a binary tree |
| 09:19.57 | Marru_Home | gah |
| 09:19.58 | Lyme | not a bad thing |
| 09:19.59 | Marru_Home | efficiency |
| 09:19.59 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 09:20.49 | starlon | BUt but but bit rot! |
| 09:21.28 | Lyme | Although there is something to be said for efficency, for example windows 8 has less hardware resource requirements than win 7, and is faster (booting) and doing stuff. |
| 09:21.32 | Marru_Home | so i dont need to worry too much about being able to compute minute details in how long lines will take to process and the theta values of efficiency? |
| 09:21.43 | Snarty | wait, my docs say the event is Event.SafesRaidManager.Pet.Add already :P |
| 09:21.56 | Marru_Home | your website doesn't |
| 09:21.57 | Marru_Home | i mean |
| 09:22.03 | Marru_Home | addon page on riftui |
| 09:22.06 | ZorbaBeta | marru, generally speaking, there's two skills you need to have |
| 09:22.09 | Lyme | it depends, if you are using your addon and it is noticeably slow, you'll want to revise. |
| 09:22.19 | ZorbaBeta | first, you need to understand complexity well enough to understand what's a really bad idea |
| 09:22.27 | Marru_Home | complexity? |
| 09:22.39 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, algorithmic complexity - big-O notation |
| 09:22.43 | ZorbaBeta | I think theta's related to that somehow |
| 09:22.46 | Marru_Home | yeah |
| 09:22.48 | ZorbaBeta | it's been a while since I took those classes |
| 09:22.53 | ZorbaBeta | second, you need to be able to figure out what's *actually* using most of your CPU, and be able to reduce that. |
| 09:22.57 | Marru_Home | big-O is theta lol |
| 09:23.15 | Marru_Home | as far as i know |
| 09:23.17 | ZorbaBeta | most of the time, as long as you avoid doing something blantly terrible, your code is fast enough. |
| 09:23.27 | Marru_Home | nice |
| 09:23.28 | ZorbaBeta | (like, don't use bogosort) |
| 09:23.29 | Marru_Home | soooo |
| 09:23.35 | Marru_Home | whats bogosort? |
| 09:23.45 | ZorbaBeta | google :D |
| 09:23.49 | Marru_Home | gah |
| 09:23.59 | Marru_Home | dont you know lmgtfy? |
| 09:24.17 | ZorbaBeta | yeah but it takes so long to use that I may as well just find the answer for you at that point |
| 09:24.24 | ZorbaBeta | (also look up "quantum bogosort", the best sort algorithm there is) |
| 09:24.26 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 09:26.53 | Marru_Home | ahahaha |
| 09:27.00 | Marru_Home | i wanna start using bogosort lol |
| 09:27.21 | Marru_Home | i'll use it in my data structures class lol |
| 09:27.49 | Lyme | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogosort |
| 09:27.54 | ZorbaBeta | if you haven't checked out quantum bogosort, check that one next ;) |
| 09:28.10 | Marru_Home | i just found a site with both lol |
| 09:33.40 | Snarty | potentially found the bug, incorrect var being passed :| |
| 09:33.49 | Marru_Home | ah, yes, that would do it |
| 09:33.50 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 09:34.20 | Snarty | aye xD |
| 09:36.40 | starlon | sheeps ZorbaBeta. |
| 09:39.59 | Snarty | ok, fixed the nil issue, but there seems to be problem when the addon starts with pets in a raid already. Working on a fix. |
| 09:40.08 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 09:40.26 | Marru_Home | glad you found bugs to fix :) that means it will work when your done :) lol |
| 09:40.36 | Snarty | hehe |
| 09:44.08 | Marru_Home | lol i found an incredibly nerdy joke |
| 09:44.19 | Marru_Home | Why do programmers always mix up Halloween and Christmas? |
| 09:44.37 | starlon | We do? |
| 09:44.46 | starlon | :) |
| 09:44.46 | Marru_Home | Because Dec. 25 is the same as Oct. 31. |
| 09:45.03 | starlon | lol |
| 09:45.29 | Marru_Home | apparently im not a big enough programmer yet cuz that took me a minute |
| 09:45.35 | starlon | I'm not going to do the math :P |
| 09:45.43 | starlon | It took me a sec |
| 09:45.45 | Marru_Home | lol me neither |
| 09:46.20 | Marru_Home | Eight bytes walk into a bar. The bartender asks if he can get them anything. |
| 09:46.20 | Marru_Home | "Yeah", reply the bytes, "make us a double." |
| 09:46.35 | starlon | heh |
| 09:47.22 | Marru_Home | theres another one, something about a parity error with a unsigned integers, and it looking off |
| 09:50.46 | Snarty | ok, the initial load isn't so much a bug. It does load the bets. But when you First Run, after and got the Player.Ready message you'd need to populate the raid. That'll pull the pets. |
