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| 00:02.41 | lXl | Car belts. |
| 00:02.47 | lXl | (30 minutes later) |
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| 00:11.53 | hp94 | I've been watching some of the RIFT behind the scenes videos |
| 00:11.58 | hp94 | and all the developers are clickers |
| 00:12.07 | hp94 | and rogues |
| 00:12.09 | hp94 | and its so lol |
| 00:22.16 | Kraps | pegasuses |
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| 00:27.24 | lXl | Maybe they click cause they heal? |
| 00:27.34 | lXl | Or they have been typing for so long that they want to click something for a change. |
| 00:28.49 | Cairenn | I'm a combination player, I both click and hotkey |
| 00:29.06 | hp94 | Kraps? |
| 00:29.34 | Kraps | hp94: the correct term is pegusi |
| 00:30.01 | hp94 | I know, why did you say pegasuses though? |
| 00:30.19 | Kraps | because i could |
| 00:31.09 | hp94 | I hate it when I start typing out this thought I have but then potato. |
| 00:31.46 | Kraps | you purposely a word there |
| 00:32.54 | hp94 | I accidentally all the fries. |
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| 00:42.13 | hp94 | ZorbaBeta : Why didn't you keep the alpha character creation UI? That looks sooooo much prettier. |
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| 00:52.08 | hp94 | WOW |
| 00:52.12 | hp94 | 3.5gig patch? |
| 00:52.14 | hp94 | since when/> |
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| 01:03.29 | hp94 | Rift keeps telling me to run the 'recover' option |
| 01:03.32 | hp94 | I keep running it |
| 01:03.38 | hp94 | but Rift still complains |
| 01:03.48 | hp94 | I think it might be my swish cheese DLLs |
| 01:05.04 | Aurorus | nah, Rift randomly complains for me as well |
| 01:05.25 | Aurorus | I think they've got sand in the gears of the method that detects whether or not Rift needs recovery |
| 01:07.01 | seebs | Supposedly it "got fixed" recently, and I haven't had trouble with it in a while. |
| 01:08.16 | Orix | what did you do to your dlls? |
| 01:10.03 | hp94 | Horrible things. |
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| 02:19.47 | lXl | So Rift is somewhat generic, but I think I prefer it to ToR. |
| 02:21.21 | lXl | Especially with what they have planned. |
| 02:31.45 | Cairenn | night all |
| 02:31.52 | lXl | Morning :) |
| 02:33.21 | Kraps | lXl: whats planned |
| 02:33.43 | lXl | IDK they had like a PvP zone and some mission sounding content. |
| 02:34.21 | Myrroddin | zorba, are you available? |
| 02:34.28 | lXl | I am! \o/ |
| 02:34.44 | Myrroddin | woohooo lxl! |
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| 04:02.42 | hp94 | hey everyone |
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| 04:23.28 | hp94 | Zorbabeta, any chance in hell of Trion hiring me if I get a work visa? |
| 04:29.22 | hp94 | sends an email * |
| 04:29.27 | hp94 | Well, lookin' good regardless =D |
| 04:35.36 | seebs | A work visa? |
| 04:43.14 | Aurorus | He's Canadian, seebs |
| 04:43.30 | seebs | Ohh. |
| 05:09.29 | Lyme | They are hiring a crapton of people http://www.trionworlds.com/en/careers/ |
| 05:11.46 | seebs | Yah. |
| 05:13.51 | Aurorus | Lyme: is that a metric crapton or imperial crapton? |
| 05:14.33 | hp94 | approximately one me |
| 05:15.21 | seebs | Oh, man, don't get me started on units. |
| 05:15.30 | seebs | It's not just that a metric crapton is a different size from an imperial crapton. |
| 05:15.37 | hp94 | nope |
| 05:15.40 | seebs | It turns out, the size difference for a flaming crapton is *different*. |
| 05:15.40 | hp94 | they are both equal to me |
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| 05:16.11 | seebs | So a metric crapton is roughly 1.2 imperial craptons, a flaming imperial crapton is roughly 1.1 imperial craptons, and a flaming metric crapton is 1.63 imperial craptons. |
| 05:16.45 | seebs | And that assumes that the imperial crapton is really a troy crapton, not a fluid crapton. |
| 05:17.20 | Aurorus | o.O |
| 05:17.28 | Aurorus | edges away carefully |
| 05:20.33 | hp94 | don't assume |
| 05:21.05 | seebs | You know what you do when you ASSUME, don't you? |
