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| 02:01.24 | Cairenn | gah ZorbaBeta! |
| 02:05.58 | Cairenn | I know, I know, don't shoot the messenger |
| 02:13.58 | seebs | Anyone know of a place in RIFT that's not got the current fog effects? I ask because I'm having one of the rare days where I actually see details and animations and I wanna look at some stuff, but it's all grey and foggt... |
| 02:14.01 | seebs | foggy. |
| 02:15.19 | Cairenn | From reading the forums, everywhere is like that, and people are pissed off about it |
| 02:17.45 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 02:18.07 | seebs | I am actually sorta liking the thing where we've got semi-permanent hunks of death rift material showing up with thicker fog on the ground near them. |
| 02:18.48 | Cairenn | Yeah, but not having the entire freaking world in constant fog |
| 02:18.52 | seebs | I mean, it's not entirely pleasant, but it is very convincing ambience. |
| 02:21.12 | lXl | They could have done the ambience without the loss of visibility :\ |
| 02:21.19 | Cairenn | Yep |
| 02:21.54 | lXl | Should have darkened the skies and put mist or something everywhere |
| 02:22.14 | lXl | Especially since it's a water/death event, a looming mist would make more sense. |
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| 02:53.58 | Aurorus | When is phase 4 going to be finished/ |
| 02:54.06 | Aurorus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.25 | lXl | :\ |
| 02:54.32 | Aurorus | I have 5 purple lessers burning a hole in my vault as they wait :P |
| 02:54.34 | Aurorus | it's painful |
| 02:55.05 | Aurorus | Sometimes I open my vault and just mouse over them, saying "Soon, my precious!" |
| 02:55.10 | Aurorus | That's normal, right? |
| 02:55.12 | Aurorus | :P |
| 02:56.14 | Aurorus | Cairenn: this site is currently in development (not by me - just a random internet person) but once it's done, I think it may be of interest to you: http://www.theelfshop.com/ |
| 02:56.44 | Cairenn | Interesting, thanks! |
| 03:06.05 | Aurorus | n.b. I don't do that vault thing (just sayin') |
| 03:07.32 | lXl | I like how one of them is $45k |
| 03:36.40 | lXl | Why is it the only plants I manage to kill are the ones that supposedly thrive on neglect? |
| 03:37.33 | Cairenn | You didn't neglect them enough? |
| 03:37.40 | lXl | Apparently. |
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| 04:50.59 | hp94 | Hello? |
| 04:51.03 | lXl | ... |
| 04:51.07 | Cairenn | hi hp94 |
| 04:51.09 | hp94 | *echo... echo... echo* |
| 04:51.20 | hp94 | Lots of open space in this channel =D |
| 04:51.55 | hp94 | Oh, I almost forgot - I talked to some people, they said "Oh, well, its the summer, I'll deal with it next month." |
| 04:52.02 | hp94 | IE They still don't really care lol |
| 04:52.12 | lXl | Wat? |
| 04:52.47 | Cairenn | oh, re the school sql injection stunt you pulled? |
| 04:58.05 | hp94 | Cairenn: Yea |
| 04:58.14 | lXl | Stunts? |
| 04:58.54 | hp94 | Not exactly a stunt, more like a mess up, mistake kinda deal. =( |
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| 05:09.23 | hp94 | Basically |
| 05:09.28 | hp94 | Well, actually, nvm |
| 05:09.36 | hp94 | Doesn't really matter any more. |
| 05:09.50 | lXl | .. 10 minutes later. "Nevermind" |
| 05:11.19 | TMc|sleep | http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 05:11.53 | hp94 | lol, I've seen that before. |
| 05:12.59 | lXl | Lol I like that one. |
| 05:13.28 | hp94 | I actually once tried to send mail to: |
| 05:13.37 | lXl | I bet you have |
| 05:13.38 | hp94 | "; |
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| 05:13.58 | hp94 | DROP TABLE names; |