| 09:51.17 | Marru_Home | wait what? |
| 09:51.29 | Snarty | bets = pets* |
| 09:51.36 | Marru_Home | i got that |
| 09:51.48 | Snarty | the addon fires a message when it's ready to be accessed |
| 09:51.58 | Marru_Home | the loaded thing? |
| 09:52.10 | Snarty | Event.SafesRaidManager.Player.Ready |
| 09:52.19 | Marru_Home | oh |
| 09:52.48 | Marru_Home | so... if im in a group, and i do /reloadui |
| 09:52.51 | Snarty | I wait until that message to start initializing my addons that use it, so everything is in sync |
| 09:52.51 | Marru_Home | what happens? |
| 09:53.31 | Snarty | it starts with everything @ nil, and repopulates the raid and loads the player info |
| 09:53.40 | Snarty | and pet info |
| 09:53.53 | Marru_Home | but how? if im not using ur lists? |
| 09:53.53 | Snarty | once all of that is done, it'll fire the ready event |
| 09:54.54 | Snarty | just its internal lists. |
| 09:55.14 | Marru_Home | is my addon still gonna error? |
| 09:55.47 | Snarty | you mean that nil error? that won't happen. |
| 09:55.55 | Marru_Home | ok |
| 09:56.01 | Snarty | that was a bug |
| 09:56.03 | Snarty | a biggy |
| 09:56.04 | Marru_Home | gotcha |
| 09:56.04 | Snarty | lol |
| 09:56.12 | Marru_Home | im confused about the other part then |
| 09:57.19 | Snarty | basically, the lib won't start firing messages until it's managed to load the players details. (when you first load/reloadui) |
| 09:57.32 | Marru_Home | oh ok |
| 09:57.47 | Marru_Home | so its just like a delay if you /reloadui if ur already in a group full of ppl and pets? |
| 09:58.02 | Marru_Home | but group.add and pet.add will start firing for each group member and pet? |
| 09:58.21 | Snarty | yeah, just makes sure everything is loaded so that the current internal player and pet tables are accurate |
| 09:58.40 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 09:59.21 | Snarty | it *will* still fire messages before then, if you don't wait for the .Ready message, but not sure if it'll miss any. |
| 10:00.15 | Marru_Home | how would i wait for the .ready? |
| 10:01.07 | Snarty | if not LibSRM.Player.Ready() then |
| 10:01.07 | Snarty | table.insert(Event.SafesRaidManager.Player.Ready, {HP_Stall, "SafesHotPocket", "Wait Ready"}) |
| 10:01.07 | Snarty | else |
| 10:01.07 | Snarty | HP_Stall(HP_Self.ID) |
| 10:01.07 | Snarty | end |
| 10:01.52 | Snarty | I do that, it it sits and waits for the event then runs a function which starts my addon and doing all the intializing |
| 10:02.30 | Snarty | if the event has already fired, the LibSRM.Player.Ready() command will return true |
| 10:02.43 | Marru_Home | where do you put that? |
| 10:03.46 | Snarty | as the first command to run in my addon. So, I don't link to any of the addons messages, check raid/pets until HP_Stall() is run |
| 10:04.14 | Marru_Home | so the very top of the whole addon? |
| 10:04.35 | Snarty | technically yes, although at the bottom is where it is in mine. lol |
| 10:04.41 | Marru_Home | whats HP_Stall? and HP_Self.ID |
| 10:04.59 | Snarty | my addons vars (not the lib) |
| 10:05.08 | Snarty | just an example of one of my addons using the lib |
| 10:06.18 | Snarty | when .Ready event fires, it returns PlayerUID, PlayerDetails |
| 10:07.23 | Marru_Home | so for mine it would be RiftCount? |
| 10:07.47 | Snarty | yhup |
| 10:08.07 | Marru_Home | soooo, at the top of my main lua file i need to add that if statement |
| 10:08.12 | Marru_Home | and in the else |
| 10:08.31 | Marru_Home | i do... what? |
| 10:08.53 | starlon | Snarty, how's your library's namespace setup? What's at global level? Library, like LibUnitChange, or other? |
| 10:09.44 | starlon | I need to ditch LibStub throughout LS, but not sure what will turn out to be norm |
| 10:10.03 | Snarty | all the global commands are LibSRM {} |
| 10:10.09 | starlon | k |
| 10:11.13 | Marru_Home | snarty, is ur lib ready to update yet? |
| 10:11.47 | Snarty | will be in sec, just messing about moving, joining, leaving, raids etc |
| 10:11.56 | Marru_Home | lol ok |
| 10:12.53 | Marru_Home | hmm, guess its not group.pet.add in ur addon page... unless you changed it |
| 10:13.50 | Snarty | hehe didn't change it, it's as it was |
| 10:14.23 | Marru_Home | damn... |
| 10:15.12 | Snarty | ok, can't seem to break it yet, I'm sure you'll have a good go when it's uploaded. lol |
| 10:15.20 | Marru_Home | so i totally just messed that up and was confused for a while |
| 10:15.32 | Marru_Home | lol i hate to say this snarty |
| 10:15.46 | Marru_Home | but all it took earlier was joining a random group, and typing /reloadui |