| 05:21.12 | seebs | You draw a REASONABLE INFERENCE based on PAST OBSERVATIONS. |
| 05:21.42 | hp94 | My response: |
| 05:21.54 | hp94 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvfcnpJRf0Q&ob=av3e |
| 05:24.26 | hp94 | "Payment Fraud Analyst" ? |
| 05:24.29 | hp94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.53 | seebs | hmph |
| 05:25.02 | seebs | only some of these fluorescent highlighters actually fluoresce. |
| 05:25.13 | hp94 | zing! |
| 05:27.08 | hp94 | Oh hey: Tools Programmer, UI Programmer - Not only have I swiss cheesed DLLs, but I've also made UIs in Lua before. |
| 05:27.11 | hp94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.49 | hp94 | UI Artist too |
| 05:27.50 | hp94 | wow |
| 05:28.42 | Aurorus | hp94: You do realise you'll be working on www.defiance.com and not Rift ? |
| 05:29.17 | hp94 | OOOO I remember reading about that! |
| 05:29.29 | hp94 | Innovative EVERYTHING |
| 05:29.43 | hp94 | Note to self: Handle dlls VERRRRRY carefully.... |
| 05:30.33 | Aurorus | what about just leaving them alone? ;) |
| 05:30.57 | hp94 | Never crossed my mind. |
| 05:31.05 | hp94 | "Opens up notepad" |
| 05:34.34 | seebs | Oooh, a bat. |
| 05:34.55 | seebs | I have stopped trying to figure out how to get rid of bats, if I wait they go away. Either they find their way back out or they find a cat. |
| 05:35.03 | seebs | Night all. |
| 05:35.43 | hp94 | night |
| 05:36.40 | Aurorus | cya mate |
| 06:12.05 | hp94 | I wonder if Trion would even give me a chance at getting hired. |
| 06:13.55 | Aurorus | One on hand, hp94, do you think they're about to open up their internal company secrets to someone they had to threaten with the law? On the other hand, if you can find someone influential (HR-kind of influential) inside Trion, then maybe you'll stand a chance. |
| 06:14.12 | hp94 | HR? |
| 06:14.16 | Aurorus | human resources |
| 06:14.18 | hp94 | They never threatened me |
| 06:14.19 | hp94 | technically |
| 06:14.44 | Aurorus | it's not about technicalities, it's whether or not people like you. |
| 06:14.47 | hp94 | points at ZorbaBeta * |
| 06:15.03 | Aurorus | Even if you are the most talented programmer on earth, if people don't like you, they'll mostly likely not hire you |
| 06:15.18 | Aurorus | Attitude is about 99% of the reason people are hired |
| 06:15.39 | Aurorus | How you interact with your future bosses (during the interview), how your experience and past speaks about you |
| 06:15.42 | hp94 | Hmm, I've heard that before. |
| 06:16.04 | hp94 | I just hope I can make it to the interview process (Even if it takes a flight down to california). |
| 06:16.13 | Aurorus | Don't hope - make it happen |
| 06:16.37 | hp94 | Well, I could go down to the employment office and ask for help with my resume... |
| 06:16.39 | Aurorus | You don't hope you can steer around an iceberg. You make actions |
| 06:16.47 | Aurorus | That would be a great start |
| 06:17.21 | Aurorus | Ask Zorba if he can put you in touch with someone from HR that can help match your skills with any available employment positions |
| 06:17.53 | Aurorus | Ask them what the best way to get hired at Trion would be |
| 06:19.02 | hp94 | Normally when it comes down to taking opportunity when its available, I either take it wayyy to slow or don't go for it because I hate that feeling of failure. |
| 06:19.50 | hp94 | But since I understand what I'm doing I've been able to start going places, for instance, actually going for Bioware as opposed to just sticking with working as a "Sandwich Artist" was a step for me. |
| 06:19.58 | Aurorus | I know what you mean mate - for me, it's not over until I succeed. If I've failed now, it means it's not over yet. |
| 06:20.59 | Aurorus | Some days you go forward two steps, one step back, other days you go forward one step and take two steps back - either way, keep walking, keep doing and don't accept failure - it's not over until you win. |
| 06:22.07 | hp94 | Well, sometimes when I go 'slow' with what im doing I'm just waiting for it to go away while looking like I'm not bothered/doing anything to keep the situation the same. |
