| 00:04.29 | Cairenn | Hoi boy, this aught to get fun. EWOLson has resurfaced. |
| 00:08.06 | Cairenn | http://forums.riftgame.com/alpha-addon-api-development/223337-rift-ui-add-policy-3.html#post3123482 |
| 00:08.16 | Cairenn | ZorbaTHut: can I go off on him, pretty please? |
| 00:08.58 | Cairenn | pretty pretty please, with a cherry on top? |
| 00:10.11 | ZorbaTHut | I can neither say yes nor no, since I'm not a community person. Use your best judgement :) |
| 00:10.41 | Cairenn | pouts |
| 00:27.51 | dolby | My best judgement says go off on him and since ZorbaTHut said to use my best judgement he says its ok? >:) |
| 00:28.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:28.37 | Cairenn | Oh, we all know I won't. But it's so damn tempting by times. |
| 00:28.56 | ZorbaTHut | one thing I've always found curious is the theory that print() is the best way to export data |
| 00:29.08 | ZorbaTHut | I can think of a *lot* of ways to export data in realtime besides that |
| 00:29.24 | Cairenn | nod |
| 00:29.53 | ZorbaTHut | this all feels to me like locking and barring the front door when the garage door is wide open with a neon sign on top that says "STEAL THINGS PLZ" |
| 00:30.02 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:30.29 | dolby | wishes their was a RiftCon |
| 00:30.52 | Cairenn | I would love that |
| 00:31.50 | dolby | then ZorbaTHut could have a UI Panel >:) |
| 00:31.58 | Cairenn | *weg* |
| 00:33.15 | ZorbaTHut | if we ever do, it'd probably be a general trioncon, with EON and Defiance as well :) |
| 00:34.07 | Cairenn | Well, that's the same as Blizz and SOE do |
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| 01:05.45 | Lyme | anyone know if roster & raid player list access has been added into the api yet? |
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| 01:29.38 | lXl | I logged into rift and ran out of memory... |
| 01:30.01 | lXl | Oh I know why possibly |
| 01:30.35 | hp94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.41 | lXl | Well, still not really. |
| 01:30.56 | lXl | I had 4 gigs allocated to VM, but task manager still reports that was only using 5gb total |
| 01:31.22 | lXl | Rift only uses about a gig or so anyway |
| 01:33.12 | hp94 | RIFT uses just under a gig on my machine, so thats about right. |
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| 01:35.47 | niftymonkey | howdy |
| 01:36.05 | Cairenn | hi |
| 01:36.43 | hp94 | sup |
| 01:37.24 | niftymonkey | I see that the wiki has a "lookup" method for units |
| 01:37.26 | niftymonkey | http://wiki.riftui.com/Inspectors |
| 01:37.41 | niftymonkey | but it's not filled in. Does anyone know if it actually is there and what params it has? |
| 01:44.11 | Lyme | ixi I don't think I've ever seen rift break 2gig memory usage |
| 01:46.27 | seebs | The addon API should help. :P |
| 01:46.44 | seebs | I think I had WoW addons up to about 1GB just for addons at one point. |
| 01:47.33 | Lyme | I'm curious how addons will effect performance, given that trion is so very cpu bound already. |
| 01:49.58 | lXl | WHOA |
| 01:50.03 | lXl | You get planar attunement points from rifting? |
| 01:50.33 | lXl | Or is it a skill you can learn to open them from AA |
| 01:50.36 | lXl | Or PA.. |
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| 02:36.54 | Orix_ | http://i.imgur.com/kKfPw.png |
| 02:45.28 | lXl | ? |
| 03:03.05 | Orix_ | wrong channel |
| 03:03.12 | Orix_ | but the goto |
| 03:03.14 | Orix_ | makes me want to die |
| 03:10.32 | lXl | Oh |
| 03:10.54 | lXl | I just read about that, they aren't good to use right? |
| 03:15.37 | Aurorus | I disagree. A return in the middle of code is just a goto in another name. They have their place, however limited and obscure :P |
| 03:16.01 | Aurorus | Goto's aren't bad however people using them inappropriately is bad. |
| 03:16.04 | seebs | I avoid gotos, but I will use them then they are the right tool for the job. |
| 03:16.12 | seebs | I think there might be like two in my code bases so far. |
| 03:16.27 | Aurorus | yeah, rare as a hens teeth for me as well |