| 10:15.54 | Snarty | :| |
| 10:15.56 | Marru_Home | so as long as you've tested that |
| 10:15.59 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 10:16.04 | Marru_Home | then were makin progress :) |
| 10:16.28 | Snarty | I keep joining my wifes pub group both of us have pets out, re-summon pets etc |
| 10:16.39 | Marru_Home | and /reloadui |
| 10:16.42 | Marru_Home | while in group? |
| 10:16.45 | Snarty | yup |
| 10:16.55 | Marru_Home | nice |
| 10:16.57 | Marru_Home | ok |
| 10:17.01 | Marru_Home | so the only question i have |
| 10:17.06 | Marru_Home | is how to do that stall thing |
| 10:17.27 | Snarty | if I reloadui with pets out it doesn't send any messages about pets or players, I just populate the raid and pets after I get the .Ready event pop |
| 10:17.54 | Marru_Home | really? |
| 10:17.59 | Snarty | yeah |
| 10:18.01 | Marru_Home | i had group.add pop |
| 10:18.25 | Snarty | I mean the addon thats using my lib, maybe I should see what happens if you don't wait for .Ready |
| 10:18.45 | Snarty | might be why it dies on yours and not mine xD |
| 10:18.59 | Marru_Home | i put a print group count in my groupadd thing |
| 10:19.14 | Marru_Home | and it printed 0 up to 5 |
| 10:19.35 | Marru_Home | lil worried from when it popped 0... |
| 10:19.45 | Marru_Home | oh |
| 10:19.47 | Marru_Home | and 1 lol |
| 10:19.50 | starlon | I think LibStub is still a good idea in Rift, except without the minor version element. Just: LibStub:NewLIbrary("LibScriptable-1.0"); Then the addon author uses local LibScriptable = LibStub("LibScriptable-1.0"); |
| 10:20.00 | starlon | That way there's only one global, LibStub |
| 10:20.29 | Snarty | true star |
| 10:20.40 | Marru_Home | starlon, half the time when you say something... i swear i read it and im just 100% lost |
| 10:20.49 | starlon | sorry :) |
| 10:20.56 | starlon | LibStub's a library for WoW addons. |
| 10:21.08 | starlon | It keeps up with and manages library versions. |
| 10:21.14 | Marru_Home | ah |
| 10:21.21 | starlon | So that addons all don't have different versions of the same library. |
| 10:21.36 | Marru_Home | that way if i keep a library in my addon it doesn't overwrite someones more updated version? |
| 10:21.37 | ZorbaBeta | starlon, look up the "embed" feature in the .toc |
| 10:21.42 | starlon | Rift's UI introduces its own versioning system. |
| 10:21.59 | ZorbaBeta | ah, you're saying that even with that, libstub has value? |
| 10:22.11 | Snarty | Marru: what if I suppress any messages until .Ready is fired? would that help at all? |
| 10:22.31 | Marru_Home | so in my addon i wouldn't have to wait? |
| 10:22.31 | starlon | ZorbaBeta: *nod* I understand that, and the versioning setup. I'm just trying to figure out a new namespace setup for LS |
| 10:23.11 | ZorbaBeta | fair 'nuff |
| 10:23.35 | Snarty | Marru: yeah, you'd just get no player/unit/pet add/leave messages until it's ready. |
| 10:23.45 | Marru_Home | but what if i missed one? |
| 10:23.53 | starlon | I could also just make the "stub" system exclusive per library as well. It's not that huge of a problem to deal with really. |
| 10:24.07 | Marru_Home | i guess i could add a check in ready if players/pets were in group and not in group list |
| 10:24.51 | Gibbous | ZorbaBeta: is there any way to force a text field to give up focus? |
| 10:24.56 | starlon | You have Lib:Register for registering libs, and Lib:GetLibrary() for retrieving them. And then :IterateLibraries() |
| 10:24.59 | Snarty | yeah, that's what I added the .Ready message to avoid that. So, I knew soon as I got .Ready is was safe to populate the raid/pets etc. And start assigning the events |
| 10:25.38 | Marru_Home | start assigning the events as in you put the table.insert (event, blah) code inside your ready funtion? |
| 10:25.47 | Snarty | yeah |
| 10:26.08 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 10:26.14 | Marru_Home | ill change those |
| 10:26.15 | Snarty | I basically do nothing until the addon has completed it's initialization, then I run my addon as normal after .Ready |
| 10:26.45 | ZorbaBeta | gibbous, :SetKeyFocus(false) |
| 10:26.56 | ZorbaBeta | I think. that should worik. |
| 10:26.58 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 10:27.00 | Gibbous | thank you |
| 10:27.10 | Gibbous | I'll give it a shot |
| 10:28.30 | Gibbous | yeah that did it |
| 10:28.34 | Snarty | Marru: my other option is for the lib to supress all messages until the addon is done, then send out all missed unit/pet adds *shrug |