| 06:22.34 | Aurorus | When Hannibal was trying to storm Rome (the ancient equivalent of taking on the U.S. of A in armed combat), he was met with the Alps - huge mountains surrounding italy. He said to his lieutenants - "Either find a way, or make a way to get to the other side" |
| 06:24.28 | Aurorus | Prepare yourself, mentally ("I will not give up until I achieve X"), resource yourself (learn all about the Trion hiring process, the business units, the right people who make hiring decisions for what you want) and above all, if you are ultimately turned down from Trion, it's not over until you win. Pursue another dev shop. |
| 06:24.56 | Aurorus | Keep an eye out on Trion - the people who said no to hiring you may leave the company and others take their place. Contact the new people and encourage them to consider you. |
| 06:25.15 | Aurorus | It's all about relationships you build with people |
| 06:25.29 | Aurorus | Which is why it's 100% important not to get attention of their Legal team ;) |
| 06:25.37 | hp94 | One thing that definately rings way more true than I thought before is it's who you know, not what you know. |
| 06:26.20 | Aurorus | The next step to that statement, then, is to start knowing the right people |
| 06:26.54 | Aurorus | Find a way to, professionally , get introduced to them |
| 06:29.12 | hp94 | Probably going to have to fly down to California then =(. I'll have to talk to a few people as well before I make any decisions (But I do like vacations). |
| 06:30.10 | Aurorus | hp94: Before everything - make a plan and stick to that plan. Because when the crap hits the fan and you don't want to do anything, having a plan makes it easier to just keep going. You will be less likely to look for ways to get out of having to keep following the plan. |
| 06:30.44 | Aurorus | Have a plan to succeed. Be prepared to win. |
| 06:31.46 | hp94 | Current Plan: Try Bioware, if not, try acrodex, if not, try Malo Ingram Software Technologies, if not, try rocket fuel games, if not, try Bungie, if not, try Trion, if not, stare inside windows at Blizzards Calif. office until someone notices, then scamper away. |
| 06:32.07 | hp94 | Even though Trion should be higher on the list, it's location =( |
| 06:32.30 | Aurorus | Ok, for each "Try", make a sub plan that involves people to contact, dates and times to contact them by, what opportunities exist on their site, etc |
| 06:33.16 | hp94 | Alright |
| 06:34.13 | TMc51 | the only chance I can see of you getting a job with any of those companies on your list would be a janitor position. Go to school, and think about a job after you get a degree, |
| 06:34.44 | Aurorus | ohh, are you still in school hp94? |
| 06:34.56 | hp94 | Finishing my degree in 4 more months |
| 06:35.30 | Aurorus | ahh, great - perfect time to start looking then |
| 06:35.44 | Aurorus | Ideally, you should be able to step out of your degree and straight into a job |
| 06:36.09 | Aurorus | If you can wrangle that, then awesome - be up front with your interview contacts - "I'm finishing my degree in four months and then I'm 100% keen to start" |
| 06:36.33 | Aurorus | I started interviewing six months before I finished my Business degree and had a job lined up when I left uni |
| 06:36.46 | TMc51 | if thats the case, then you need to start acting like it, rather than a 12yr old script kiddy. Nobody will ever in their right minds hire you without a good bit of change on your part. |
| 06:37.49 | hp94 | With Bioware, they offered quite a few options for people who are even still in school. One time, no joke, someone walked in to our classroom from Bioware and asked about which students were doing well and looking at Bioware for opportunities. The teacher said after that they've hired people in the classroom on visits like that. |
| 06:38.34 | hp94 | tmc51: If there was anyone out there to help me, I would LOVE to meet them. Right now it's always working with people who are pretty much on the same level as me computers wise. |
| 06:59.05 | hp94 | script kiddy? |
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| 07:34.57 | hp94 | Skills |