| 03:19.30 | lXl | http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/34000/Hen-Teeth-34068.jpg |
| 03:19.33 | lXl | They don't seem rare to me |
| 03:19.48 | Aurorus | You're frightening |
| 03:19.55 | lXl | Wat |
| 03:20.39 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:20.46 | lXl | Chickens can grow teeth |
| 03:21.27 | lXl | http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/004-0223104642-chicken_with_teeth.jpg see? |
| 03:48.13 | Orix_ | Aurorus: re. goto: http://xkcd.com/292/ |
| 03:49.45 | Lyme | ixi don't knock those chickens, many people wish they could have a smile like that |
| 03:49.53 | lXl | I know I do |
| 03:50.39 | lXl | I know what MMO I want to se.. |
| 03:50.43 | lXl | DINOSAURCRAFT |
| 03:50.46 | Aurorus | lol Orix_ nice |
| 03:50.59 | lXl | "No idiot, raptors stack dex" |
| 03:51.25 | lXl | Why just go back to medievil times? Why not keep going back? |
| 03:55.14 | Torhal | Orix: Lua 5.2 is ADDING goto. |
| 03:55.27 | Torhal | Though that's mostly as a substitute for the lack of continue. |
| 03:58.10 | Lyme | I thought it was a mmo where you craft dinosaurs |
| 03:58.27 | Lyme | no no!! use the #2 construction paper! |
| 03:58.52 | Orix | im not worried about a goto in lua environment |
| 03:59.01 | Orix | its when you're dealing with RAII that it can get awkward |
| 04:00.23 | Lyme | it's when you see someone using a goto in C/C++ |
| 04:00.25 | lXl | The Lost World.. of Warcraft? |
| 04:02.19 | Torhal | Lyme: I'd say especially in C++. It's pretty damn funky in C, but not quite as OMFG DIE DIE DIE! |
| 04:09.39 | Orix | definitely not best practice, thats for sure :P |
| 04:12.00 | Lyme | it's in the language, therefore it must be used! |
| 04:15.36 | Orix | i challenge the people who use gotos in c++ to inline a little asm |
| 04:20.29 | Aurorus | asm with jmp instructions |
| 04:22.15 | Orix | maybe a little write in there |
| 04:29.14 | Lyme | it's been a while since I did C++, and even longer since I did asm |
| 04:30.48 | Orix | i think i've used asm like twice? in "real life" other than that, stupid asm stuff at school :P |
| 04:34.00 | Lyme | asm isn't stupid ;p |
| 04:34.52 | Orix | what i meant was stupid, was the architectures you have to do it on |
| 04:34.55 | Orix | nothing really practical |
| 04:36.57 | Lyme | pic ic's? |
| 04:38.07 | Orix | mhm |
| 04:39.02 | Orix | i don't mind doing it, its not overly painful |
| 04:39.07 | Orix | but definitely not the most exciting |
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| 05:13.16 | lXl | ASM? |
| 05:13.34 | Orix | assembler |
| 05:14.19 | lXl | When I think I know something about coding.. |
| 05:14.24 | lXl | I know nothing about coding. |
| 05:14.38 | Orix | indeed |
| 05:16.50 | Orix | doesn't get much more "intimate" than ASM |
| 05:17.38 | hp94 | If I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and Assembly, and I had a gun with two bullets, I'd shoot Assembly twice. |
| 05:19.17 | Orix | thats just dramatic :P |
| 05:25.45 | Sling | Orix: its not so painful on risc architectures |
| 05:26.02 | Sling | i did it on sparc for a class @ university, was interesting |
| 05:26.10 | Orix | i've heard of this |
| 05:26.12 | Orix | never experienced it |
| 05:26.29 | Orix | wait, is that ARC as well? |
| 05:26.54 | Sling | mhm? |
| 05:27.11 | Orix | wikipedias |
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| 05:49.11 | hp94 | You know what I've always wanted to do? |
| 05:49.18 | lXl | Eat a really really big hotdog? |
| 05:49.37 | lXl | http://www.worldrecordsacademy.org/food/img/martha-stewart-hot-dog.jpg |
| 05:49.56 | hp94 | I've wanted to make a completely high definition, high detail 3D scene of something that looks like it would be a $100,000 winner on AFV or something, then bring it down to 240px and see if they think it's real and then see if it wins. |
| 05:51.09 | Orix | why not just grab a 1080 camera and fall off a ladder? |
| 05:51.11 | Orix | would be way less work |
| 05:51.30 | hp94 | But it would defeat the point. |
| 05:51.35 | hp94 | Which is to beat the system. |
