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| 05:51.16 | lXl | Home time :D |
| 05:52.16 | Cairenn | night |
| 06:29.18 | lXl | UGH |
| 06:29.26 | lXl | woot.com keeps taking mah monies. |
| 06:29.37 | lXl | Why do they keep putting out nice shirts. |
| 06:41.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:41.23 | lXl | http://shirt.woot.com/ |
| 06:41.35 | lXl | How could I not? |
| 06:47.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:59.28 | lXl | I'm going to get into C++/Directx |
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| 07:40.13 | hp94 | oooo this was a hard day =( |
| 07:40.42 | hp94 | Thursdays and Fridays I'm working from 8AM to 11PM (with 2 1 hour breaks) |
| 07:41.16 | Orix | get a better job with better hours |
| 07:41.57 | hp94 | college + job |
| 07:42.25 | hp94 | college is 8am to 3 (or 6) pm mon-fri |
| 07:42.37 | Orix | statement still stands :P |
| 07:42.45 | hp94 | haha |
| 07:43.02 | hp94 | The only thing I'm pissed about is tuitions nearly doubled since last semester |
| 07:43.22 | hp94 | from 1200 per semester to 1900, its insane. |
| 07:43.31 | lXl | Hi hp |
| 07:43.47 | hp94 | It's like raising rent except it effects me, so I have an opinion on it now |
| 07:43.51 | hp94 | hey lXl =D |
| 07:43.57 | lXl | I'm "learning" C++ |
| 07:43.59 | lXl | Sort of :\ |
| 07:44.16 | hp94 | Going well? |
| 07:44.19 | lXl | No |
| 07:44.36 | hp94 | What do you need help with? |
| 07:44.50 | lXl | Getting started lol :P |
| 07:45.07 | Orix | learning memory management |
| 07:45.18 | Orix | and not from a high level |
| 07:45.19 | Orix | from a low level |
| 07:45.21 | lXl | I'm googling tutorials so something will get me going. |
| 07:45.23 | Orix | the rest is gravy |
| 07:46.01 | hp94 | Well, want to write a DLL? I can do that in C++ with Visual Studio.... |
| 07:46.16 | Orix | -.- |
| 07:46.28 | hp94 | ^ =) |
| 07:47.59 | hp94 | wanna listen to reqium by team party? |
| 07:48.03 | lXl | I downloaded Visual C++ express |
| 07:48.58 | Orix | yeah you should prolly start with C |
| 07:49.02 | Orix | and grab the basics |
| 07:49.09 | Orix | imo |
| 07:49.16 | lXl | Meh, I should probably start with something more basic than C but oh well. |
| 07:49.26 | Orix | assembler? |
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| 07:50.04 | Orix | push |
| 07:50.05 | Orix | pop |
| 07:50.07 | Orix | computer explodes |
| 07:50.14 | lXl | I learned Lua from tutorials and just brute forcing code until stuff worked, stuff ended up working. |
| 07:50.17 | hp94_ | odd dc - what happened? |
| 07:50.53 | Orix | you'll run into alot of issues without garbage collection if you try and do that |
| 07:51.28 | lXl | Like what? |
| 07:51.58 | Orix | leaking memory |
| 07:52.21 | lXl | But game companies do that all the time. |
| 07:52.30 | lXl | It's not good practice? :P |
| 07:52.34 | hp94_ | When I ran garbage collection on my programs it erased everything. Still wondering if it was giving me a hint... |
| 07:52.35 | Orix | not at all |
| 07:53.23 | hp94_ | Well as long as no one's drowning in a sea of dangling pointers you'll do fine, especially if its not a big project. |
| 07:53.26 | Orix | what do you mean when you "ran garbage collection on my programs" |
| 07:53.51 | lXl | He had programs, he ran garbage collection |
| 07:54.04 | ZorbaTHut | memory leaks are hard to deal with :( such a recurring problem |
| 07:54.23 | Orix | anyways, don't listen to hp94_, you don't want your stuff to leak, AT ALL, if you can manage it |
| 07:54.38 | lXl | My car leaks oil can I use GC on that? |
| 07:54.38 | Orix | if you're leaking memory, you should really track it down and clean it up |
| 07:54.54 | Orix | yes! |
| 07:54.57 | lXl | Sweet |
| 07:55.01 | Orix | collect the garbage and dispose of it properly |
| 07:55.08 | Orix | the environment will thank you :) |
| 07:55.12 | lXl | But yeah, I'm just going through tutorials right now. |
| 07:55.19 | Orix | such as your ram will thank you for not leaking all over it :) |
| 07:55.31 | lXl | I have plenty of ram to leak into |