| 10:28.44 | Marru_Home | either way |
| 10:29.19 | Marru_Home | just decide one and update it, then in the morning i will edit my code accordingly :) |
| 10:29.43 | Marru_Home | cuz coding at 4:30 isn't a great idea lol |
| 10:29.43 | Snarty | and always have the LibSRM commands return nil until .Ready has fired. |
| 10:29.47 | Snarty | lol |
| 10:30.18 | starlon | That's the best time to code in fact. |
| 10:30.24 | Marru_Home | just lemme know which is easier for you |
| 10:30.27 | starlon | grins evilly. |
| 10:31.08 | Marru_Home | back to ur "low troll gear" starlon? lol |
| 10:31.20 | Gibbous | hm |
| 10:31.22 | Snarty | well, the current method is *best* imho, but then I that would mean I'd need to rely on people adding .Ready waits all the time. Which is never gonna happen xD |
| 10:31.30 | Gibbous | now I just need to figure out how to make it lose focus on Enter |
| 10:31.33 | Gibbous | key enter, I mean |
| 10:31.48 | starlon | Marru_Home: hehe yep |
| 10:33.10 | Marru_Home | so watcha gonna do snarty? |
| 10:34.33 | Snarty | leave it as is for now, and just push it out with the major fix, then I can change the initialization stuff silently without effecting existing addons using it. |
| 10:34.57 | Marru_Home | sooo |
| 10:35.29 | Marru_Home | how do i use it correctly? |
| 10:36.14 | Snarty | wait for the .Ready message then start your addons initialization |
| 10:36.32 | Snarty | so, like whats the first thing run? |
| 10:36.47 | Marru_Home | still not sure how to do that |
| 10:36.56 | Marru_Home | variables get set up |
| 10:37.28 | Marru_Home | then its just like a list of functions based on events? |
| 10:37.40 | Snarty | whatever the first actual function call, put that function call inside the .Ready function instead |
| 10:38.03 | *** join/#riftuidev Stile (~Stile@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi) |
| 10:38.28 | Snarty | and put all the linking table.inserts for my events in that wait function with it |
| 10:38.32 | Marru_Home | should i just put all table.inserts except for player.ready inside the .ready function? |
| 10:38.44 | Snarty | basically what I do :) |
| 10:38.48 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 10:39.01 | Snarty | just helps with sync issues |
| 10:39.14 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 10:39.20 | Marru_Home | sooo |
| 10:39.24 | Marru_Home | my .ready function |
| 10:39.30 | Marru_Home | will look for all players and pets in group |
| 10:39.35 | Marru_Home | add em to the tables |
| 10:39.43 | Marru_Home | then insert event triggers for everything else |
| 10:39.56 | Snarty | yup, pretty much it. |
| 10:40.08 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 10:40.17 | Marru_Home | will do |
| 10:40.17 | Snarty | I'll probably work on that though, have an *easier* way for third party devs to sync with the lib |
| 10:40.36 | Marru_Home | id say honest best easiest option |
| 10:40.54 | Marru_Home | would be delay pet.add and group.add etc until player.ready fires from ur end |
| 10:41.05 | Marru_Home | then any missed ones get fired after that |
| 10:41.23 | Snarty | yeah I was thinking about queuing all those and fire them after .ready |
| 10:41.33 | Marru_Home | would be easiest for authors like me |
| 10:42.19 | Snarty | originally I was just avoiding the extra "if" checks for what is basically a first run... unless |
| 10:42.48 | Snarty | I just wait to do my initializing after the .ready has passed.. hmm. |
| 10:43.03 | Snarty | let me try that quickly xD |
| 10:43.27 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 10:44.16 | Snarty | lol, it added everything :| |
| 10:44.35 | Snarty | only had to move 1 command |
| 10:44.54 | Snarty | in the initialization order |
| 10:45.02 | Marru_Home | soooo wats that mean? lol |
| 10:45.29 | Marru_Home | the delay option? |
| 10:45.39 | Snarty | means it won't break even without the .ready but obviously you *may miss some events depending on sods law and lag whatever |
| 10:45.55 | Snarty | but highly doubt it |
| 10:46.43 | Marru_Home | ok, well ill add the checks just in case |
| 10:46.47 | starlon | This is all that's to LibStub-Rift :) https://gist.github.com/1257338 |
| 10:47.23 | starlon | I sent Myrroddin a PM to see what he thinks, since he owns LibStub on rift.curseforge.com |
| 10:47.25 | Snarty | ok, I'm happy with this, I'll upload the fix and new intialization method |
| 10:47.37 | Marru_Home | kk |