| 05:52.53 | hp94 | Just look at this example I made: www.ChrisEhli.com/trojan_examples/html_xss_malicious_buffer_overflows/Not_A_Virus.exe |
| 05:53.08 | Orix | its blue |
| 05:53.10 | Orix | so i clicked it |
| 05:53.33 | hp94 | *scuttles to VPN console* |
| 05:58.13 | hp94 | The City of Ember was a bad movie |
| 05:58.26 | lXl | Does Youtube like never default to the max detail when playback? |
| 05:58.44 | Sling | lXl: it should when you hit fullscreen |
| 05:58.46 | lXl | It throws me in 360p in every video |
| 05:59.50 | lXl | Ok only if it has 1080p, 720p wasnt getting switched. |
| 06:00.24 | Sling | there is a setting under 'Playback setup' |
| 06:00.35 | lXl | Yeah, it wasn't doing it for 720p |
| 06:00.39 | Sling | hm weird |
| 06:00.57 | Sling | works here for 720p |
| 06:01.10 | lXl | But still, 360p looks really shitty even in the small player. |
| 06:01.24 | Orix | if you had a dollar for every pixel you'd have a dollar, sort've quality? |
| 06:01.34 | lXl | Haha |
| 06:02.59 | lXl | I mean, I don't see why I can't default it to 720p to begin with. |
| 06:04.06 | Sling | that will probably cost em more bandwidth then it brings happy users :p |
| 06:04.12 | lXl | I know :( |
| 06:05.05 | Orix | gg data plan on my phone :P |
| 06:05.18 | lXl | I just get throttled after 5gb |
| 06:05.37 | Orix | you have a 5 gig dataplan on your phone? |
| 06:05.41 | lXl | Apparently |
| 06:05.53 | Orix | what the duece do you do on it? |
| 06:06.00 | lXl | That's just what it comes with. |
| 06:06.16 | Orix | 5000 mb? |
| 06:06.33 | Orix | thats a beastly data plan |
| 06:06.46 | lXl | 5120MB if you use HD logic |
| 06:07.02 | Orix | what provider are you with? |
| 06:07.05 | lXl | I really don't use that phone at all. |
| 06:08.40 | lXl | It's "unlimited text+web" but it's suppose to soft cap at 5gb |
| 06:08.46 | Orix | ah |
| 06:08.48 | Orix | okay |
| 06:14.03 | lXl | Hmm, I could downgrade my soft cap for better rates. |
| 06:17.27 | lXl | Actually, looks like they have a plan for 100mb of 4g minutes a month, rest is "unlimited", for 25$ less than what I'm paying now. Unlimited talk/text. |
| 06:17.41 | lXl | Ima rage over this. |
| 06:18.55 | Orix | :P |
| 06:18.59 | Orix | aint that a bitch |
| 06:19.13 | lXl | Oh well, it's business. |
| 06:19.44 | lXl | There's no reason to be proactive in switching customers over to newer plans if they're still making money either way. |
| 06:20.06 | lXl | I didn't expect unlimited data plans without contract to be 50/mo |
| 06:24.48 | lXl | Problem with tmo is it never gets the good phones :( |
| 06:27.27 | Orix | i think my phone is like 60 a month |
| 06:27.31 | Orix | and i get 500 megs of data |
| 06:27.34 | Orix | unlimited text |
| 06:27.44 | Orix | unlimited weekends and evenining |
| 06:27.48 | Orix | evenings* |
| 06:28.17 | Orix | and like 300 minutes for the week |
| 06:28.20 | Orix | works pretty well |
| 06:28.35 | Orix | i typically burn out of minutes 2 days before the end of the billing cycle, and like data is a 1day |
| 06:28.45 | lXl | :\ |
| 06:28.48 | lXl | Who are you with ? |
| 06:28.52 | Orix | Rogers |
| 06:28.57 | lXl | IDK that |
| 06:29.09 | lXl | Oh, Canada? |
| 06:29.12 | Orix | indeed |
| 06:29.15 | lXl | That's why. |
| 06:29.52 | lXl | My work phone is like, I guess 500mins?, no text, 2g data, or something |
| 06:30.22 | lXl | I only mostly use it to sync mail and use web/audio stream on it. |
| 06:30.35 | Orix | 99% of my data plan goes to youtube or googling :P |
| 06:32.50 | lXl | I'm such a nerd, I'm always spying on work. |
| 07:10.58 | lXl | Wow, reading a lot of C++ tutorial I'm understanding a lot more about how stuff like oUF worked. |
| 07:11.58 | lXl | It almost helps that I learned Lua mostly through coding with oUF and having to disect the modules sometimes. |
| 07:12.18 | Orix | oUF? |
| 07:12.27 | lXl | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9994-oUF.html |
| 07:12.31 | lXl | Loved this addon |
| 07:12.55 | Orix | ah, i was never a huge fan of addons in wow |
| 07:12.57 | lXl | I hope Rift has something similar. |
| 07:13.02 | Orix | only ever used Grid, DBM and Atlas |