| 05:14.03 | hp94 | -- |
| 05:14.09 | hp94 | Or something, Ican't remember. |
| 05:14.27 | hp94 | It got sent back to the return address no problem, so I guess they couldn't find where I wanted to send it to. |
| 05:15.02 | hp94 | DROP TABLE IF EXISTS addresses, address, names, name, user, users, etc |
| 05:16.48 | TMc|sleep | I did that to my old clan's website after they started selling my work to other people, and taking credit for it. =D |
| 05:18.01 | hp94 | clan? |
| 05:18.14 | TMc|sleep | yes |
| 05:18.59 | hp94 | Not like a guild in a game? |
| 05:19.06 | TMc|sleep | sort of |
| 05:19.12 | hp94 | Because some of those guild websites are made by guildies in a couple hours of free time. |
| 05:19.18 | TMc|sleep | You've never gamed competitively before, have you? |
| 05:19.45 | hp94 | It depends - In wow I was #1 on the server for a month straight, but then I got banned and never got the chance to try to do anything with it. |
| 05:19.57 | lXl | ... |
| 05:20.45 | hp94 | It was arena crap, I wasn't even in a good guild. |
| 05:21.17 | hp94 | But TMc|sleep, I'd still like to hear what happened on your end :) |
| 05:21.24 | lXl | WoW is super competitive :\ |
| 05:23.01 | hp94 | That explains all the speed hacking and lagswitch people - and the GCD hackers - and I also never understood them, if you deserve to be on the bottom don't take away other peoples right to be on the top, especially in ladder systems. |
| 05:23.10 | hp94 | Because hacking in that game is just stealing from the community. |
| 05:23.18 | lXl | Ok then why were you banned? |
| 05:23.42 | TMc|sleep | teleport h4x |
| 05:24.09 | hp94 | First and second perma bans were both exploiting - hacking never has anything to do with it, I simply don't think using the game to be better at the game is really gaming the system. |
| 05:24.14 | Orix_ | That GCD hack in WoW was the biggest myth |
| 05:24.16 | Orix_ | it never existed |
| 05:24.41 | lXl | GCD hack = someone was better than you |
| 05:24.48 | Orix_ | ^ this |
| 05:25.03 | lXl | I hear that in Rift right now, people complaining that macroing is GCD hacking cause people cast 3 spells at once. |
| 05:25.17 | lXl | When it's really a combo of projectile travel, instant cast, and proc. |
| 05:25.28 | hp94 | I was part of the first part of the GCD hack - yes, it existed at one point. The server hard capped GCDs at 1 second - your client hard capped them at 1.5*somehastenumber. So on your client you just changed it to 1 as well and the server would let you cast in that available space. |
| 05:26.01 | hp94 | It nearly doubled my partners dps, it was blatantly obvious. |
| 05:26.28 | lXl | That doesn't help rogues or warriors much |
| 05:26.53 | Orix_ | Considering everything is on a resource system, it really wouldn't help much at all |
| 05:27.22 | lXl | Point is, you did things Blizzard didn't want you to. You really shouldn't look down on hacks since you knowingly exploited more than once. |
| 05:27.41 | Orix_ | And I'm almost 90% sure that you could still modify that value, the client will keep track of your gcd timers for latency issues |
| 05:27.47 | lXl | It would help hunters, but they SHOULD have been 1s GCD in the first place. |
| 05:27.50 | Orix_ | Its why you can queue abilities now |
| 05:28.08 | Orix_ | Not much of a hack if the server still blocks you out :P |
| 05:28.10 | hp94 | The queueing spells system was put in place as a direct result of rampant abuse of that hack. |
| 05:28.27 | hp94 | lXl: Hacks =/= Exploiting. |
| 05:28.35 | lXl | They are both against the ToS. |
| 05:29.07 | Cairenn | I would beg to differ, hp94 |
