| 00:00.23 | seebs | I actually got a stalker once by writing about C. |
| 00:00.43 | lXl-M | wat |
| 00:00.51 | seebs | I posted a negative review of a crappy book and some guy (NOT the author!) has spent months trying to get me discredited and banned from wikipedia and stuff. |
| 00:01.00 | lXl-M | that you know about* :p |
| 00:01.06 | seebs | It's a long story and involves a crazy guy. |
| 00:01.15 | seebs | Oh, he's a famous crazy guy. Ever heard of Godwin's Law? |
| 00:01.22 | seebs | This is the guy Mike Godwin was talking about. |
| 00:01.46 | lXl-M | not really sounds familiar though |
| 00:02.16 | seebs | Godwin's Law: As the length of a discussion continues, the probability of a comparison to Hitler or Nazis approaches 1. |
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| 00:02.24 | seebs | And in general, at that point the thread is mostly useless. |
| 00:02.32 | Lyme | ZorbaTHut can we get a ROS acheivement for jumping off the bridge? |
| 00:02.48 | ZorbaTHut | I'm the wrong person to ask about that :P |
| 00:02.50 | Sling | Lyme: this isnt really a feature request room :p |
| 00:02.56 | Sling | i think you asked that a few weeks ago already :) |
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| 00:03.07 | Lyme | ya, but he didn't respond |
| 00:03.30 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, ask me about addons, totally okay. ask me about UI, I can pass that along. other stuff, kinda out of luck :) |
| 00:03.54 | Lyme | aww :( |
| 00:04.00 | lXl-M | you mean you cant hack me plats? |
| 00:04.28 | Lyme | guess I'll have to post the request on the boards, and get tainted by the unwashed masses |
| 00:06.43 | hp94 | Zorba, I've got a quick question: If I put in a GM's name into a ticket, and they're online, does the named GMs receive the ticket? Or does it go through normal queueing processes. |
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| 00:08.38 | Sling | yeah a developer should know how the gm's work! oh wait.. |
| 00:09.21 | lXl-M | zorba didnt code the gms into the game? |
| 00:10.42 | hp94 | GMs need UIs |
| 00:10.49 | hp94 | pretty UIs |
| 00:11.24 | Sling | hp94: GMs dont use the game client as interface to the ticketing system |
| 00:11.27 | hp94 | fun fact: Blizzard GMs get two moniters, use to run on Windows Vista, and they could have 10+ chat windows open at once - and the windows were pure white on black for reading |
| 00:11.28 | lXl-M | i bet gms have leds on their uis |
| 00:11.33 | lXl-M | and spinners |
| 00:11.42 | hp94 | aw |
| 00:12.10 | lXl-M | i use two monitors here.. its pretty standard these days |
| 00:12.27 | Sling | i have one big monitor, its nice |
| 00:12.33 | Sling | especially with the window snapping in aero |
| 00:12.54 | lXl-M | comp costs a grand..ish. screens like 100 a pop.. why not double productivity |
| 00:13.05 | lXl-M | i hate snap :( |
| 00:13.23 | lXl-M | i want 27"x3 at home |
| 00:13.48 | Sling | if you need 27"x3 you're doing something wrong :p |
| 00:13.48 | Lyme | I've got 3x24 |
| 00:14.16 | Sling | i can dev just fine on 2x 19" at work or 1x 26" at home |
| 00:14.19 | lXl-M | one for netflix.. one for forums.. and one for healing t2 |
| 00:15.46 | lXl-M | i have 2x24 and im always stressed for room.. especially if im coding or mixing |
| 00:15.55 | lXl-M | 2x22* |
| 00:20.33 | ZorbaTHut | hp94, I doubt things are filtered based on GM name. Don't know for certain though. |
| 00:21.59 | hp94 | Well, I'm thinking that there might be some queue escalation keywords - In WoW, for a few days the words were actually available to players in a list in API (don't think they let it stay very long). |
| 00:22.47 | Sling | hp94: I'm sure they won't appreciate you using them just to get their attention |
| 00:23.01 | Sling | they are used to filter out key topics, not as a way for players to get their tickets higher up |
| 00:23.51 | hp94 | The queues are like 10 minutes normally, which is AWESOME for a ticket service. No real need for even urgent tickets to be any faster. |
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| 00:49.41 | ZorbaTHut | hp94, this is another thing that falls under the "if I knew, I couldn't tell you" category ;) |
| 00:49.52 | ZorbaTHut | (and under the ". . . but I don't actually know" category) |
| 00:50.45 | hp94 | I seem to have a habit of asking those questions =S |
| 00:50.55 | ZorbaTHut | a lot of the most interesting questions are under that category |
| 00:51.06 | ZorbaTHut | that's one of the reasons I got a job at an MMO studio - so I could find out the answers. :D |
