| 00:16.09 | Lyme | What does increased client stability and optimizations really mean? |
| 00:17.20 | seebs | Probably pretty much what it sounds like? |
| 00:17.28 | Lyme | but what did they do? |
| 00:19.24 | Lyme | framerate still sucks |
| 00:20.33 | Aurorus | It probably means "have a lower framerate, but less crashes to desktop" |
| 00:20.48 | Lyme | I never crashed before |
| 00:21.00 | Aurorus | *golf clap* :P |
| 00:57.28 | seebs | I've had like one crash ever in rift. |
| 00:57.43 | seebs | I am not sure what the source of divergence is. There's gotta be SOMETHING. |
| 00:57.50 | Cairenn | waves |
| 00:58.04 | seebs | Heya. |
| 00:58.26 | seebs | Today is a special day on which not only was it bill-paying night, but I actually PAID THE BILLS. |
| 00:58.35 | seebs | Rather than using my PDA's snooze to push it out until Tuesday or something. |
| 01:11.59 | Aurorus | hey Cairenn |
| 01:12.05 | Cairenn | hi Aurorus |
| 01:12.06 | Aurorus | lol seebs nice |
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| 02:14.40 | seebs | I got all the cake on WAY too many alts. |
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| 04:36.17 | hp94 | wb aurorus |
| 04:36.23 | Aurorus | cheers :) |
| 04:36.29 | hp94 | you missed a great conversation while you were gone =( |
| 04:36.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:37.24 | hp94 | ya, even people like tmc51, and orix_, and lyme, and especially lxl were talking |
| 04:40.41 | Cairenn | Also, I have some property for sale. |
| 04:43.52 | hp94 | How much property? |
| 04:44.27 | seebs | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.47 | Cairenn | Naw, prime real estate in Florida |
| 04:46.54 | Aurorus | what's "prime" ? |
| 04:46.58 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:46.59 | seebs | Better yet. |
| 04:47.08 | seebs | Well, indivisible, for one thing. |
| 05:32.20 | lXl | Hallo :) |
| 05:34.02 | Cairenn | hi lXl |
| 05:46.24 | lXl | How are things today |
| 05:46.49 | Cairenn | Okay, yourself? |
| 05:47.13 | lXl | Alright. |
| 05:47.20 | lXl | Found the program to install windows 7 lite |
| 05:47.24 | lXl | \o/ |
| 05:52.21 | seebs | lite? |
| 05:53.33 | lXl | Omit windows features. |
| 05:53.43 | lXl | You can chose to not install like games or MSPaint or w/e |
| 05:53.46 | lXl | Or drivers you wont use |
| 05:54.25 | lXl | http://www.rt7lite.com |
| 05:55.19 | TMc51 | YAAAARGH! |
| 05:56.21 | lXl | WAT |
| 05:57.16 | TMc51 | swap the poop deck, or somesuch? |
| 05:57.18 | TMc51 | *swab |
| 06:04.16 | lXl | Yeah, swapping poop decks |
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| 07:45.00 | hp94 | anyone here have any opinions on wikileaks? is it overall good, or bad? |
| 07:45.11 | lXl | You don't know? |
| 07:50.22 | hp94 | I think they've had an overall 'bad' impact. They released things that were illegal to release, and that's bad. |
| 07:50.36 | hp94 | Plus the danger they've put 'innocents' into. |
| 07:50.39 | hp94 | I guess |
| 07:50.54 | lXl | Wikileaks is old news |
| 08:03.41 | industrial | I think governments should be transparent |
| 08:04.45 | industrial | civilians should have the right, as they have for making the government be accountable for what it does, to view government documents |
| 08:05.05 | industrial | all expenditures in a database viewable by the public |
| 08:05.09 | industrial | etc |
| 08:05.26 | industrial | but ofcourse that's never going to happen :) if one government has secrets then they all will |
| 08:06.19 | industrial | If a government has something to hide, alarm bells should be ringing here and there in society |
| 08:07.44 | hp94 | I like the government here in Canada. I like my socialized health care, socialized post office, socialized education, and socialized police forces/military/prisons/etc. |
| 08:08.05 | hp94 | Besides, what's so wrong with keeping secrets? Haven't you ever had a secret you wanted to keep? |