| 07:55.46 | Orix | yeah, its pretty inexpensive resource to abuse |
| 07:55.49 | Orix | most of the time |
| 07:56.56 | Orix | as projects grow and expand, leaking is bad, makes debugging painful |
| 07:57.02 | lXl | Speaking of ram, WRU 8g sticks |
| 07:57.04 | hp94_ | I was making a joke that my programming is trash - as well, lXl, for memory leaks it depends on what you're doing. I've got almost no experience in C++, but I have had buffer overflows, and it didn't seem so bad. But what I'm giving is more an opinion than advice, I'd listen to Orix. |
| 07:57.19 | Orix | or if you really don't want to manage your own memory, learn the shared pointer idiom |
| 07:57.26 | Orix | oh and BOOST is your friend in C++ |
| 07:57.36 | lXl | Whats boost |
| 07:57.51 | Orix | http://www.boost.org/ |
| 07:58.03 | Orix | implements some really good high level concepts |
| 07:58.08 | ZorbaTHut | boost is probably a bad idea for a beginner - it's got some really obscure functionality that is just not needed |
| 07:58.17 | ZorbaTHut | and I'd recommend learning the basics of templates before using boost's insane templates |
| 07:58.24 | lXl | Lol |
| 07:58.31 | Orix | sure, but most people don't get hung up on the semantics of templates |
| 07:58.40 | Orix | whereas memory management slaughters people |
| 07:59.26 | ZorbaTHut | true |
| 07:59.54 | Orix | i'd start with memory basics |
| 08:00.01 | Orix | understanding how it works |
| 08:00.06 | Orix | not even c/c++ |
| 08:00.14 | Orix | thats if i could do it over again :P |
| 08:00.17 | lXl | Bah |
| 08:00.54 | lXl | I've been dabbling with PHP and Lua for years I want to see something different and useful |
| 08:01.27 | Orix | yeah, c++ is really powerful (c even moreso) but i hate to sound like a cliche |
| 08:01.34 | Orix | with great power comes great responsibility |
| 08:01.38 | Orix | aka. don't rape my ram :P |
| 08:01.44 | lXl | Don't run my code :P |
| 08:01.52 | Orix | deal :P |
| 08:02.12 | Orix | but yeah, if you have any questions, let me know, try and answer them for you the best i can |
| 08:04.23 | seebs | I am not a big C++ fan, really. |
| 08:04.26 | lXl | I learn weird, I learn by how things work together, not how one specific thing does, I do well on example code :) |
| 08:04.44 | Orix | yeah fair enough, im really the same way, i have to get my fingers into it to get it to work |
| 08:05.35 | lXl | Honestly it's how I learned Lua at all.. I would get a snip of code to work then other pieces just fell into place. |
| 08:05.58 | Orix | http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/articles/12974/ |
| 08:06.04 | Orix | could start there |
| 08:06.31 | lXl | While( user == gullible ) |
| 08:06.44 | lXl | Am I getting trolled? |
| 08:07.01 | Orix | no :P |
| 08:07.02 | hp94_ | "Site is unsafe" "Smartscreen blocked this website" |
| 08:07.12 | hp94_ | I've been to that website before... |
| 08:07.18 | hp94_ | I think... |
| 08:07.19 | lXl | Wat? You have a site advisor? |
| 08:07.44 | hp94 | I don't visit inappropriate sites, don't need that on a computer I bring to school every day. |
| 08:09.06 | lXl | Dungeon crawl! |
| 08:09.18 | Orix | and if you're looking for dll specific examples i have code you can look at |
| 08:09.33 | hp94 | I'm looking for dll specific examples myself |
| 08:09.45 | Orix | to do what? |
| 08:11.00 | hp94 | I'm actually taking a 'programming fundamentals' first year course because I missed it in my first semester (not sure why they let me take the advanced ones without it first year, but I did fine). Now I'm going to make dlls for reference to my code so when the teacher looks at the source code, its referencing a dll I made and all he sees is that the end result works on my machine when it runs. |
| 08:12.36 | lXl | Coding + wine = ??? |
| 08:12.51 | hp94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.41 | Orix | dll programming isn't all that different from regular programming, if you're not talking about .NET |
| 08:14.14 | lXl | Found some merlot :D |
| 08:14.23 | Orix | just need to pick a calling convention and follow it |