| 00:51.30 | Sling | but then the mmo studio grows big and info gets compartimentalized :( |
| 00:52.24 | lXl-M | I got to learn how internets work for my job |
| 00:52.27 | ZorbaTHut | and the nice thing about being a senior engineer and being friends with some of the senior engineers on the backend team is that you can kind of ignore the compartments :P |
| 00:52.36 | Sling | heh true |
| 01:00.08 | hp94 | I actually took Digital Media and Interactive Technology for pretty much the same reason; I wanted to know how the games work. |
| 01:02.24 | lXl-M | i already know how games work : slmash buttons > get loots |
| 01:03.44 | Lyme | I participated in writing crystal space 10+ years ago for that |
| 01:11.01 | lXl-M | i wanna learn to code games |
| 01:16.30 | hp94 | I could show you the code for my game |
| 01:17.52 | hp94 | But I have to warn you, I don't comment ANYTHING EVER |
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| 01:20.56 | AndChat- | f wifi |
| 01:23.46 | Lyme | people who don't comment are fail |
| 01:27.05 | Sling | indeed |
| 01:27.12 | Sling | even if you're the only one ever reading the code |
| 01:27.34 | Cairenn | Always comment your code |
| 01:27.36 | Sling | and even if you pick overly descriptive variable/function names |
| 01:28.26 | Cairenn | You wouldn't believe how many people I hear going "why the hell did I do [x] here" - coders doing it both professionally and as a hobby |
| 01:28.52 | Cairenn | And yeah, don't use stupid names for your globals or locals |
| 01:28.56 | Sling | sometimes i dont even understand my own comments |
| 01:29.05 | Cairenn | use names, not letters, and make them mean something |
| 01:29.58 | Sling | / because derived stats are processed before calculating the score, |
| 01:29.58 | Sling | // the base stats weighting from which they are derived will need to be adjusted to compensate |
| 01:30.04 | Sling | i still have to reword that |
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| 01:36.43 | seebs | One exception: It is often a lot clearer to use letters for things that have solid idiomatic meanings. |
| 01:36.48 | seebs | for (i = 0; ...) |
| 01:38.54 | seebs | Stuff like x, y for coordinates, or r, g, b for color components, similarly |
| 01:40.16 | Sling | but even in a for loop, a variable named counter is more 'readable' then i |
| 01:40.18 | Cairenn | Yeah, but those are standardized throughout the industry |
| 01:40.49 | Cairenn | everyone knows those, even without being programmers |
| 01:41.20 | Cairenn | x y and rgb are even taught in school |
| 01:41.28 | Cairenn | (for coords and colours) |
| 01:41.55 | Cairenn | if you've ever taken a math course or done /anything/ with colour, you know them |
| 01:42.07 | Lyme | x.y taught in school (as in math/science graphing) have 0,0 in the bottom left rather than the top left. |
| 01:42.52 | hp94 | Hmm, ya |
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| 01:43.38 | hp94 | Yep... |
| 01:43.39 | Lyme | also, unless you get to some of the higher levels of high school, you will not get matrix algebra. |
| 01:44.07 | hp94 | 3d matrices math is like, crazy - brb |
| 01:49.32 | Lyme | it's actually pretty easy |
| 01:50.01 | Lyme | but if you don't have your matrix math, you're going to have a hard time. |
| 01:53.09 | lXl-M | i took the blue pill |
| 01:54.34 | seebs | Yeah, point is, they are an exception to the general rule that you should use meaningful names. Letters are okay when they're used like pronouns. |
| 01:55.29 | lXl-M | going forward im going to use pokemon names exclusively for all variables |
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| 01:59.13 | lXl-M | for charizard=1,0 do |
| 02:02.01 | ZorbaTHut | for bonus points, use the same name for every variable, but vary the capitalization |
| 02:02.28 | ZorbaTHut | for Charizard = 1, 10 do charIzard = ChArizard + (chariZArd * CHaRiZArd()) end |
| 02:02.47 | Cairenn | ZorbaTHut: rofl, that never happened in any WoW addon coding, did it? *snark* |
| 02:02.59 | Sling | also dont count in intervals of 1, but look trough a fixed int array with random numbers |
| 02:03.00 | ZorbaTHut | not any of mine, at least :D |
| 02:03.06 | Sling | loop* |
| 02:03.07 | Cairenn | ZorbaTHut: no, not yours |
| 02:03.20 | Sling | and reference them by array index |
| 02:03.27 | Sling | is good at obfuscating |
| 02:08.27 | lXl-M | For End If And Or as variables |
| 02:10.34 | lXl-M | would using confusing var names be considered obfuscation violation? |
| 02:11.52 | Sling | depends on the degree of confusing probably :) |
| 02:12.15 | lXl-M | as stated above |