| 08:08.16 | industrial | Same here in the netherlands, but they keep privatizing industries like energy, public transport etc |
| 08:08.43 | industrial | the wrongness is that the government should serve the people, not keep information from them |
| 08:09.21 | industrial | I want to see exactly howmuch your fancyschmancy party costed taxpayers. |
| 08:09.33 | hp94 | Ooooo I hated it when we went from public to private, not only did repairs practically stop, but the prices tripled overnight and now Alberta has like double the average electric bills of anywhere else in the country. |
| 08:12.25 | Cairenn | OMG, don't you even begin to bitch about how hard you have it in Alberta |
| 08:13.51 | hp94 | I'm not bitching. But you know, I'm kinda tired, perhaps I'll go to the hospital and sleep in a bed there for shits and giggles because its cheaper than staying in a hotel room and you don't get free meals in a hotel room either. |
| 08:14.11 | industrial | public transport prices are going up 20% next january |
| 08:14.17 | industrial | plus they are cutting 50% of all bus lines |
| 08:14.44 | industrial | FUCK this right wing government "\ |
| 08:14.47 | industrial | :\* |
| 08:15.08 | industrial | public transport should be free |
| 08:16.32 | hp94 | Really? I live in a decent city here, buses right by my house take me from 1 block from my house all the way to my college on $2 (a toonie =D) or family (any size) for $8. |
| 08:18.42 | hp94 | And students under age 17 ride free every day all day. |
| 08:18.51 | hp94 | But we pay a lot of taxes for all this. |
| 08:20.49 | hp94 | Last year I know my sister, who only made like $30k that annum paid about $4k in taxes, and tons of that went to the military, which you can't "opt out" of paying. Personally, I'd love to be able to say I want to pay an additional X% on the assurance that not a penny I pay goes to the military. |
| 08:21.48 | hp94 | has been K-Lined. |
| 08:29.08 | Dramiel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPOp6q1VFo |
| 08:30.26 | hp94 | ^NSFW |
| 08:30.35 | hp94 | <At workplace a 2:30 AM |
| 08:30.44 | hp94 | v is a cool guy that doesn't afraid of anything |
| 08:32.42 | Cairenn | hp94: what's the problem with the military? |
| 08:34.03 | hp94 | In retrospect, the whole thing is good that it exists. The fact that every day more 'permanent installations' are being built in other countries is bad. Permanent military installations unneccesarilly funnel enormous amounts of money out of Canada. |
| 08:34.29 | Cairenn | That's the government, not the military. Don't confuse the two. |
| 08:35.07 | hp94 | It's like the problem I've heard being described about Mexicans. It wouldn't be so bad for the economy if immigrants came in and spent money where they earned it, but if 85% of the paycheck they make in American is sent to Mexico, and then over a million people repeat the process, it's bad for the economy in America (but great for Mexico...) |
| 08:35.59 | Cairenn | And given just how many military personnel have spent such a significant portion of this summer in your province helping put out fires and sand bag communities - I'm really surprised to hear you bash them ... |
| 08:36.41 | hp94 | Bash them? No, I'm bashing making permanent military installations in other countries. |
| 08:37.00 | Cairenn | And again I say, bash the government for that, not the military personnel |
| 08:37.18 | hp94 | Which, by the way, includes a lot of different possible things, including guantanamo bay-like conditions for some POWs |
| 08:37.28 | hp94 | ^rumor* |
| 08:37.59 | Cairenn | You should know better than to believe everything you hear |
| 08:39.06 | hp94 | I blame wikileaks |
| 08:54.42 | hp94 | More related note: Is there any way to find out what a function in Lua does/is doing in the game right now? |