| 07:13.15 | Orix | maybe some cooldown timers |
| 07:13.32 | lXl | IN fact, might not be a bad idea to start off with a unit frame framework then work more automatic setups into it. |
| 07:15.12 | Orix | building wrappers can be a good way to figure out the basics |
| 07:16.46 | lXl | http://imgur.com/QsXPu |
| 07:16.59 | lXl | Was my UI, basically had Grid functionality |
| 07:17.17 | Orix | i like the font |
| 07:17.19 | Orix | looks nice |
| 07:17.29 | lXl | Wasn't so bad considering what preceeded it |
| 07:17.58 | lXl | Yeah, I think it ended up using 3 fonts total. |
| 07:18.40 | lXl | Wasn't completely intuitive but it was clean and easy to read in combat. |
| 07:18.53 | Orix | i always used default wow |
| 07:18.58 | Orix | never had an issue with it :P |
| 07:19.15 | lXl | These days I would definitely opt for oversized numbers and better positioning. |
| 07:19.55 | Orix | i played a disc priest through wotlk |
| 07:19.58 | Orix | all i needed was grid |
| 07:20.12 | Orix | and maybe the ability to track PoM |
| 07:20.18 | lXl | It also had like, if you targeted an enemy it showd health %, friendly was hard number. Stuff like that. |
| 07:21.06 | lXl | The gradient was a pain though, had to use two gradients, one red-yellow then yellow-green based on RGB in relation to health % |
| 07:21.22 | lXl | Was pretty proud of myself when I got that code done. |
| 07:21.27 | Orix | btw |
| 07:21.32 | Orix | you're standing in poison |
| 07:21.34 | Orix | in that picture |
| 07:21.39 | Orix | :P |
| 07:21.42 | lXl | I'm not taking damage from it obviously. |
| 07:21.55 | lXl | I minmaxed my positioning so I didn't have to run any further than I needed to. |
| 07:21.57 | lXl | ;) |
| 07:22.12 | Orix | aren't you missing 11k health? |
| 07:22.18 | lXl | I have 2 hots on me. |
| 07:22.21 | Orix | im not sure how to read your health bars :P |
| 07:22.41 | lXl | I think thats me having 11k health. |
| 07:22.46 | Orix | padding da meters |
| 07:23.03 | lXl | If I was in poison there would be more than FoK spam on my screen |
| 07:23.18 | Orix | 2 deadly poison debuff on your bar :P |
| 07:23.25 | Orix | debuffs* |
| 07:23.26 | lXl | Hmm |
| 07:23.29 | lXl | Ok how about this. |
| 07:23.41 | lXl | I'm a druid, I can stand in whatever the ef I want cause I can HoT it back up :D |
| 07:23.48 | Orix | accepted |
| 07:23.50 | lXl | Did that in CC tonight |
| 07:24.02 | lXl | Kept SS 4 stacks on the group on the last boss, just stood in the lightning |
| 07:24.13 | Orix | the HoT mechanic has always been amazing |
| 07:24.17 | Orix | well, not in Vanilla |
| 07:24.19 | lXl | Lol |
| 07:24.22 | Orix | druids sucked ass in vanilla |
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| 07:24.42 | lXl | I like that I spend as much healing someone up with hots than I would use with a regular heal. |
| 07:24.54 | lXl | Except, I can also keep that heal potential rolling for 10 seconds. |
| 07:25.13 | Orix | yeah, the fact you can keep peoples red bars rolling while not doing anything |
| 07:25.15 | lXl | People see hots as really slow reactive healing, but use them for preventative healing and they can get someone back up faster. |
| 07:25.16 | Orix | is awesome |
| 07:25.47 | lXl | Oh yeah, when did health turn green? |
| 07:25.53 | lXl | Didn't red use to be life? |
| 07:25.56 | Orix | yeah |
| 07:25.59 | Orix | not sure when they went to green |
| 07:26.02 | lXl | WoW |
| 07:26.12 | Orix | i remember it being green |
| 07:26.13 | lXl | When/If I make a game I'm making life red again |
| 07:26.21 | Orix | er |
| 07:26.22 | Orix | red |
| 07:26.24 | Orix | i remember it being red |
| 07:26.35 | lXl | Mana blue, energy white, health red. |
| 07:26.43 | Orix | energy is yellow |
| 07:26.47 | lXl | Not in D2 |
| 07:26.49 | Orix | oh d2 |
| 07:26.51 | Orix | yeah |
| 07:27.04 | lXl | Runescape had energy too but I don't think it had a bar. |
| 07:27.42 | lXl | I think RS went to a numeric display for it. |
| 07:28.21 | lXl | Speaking of, I like the idea of running out of breath running away. I know RS gets many lulz but they have carried out a lot of rarely used implementations over the years. |