| 02:12.25 | Sling | if its confusing in a way that might obfuscate the true working of the code, sure |
| 02:13.28 | lXl-M | i use a lot of shorthand in coding like single char vars and sloppy formatting.. its a bitch to read my code |
| 03:35.46 | Lyme | sloppy coding style makes it difficult to become a professional programmer, being in government I'll can a contractor if their code is sloppy. |
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| 03:38.56 | lXl-M | code isnt sloppy i just dont whitespace cause im really the only person thats going to see it.. or should see it. its like my room.. im anal about organizing at work but idc at home |
| 03:39.18 | seebs | I can't use different rules like that, all my code has to make me happy. |
| 03:53.42 | Lyme | ixi-m if it is just for you, that is fine, which is why I framed my statement as such. |
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| 04:07.25 | ZorbaTHut | x, it's usually not too tough to distinguish between "I write really messy code" and "I am intentionally obfuscating my code so other people can't read it" |
| 04:07.52 | ZorbaTHut | there are certainly gray areas, but those don't work well as obfuscation anyway |
| 04:19.11 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 04:27.27 | Lyme | As well the point of obfuscating code when you are being paid to develop it, isn't generally a good policy. Unless you are asked to of course. |
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| 05:46.48 | lXl | Hello |
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| 14:29.23 | starlon | all talk about obfuscating reminds me of C#'s @ operator. http://starlon.lyrical.net/CODE/C-sharp/Fugly.cs |
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| 14:59.50 | grieve | can't say I've ever used @ like that in C#, what does it do? |
| 15:00.23 | grieve | can only remember it being used like that in PHP for supressing error messages |
| 15:02.33 | MiracleManS | I feel like this is going to be a ridiculously silly question, but is there a reason that Inspect.Unit.List() is returning an empty table on the PTS right now. I'm sure I'm doing something stupid? |
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| 16:17.16 | starlon | grieve, it simply allows you to use @int as a variable name. It's totally useless imo. |
| 16:47.54 | Shirik | starlon: It's not useless |
| 16:47.57 | Shirik | It's very important |
| 16:48.11 | Shirik | The reason it has to exist is because .NET needs to work across multiple languages |
| 16:48.26 | Shirik | if you're interfacing with a VB library that decided to name a variable "int" for some reason, that's the only way to get to it |
| 16:48.36 | Shirik | since "int" is not a keyword in VB |
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| 17:28.52 | starlon | Then I guess it's slightly less useless than I thought. ;) .NET is creepy. |
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| 17:57.41 | Lyme | starlon that is not he purpose of @, the purpose of @ is to take the following string literally. So that instead of "c:\\temp\\temp.txt" you can do @"c:\temp\temp.txt". It also lets you do multi-line text. |
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| 20:15.36 | Sling | hmmm almost sicaron down, 8% ftw |
| 20:15.46 | lXl | ? |
| 20:15.50 | hp94 | sicaron? |
| 20:15.58 | Sling | you know, that boss in hammerknell |
| 20:16.07 | lXl | I haven't hammerknell yet |
| 20:16.10 | hp94 | hammerknell? |
| 20:16.11 | Sling | aww |
| 20:16.15 | lXl | Carry me? |
| 20:16.22 | Sling | sure hop on |
| 20:17.10 | lXl | :( |
| 20:17.19 | lXl | What servers are yall on anyway? |
| 20:17.48 | Sling | blightweald |
| 20:18.04 | lXl | I reside Belmont Defiant |
| 20:18.43 | hp94 | awesome, I got a level 30 something defiant |
| 20:18.59 | lXl | On what |
| 20:27.51 | hp94 | defiant, I can transfer |
| 20:28.15 | lXl | Actually I'm considering transferring off. |
| 20:30.25 | hp94 | =( |
| 20:30.30 | hp94 | Zorba, who's your main? |
| 20:33.44 | Sling | hp94: stop asking silly questions :p |
| 20:34.06 | hp94 | Can you pastebin the gamebyro source code? |
| 20:34.15 | hp94 | ^ silly me =) |
| 20:34.31 | Cairenn | I don't know about Trion, but most game companies have a policy against their employees divulging the names and servers of their characters |
| 20:34.47 | seebs | Trion sort of does. |
| 20:35.03 | seebs | Some of the devs disclose characters, but I think those are characters they have just for disclosing, if that makes any sense. |
| 20:36.17 | hp94 | Yea, it does. |
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