| 08:17.18 | lXl | WHAT? |
| 08:17.29 | lXl | Orix I just realized something, that site you linked me has a tutorial section. |
| 08:17.38 | lXl | When you linked that site to me, I was already following the tutorial. Lol |
| 08:17.51 | Orix | now you have some stuff to do WHILE you follow the tutorials :P |
| 08:18.03 | lXl | I was like.. "This looks familiar" /tab /tab "Mind.. blown" |
| 08:18.22 | lXl | Acutally, when I switched tabs I was scrolled to the same line. |
| 08:21.11 | Orix | hp94: http://pastebin.com/Ksh6hPyV |
| 08:21.18 | Orix | an example of exported dll functions |
| 08:22.28 | hp94 | awesome |
| 08:22.38 | hp94 | *le copy le paste* |
| 08:22.53 | Orix | and to call those |
| 08:22.54 | Orix | you would... |
| 08:23.46 | Orix | depends if you're hooking into your host application for class |
| 08:23.51 | Orix | or if you're just using the LoadModule |
| 08:24.04 | Orix | i'd assume just loading |
| 08:24.36 | hp94 | ya ('fundamentals') |
| 08:24.39 | hp94 | =S |
| 08:24.49 | Orix | _FunctionName@# |
| 08:24.55 | Orix | where # is the size of the parameters |
| 08:26.04 | Orix | yeah, you'll need to find some literature, i only have examples of calling hooked dll functions from host apps |
| 08:26.08 | Orix | which id on't think would do you any good in this case |
| 08:27.43 | hp94 | still, thanks a ton man |
| 08:30.11 | Orix | you're welcome |
| 08:31.49 | ZorbaTHut | I'm kind of entertained by amazon allowing you to "subscribe" to basically everything. there's something frightening about the idea of going through 108 ounces of coconut oil every month |
| 08:32.03 | lXl | .. What? |
| 08:32.16 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Organic-Coconut-54-Ounce-Containers/dp/B003QDRJXY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1315643397&sr=8-3 look on the right. "Subscribe and Save" |
| 08:33.18 | lXl | You could select every few months.. |
| 08:33.34 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's just the default |
| 08:33.42 | lXl | Coconut oil is suppose to be pretty nice actually. |
| 08:34.14 | lXl | Full of yummy saturated fats. |
| 08:34.24 | ZorbaTHut | yep, that's why I'm buying it |
| 08:34.33 | lXl | Every month? |
| 08:34.37 | ZorbaTHut | no. :P |
| 08:34.40 | lXl | Oh :( |
| 08:34.56 | lXl | If I go through it like I go through heavy cream I probably could. |
| 08:35.25 | lXl | Pint of heavy cream lasts me a couple of weeks, if I don't cook with it. |
| 08:35.38 | hp94 | well, according to the selection heirarchy, values sent are 1 for one-time delivery, 2 for monthly, 3 for bimonthly, etc. There's no less than 1 month option, at least |
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| 08:35.53 | ZorbaTHut | "send me seven pounds of coconut oil every week please" |
| 08:36.26 | lXl | That's a lot of coconut oil Zorba.. |
| 08:36.34 | ZorbaTHut | HOOK IT TO MY VEINS |
| 08:36.36 | hp94 | "im REALLY thirsty" |
| 08:36.43 | ZorbaTHut | I SHALL BECOME THE COCONAUGHT |
| 08:36.50 | lXl | Lol |
| 08:36.56 | Orix | :P |
| 08:37.04 | hp94 | hahaha |
| 08:38.14 | lXl | http://www.amazon.com/Coconut-Pressed-Certified-Organic-gallons/dp/B002ALI8OC/ref=sr_1_37?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1315643855&sr=1-37 |
| 08:38.17 | lXl | You can't get that recurring |
| 08:38.36 | lXl | "I need one of these, once a month" |
| 08:39.19 | lXl | "This coconut oil does not get rancid. I buy it in the five gallon bucket, which lasts about two+ years, and it keeps beautifully. " geez |
| 08:39.49 | hp94 | Quantity: 30 price $6150.00 |
| 08:41.27 | lXl | I should try coconut oil. What do you usually use it for? |
| 08:41.28 | ZorbaTHut | time to figure out something to do with 150 gallons of coconut oil |
| 08:41.44 | ZorbaTHut | x, it's a cooking oil or a butter substitute. it's a little annoying to work with because it's solid at room temperature |
| 08:41.56 | ZorbaTHut | but with a little cajoling you can use it for anything you'd use olive oil or butter on |
| 08:41.58 | lXl | Lard substitute? |
| 08:42.12 | lXl | I use plenty of olive oil and butter. |