| 10:49.38 | Marru_Home | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.59 | Marru_Home | i will download it and fix mine accordingly in the morning and let you know if anything else gets funky lol |
| 10:53.37 | Snarty | k :) |
| 10:53.55 | Snarty | it should be cleared by then :) |
| 10:59.41 | starlon | dps meter called Maddeeps |
| 10:59.45 | starlon | genius |
| 11:01.32 | Marru_Home | wait, is there one? |
| 11:01.34 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 11:01.39 | starlon | yep :) |
| 11:01.43 | starlon | on curseforge |
| 11:02.30 | Marru_Home | oh, still in development? |
| 11:02.58 | starlon | last updated 17 hours ago |
| 11:03.18 | Marru_Home | i dont see it on curse? |
| 11:03.22 | starlon | It's "experimental" and has no files. :) |
| 11:03.27 | Marru_Home | ah |
| 11:03.28 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 11:03.41 | starlon | Has this for description: Rift combat Dps Meter, simple, easy and accurate. |
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| 11:03.52 | Marru_Home | nice |
| 11:04.02 | Marru_Home | thought you meant genius by the way it was written |
| 11:04.09 | Marru_Home | was gonna check out how he does adding to group :) |
| 11:04.16 | starlon | Oh no. I was referring to the name. :) |
| 11:04.22 | Marru_Home | gotcha |
| 11:04.33 | Neglected | g'afternoon |
| 11:04.38 | starlon | Neglected: Hiya |
| 11:04.46 | Marru_Home | afternoon? its 5am |
| 11:04.47 | starlon | Although it's morning. |
| 11:04.53 | Neglected | Here, it's 12.04 |
| 11:04.54 | Neglected | ;) |
| 11:05.03 | Marru_Home | interesting |
| 11:05.07 | Marru_Home | for me, its night |
| 11:05.20 | Neglected | Timezones are a bitch |
| 11:05.21 | Marru_Home | should really get to sleep soon |
| 11:06.28 | starlon | If we didn't have that pesky Sun dictating to us what time it is, then we could have an online ticker we'd reference instead. One time to rule them all. |
| 11:06.47 | Marru_Home | i know |
| 11:06.48 | Marru_Home | lol |
| 11:07.50 | Neglected | starlon for president |
| 11:08.08 | starlon | prepares for his dictatorship. |
| 11:08.27 | Neglected | I feel slightly giddy, lawl |
| 11:08.32 | starlon | :) |
| 11:08.40 | Neglected | someone favourited my addon. *girly scream* |
| 11:08.47 | starlon | Which addon's that? |
| 11:08.50 | Neglected | FooBar |
| 11:09.01 | starlon | Link? |
| 11:09.06 | Neglected | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info64-FooBar.html |
| 11:09.14 | Neglected | Very basic stuff lawl |
| 11:09.54 | starlon | Oh, someone's working on a port of LIbDataBroker, which may fit with your bar addon nicely. |
| 11:10.09 | Neglected | I saw, :P I'll be more than welcome to incorporate it |
| 11:10.17 | starlon | coolio |
| 11:10.17 | Marru_Home | wats libdatabroker do? |
| 11:10.18 | Neglected | or to support that, I loved LDB in THE OTHERG AME |
| 11:10.27 | starlon | nods. |
| 11:10.30 | Neglected | it allows AddOns to show data in different output forms iirc? |
| 11:10.31 | ZorbaBeta | I must say, it's good to see the infrastructure coming together. |
| 11:10.49 | Neglected | I never really paid attention to what AddOns libs did in WoW, tbh |
| 11:10.49 | Marru_Home | cool |
| 11:11.00 | Marru_Home | aight well im goin to sleep |
| 11:11.02 | starlon | Marru_Home: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libdatabroker-1-1/ |
| 11:11.03 | Marru_Home | night guys |
| 11:11.06 | starlon | Night Marru_Home |
| 11:11.09 | Neglected | Night Marru |
| 11:11.33 | Neglected | I should probably document my code a bit on the addon page |
| 11:11.34 | Neglected | T_T |
| 11:11.51 | Neglected | FooBarModule:new(parent, id) for ex. |
| 11:12.41 | Snarty | night Marru |
| 11:14.28 | Neglected | Zorba: Aye 'tis ineded |
| 11:14.33 | Neglected | ..indeed* derp keyboard |
| 11:16.42 | Neglected | Meh, I wish we could create TRUE custom callbacks. I know it's possible to create pseudo-ones but they're like Vietnam |
| 11:16.46 | Neglected | IT'S NOT THE SAME MAN, IT'S NOT THE SAME |
| 11:19.54 | Neglected | ..never mind, I'm a derp and just found out about Utility.Event.Create, ignore the past 2 lines of hyperness |
| 11:20.48 | starlon | Created a FooBar module for StarTip. :) It opens the config dialog when you click on it. How awesome is that? hehe |
| 11:20.56 | Neglected | Win :) |
| 11:21.11 | Neglected | Sorry the display for it is rather lackluster, I haven't looked into textures yet |
| 11:21.18 | Neglected | which reminds me, I didn't make wrapper methods for texturing for FooBar |