| 05:29.44 | hp94 | Although exploiting can be defined, it is not possible to match an action with the definition. Are both morally wrong? Yes. Do I do either of them any more? No. |
| 05:29.44 | lXl | hp94 looks down on people to run an exe for stuff he does by hand.. ? |
| 05:30.41 | hp94 | lXl: It depends - Was there ever a damage hack in WoW? Not that I know of - but right now there is a damage EXPLOIT - they are different things, 100% so. |
| 05:31.27 | Orix_ | ToS is pretty generalized |
| 05:31.37 | TMc|sleep | I run the uber damage hack in wow that came from wowinterface. the link it www.wowinterface.com/lolwut/h4x/lolhackeylogger.exe |
| 05:31.39 | Orix_ | You can find a lot of grey area if you try hard enough |
| 05:32.08 | hp94 | TMc: lol, 404'd |
| 05:32.17 | Cairenn | You're using terminology incorrectly hp94: Are all hacks exploits? Yes. Are all exploits hacks? No. |
| 05:32.28 | lXl | He tried the link.. |
| 05:32.46 | Orix_ | Just let it happen |
| 05:33.02 | hp94 | If anything bad happens, I'll just roll back the computer to yesterdays backup. |
| 05:33.25 | lXl | ^experienced with running dodgy software |
| 05:34.08 | hp94 | Why is it talking about hacks and exploits to programmers gets the same kind of discussion as talking about religion and politics with IRL friends? |
| 05:34.30 | lXl | Gee, I wonder. |
| 05:34.33 | hp94 | lXl: Maybe ;) |
| 05:35.17 | Orix_ | Hacks and Exploits are different catagories |
| 05:35.54 | hp94 | Thank you Orix |
| 05:36.03 | Orix_ | In-fact hacking and hacking have different contexts to different people, if you work on FOSS or trying to do something malicious |
| 05:36.07 | hp94 | Cairenn: You're right to some extent. |
| 05:37.14 | Cairenn | Orix_: yes, hacking and hacking are two different things, but hacks in the context of MMORPGs are exploits |
| 05:37.16 | hp94 | Like you said, you can't hack without exploiting, but you can exploit without hacking. |
| 05:37.25 | Cairenn | exactly |
| 05:37.41 | hp94 | They are different kinds of exploits though, every time - they just fall under the same defining umbrella. |
| 05:37.44 | Cairenn | in the context of MMORPGs, all hacks are exploits - but not all exploits are hacks |
| 05:37.52 | Orix_ | I can agree with that Cairenn |
| 05:38.07 | Cairenn | Which is what I said the first time round ;) |
| 05:38.13 | Orix_ | oi |
| 05:38.16 | Cairenn | Hehhehe |
| 05:38.37 | Orix_ | It really all boils down to whoever owns the product |
| 05:38.57 | Cairenn | It also boils down to the intent of the hacker |
| 05:39.18 | Aurorus | and how different that intent is from the intent of the producer of the product |
| 05:39.18 | Orix_ | Not if you're talking TOS and what is/isnt "legal" |
| 05:39.19 | hp94 | I don't agree with either of those. |
| 05:39.35 | Cairenn | Orix_: aye, with that caveat |
| 05:39.52 | Aurorus | case in point: Portal 2 |
| 05:39.59 | hp94 | Portal 2? What happened? |
| 05:40.31 | Aurorus | People reverse engineered code and media files to find hidden information relating to the next part of the game. They were intended to be found by "reverse engineering" the game. |
| 05:42.12 | Aurorus | On the other hand, we have MMORPGs which try very hard to create an even playing field for people with different pings, response times and hundreds of other variables. Playing a MMORPG in a way that is not intended by the developer is exploiting and if the exploit is against the Terms of Use, then there's no amount of sugar coating that will change the fact that it is plain illegal. |
| 05:43.26 | hp94 | Aurorus: I find that a little to 'all encompassing'. |