| 08:42.17 | ZorbaTHut | I'm actually not sure, I don't use lard for anything |
| 08:42.28 | lXl | Just not fond of vegetable oil and it's hard to find good lard. |
| 08:42.39 | ZorbaTHut | I'm going to be trying the keto diet and it's highly recommended for that. plus I think coconut is delicious. |
| 08:42.41 | lXl | I've bought some shortening for pie crust before. |
| 08:42.57 | lXl | No carb diet? |
| 08:43.04 | ZorbaTHut | no or ultra-low, yeah |
| 08:43.19 | ZorbaTHut | probably leaning a bit towards paleo as well |
| 08:43.46 | lXl | It works from what I understand. |
| 08:43.51 | hp94 | I use lard for my ultra-high calorie diet personally |
| 08:44.23 | lXl | A coworker tried low carb and it's hard for him. I can do it fine because I hardly crave sugar but anything super fatty is like catnip for me. |
| 08:44.24 | Orix | i just rock the see food diet |
| 08:44.25 | Orix | works great |
| 08:44.33 | lXl | That joke doesn't work in text. |
| 08:44.46 | Orix | not a joke |
| 08:45.01 | Orix | i have to eat loads of calories to gain any semblence of weight |
| 08:45.08 | ZorbaTHut | I'm going to miss pasta |
| 08:45.29 | ZorbaTHut | but I'm going to be quite happy with meats and things. really, from what I can tell, pasta is the only thing that'll be tough |
| 08:45.55 | lXl | I was in pretty terrible shape nutrition wise when I moved back to TX, I basically went on a low carb somewhat paleo diet just by accident and I've felt amazing since. Now I swap towards inclusive dieting but I still try to limit carbs to reasonable levels. |
| 08:47.43 | lXl | Well generally people carb up on ketosis, and you really only need it to initially lose weight. Once you get your body tuned up you could probably incorporate pasta here and there |
| 08:48.20 | ZorbaTHut | eh, I'll figure out something |
| 08:48.30 | lXl | I forget why but I know body builders are crazy over ketosis for cutting and they have to set times to indulge on carbs for whatever reason but it breaks you out of ketosis. |
| 08:49.46 | lXl | Speaking of pasta, I have leftover spaghetti :> |
| 08:50.31 | ZorbaTHut | I has pork chop :> |
| 08:50.39 | ZorbaTHut | I don't even know what the crust on this is but it's delicious |
| 08:51.47 | lXl | MMMM |
| 08:52.23 | lXl | I wish I could punch a pig IRL and have it drop a porkchop. |
| 08:52.37 | lXl | Then cook it on some lava that I happen to be carrying around in a bucket. |
| 08:59.56 | hp94 | Anyone here want to talk on skype? |
| 09:00.19 | lXl | With you? :P |
| 09:00.39 | hp94 | Well, I guess.... |
| 09:00.53 | lXl | I don't use skype. |
| 09:01.42 | hp94 | lXl: http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll302/8u3jc/pinkiepieflavour.gif |
| 09:02.05 | lXl | You are so going to get banned one day for your fruiticorns |
| 09:03.09 | lXl | A tablespoon of butter makes anything taste DELICIOUS |
| 09:03.45 | hp94 | http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll302/8u3jc/suggestion.png |
| 09:04.17 | hp94 | Zorba please don't ban me =( |
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| 09:15.56 | hp94|angry | RIFT won't stay loaded |
| 09:16.01 | lXl | lua> if not true or false then return end |
| 09:16.02 | lua_bot | lXl: No output |
| 09:16.03 | hp94|angry | keeps disconnecting me |
| 09:16.05 | lXl | :( |
| 09:16.27 | lXl | Luabot has nothing to say about that one. |
| 09:17.35 | hp94|angry | lua> if not true or false then for i=1, 0 do print(i) end end |
| 09:17.36 | lua_bot | hp94|angry: No output |
| 09:17.50 | lXl | Defeated the purpose of it |
| 09:18.25 | hp94|angry | oh true = true |
| 09:20.21 | hp94|angry | "Warfront Name Goes Here GAMETYPE GOES HERE 99 to 99 per team Levels 99 to 99 Average time in que: 99:99 |
| 09:20.23 | hp94|angry | " |
| 09:23.14 | lXl | So, level 102s cant warfront right now? |
| 09:23.25 | hp94|angry | Apparently not |
| 09:23.48 | lXl | Maybe that's why the average queue is over an hour. |
| 09:24.03 | hp94|angry | Also, I disconnect instantly when standing around for about a minute, then the second I press a movement key, DC. |