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| 09:05.40 | hp94 | ....gone since 2:54 =(. Is it only possible to see variable values then? |
| 09:05.48 | hp94 | not what a function does? |
| 09:49.12 | hp94 | night everyone |
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| 21:24.14 | seebs | I propose the following improvement to the addon implementation: |
| 21:24.30 | seebs | Any user who has posted demanding that addons be disincluded will have the addon engine disabled when they're logged in. :) |
| 21:24.41 | seebs | We wouldn't want to push addons they don't want on them. |
| 21:27.29 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:28.14 | seebs | I have found something out: If you are really, really, mad at someone, usually the most effective retaliation is to give them exactly what they ask for. |
| 21:28.25 | HP94 | Or, force them to use addons by making addons so useful that everyone needs them just to play at their top potential |
| 21:28.28 | seebs | The sorts of people who inspire anger are usually the sorts of people who ask for things they don't want. |
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| 21:59.12 | HP94 | Is there any way to tell what a function does in lua? I know you can get the name of it, but can you get offset/move/push/etc like when you're disassembling .exe's? |
| 22:00.20 | seebs | No. |
| 22:00.42 | seebs | There's fundamental reasons for this, but basically, the "function" may or may not even *exist* in a form that is perceptible to the interpreter. |
| 22:01.03 | seebs | Also, how the hell can someone who is at a level of interest such that he could think about disassembling functions be unable to figure out what a tgz file is? |
| 22:03.04 | seebs | You are fascinating to me. You're clearly smart, but you have these weird blind spots where you act in ways I'd otherwise consider stupid. |
| 22:04.12 | seebs | I should point out that most of the people I know who have that trait eventually get a nice formal diagnosis of a "developmental disorder", whether it's ADHD, autism, or both. |
| 22:04.31 | seebs | Generally, "how can a smart guy be so stupid" is non-psychologist speak for "developmental abnormality". |
| 22:07.15 | HP94 | It's been about 4 months now, and you still keep bringing up that I must have some sort of condition to explain my behaviour. Everyone is unique in their own ways, and please stop trying to push that I'm mentally deficient in some way; I'm not. |
| 22:07.48 | HP94 | This is still very much a learning experience, especially programming. There are things I know, and I want to learn the things I don't know. That's why I ask questions. |
| 22:08.37 | Cairenn | Asking questions is a good thing. :) |
| 22:10.15 | seebs | Dude. |
| 22:10.44 | seebs | I think you are interpreting something I'm not saying. |
| 22:10.52 | seebs | I observe the following: |
| 22:11.09 | seebs | 1. You have *consistent*, over a period of months, difficulties with social situations in which people act in ways that surprise you. |
| 22:11.21 | seebs | 2. You have *consistent* problems figuring out what it is reasonable to expect of other people. |
| 22:11.26 | hp94 | Please just hold on for a second |
| 22:11.33 | seebs | 3. You have a *huge* disparity between what you are good at and what you are bad at. |
| 22:11.34 | seebs | No. |
| 22:11.47 | seebs | 4. IF YOU WOULD DEAL WITH THIS INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT YOU WOULD BE MUCH HAPPIER. |
| 22:11.50 | Cairenn | Umm, guys? |
| 22:12.01 | seebs | The goal here is not to prove whether or not you are "deficient", it is to *solve the problem*. |
| 22:12.19 | Cairenn | Let's back off this, okay? |
| 22:12.28 | seebs | I guess. |
| 22:16.00 | TMc51 | awww man, the smell is horrible D: |
| 22:16.20 | TMc51 | dog has gas and even putting her out back hasnt helped any |
| 22:17.53 | hp94 | Ewwwww...... |
