IRC log for #riftuidev on 20110825

00:27.01Slingits on apple.com so no lies :p
00:27.09Slingunless very elaborate defacing
00:27.27Slingbut it was to be expected, he's not really physically fit to lead the worlds most valuable company
00:28.34Slingalso, lol http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=AAPL
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00:37.19hp94lol
00:55.02seebsRT: "Steve Jobs' text was meant to say: "I REIGN as CEO of Apple" Damn
00:55.03seebsyou Autocorrect!"
01:09.00hp94hehe
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02:21.00hp94well, bungie has my resume
02:21.04hp94its allllll up to luck now
02:43.21Cairenn|afkAurorus: Wow
02:45.45hp94eh, it was going to happen any day now anyways
02:59.17hp94wb cairenn
02:59.22Cairennthanks hp94
02:59.45hp94np cairenn!
03:00.41Aurorushp94: no such thing as luck ;)
03:00.47AurorusRemember - it's not over until you win.
03:00.59hp94luck: submitting a slightly revised resume every day until hired
03:01.30Aurorusjust finished interviewing someone
03:01.38hp94What did you learn?
03:04.05Aurorusabout the person?
03:09.39hp94right
03:10.41CairennErrr, isn't that a rather inappropriate thing to ask, or answer?
03:12.43CairennI know if I went to a job interview, I'd not be amused to discover that the interviewer went and told some random uninvolved third person about it
03:13.03CairennViolation of privacy, and frankly, noyb
03:13.27Cairennactually, that isn't strong enough
03:13.30Cairennnoydb
03:14.23hp94Job interview? I thought like a news interview.
03:14.29hp94Like, television/etc.
03:14.45CairennAh
03:15.01CairennI presumed job, since you guys were talking about you job hunting
03:15.30Cairennin context, job interview made sense
03:16.37hp94If it's a job interview I'd like to know if aurorus asked trick questions =D
03:16.45Cairennhehehe
03:17.04Aurorusit was a job interview :P
03:17.15hp94"Why do you think manhole covers are round?"
03:17.39AurorusA. Because they have nothing to do with coding or developing software.
03:17.53AurorusI think those questions are silly, tbh
03:17.55TMc51because they are
03:18.33seebsThey can be useful, except they can't once people know about them.
03:18.34TMc51my motto: ask a stupid question, get a stupid enswer.
03:18.39hp94I agree, it's pretty much a determination of whether or not they googled 'job interview trick questions' or not.
03:18.46TMc51*answer
03:18.58hp94my motto: There's no such things as stupid questions, only stupid people.
03:19.36TMc51that one's just too easy =(
03:19.55Aurorusseebs: That's true, however I think for a programmer, the most important skill is being able to find the answer. For that question, the best answer, imo, is "Hit up Google"
03:20.18AurorusBeing able to look up the API, the tutorials, documentations, stackoverflow questions, etc
03:20.26AurorusLook at Expertsxchange via Google :P
03:20.29AurorusThat kind of stuff
03:21.22CairennOften, knowing where or how to find the answer is much more important than actually knowing the answer
03:22.21CairennFor more than just programmers
03:22.34AurorusIt's a life skill in general, no?
03:22.38CairennAye
03:22.59seebsWell, looking things up, yeah, but... "creative" thinking is super valuable.  You just can't test for it with predefined questions.
03:24.04seebsI'm *very* "creative".  Loosely speaking.  The thing being that I have a TON of ideas, and some of them aren't awful.
03:24.16seebsThe swimming pool's been awesome, for instance.
03:24.46TMc51Best test of creative problem solving: Get a R.A.T. 7 mouse, any random Linux OS, and then try getting them to play nice. =P
03:25.34AurorusThe other part of creative problem solving is that it's powered by the subconsious and that is something that operates on its own, stress-free, daydreaming time.
03:25.48AurorusYou can't test or harness that power in an interview situation
03:25.49TMc51and obviously, find the answer on your own WITHOUT the internet as help.
03:26.01TMc51true
04:08.01hp94I'm debating whether or not I should fly to Washington if I get a job interview there... It might be worth it in the end
04:12.20hp94Device Driver Failure whyyyyy meeeeeeeee
04:12.31hp94Op nvm, just a stutter
04:31.06Aurorushp94: "What can I do to convince you that I'm the best person for this job?" is a great way to get an understanding of what the job needs. It's also a great way to find out early on if you are just not going to fit the cut at that time.
04:36.11hp94"So, Chris, what are some of your strengths and weaknesses?" "Well, I'm strong against fire and electrical types, but weak against earth and water types."