| 07:28.25 | Orix | my love for playing games has really died down |
| 07:28.28 | Orix | i love the dev process |
| 07:28.29 | Orix | a lot more |
| 07:28.40 | lXl | Also, we haven't had good MMOs worth grinding. |
| 07:29.04 | lXl | If there was something better than themepark I guarantee everyone would be grinding away nonstop. |
| 07:30.04 | lXl | There's so much more the playerbase wants that game companies aren't giving them, game companies try to just do what everyone else is doing because apparently it's what's selling, instead of what would trump it. |
| 07:30.34 | Orix | i think at this point it really boils to man power and $$$ |
| 07:31.52 | Orix | i guess tech too |
| 07:32.01 | Orix | dev'ing tech that hasn't been tried isn't normally a good idea |
| 07:32.12 | Orix | especially in the competitve market that is mmos |
| 07:32.22 | lXl | Well it would be work putting the concepts into modern implementation |
| 07:32.51 | lXl | The concepts aren't exactly new, RvR, actual leveling and sagas as opposed to grinding quests, half decent raiding (which is just balance related) |
| 07:32.58 | lXl | Good PvP, which is just design |
| 07:33.15 | Orix | the draw for me with WoW |
| 07:33.18 | Orix | was the way it felt |
| 07:33.19 | Orix | the combat |
| 07:33.23 | Orix | the way the character moved |
| 07:33.34 | Orix | you look at games like RIFT, Aion, and most of mmos |
| 07:33.40 | Orix | they feel clunky |
| 07:33.46 | Orix | RIFT being the closest to WoW I've found |
| 07:34.01 | lXl | What people seem to miss is stuff from like DAoC or EQ1 but we expect as you say the fluidness of WoW |
| 07:34.10 | lXl | as well as physics/mechanics refinement. |
| 07:34.19 | seebs | argh |
| 07:34.25 | seebs | Stupid people annoy me. |
| 07:34.26 | lXl | You are a pirate. |
| 07:34.38 | lXl | I'm sorry seebs I'll try not to anymore :( |
| 07:34.42 | seebs | Hah, not you. :) |
| 07:34.59 | lXl | Then you won't mind me linking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBbu-wkKrs |
| 07:35.00 | seebs | CoH is introducing a thing which can throttle rewards (money/xp/etc.) if it thinks something is out of line. |
| 07:35.10 | seebs | Huge drama ensues. |
| 07:35.11 | lXl | Wow |
| 07:35.26 | seebs | Thing is... It's clearly aimed at stuff where bugs are creating unintended outcomes. |
| 07:35.41 | Orix | yeah, if you watch most high quality mage pvp videos, it has a lot of fluid movement coupled with on the run casting |
| 07:35.42 | seebs | And there's a number of people who are insisting that anything that results from a program running isn't a bug, because it's working as written. |
| 07:35.47 | Orix | i haven't found a mmo which has that |
| 07:35.48 | seebs | *Sigh* |
| 07:35.56 | lXl | WoW mage or our mage? |
| 07:36.04 | Orix | WoW mage |
| 07:36.12 | seebs | A bug is when programs do not do what you intend. It doesn't matter whether it's code typos or failure to think through inputs. *grumble* |
| 07:36.21 | lXl | WoW did mages better than anyone else at the time. |
| 07:36.22 | seebs | ... |
| 07:36.32 | lXl | Blizzard got mages mobile. |
| 07:36.35 | seebs | Orix, some day when I'm not on my way to bed, I want to ask you about that "clunky" thing. |
| 07:36.50 | Orix | sure :) |
| 07:36.52 | Orix | anytime |
| 07:36.58 | seebs | Because I've heard people say that, and I have never been able to figure out what they're talking about. I'm guessing it's just 'cuz I don't see motion normally to begin with. |
| 07:37.31 | Orix | yeah, i've never found a really good way of explaining it |
| 07:37.34 | Orix | i'll sleep on it tonight |
| 07:37.45 | seebs | I have a suspicion or three, which I am not sure of. |
| 07:38.18 | seebs | My current theory is that there's two or three different things which people are describing, and they're not really the same thing, but they all get described as "clunky". |
| 07:38.19 | lXl | Clunky? |
| 07:38.41 | lXl | What's clunky? |
| 07:39.02 | seebs | Some people claim that WoW's animations are "smooth" and that others, including RIFT, are "clunky". And I've never been able to figure out what they mean. |