| 07:35.03 | hp94 | Hey dramiel =D |
| 07:35.24 | Dramiel | morning |
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| 11:47.56 | hylax | petskills aren't included in the rift ability dump, right? |
| 11:52.23 | hylax | that's the only thing missing from my macro translator :( |
| 13:31.07 | industrial | translator? |
| 13:31.09 | industrial | do tell |
| 13:31.56 | industrial | recently found out about how RIFT macro's work, and now has a 'herp' and 'derp' macro for his Paragon |
| 13:32.11 | industrial | a buildup and dump :D |
| 13:33.03 | industrial | I also run an AutoHotKey script that sends the keystroke of the key you are pressing until you stop holding the key, to prevent me getting a wrist injury :p |
| 13:33.11 | industrial | I should github that. .. |
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| 18:49.27 | industrial | RB/Ch is that ok for leveling? |
| 18:49.51 | industrial | I played riftblade up to level 12 then switched to paragon |
| 18:49.57 | industrial | no it was 15, i got Earth Burst |
| 18:50.12 | industrial | but I was very low on power all the time |
| 18:50.53 | industrial | can Grim Satisfaction (+2/4/6 power on crits) cover for that? |
| 18:50.57 | industrial | (from Champion) |
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| 18:52.51 | industrial | Maybe I should be trying Shaman :| im already 20 tho |
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| 21:19.36 | hp94 | good afternoon everyone |
| 21:19.41 | lXl | Hello |
| 21:19.55 | hp94 | whats up? |
| 21:20.08 | lXl | Your name has HP in it, can I blame you for my touchpad order being cancelled? |
| 21:20.10 | nicoli_s | watching GW2 videos and trying to work with google maps |
| 21:20.18 | lXl | Seriuosly.. F IIS |
| 21:20.32 | nicoli_s | lXl:whats it doing?\ |
| 21:21.09 | lXl | All the sites selling touchpads used IIS/asp and they all crashed when people tried to buy them. I got a confirmation email for my order from CDW but when I check my account there's no order. My order number doesn't work. |
| 21:21.26 | nicoli_s | well thats not IIS's fault, just shitty sites |
| 21:21.28 | lXl | HP.com had major cart issues Friday due to app error. |
| 21:21.57 | lXl | Not IIS but all the sites that messed up were Microsoft based :P |
| 21:23.52 | Cairenn | Well, that aught to get me a good response. I just told the guy to "put away your e-peen, no one is impressed" |
| 21:24.01 | lXl | ? |
| 21:24.49 | Cairenn | http://forums.riftgame.com/alpha-addon-api-development/245013-addons-1-5-a.html |
| 21:25.32 | lXl | I like the guy that thinks there will be auto dispell addons |
| 21:25.50 | lXl | Because nobody takes advantage of the macro fallthrough logic to automate their rotations :\ |
| 21:25.52 | hp94 | lxl: You can blame me if you want, but I hope you know it IS my fault. |
| 21:26.04 | lXl | You hacked them didnt you |
| 21:26.27 | hp94 | If I pull the trigger on a gun, is it my fault, or is it the bullets? |
| 21:26.33 | hp94 | ^Just kidding |
| 21:26.44 | nicoli_s | lol i love how he mentions lotro, arent the lotro addons purely cosmetic? |
| 21:26.46 | hp94 | And I love HP, i used to have an hp computer |
| 21:26.47 | hp94 | or something |
| 21:26.56 | hp94 | wait, I think I still have it... |
| 21:27.26 | Orix_ | OMG ADDONS ARE HAX!!11!1 |
| 21:27.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:27.35 | nicoli_s | Orix:yers are :P |
| 21:27.37 | Orix_ | its just a degree of severity with these people |
| 21:28.06 | Orix_ | that did exist in wow for a bit |
| 21:28.09 | Orix_ | in vanilla |
| 21:28.13 | Orix_ | it was quickly patched out :P |
| 21:28.25 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: no |
| 21:28.40 | Cairenn | (re lotro) |
| 21:28.49 | nicoli_s | oh wow didnt know that |
| 21:29.41 | Cairenn | They started out as purely gui skinning |
| 21:29.45 | Cairenn | but they are beyond that now |
| 21:29.48 | lXl | I posted too :) |
| 21:29.52 | nicoli_s | ahh ok very cool |
| 21:30.04 | lXl | Orix.. fallthrough macros existed in WoW too, but they fixed that quickly |
| 21:30.11 | Orix_ | indeed |