| 09:24.32 | hp94|angry | and get stuck at 9% when retrying |
| 09:25.48 | hp94|angry | Augh can't log in at all, now im always stuck at 9% |
| 09:26.22 | lXl | Test realm time! |
| 09:51.59 | lXl | Wow, you really have to define includes, a blank source file is really stripped down huh? |
| 11:09.58 | Torhal | Goddamn ponies. |
| 11:10.03 | Torhal | Screw you, hp94. |
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| 18:12.27 | lXl | Hi |
| 18:15.03 | Cairenn | hi |
| 18:51.45 | lXl | Well, this C++ tutorial is really going from square one, it's telling me what && and || mean :\ but I won't miss anything at least. |
| 19:03.54 | Cairenn | This isn't always a bad thing. |
| 19:04.41 | seebs | It can be good to start from square one. :) |
| 19:04.51 | lXl | "this ? that : something" is the same as "this and that or something" |
| 19:05.03 | lXl | In Lua* |
| 19:05.24 | seebs | Yes. |
| 19:05.36 | seebs | But || and && do NOT work the same as lua's or and and. |
| 19:05.40 | lXl | It's just boring rehearing logic with different context. |
| 19:05.51 | seebs | In lua, perl, and ruby, "x || y" gives you x if it's truthy, or y if x wasn't truthy. |
| 19:05.56 | Sling | http://lua-users.org/wiki/TernaryOperator :) |
| 19:05.59 | seebs | In PHP, C, and C++, they give you 0 or 1. |
| 19:06.13 | seebs | wait. I think in C++ they now give bool false or true. |
| 19:09.28 | lXl | Well I gotta go to work :\ |
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| 20:10.10 | lXl-M | what why did i quit |
| 20:10.31 | lXl-M | oh comp must have went to sleep at home lol |
| 20:12.31 | Sling | or it was just stolen by a burglar |
| 20:14.08 | starlon | sleeping on the job *tsk* |
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| 22:28.57 | Lyme | seebs in c/c++ there is no difference between 0 = false, 1 = true.. in many implementations those are the const values. |
| 22:34.35 | seebs | Not quite true. |
| 22:34.48 | seebs | C++ distinguishes between bool and int. 0 is an int, false is a bool. |
| 22:35.08 | seebs | C99 sort of has this distinction as of C99, though it's not used as much, and C logical operators still yield ints. |
| 22:35.24 | seebs | C++ changed it so you could overload on bool vs. int, much the same as it changed character constants to be of type char. |
| 22:37.34 | seebs | So there *is* a difference, as I recall, between bool and int in C++, even though the values are the same. |
| 22:42.35 | Lyme | However, typically the size of a bool is that of an int |
| 22:47.18 | AndChat| | Lol |
| 22:47.21 | AndChat| | Fffuuu |
| 22:48.42 | Lyme | ZorbaTHut did someone exploit whetstones? |
| 22:51.16 | ZorbaTHut | if I knew, I probably couldn't tell you. I don't know though, I've been behind on my email ever since I came back from vacation |
| 22:59.34 | seebs | Bool might or might not be the same *size* as an int, but it's not the same *type*. In C++. |
| 22:59.46 | seebs | (C's stuff for this is... weird and sorta bolted on.) |
| 23:00.42 | ZorbaTHut | C++ tends to have sizeof(bool) == 1, though you can't (and shouldn't) rely on that |
| 23:00.55 | ZorbaTHut | http://codepad.org/soZ0mjJB for example |
| 23:01.13 | seebs | Reason #1 I have never trusted autoconf: It tests for sizeof(char). |
| 23:01.25 | ZorbaTHut | autoconf dates back to some very, very old and broken compilers |
| 23:04.49 | seebs | I *collect* compiler horror stories, and I've never yet heard of a compiler where sizeof(char) wasn't 1. I've seen lots of systems where CHAR_BIT wasn't 8, but... |
| 23:05.00 | seebs | sizeof() has been, since it first existed, "how many chars does it take to hold this". |
| 23:06.27 | ZorbaTHut | I'd actually be surprised if everyone had gotten that right, just due to how incredibly bad some compilers are, but it may never have been done incorrectly |
| 23:06.44 | ZorbaTHut | (ever used a nondeterministic compiler? I have! the results would change depending on the CPU's load at the time) |
| 23:06.56 | seebs | It's far enough out that the correct response to sizeof(char) != 1 is not "set a define for SIZEOF_CHAR", but "abort: We need a compiler". |