| 07:39.10 | Orix | not animations |
| 07:39.11 | Orix | combat |
| 07:39.12 | seebs | It's a common enough complaint that I assume they're referring to a thing. |
| 07:39.14 | Orix | the actual act of combat |
| 07:39.19 | seebs | Ahh! |
| 07:39.29 | seebs | Okay, two things there I can point to that do change the feel. |
| 07:39.33 | lXl | Yeah, Rift's animations are actually smoother than WoWs from what I see. |
| 07:39.55 | seebs | The first is that RIFT defaults to limited queueing, and WoW doesn't. So you can have circumstances where you can push a button and a little later something happens, which couldn't happen in WoW. |
| 07:40.03 | seebs | The second is the way they handle latency. |
| 07:40.15 | lXl | WoW isn't clunky as long as you are <100ms |
| 07:40.22 | Orix | i haven't played rift in a while |
| 07:40.24 | lXl | At 200 it's pretty crap |
| 07:40.32 | Orix | animation transitioning has a large part to play in that as well |
| 07:40.39 | seebs | In WoW, if you push an attack button, you see the attack pretty quickly, but if the system later determines that it shouldn't have been possible, it can retroactively have failed. |
| 07:40.44 | Orix | if you watch a mage instant cast in WoW WHILE running |
| 07:40.46 | lXl | IDK about mages but Rift PVP is pretty slick. |
| 07:40.47 | Orix | it has a much different feel |
| 07:40.55 | Orix | than a mage who runs in rift and casts |
| 07:41.02 | seebs | In RIFT, there's a lot less of that, and a lot more happening-after-ping. |
| 07:41.09 | lXl | Well I think there were also weird delays in spellcasting at the beginning. |
| 07:41.14 | seebs | Hmm. I'll have to watch that some time when I have a good medications day. |
| 07:41.21 | seebs | I can only sometimes see movement usefully. |
| 07:41.29 | lXl | When Rift came out, chaining 3 off GCD spells before one GCD spell caused about a whole global in delays before the GCD went off. |
| 07:41.33 | Orix | is there a repository for rift pvp videos? |
| 07:41.55 | lXl | Now if you chain an off GCD before a GCD you can generally get the two off without really missing any time between casts. |
| 07:41.59 | seebs | Like, most of the time, I can't see most dance animations usefully. |
| 07:41.59 | lXl | Youtube.com :P |
| 07:42.35 | seebs | The first five years I spent playing WoW, I always wondered whether the bear druid dance had the rear and front paws synchronized. |
| 07:42.45 | lXl | I PvPd as a cabalist mostly and it was pretty fluid cast wise, even with my old crappier system, but WoW probably seemed more fluid cause WoW was more focused on CC. |
| 07:42.54 | seebs | Finally got to watch it on a day when I had good sensory integration and it was TOTALLY OBVIOUS. |
| 07:43.27 | lXl | Movement and CC made or broke fights, in Rift it really doesn't matter as much where you stand as how you stand and you only have to survive getting through the first stun if you even get one. |
| 07:43.51 | lXl | They really need to revamp CC in Rift, having 45s immunities or w/e they do is just a bad fix to the problem. |
| 07:43.56 | Orix | i always felt like i had more control of my toon in WoW |
| 07:44.21 | lXl | Cause the game was geared towards CCing, you had more freedom getting away. |
| 07:44.39 | lXl | Rift CC was absoultely retarded so now you're either slammed with it or immune. |
| 07:45.03 | lXl | There isn't this big warrior hamspam vs hunter stun/incapacitiate battles, it's just damage damage damage |
| 07:45.54 | lXl | That's what I've noticed for the differences at least. |
| 07:47.21 | lXl | http://www.learncpp.com/cpp-tutorial/84-access-functions-and-encapsulation/ |
| 07:47.51 | lXl | This whole page is basically saying you can use functions on classes to change the variables within instead of using the variables directly? |
| 07:48.09 | Orix | yes |
| 07:48.45 | lXl | That seems a bit wordy the way they put it. |
| 07:49.12 | lXl | I get their point but the code itself comes down to "you can use functions too" |