| 21:30.13 | nicoli_s | my lotro db site was the first DB i worked on that was pretty popular |
| 21:30.16 | Orix_ | i don't think they're ever intended :P |
| 21:30.17 | lXl | Which is the same thing Rift came out with, except they are limiting addons. |
| 21:31.38 | lXl | I like how one of the main figureheads in addon development makes a statement about addons, and that guy STILL doesn't believe you. |
| 21:32.10 | Orix_ | why even try to explain it |
| 21:32.11 | lXl | Oh wait, he never replied to you. |
| 21:32.14 | Orix_ | you can got through a 200+ page thread |
| 21:32.19 | Orix_ | and people still won't get it |
| 21:33.14 | Cairenn | Oh, I know, but I /try/ to educate |
| 21:33.40 | Orix_ | save your typing :P |
| 21:35.17 | Cairenn | Oh, I've gotten through to some over the years. |
| 21:35.18 | lXl | So Cairenn, are you ready for addons to play the game for us? |
| 21:35.27 | Cairenn | Maybe not a lot, but some. |
| 21:35.30 | Cairenn | lXl: heh |
| 21:36.10 | Orix_ | there is a special place in my heart for the #asm channel |
| 21:36.11 | lXl | Hammerknell will be the first "solo-dungeon" so that casual gamers are able to see that type of dungeon as well. |
| 21:36.13 | lXl | What's this mean? |
| 21:36.52 | lXl | Oh wow they are already putting AAs in? |
| 21:38.05 | lXl | So yeah, this 1/2 player hammerknell is a separate dungeon or? |
| 21:38.42 | hp94 | I have to go |
| 21:38.45 | hp94 | so brb |
| 21:38.47 | lXl | Ok? |
| 21:39.00 | hp94 | well, theres something big going down in rift soon |
| 21:39.08 | lXl | Yeah. |
| 21:39.08 | hp94 | annnnnd I want to know what it is |
| 21:39.11 | hp94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.22 | lXl | That video linked in the thread recently discussed.. why do interviews in noisy areas |
| 22:36.27 | Cairenn | I like it that many times if I post, even if I haven't actually managed to educate the person[s] in question, I at least shut them up. |
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| 22:59.06 | hp94 | Hey everyone |
| 22:59.49 | Cairenn | hi hp94 |
| 23:00.10 | hp94 | Hows it going? |
| 23:00.24 | Cairenn | Imo, not so great |
| 23:00.39 | Cairenn | Jack Layton died early this morning. Best Prime Minister we never had. |
| 23:01.28 | Orix | indeed |
| 23:02.54 | seebs | It is an interesting day, at least around here. We got official confirmation that Beloved Spouse is autistic. No wonder we get along! |
| 23:03.17 | Cairenn | High functioning, obviously |
| 23:03.28 | hp94 | Oh I heard on the radio, it was cancer, right |
| 23:03.39 | Cairenn | Yes |
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| 23:03.55 | seebs | Yeah, we're both "high functioning". :) |
| 23:20.13 | *** join/#riftuidev lXl-M (~lXl@mba5636d0.tmodns.net) |
| 23:20.29 | lXl-M | hi |
| 23:21.37 | lXl-M | my friend and i just ran over a stupid bird |
| 23:22.12 | Cairenn | :( |
| 23:22.36 | lXl-M | it committed an hero |
| 23:23.39 | lXl-M | were in hov and it just stood there until the last minute |
| 23:23.59 | lXl-M | why try to fly away when a 70mph car is on top of you? |
| 23:49.19 | Torhal | Orix: We are not HAX! |
| 23:50.20 | Orix | Yeah you are |
| 23:50.21 | Orix | Don't lie |
| 23:50.34 | Orix | IVE SEEN THE UNPROTECTED LUA CODE YOU TRY TO RUN |
| 23:50.37 | Orix | hugs his cpu |
| 23:50.51 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:51.39 | Torhal | o.O |
| 23:52.36 | Orix | addons change game mechanics? |
| 23:52.38 | Orix | addons are hax? |
| 23:52.43 | Orix | you have to run seperate programs to use addons? |
| 23:52.46 | Orix | where do i even start |
| 23:53.12 | Torhal | AddOns deteriorate tin-foil hats! |
| 23:53.47 | Orix | aint no tin-foil hats here, just straight facts |
| 23:53.51 | Orix | addons are hacks |
| 23:53.56 | Orix | writes a anti-addon theme song |
| 23:54.27 | Orix | s/a/an? |
| 23:54.56 | Torhal | hands Orix an uranium hat. |
| 23:55.16 | Orix | as long as there are no addons anywhere near it |
| 23:55.20 | Orix | i'll glady accept it :) |
| 23:55.39 | hp94 | Addons are coming soooooon |
| 23:55.48 | Orix | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.55 | Cairenn | heh |