| 05:44.15 | hp94 | There was an enormous uproar during a patch in WotLK - if you opened a bag multiple times in a row, you would get justice points multiple times, as long as the bag wasn't empty and it had justice points inside it at one point. |
| 05:44.45 | hp94 | Thousands of people had their accounnts locked out for days while they 'investigated' each person depending on whether or not they actually took loot from the bag too many times. |
| 05:45.21 | hp94 | But most often it was just people getting banned for something they couldn't even see happening (doesn't display any animation, just prints a notification if you have it enabled). |
| 05:45.50 | hp94 | They were 'exploiting' and most often banned - did those people (specifically the ones who didn't even know) deserve it? |
| 05:46.03 | Orix_ | Open a ticket and plead your case |
| 05:46.10 | Orix_ | Sounds like if your JP is going up for a random reason |
| 05:46.15 | Orix_ | Better be cautious as to why |
| 05:46.22 | hp94 | That was during WotLK |
| 05:46.26 | Orix_ | I remember |
| 05:46.38 | Cairenn | C. (i) Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players; |
| 05:46.39 | Cairenn | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/wow_tou.html |
| 05:46.47 | Aurorus | hp94: If you access a system in a way that is not intended, it is exploiting. Just because you *can* doesn't mean that you *should*. The key aspect here is that having integrity is a key part of being a trustworthy person. Having integrity means that you do the right thing regardless of what the majority is doing. |
| 05:47.24 | hp94 | I'm not talking about myself - I'm just saying that not everything is exploiting. |
| 05:47.29 | hp94 | I mean, there's got to be some slack. |
| 05:47.36 | Orix_ | That is by definition exploiting |
| 05:47.44 | Orix_ | If you don't buy anything with the JP |
| 05:47.48 | Orix_ | Ticket it, no harm no foul |
| 05:47.56 | Orix_ | If you have 500 jp, then suddenly 700 |
| 05:47.59 | Orix_ | And buy something |
| 05:48.01 | Orix_ | Exploiting |
| 05:48.31 | hp94 | Not everyone knows their JP total - of course, if you did notice and kept doing it, that would probably have been a bad idea, and of course exploiting. |
| 05:49.19 | hp94 | Cairenn: Thats fine and dandy, but although you CAN define what an exploit is, you can't define a situation as truely being exploitive or not. |
| 05:49.38 | lXl | So, this one time, Conquest woke ST and got lolbanned. |
| 05:49.49 | Orix_ | Sure you can, did it give the player an advantage? |
| 05:49.58 | Orix_ | if (advantage) exploit(); |
| 05:50.05 | Aurorus | simple, easy to understand |
| 05:50.16 | Aurorus | no special cases, no grey areas |
| 05:50.59 | hp94 | Does me casting counterspell on another mage that doesn't cast counterspell mean that since I am using something in the game available to both of us, and me using it gives me an advantage, mean I am exploiting? |
| 05:50.59 | Cairenn | Actually, since we do all love to argue semantics, and since I frequently like to play devil's advocate ... I'd disagree with that |
| 05:51.22 | hp94 | And if so, does me casting damage spells to kill/beat the opponent mean I am still exploiting, since I am getting an advantage? |
| 05:51.35 | Orix_ | There is no advantage |
| 05:51.43 | Orix_ | you both have counterspell |
| 05:51.49 | hp94 | Counterspelling correctly wins or loses fights all the time. |
| 05:52.17 | Orix_ | So? |
| 05:52.26 | Orix_ | You both have the tool at your disposal |
| 05:52.33 | Orix_ | So by your logic |
| 05:52.36 | Orix_ | You both have the exploit |
| 05:52.36 | hp94 | Right - so if I use spell X and spell Y in a magic interval that insta-kills the target, does that mean that I am still exploiting if I use that to kill the mage? Especially if he doesn't cast it either? |