| 07:49.48 | Orix | its more than that, its like "this is a better way to write stuff, so you can make changes and it doesn't break" |
| 07:49.55 | Orix | it makes a lot of sense when you think about API stability |
| 07:50.26 | lXl | It seems more like, how to make a class actually a class and not a superfluous array. |
| 07:50.44 | Orix | mhm |
| 07:50.51 | Orix | it is OBJECT oriented programming :P |
| 07:51.01 | lXl | I like this tutorial though, it's been laying things out pretty straightforward. |
| 07:51.17 | Orix | classes default to private |
| 07:51.18 | lXl | I haven't really done OOP |
| 07:51.20 | Orix | structs default to public |
| 07:57.14 | lXl | So for games for example, I might have an object to handle unit/unit action, and for player I might inherit from that and add on player specific stuff? Like main object handles health, but the player object takes that and incorporates buffs/healing or something. |
| 07:58.15 | lXl | Or, modularise actions within the program? |
| 07:58.39 | Orix | uh if you were to prototype it out real fast |
| 07:58.59 | Orix | you'd probably have an Actor, Buff, Action objects |
| 07:59.07 | Orix | Actor would have health, mana, stats |
| 07:59.19 | Orix | Buff would define what a buff does, increase hp, decrease mana, stun |
| 07:59.29 | Orix | and im not sure what you mean by action |
| 08:00.10 | lXl | Modularize the code basically |
| 08:00.33 | Orix | mhm |
| 08:00.43 | Orix | i wrote a game object system |
| 08:00.46 | Orix | way back for a mmo server |
| 08:00.55 | Orix | something me and a friend did in our spare time |
| 08:01.21 | Orix | http://dsmmorpg.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/dsmmorpg/trunk/server/src/go/ |
| 08:02.05 | lXl | Mmm, thanks. |
| 08:02.18 | lXl | That will probably make some of this clearer. |
| 08:02.34 | Orix | i'm not sure how easy it will be to follow |
| 08:02.39 | Orix | i'd do some stuff a lot differently now |
| 08:02.46 | Orix | but its more or less the basics |
| 08:04.37 | Orix | anyways, got class in the morning |
| 08:04.43 | Orix | if you have questions i will be around tomorrow |
| 08:04.53 | lXl | Okay, it's not hard to follow. |
| 08:05.09 | Orix | we went for readability |
| 08:05.21 | lXl | Also helps me know what is more commonly used and how |
| 08:05.22 | Orix | All you could do with the server was load into a region and run around and chat |
| 08:05.34 | Orix | never got combat working |
| 08:05.35 | lXl | That's all you really need to start. |
| 08:05.47 | lXl | Everything else just builds on that. |
| 08:06.06 | Orix | true, enjoy, night :) |
| 08:06.10 | lXl | Night :) |
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| 11:40.56 | starlon | Is there documentation for bar frames? |
| 11:41.12 | starlon | may have an outdated docs. |
| 11:46.08 | starlon | Oh this isn't a real bar I don't think, looking at the Buff bar example. |
| 11:50.36 | ZorbaTHut | yeah there's no official bar frame |
| 11:50.45 | ZorbaTHut | Zorba's Buff Bars just assembles its own bars out of components |
| 11:51.17 | ZorbaTHut | we don't actually have any internal "bar" elements, so one way or another you're gonna be making bars yourself |
| 11:59.41 | starlon | k |
| 12:00.18 | Sling | perhaps a scrollbar? |
| 12:00.26 | Sling | mixed with some creative positioning :) |
| 12:01.17 | ZorbaTHut | no scrollbars yet either, honestly :) |
| 12:01.38 | Sling | ah thats also hacked geometry? :p heh |
| 12:02.24 | ZorbaTHut | well, we have internal scrollbars, but nothing exposed to the addon system as of yet |
| 12:04.35 | ZorbaTHut | btw, next patch notes will include the first prebuilt UI widgets :) |
| 12:14.04 | starlon | cool |
| 12:37.38 | starlon | No quest info on tooltip makes me sad. |
| 12:38.17 | starlon | Are there any plans to provide an API for quests? |
| 12:39.56 | ZorbaTHut | I generally don't say things like this, but: yes, absolutely. It's just a matter of priorities. |
| 12:45.17 | starlon | k |
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| 21:06.04 | Marru_ | Anyone on? |
| 21:06.29 | Cairenn | Nope |