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| 11:41.43 | starlon | Man my addon's about to be nudged out of its "What's Hot?" spot on riftui.com. :( |
| 11:42.30 | starlon | Maybe I should update it more often. heh |
| 11:54.20 | Neglected | Hurrr |
| 11:54.21 | Neglected | Mhm |
| 11:55.01 | Neglected | how do textures work in rift might I ask? |
| 11:55.10 | Neglected | are they like WoW, where they would tile, or..? |
| 11:56.17 | starlon | I'm not sure myself. |
| 12:12.00 | starlon | lol the player's buff details are available when the file is loaded, but you have to wait for Event.Unit.Available fires before you know the player's name. |
| 12:12.27 | starlon | made me chuckle a bit :) |
| 12:58.18 | Neglected | That's a niec fail Star :l |
| 13:04.26 | starlon | heh |
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| 16:34.10 | Neglected | ff slow internet. ANyways. Hai. |
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| 16:50.35 | Sympathy | BT, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
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| 18:11.25 | mintois | Hello |
| 18:12.09 | mintois | Anyone alive in this place? |
| 18:13.23 | Gibbous | yes |
| 18:13.27 | mintois | :O |
| 18:13.32 | mintois | Hay |
| 18:13.34 | mintois | Im minto |
| 18:13.39 | Gibbous | yo |
| 18:13.40 | Gibbous | sup? |
| 18:13.43 | mintois | Not much |
| 18:14.31 | mintois | i was wondering if anyone here would be willing to pop in meh vent and help me get started |
| 18:14.52 | mintois | I know nothing so i realy just wanna learn the basics |
| 18:15.04 | Gibbous | try by checking out the example addons |
| 18:15.34 | mintois | Ok. Do you have any suggestion for an editor? im running on ubuntu |
| 18:15.39 | Gibbous | I just woke up, I'm iin no state of mind to teach right now, lol |
| 18:15.42 | Gibbous | I use Notepad++ |
| 18:15.56 | mintois | Lol your more than welcome to come in and hang out |
| 18:16.02 | mintois | what shard do you play on? |
| 18:16.06 | Gibbous | Briarcliff |
| 18:16.12 | mintois | Guardian? |
| 18:16.17 | Gibbous | Defiant |
| 18:16.20 | mintois | :( |
| 18:16.38 | mintois | Im guardian xD |
| 18:16.41 | mintois | on deepstrike |
| 18:16.51 | mintois | isnt briarcliff dead for the most part? |
| 18:16.54 | Gibbous | nope |
| 18:16.58 | Gibbous | 5th most populated server |
| 18:17.03 | mintois | Oh wow |
| 18:17.07 | Gibbous | I wanted to get on deepstrike but it's closed to transfers |
| 18:17.10 | mintois | wheres deepstrike on that list? |
| 18:17.14 | Gibbous | I was on silkweb, but PvE servers don't suit me |
| 18:17.18 | Gibbous | I think deepstrike is 2nd or 3rd |
| 18:17.52 | Gibbous | yeah |
| 18:17.54 | Gibbous | wolfsbane is top |
| 18:17.58 | Gibbous | deepstrike is second |
| 18:18.05 | Gibbous | dayblind is third |
| 18:18.09 | mintois | Ahh ok |
| 18:18.23 | Gibbous | briarcliff actually is now...8th counting the two british servers above it |
| 18:18.41 | Gibbous | it's active enough though |
| 18:18.49 | mintois | Yeah |
| 18:19.04 | mintois | Im with a small group of friends on deepstrike |
| 18:19.07 | mintois | im happy :D |
| 18:19.21 | Gibbous | I've got 2 friends in a guild, but I want to do engame, so I need to get people |
| 18:19.29 | Gibbous | so hard to start a guild though >_< |
| 18:19.41 | mintois | so what kind of program should i look for to edit? |
| 18:19.44 | mintois | Dood |
| 18:19.49 | mintois | Well |
| 18:19.50 | mintois | nvm |
| 18:19.56 | mintois | I was gonna say id roll a defiant |
| 18:19.59 | mintois | but idk |
| 18:20.00 | mintois | xD |
| 18:20.07 | mintois | i will if you teach me! |
| 18:20.08 | mintois | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.38 | mintois | totally serious btw |
| 18:21.57 | mintois | ive been looking for a reason to make aa defiant |
| 18:24.01 | Gibbous | Notepad++ |
| 18:24.33 | mintois | Does it have a Linux version? |
| 18:25.06 | Gibbous | bah |
| 18:25.57 | Gibbous | could you use Gedit? |
| 18:26.01 | Gibbous | http://projects.gnome.org/gedit/ |
| 18:26.07 | mintois | woot thanks man |
| 18:51.22 | Neglected | Is the bloke lookin for helping to get started still 'ere? |
| 18:51.30 | Gibbous | no |
| 18:51.34 | Neglected | :c |
| 18:54.05 | Gibbous | I''d have helped, but I was up until 6am working on something, and -just- woke up, lmao |
| 18:54.15 | Neglected | Aha nasty |
| 18:54.24 | Gibbous | it'll be released soon though C: |
| 18:54.33 | Neglected | c: |
| 18:55.39 | Neglected | And what's the most active server? |