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| 22:21.39 | seebs | I give up. I am not patient enough to deal with that. |
| 22:38.36 | hp94 | I'm gonna get going here, have a good afternoon everyone =D |
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| 22:53.54 | Lyme1 | seebs, you know how most people don't like to know the truth.. I think you did that. |
| 22:54.31 | seebs | I am aware of it, but I don't much care. Most of my friends are varying degrees of crazy. We've all found that looking it straight on helps. |
| 22:55.05 | Lyme1 | ahh, you're friends with mostly gamers I'd wager |
| 22:55.06 | seebs | I'm a particularly extreme case, just because I'm *very* good at the things I'm good at, and *very* bad at the things I'm bad at, but even more conventional stuff... |
| 22:55.21 | seebs | Well, sorta. I end up being an autism magnet. |
| 22:55.27 | seebs | And also a gender dysphoria magnet. |
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| 22:55.43 | seebs | The four people I talk to most are all autistic and all transgendered. It's sort of a statistical anomaly. :) |
| 22:56.12 | lyme | gender dysphoria.. interesting |
| 22:56.26 | lyme | what can I say, life happens |
| 22:56.34 | seebs | Just knowing why I was having trouble with social things has helped a TON with dealing with them. |
| 22:56.47 | seebs | I still have social blind spots, but I know when to say "hang on, I am probably missing a social rule here". |
| 22:56.57 | lyme | most technical people have issues with social skills |
| 22:57.11 | lyme | the more technical they are, the worse the social skills. |
| 22:57.39 | seebs | Some correlation, certainly. Although there's exceptions. My direct manager is a very good programmer and also very good at social things. |
| 22:57.47 | seebs | I'm sporadically good socially. |
| 22:57.58 | seebs | Just not reliably enough to want to make a living at it. :) |
| 22:58.02 | lyme | There are a few exceptions to the rule |
| 22:58.12 | seebs | Also... A big part of it isn't ability or inability, so much as priorities. |
| 22:58.27 | seebs | I don't have the instinct that makes hurting people unpleasant, I just think it's good to avoid hurting people. |
| 22:58.40 | seebs | But I can do it without it being a big deal emotionally because I don't have any empathy. |
| 22:58.56 | Cairenn | Which is where you were crossing the line with him, which is why I asked you to back off. |
| 22:58.59 | seebs | I am, as a result, "ruthlessly nice". I'll act in ways that offer people benefits, but I won't always be very considerate about doing it. |
| 22:59.01 | lyme | I wouldn't characterize it as either actually, I'd rather attribute it to not having the need to function in "normal" social settings |
| 22:59.32 | seebs | The inability comes first, at least for the autistics. I don't have the wiring people rely on for social things. |
| 22:59.42 | seebs | So I gravitate towards settings where people put up with that. :) |
| 23:01.03 | seebs | I have often found that being truthful even when it's "rude" offers a lot of long-term benefits in exchange for short-term costs. |
| 23:01.12 | lyme | In my opinion to fit into a "normal" social group, you have to soften the truth often, almost to the level of general lying. While most technical simply tell it as it is. |
| 23:01.26 | seebs | I had a friend who was super fragile emotionally, so people walked on eggshells around her. I just let her cry when she didn't like things. |
| 23:01.34 | lyme | The problem is, that people really don't want to know the truth. |
| 23:01.44 | seebs | This seemed really annoying, but then one day, she did something cool, and I complimented her, and she was utterly shocked. |
| 23:01.52 | seebs | It was the first time she'd ever had reason to *believe* a compliment. |
| 23:02.20 | seebs | This seemed to be useful, and now she's fine. |