| 21:07.11 | Marru_ | Lol, think u could answer a quick question about events? |
| 21:07.40 | Cairenn | Probably not |
| 21:07.46 | Marru_ | Kk |
| 21:07.51 | Cairenn | But someone else may be able to |
| 21:07.54 | Cairenn | Ask away :) |
| 21:08.49 | Marru_ | Lol, aight well im still learnin and am just tryin to create a basic target tooltip kind of addon to teach myself the basics |
| 21:09.16 | Marru_ | I can do inspect.unit.detail or w/e |
| 21:09.59 | Marru_ | But i was wonderin how to use events like event.unit.available to provide a unit ID |
| 21:10.53 | Marru_ | Basicly tryin to do a player mouseover tooltip thing |
| 21:11.45 | Marru_ | Anyone got tips on how to retrieve IDs from events n pass em to functions? |
| 21:15.12 | Marru_ | Anyone? It seems like it should be fairly simple |
| 21:26.39 | seebs | ... Sorry, brain's not online right now. I'm not ignoring you, just stupid at the moment. |
| 21:27.06 | seebs | I think the idea is that if you request events you have a callback function called which is given information about the event. |
| 21:28.37 | Marru_ | Given information? So like if i do table.insert event.unit.add blah i can just use a variable called ID? |
| 21:28.52 | Marru_ | In the resulting function? |
| 21:29.07 | seebs | No, you'd get something (probably a table) as an argument to your function. |
| 21:29.33 | seebs | Sorry, still at work, so I can't answer your questions coherently unless they're about the giant template processing shell script I'm working on. :) |
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| 21:33.11 | Sunspots | I'll show you how I'm doing it |
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| 21:33.38 | Sunspots | It took me some time to figure it out (I'm very new to this as well) |
| 21:34.58 | Sunspots | (I think you could use LibUnitChange to make it easierbtw) |
| 21:42.24 | Sunspots | http://rift.curseforge.com/paste/3933/ |
| 21:43.57 | Sunspots | It might help (or maybe it's just a weird way to do it) |
| 21:44.16 | hp94 | ?? |
| 21:52.15 | Sunspots | Marru was wondering about getting unit IDs from events |
| 21:52.27 | hp94 | ooooo |
| 21:53.51 | Sunspots | But I realised that it would probably only work for Unit.Detail-events |
| 21:59.44 | Sunspots | table.insert(Event.Unit.Available, {dump, "SunsWorld", "Available"}) |
| 22:00.01 | Sunspots | Dumps the output |
| 22:01.41 | Sunspots | It won't be called if you mouseover someone targeted or (I believe) in your group |
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| 22:03.37 | Marru_ | Sry lost connection |
| 22:04.34 | Marru_ | So if i got a table, how would i access it and wat would it be called? Unit? |
| 22:07.32 | Sunspots | I'm trying to figure out a good way to do it.. |
| 22:07.54 | Marru_ | Kk thx |
| 22:08.01 | Sunspots | table.insert(Event.Unit.Available, {dump, "SunsWorld", "Available"}) |
| 22:08.42 | Sunspots | At least it dumps the output into the chat window, which can be useful |
| 22:10.01 | Marru_ | K, wat does it output if u have someone targeted? I cant test it right now otherwise i would |
| 22:11.49 | Sunspots | If you mouseover someone who is already targeted, the event won't fire at all |
| 22:12.07 | Sunspots | Event.Unit.Add seems to fire every time |
| 22:12.40 | Marru_ | Well it woulda fired when u targeted tho |
| 22:14.07 | Marru_ | But either way im tryin to access the unit id, does it output anything thatd tell me about how to do that? |
| 22:14.39 | Sunspots | It outputs the unit ID, yeah |
| 22:14.57 | Sunspots | All Event.Unit-events output a unit ID |
| 22:15.05 | Marru_ | So how would i use that in a function? |
| 22:15.57 | Sunspots | I think the simplest thing to do is to use LibUnitChange |
| 22:16.05 | Sunspots | I just tried it and it works like a charm |
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| 22:18.33 | Marru_ | How would i do that |
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| 22:21.56 | Sunspots | http://rift.curseforge.com/paste/3936/ |
| 22:22.11 | Sunspots | Just make sure you've got LibUnitChange |
| 22:23.44 | Marru_ | Aight cool thx, ill test that out later |