| 18:55.44 | Neglected | cus I'm looking for a place to roll. |
| 18:55.51 | Neglected | pref. PvP servrawr :3 |
| 18:56.03 | Gibbous | I'm in Briarcliff |
| 18:56.06 | Gibbous | we need guildies too :o |
| 18:56.13 | Neglected | Lemme take a gander.. |
| 18:56.27 | Gibbous | defiant, anyway |
| 18:56.45 | Neglected | would be a good time to mention I'm british |
| 18:56.45 | Neglected | :c |
| 18:57.02 | Gibbous | <-- EST |
| 18:57.26 | Neglected | I hate to be ignorant but... the feck? |
| 18:57.27 | Neglected | :3 |
| 18:57.35 | Gibbous | Eastern Standard Time |
| 18:57.39 | Gibbous | New England over here |
| 18:57.54 | Neglected | Ahhh |
| 19:03.28 | Neglected | Hmm. |
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| 19:38.13 | Jor_Rift | wow. thanks for approving SimpleMeter 2.0 so quickly |
| 19:38.57 | Jor_Rift | if anyone's interested, there's a new version up. Does cumulative DPS and keeps a history of encounters. |
| 19:42.16 | Gibbous | uploaded :o |
| 19:42.37 | Jor_Rift | ? |
| 19:42.49 | Gibbous | the addon I was working on |
| 19:42.51 | Gibbous | GibsUI Aura Watch |
| 19:43.02 | Jor_Rift | cool. what's it do? |
| 19:43.23 | Gibbous | tells you when a buff or debuff has fallen off of either yourself or your target |
| 19:43.26 | Gibbous | easy to configure |
| 19:43.52 | Jor_Rift | configuration is always a pain for me. |
| 19:43.57 | Jor_Rift | how are you handling it? |
| 19:44.01 | Gibbous | GUI |
| 19:44.05 | Gibbous | :) |
| 19:44.17 | Jor_Rift | lots of frames? |
| 19:44.26 | Gibbous | yeah |
| 19:44.32 | Gibbous | unfortunately |
| 19:44.45 | Jor_Rift | not sure I have the patience for that. :) |
| 19:44.48 | Gibbous | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info66-GibsUIAuraWatch.html |
| 19:45.43 | Jor_Rift | very nice. |
| 19:45.58 | Jor_Rift | our interfaces look similar. |
| 19:46.10 | Gibbous | everyone's interfaces look like that :p |
| 19:46.24 | Jor_Rift | except for the RiftWindow guys |
| 19:46.33 | Gibbous | I intend to do custom textures |
| 19:46.38 | Gibbous | once I figure out how I want things to look |
| 19:47.00 | Jor_Rift | you should do an option for FocusTarget |
| 19:47.33 | Gibbous | I'll put that on the list of planned features |
| 19:47.37 | Gibbous | I was going to do target.target as well |
| 19:47.57 | Jor_Rift | Does it count down when it will expire? |
| 19:48.30 | Gibbous | no |
| 19:48.40 | Gibbous | it's not a buff bar |
| 19:48.43 | Gibbous | it's just meant to tell you HEY |
| 19:48.45 | Gibbous | DOOFUS |
| 19:48.48 | Gibbous | YOUR BUFF FELL OFF |
| 19:49.24 | Gibbous | the GUI is mainly meant just to configure the addon |
| 19:50.39 | Jor_Rift | it looks nice. gj. |
| 19:50.46 | Gibbous | thanks |
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| 20:41.20 | Jor_Rift | any chance Zorba's here? |
| 21:01.08 | Neglected | I have a new found love for Riftstalker |
| 21:12.25 | Neglected | Jor, I don't suppose your addon is movable is it (this is me being too lazy to DL and check) |
| 21:16.46 | Neglected | never mind, I stopped bein lazy ;3 |
| 21:26.03 | Jor_Rift | it is |
| 21:32.07 | Neglected | very niec interface to it |
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| 21:37.26 | Jor_Rift | thanks. I based it off Levva's BossReady addon |
| 21:37.48 | Jor_Rift | which had a great interface. |
| 21:42.30 | Jor_Rift | heh I just had a thought. |
| 21:42.40 | Neglected | oh? |
| 21:42.53 | Jor_Rift | if Inspect.Shard().name == "deepstrike" then print("Donate plat to Jor!") end |
| 21:44.08 | Neglected | win |
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| 22:26.26 | Gibbous | I triied to update my addon |
| 22:26.29 | Gibbous | and now it's gone ._. |
| 22:38.59 | seebs | Someone posted an awesome idea. Add flying mounts... as a reward for doing ALL of the puzzles and cairns. The achievement could be called "Bet You Wish You Had This Earlier". |
| 22:43.18 | Neglected | *win* |
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| 22:44.31 | Neglected | sab/rs/sin is quite fun.. |
| 22:49.52 | ZorbaBeta | btw, in general, asking if I'm here is unlikely to get a response. Ask your question to the channel, I pay attention to this place a lot but don't often respond ;) |
| 23:05.43 | Jor_Rift | :) |
| 23:07.28 | Jor_Rift | Zorba, any chance of getting range and in LOS flags on unit detail? |
| 23:09.29 | ZorbaBeta | I think there's already a .range flag, but it's sort of a melange of LOS/range/facing |
| 23:09.34 | ZorbaBeta | but it's the same thing the raid frame shows |