| 05:52.41 | Orix_ | and by blizzard definition of an exploit |
| 05:52.44 | lXl | You have every opportunity to pickpocket as the next guy on the street but you still shouldn't. |
| 05:52.48 | Orix_ | neither of you have an advantage |
| 05:52.55 | Orix_ | so its null and void |
| 05:53.15 | Orix_ | if both players have the awesome magical spell of pwned |
| 05:53.21 | Orix_ | and you use yours first |
| 05:53.25 | Orix_ | sounds like a gameplay mechanic |
| 05:53.33 | hp94 | Alright - a REAL example is this - there was once a time wher you could cast Heroic Strike (a no GCD spell that does alot of damage) while bladestorming, and people macro'd the hell out of that, and could down the nigh-invincible-cause-of-resil-at-the-time healers in a BS. |
| 05:53.57 | Orix_ | Yes that is a bug |
| 05:54.01 | Orix_ | You are EXPLOITING the bug |
| 05:54.01 | hp94 | Blizzard did hotfix it later, but it still downed people like no tomorrow. |
| 05:54.12 | hp94 | THATS what I wanted to hear! |
| 05:54.17 | hp94 | Now you see: |
| 05:54.26 | lXl | The closer it is to being incidental the less likely you will get banned but it still is a bug. |
| 05:54.32 | hp94 | How is that situation exploiting, but the counterspell argument is not exploiting? |
| 05:54.43 | Orix_ | You are clearly doing something the game is NOT designed for |
| 05:54.51 | Orix_ | You BS, you sit there |
| 05:54.56 | hp94 | You see, exploiting can be defined, but you can't truely say "This situation is exploitive" or "This situation is not exploitiive" |
| 05:54.57 | Orix_ | The tooltip states that |
| 05:55.09 | lXl | The game says you do one thing and you are doing elsewise, that's knowingly exploiting. |
| 05:55.25 | lXl | hp.. we are saying that. |
| 05:56.41 | hp94 | lXl: Another REAL example - Shadows in the Dark was a spell you could spellsteal. It specifically said 'deals damage to enemies when you are struck'. If you spellstole it though, it would stack with spellpower and stacked to 99. It would deals 100k non-dispellable damage after you were hit a couple times. |
| 05:57.07 | hp94 | That I used to down Kazzak solo a few times because I followed what the spell tooltip said. |
| 05:57.16 | Orix_ | Yup exploit |
| 05:57.22 | Orix_ | Name 1 raid boss in any game meant to be 1 shot? |
| 05:57.33 | lXl | You have to use some common sense too. |
| 05:57.42 | Orix_ | You know a raid boss isn't meant to be one-shot |
| 05:57.55 | hp94 | How is spellstealing that spell exploitive, while spellstealing, say, Ice Barrier isn't - they both give advantages. |
| 05:58.08 | hp94 | It wasn't one shot, he had to hit you a few times. |
| 05:58.12 | Orix_ | The exploit wasn't the spell steal |
| 05:58.12 | hp94 | But that's not really the point. |
| 05:58.26 | Orix_ | Its "Clever usage of game mechanics" |
| 05:58.36 | Orix_ | like when swifty figured out how to charge/intercept in a macro |
| 05:58.42 | Orix_ | multiple times |
| 05:58.48 | Orix_ | its still an exploit |
| 05:58.48 | lXl | Wat? |
| 05:58.53 | Orix_ | They'll just patch it |
| 05:59.35 | lXl | What's the charge/intercept? |
| 05:59.51 | Orix_ | If you found out Ice Barrier when it broke did 10000000 damage to a certain mob in the game, if you spell stole it and walked up to the boss and broke it |
| 05:59.53 | Orix_ | Exploit |
| 06:00.00 | hp94 | Orix_: There was one DK, I think in paragon or something, that used dark simulacrum (spell copier) on a raid boss during a world-first attempt at downing it. It did about 80% of the bosses HP on cast, they didn't know. |