04:36.35hp94Thanks aurorus =) Just caught that
04:36.50Auroruslol hp94
04:36.56Cairennlol
05:12.44lXl\o/
05:15.11hp94brb, gonna boot my own special-swiss-cheese ubuntu
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05:26.20hp94FAT32 [h0,1]: no prefix 'start' found
05:26.21hp94=(
05:26.58Orixl2grub :P
05:30.32lXlI got to troubleshoot a lot of grub and config files tonight on redhat
05:32.55Aurorusl2usewindows
05:32.55Aurorus:P
05:33.19lXlWindows can be way worse..
05:34.47hp94I do use windows
05:34.50hp94and ubuntu
05:35.34hp94and backtrack, slackware, fedora, solaris, debian, and mandriva
05:35.48lXlI'd like to try my hand at this http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
05:36.22Auroruslol: "Why would I want an LFS system?
05:36.22AurorusMany wonder why they should go through the hassle of building a Linux system from scratch when they could just download an existing Linux distribution."
05:36.28hp94and macOS, and windows CE, and XNA based OS (xbox), can't remember what its called though... just remember programming XNA.
05:36.36AurorusI wonder why anyone would go through the hassle of downloading a Linux distribution :-/
05:37.16lXlBecause they expect it to also be a hassle. ;)
05:37.23hp94personally, when I want an OS, I create it from scratch, and I program in binairy
05:38.29AurorusWhen I have to do serious programming, I use a butterfly
05:40.15hp94lol
05:43.02Cairennawwww, flutterbys!
05:44.22hp94Cairenn: Fluttershy?
05:44.32Cairennnot shy, by
05:45.03hp94GOOGLE IT AND BE EDUMACATED
05:45.15hp94also, I think I fixed my errors, so brb, rebooting
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05:53.51hp94Error: No 'WUBILDR' found
05:53.52hp94=(
05:54.05Cairennugh
05:54.21lXlHp, do you need my notes from today?
05:55.04hp94Notes?
05:55.12lXlFrom linuxing
05:55.48hp94Sure =D
05:55.57lXlI don't need to take notes :D
05:58.07AurorusWas that just an e-slap? :P
05:58.13lXlYes
05:58.16AurorusI sense an inflated level of satisfaction in the room :P
05:58.40hp94I sense failure... I should go shower.
05:58.43hp94smell*
05:58.58AurorusWash the guilt away....eh?
06:00.22lXlI just remembered I have curry at work.
06:03.25hp94Curry? Sounds like a unix spinoff.
06:03.31hp94Or a seinfield spinoff.
06:03.33lXlNo.
06:03.53hp94Simpsons spinoff?
06:04.05lXlhttp://www.linuxfromscratch.org
06:04.11lXlOops
06:04.14lXlhttp://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1555/images/1555_MEDIUM.jpg
06:04.20lXlIt's more of a "hurt yer bum" dish
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06:07.04hp94That's what my unix looks like too.
06:28.42AurorusSo, you addon developers all ready for the herd of people to start using addons?
06:28.58hp94lol
06:28.59hp94'herd'
06:29.01AurorusAlso, Cairenn, what will you do about attempts to create / replicate GearScore?
06:29.12Cairennnot a damn thing
06:29.23hp94MURDER
06:29.24Aurorusequality for all addonsS?
06:29.26Aurorusaddons*
06:29.26CairennThat's entirely up to Trion to decide, not me
06:29.36CairennNo, I wouldn't go so far as to say that
06:29.38lXlWhy wouldnt Gearscore be allowed on any MMOI site?
06:29.48CairennWe've refused stuff before
06:29.49lXlIt doesn't generally breach rules, it's an inspect dump.
06:29.57lXlLike Gearscore Breaker? /giggle
06:30.08Auroruswhat that's addon, lXl ?
06:30.23lXlIt populated gearscore with false data, which basically was borderline against ToS
06:30.42Auroruswhy was that against ToS?
06:30.44lXlSince you were destructively forcing changes to user addon var data
06:30.47Aurorusit's one addon against another?
06:30.51CairennYup
06:30.57Aurorusis that against ToS?
06:30.59lXlIt was malicious
06:31.07Aurorusahh, I see
06:31.19lXlIf you downloaded an addon that wiped your prefs that wouldn't be allowed, this is wiping addon prefs.
06:31.39lXlIt's intentional, if it was a bug it might have passed but the addon was "gearscore breaker" and it falsly populated your data
06:31.39CairennUmmm, 'scuse me?
06:31.58lXl?
06:31.59seebsI thought gearscore would be horrible, but then I decided to think about how to use it to get things I wanted.
06:32.06CairennIt wasn't against the ToU, Blizz never said a word about it
06:32.08Cairennhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18332-FakeMyGearScore.html
06:32.11Cairennis another one
06:32.19lXlThat one just reported your gearscore
06:32.31lXlAs I said it was pretty borderline.