| 23:09.45 | ZorbaBeta | any more detail will have to go through Design and probably isn't showing up for a bit :) |
| 23:11.42 | Jor_Rift | there is? |
| 23:11.54 | Jor_Rift | are you talking about Unit detail or Ability detail? |
| 23:13.05 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, I thought there was but maybe I took it out |
| 23:13.20 | Jor_Rift | it's not in the docs |
| 23:13.23 | ZorbaBeta | yep, looks like I took it out |
| 23:13.47 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, unfortunately the "member" parts of the docs are occasionally incomplete - I have to add things by hand - so it's not always totally reliable. Already found one parameter I missed |
| 23:14.08 | ZorbaBeta | anyway, I'll put that on my todo list, gotta think about what should be done with it. |
| 23:14.21 | Jor_Rift | Just to mess around I was thinking about creating a Soothing Stream addon |
| 23:14.36 | Jor_Rift | that would change mouseover depending on who's buffs are expiring |
| 23:14.51 | Jor_Rift | so all you have to do is create a @mouseover macro, hover over the box, and click away |
| 23:15.00 | Jor_Rift | more just to mess around than anything useful. :) |
| 23:15.02 | ZorbaBeta | you'll discover that you can't actually do that |
| 23:15.08 | ZorbaBeta | you can't change the mouseover target in combat :) |
| 23:15.14 | Jor_Rift | d'oh |
| 23:15.19 | Jor_Rift | well glad I didn't go through with it |
| 23:15.44 | ZorbaBeta | you *can*, however, make a Grid-like setup, then highlight boxes to inform the user what needs to be done. |
| 23:16.02 | Jor_Rift | that requires the user to do someting other than mass 1 button and drool though |
| 23:16.09 | ZorbaBeta | Exactly. :) |
| 23:16.28 | Jor_Rift | well, woulda been a useless but fun addon anyway. |
| 23:16.30 | Jor_Rift | although... |
| 23:16.46 | ZorbaBeta | (I'm off to grab food, back in a while, gf finally got home) |
| 23:16.49 | Jor_Rift | just to try to get around you... what if I created 20 panes, set the mouseover |
| 23:16.53 | Jor_Rift | and moved them around? |
| 23:16.56 | Jor_Rift | AHA |
| 23:17.02 | Snarty | don't get me started on mouseover :| |
| 23:17.36 | ZorbaBeta | you can't set mouseover on a frame that isn't set to the "restricted" secure mode, and you can't move "restricted" secure mode frames during combat :V |
| 23:17.44 | Jor_Rift | doh |
| 23:17.46 | ZorbaBeta | and just to stave off the inevitable: you can't SetVisible() them either |
| 23:18.02 | Snarty | yeah I'm have a "fun" time with my raid frames |
| 23:18.06 | ZorbaBeta | and if you find another workaround, we'll probably break it, since we explicitly don't want people to be able to do the thing you're trying to do ;) |
| 23:18.38 | Jor_Rift | call me a white hat |
| 23:18.41 | Snarty | except healbot in wow was awesome and should be able to do that :P |
| 23:20.21 | Snarty | I'd have everything by now, except for the non-dynamic stuff, like the Rift UI, although.. I can't remember if healbot actually closed gabs or remained static.. hmm |
| 23:20.35 | Snarty | gaps* |
| 23:25.46 | Jor_Rift | what does healbot do? |
| 23:26.09 | Snarty | like I said on the forums though, the allowing mouse-passthrough on empty specifiers should maybe be safe |
| 23:26.27 | Jor_Rift | hm okay click to cast |
| 23:26.30 | Jor_Rift | with modifiers? |
| 23:26.41 | Snarty | click healing, ie, pretty much what rift raid frames does but allows left and right mouse clicks to |
| 23:26.43 | Snarty | yeah |
| 23:27.42 | Snarty | I've got my version quite far, so as the API changes I'll just expand where I can :) |
| 23:28.59 | Jor_Rift | nice. |
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| 23:51.30 | hp94 | So I see there's multiple dps meters out already =S |
| 23:51.46 | Marru_Home | yeah |
| 23:51.52 | Snarty | nowt wrong with healthy competition |
| 23:52.48 | hp94 | Are addons even out yet? |
| 23:53.01 | Snarty | yup |
| 23:53.03 | hp94 | I don't have any interface folders |
| 23:53.05 | hp94 | really? |
| 23:53.18 | hp94 | wow, I must live under a rock... which I do, but normally there's internet there |
| 23:53.21 | Snarty | have been since 1.5 launch |
| 23:53.26 | hp94 | when was 1.5 launch |
| 23:53.38 | Marru_Home | wednesday |
| 23:55.09 | hp94 | But I was in game this morning and typing /script told me the lua environment isn't running |
| 23:57.24 | hp94 | Ah, I have an interface folder after clicking the 'open directory' button. |
| 23:57.30 | hp94 | Same as on PTS stuff |