| 23:03.15 | lyme | hp seems to be somewhat of a special snowflake.. in the context of a non-technical guy trying to climb up a vertical learning curve. |
| 23:04.00 | seebs | A lot of people who start from the script kiddie side of things end up with this weird patchwork knowledge of how things work. |
| 23:04.08 | seebs | Leads to a lot of hilarity. |
| 23:04.30 | lyme | I applaud him for trying, but there are huge gaps compared to most who have been doing it for years. |
| 23:04.58 | seebs | Dunning-Kruger effect: Best thing EVER to have a name for. |
| 23:06.39 | lyme | I prefer hanlon's razor |
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| 23:06.51 | lXl-M | hiiiiiiiii |
| 23:06.55 | seebs | Heyo. |
| 23:07.07 | lyme | heya ixi |
| 23:07.27 | lyme | question for you, what is the background to your name? |
| 23:07.43 | lXl-M | i get to set up racks today \o/ |
| 23:07.52 | lyme | like boobs? |
| 23:07.57 | seebs | Like 19"? |
| 23:08.03 | seebs | Antlers? |
| 23:08.10 | lyme | 19" boobs with antlers? ouch |
| 23:08.59 | seebs | ... |
| 23:09.02 | seebs | You HAD to say it |
| 23:09.09 | seebs | now, thanks to rule 34, there's porn of it. Somewhere. |
| 23:09.11 | lXl-M | wikipedia : dayg http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagaz |
| 23:09.23 | lXl-M | ok ignore first part |
| 23:09.27 | lXl-M | dag rune |
| 23:09.33 | seebs | Ahh! |
| 23:09.35 | lXl-M | server racks |
| 23:09.37 | seebs | Would never have guessed. |
| 23:09.52 | lXl-M | and the -M cause im on a phone |
| 23:09.55 | lyme | did you know ixim means maize in mayan. |
| 23:09.57 | seebs | Trivia point, server racks and music racks are usually pretty similar hardware, and can sub for each other in an emergency. |
| 23:10.07 | lXl-M | ixi-mobile |
| 23:10.18 | lXl-M | they are the same hardware |
| 23:10.27 | lyme | you're really a child of the corn, arn't you! |
| 23:10.51 | lXl-M | a 'u' is just a standardized slot heighth |
| 23:11.23 | lXl-M | height.. |
| 23:12.29 | seebs | Yeah. Although computer racks are often deeper and provide rear supports, music racks very rarely do. |
| 23:13.28 | lXl-M | music and computer generally refer to the same hardware now anyway.. sadly |
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| 23:20.22 | lyme | http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2011/07/4e299644f0bdd.jpg |
| 23:21.15 | lXl-M | :{ |
| 23:22.19 | lyme | http://static.someecards.com/someecards/images/feed_assets/4dada1d03ce87.jpg |
| 23:24.08 | lXl-M | lulz |
| 23:24.16 | lXl-M | i like the oregon trail one |
| 23:24.53 | lXl-M | i hate how my left hand always feels like a noob at any task i give it. like using a screw driver.. wtf |
| 23:25.52 | lXl-M | why should i have to live my life with 1.5 hands |
| 23:26.29 | lyme | my snowman! http://static.someecards.com/someecards/images/feed_assets/4d5950624d071.jpg |
| 23:27.03 | lXl-M | lol |
| 23:30.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:33.57 | lyme | http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2011/08/4e3c27aa64fb5.jpg |
| 23:35.09 | seebs | Heh. Outraged poster on CoH forums demanding that, as soon as servers fail, devs post explaining what went wrong and how long it will take to fix. *sigh* |
| 23:35.38 | lyme | You broke it, will not be fixed until you unbreak it |
| 23:35.47 | Cairenn | rolls her eyes |
| 23:37.44 | *** join/#riftuidev Torhal|work (~torhal_wo@173-14-207-161-huntsville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:37.44 | *** mode/#riftuidev [+v Torhal|work] by ChanServ |
| 23:39.08 | lXl-M | um.. are they paying the thousands a month for the server upkeep? |
| 23:40.23 | lyme | No, usually just $15 a month :p |
| 23:40.46 | lXl-M | they have no right to bitch lol |
| 23:41.01 | lXl-M | they can take a server down when they please.. tos |
| 23:42.32 | lXl-M | i like rift.. people dont rage that bad about stuff |