06:32.47seebsSo I avoided groups which advertised a GS requirement, and suddenly the quality of my pug experiences improved dramatically.
06:32.52lXlGearscore Breaker wormed its data through exploiting Gearscores propagation
06:33.28lXlI always avoided pugs for the most part, I'd run with a usual bunch and we'd get one or two pugs tops, always DPS
06:33.42CairennAnyway, back to what Aurorus asked - yes, we will allow a GearScore type addon on the site if one is made, providing Trion doesn't declare it unacceptable
06:33.58AurorusFair enough, Cairenn, ty :)
06:44.16hp94I'm not sure what addons I'm going to make...
06:44.23hp94I mean, there's practically no API
06:44.26lXlPut Linux in Rift
06:44.40hp94I could, technically.
06:44.47hp94But I think it would be hacking on some level.
06:44.51hp94Seeing as it requires... hacking.
06:44.57lXlIn Lua
06:45.11hp94??
06:48.12hp94Wait, so my windows would be running rift would be running lua would be running linux... which would run more applications?
06:48.17hp94SOFTWARECEPTION
06:48.42seebsYou are about 30 years to late for the vmunix.el joke.
06:54.20lXlYo dawg, I heard you like Rift so I put Linux in your Rift so you can Linux while you Rift
07:00.04hp94Not how that works, but close =D
07:00.57AurorusRight, I think I'm going to head off
07:01.18hp94Have a good night =)
07:01.35AurorusToday has had just the right amount of asterisks for a candle, some soothing music and a bottle of scotch
07:01.48Cairennawww
07:01.52lXl*********************
07:01.53Cairennhugs Aurorus
07:01.57CairennSweet dreams
07:02.01AurorusThanks :)
07:02.01lXlNITES
07:02.25lXlThis is weird. I use Linux to build a Linux system from the ground up.
07:02.27AurorusI want to believe that the nightmare is over, but I think the reality is that it is just beginning
07:02.34lXlI have Linux why I'm making Linux???
07:02.35Aurorusanyway - see you all later :)
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07:07.12lXlActually, this is quite fun.
07:07.26lXlIf you like Linux this does like, everything.
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08:47.43hp94tmc51, its 3 am, what are you still doing awake?
08:47.55lXlWhat are YOU Doing still awake
08:48.06TMc51it's quarter to 5 here
08:48.08lXlDear lord doing make installs is slow on virtualbox
08:48.31lXlBut Cairenn said it's always morning when a user joins.
08:48.39Cairenn~ugt
08:48.39purli heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
08:48.51lXl:)
08:58.49hp94arg, wtf is a .tgz file
08:59.11TMc51its a tar file
08:59.15Cairenn^^
08:59.23lXl..............
08:59.34TMc51get 7zip to open it
08:59.34Cairennit's basically tar.gz
08:59.42Cairenn^^, again
08:59.51lXlOr use Linux like a baws.
09:00.07TMc51nah, tri-boot like a BAWS
09:00.29TMc51Win 7 X64, PC-BSD, Sabayon
09:04.24hp94tri boot? I only dodecaoptoctogram-boot (20800 sided figure)
09:04.34hp94its a lot of OSs
09:04.43lXlHP can google
09:04.52hp94but I need it to run my 500,000,250,000 lua environments in RIFT
09:05.23lXlYou run Lua in Rift then you run the OS in Lua
09:05.26lXlDoing it wrong.
09:05.30hp94how then
09:05.31hp94how
09:05.33hp94tell me
09:05.47lXlWrite the OS in Lua then make it an addon.
09:06.18hp94but that's a limited environment, no access to all the api
09:06.23lXlhttp://outofhanwell.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/khoros-a-lua-operating-system/
09:06.23hp94IE: http requests
09:06.25lXlWell here is a start
09:06.27hp94streamwriter-esque
09:07.31hp94etc
09:15.15hp94crap, theres no sqlninja support for windows =(
09:15.29lXlAre there real ninjas?
09:17.24hp94no just silent memory leaks
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19:35.50SunspotsIt's sad that the defaul UI isn't in LUA, then we wouldn't have to rewrite everything just to be able to tweak it slightly
19:36.39SunspotsLike the raid frames - I love them but I'd like the group members horizontally rather than vertically
20:11.02nicoli_sSunspots:yeah it blows, and they havent come out and said whether we will ever be able to interact/overwrite the existing ui
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21:50.52hp94Can anyone get rid of the announcement box in RIFT?
21:52.18hp94the button greys out permanently if you press anything instead of clicking 'close'
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22:40.58SunspotsRelogging usually works
22:44.52hp94ya...
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22:49.52AurorusMorning
22:50.00Slingnight
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