| 23:07.01 | seebs | I have! |
| 23:07.28 | ZorbaTHut | took us forever to figure out it |
| 23:07.34 | seebs | Uninitialized variable. Only affected people using the compiler for one specific target (out of 60+ we support) on one specific host. |
| 23:07.47 | ZorbaTHut | "this code doesn't work" "I added a line and it worked again, then took it out and it still worked" "well . . . uh . . ." |
| 23:07.57 | seebs | BTW, best MMO uninitialized variable bug EVER: City of Heroes had actual loot drop differences between characters. |
| 23:08.12 | seebs | Like, you could have a character who got consistently better, or worse, than average drops. |
| 23:08.14 | ZorbaTHut | turned out the compiler would try optimizing for a specific amount of *realtime* |
| 23:08.22 | seebs | ohhhh |
| 23:08.24 | ZorbaTHut | if the computer was under heavy load, it wouldn't spend as much time optimizing |
| 23:08.26 | seebs | That's horrible. |
| 23:08.32 | ZorbaTHut | and the optimizer was slightly buggy, so sometimes you'd just get bad results out |
| 23:08.56 | ZorbaTHut | luckily we discovered it would eventually reach a "yes I am finished" point, so we just set it to optimize for a few hours and it would finish within five seconds. |
| 23:09.14 | seebs | Amusing. If terrifying. |
| 23:09.24 | ZorbaTHut | wasn't there some other MMO that had aggro differences based on the character ID? I seem to remember some players were just intrinsically better tanks |
| 23:09.32 | seebs | That's quite possible. |
| 23:09.41 | seebs | CoH is full of batshit insane stuff. |
| 23:09.51 | ZorbaTHut | also, early in the CoH beta, there was something you could type into the chat in order to see the last chat message that had been spoken globally |
| 23:10.01 | seebs | There are MULTIPLE places in the code where you can show that they are passing strings to a printf-like function unfiltered. |
| 23:10.03 | ZorbaTHut | I just hung out on a rooftop and spammed that to get snatches of other people's conversations. quite fascinating. |
| 23:10.07 | seebs | And at least one of them used to be player-provided code. |
| 23:10.20 | ZorbaTHut | hah, ouch |
| 23:10.34 | seebs | Even know, there's a bug in their auction interface that displays "% A" as a hexadecimal floating point constant. |
| 23:10.40 | seebs | s/know/now/ |
| 23:11.26 | ZorbaTHut | I was about to say "I know some of the senior coders at Cryptic, I can pass that along", then I realized that CoH isn't Cryptic anymore and the people I know just went to found their own company anyway |
| 23:11.27 | ZorbaTHut | so, welp |
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| 23:23.40 | lXl-M | "int cars =-1" 'Having -1 cats makes no sense, so if we...' Neither does having 10 cats. |
| 23:23.45 | lXl-M | cats* |
| 23:33.29 | ZorbaTHut | if they're suggesting "unsigned int", note that I really hate unsigned variables unless you really, really need them :P |
| 23:48.29 | lXl-M | It's more simplistic than that, they were explaining logic any coder would know.. basically like "if cats <0 or cats >3 then print('nobody should have that many cats') .. pseudocode |
| 23:49.40 | lXl-M | I'm on to header files so far.. still not completely new concepts but new context. |
| 23:56.51 | seebs | Things you will ALMOST never need to know: |
| 23:57.03 | seebs | There is actually no requirement that system headers exist as actual files. |
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| 23:57.23 | seebs | As long as a program that does '#include <stdio.h>' works correctly, no one cares how you did it. |
| 23:58.16 | lXl-M | lol.. it all gets changed compiled doesnt it? |
| 23:58.49 | seebs | Maybe. Basically, the obvious way to do it is to have a file which contains, as C code, all the relevant definitions and such. |
| 23:59.12 | seebs | But compiler writers are welcome to just maintain the definitions and types and such and tack them on without any parsing at all when they see that. |
| 23:59.31 | lXl-M | i like to keep things organized |