| 06:00.01 | Orix_ | The abilities charge and intercept on a warrior |
| 06:00.25 | Orix_ | Yeah and the GM that is watching paragons attempt goes "LOL, lets fix that and reset your boss for you" |
| 06:00.27 | hp94 | Also orix_, Why would that be exploitive? |
| 06:00.40 | lXl | That's not exploiting that's finding a bug, doing it again is exploiting. |
| 06:00.52 | hp94 | Now lxl is getting closer. |
| 06:01.19 | hp94 | But again, although you can define 'exploit', you can't define situations as to whether or not they are exploitive. |
| 06:01.37 | lXl | I forget the guild but the world first LK where rogues were seaforium bombing the platform, obviously if their charges are restoring the platform it's a bug but they continued until LK was down. |
| 06:01.45 | Orix_ | Ensidia |
| 06:01.48 | lXl | Right. |
| 06:01.49 | Orix_ | The platform would repop |
| 06:02.24 | lXl | hp do you really want us to define every single possible exploit in the history of MMO gaming? |
| 06:02.41 | hp94 | No - I'm saying you can't define ANY. |
| 06:02.43 | lXl | You keep asking us what about this and that exploit, players are knowingly breaking game mechancis. |
| 06:02.55 | lXl | ^ |
| 06:02.56 | hp94 | But what is 'game mechanics'? |
| 06:03.07 | lXl | ^Not listening. |
| 06:03.15 | Orix_ | Whatever Blizzard defines them to be? |
| 06:03.17 | hp94 | Is it spelled out to the player somewhere? Online? In a game manual? |
| 06:03.18 | Orix_ | Common sense |
| 06:03.23 | hp94 | Where does Blizzard define them? |
| 06:03.38 | hp94 | Do they exist outside of 'common sense'? |
| 06:04.43 | lXl | Hp just wants us to define the meaning of "is" I think. |
| 06:04.55 | lXl | Maybe this will clear things up http://travelmalaysiaguide.com/images/Proboscis-Monkey-Adult.jpg |
| 06:05.04 | Aurorus | Consider this: Would you still do a particular activity in front of a GM? If you wouldn't then that's some reason to stop and think that perhaps that activity is exploiting. |
| 06:05.53 | Orix_ | There are plenty of more applicable "grey" areas that take place out of the game space to discuss |
| 06:05.57 | Orix_ | You're arguing semantics at this point |
| 06:06.30 | hp94 | I actually did quite a few of these in front of GMs - most I knew about, some I didn't. I believe when I was talking with some of the customer support they said they had, to quote, "A team of some employees that did nothing but look out for your activity". (Which explains why my tickets were always answered isntantly) |
| 06:08.12 | hp94 | I should probably open a forum thread instead of continuing to take up so much space in the programming discussion =S |
| 06:08.22 | hp94 | Actually, maybe I should just leave this alone. |
| 06:08.31 | Orix_ | Go lookup my old thread on the rift forums |
| 06:08.41 | Orix_ | Its like 150 pages of arguing about semantics around exploits |
| 06:08.45 | Orix_ | *shrugs* |
| 06:09.06 | hp94 | Search function doesn't bring up anything. |
| 06:09.12 | hp94 | "Orix" right? |
| 06:09.19 | Orix_ | mhm |
| 06:09.24 | Orix_ | it may be gone at this point |
| 06:09.30 | Orix_ | it was back in february |
| 06:11.14 | hp94 | And speaking of exploits, Cairenn, did you ever get an email reply? |
| 06:12.07 | lXl | So I'm sitting here drinking cucumber gatorade |
| 06:12.13 | Cairenn | not as of yet, I was actually going to poke them again soon |
| 06:13.04 | hp94 | They wouldn't have received it unless you addressed them in the subject line with something specific, like "AddOns" or "attn: AddOns" |
| 06:14.53 | Cairenn | hp94: Sweetie, after almost 10 years of doing this, I know how to contact them, thanks. |
| 06:15.11 | lXl | :) |
| 06:15.57 | Orix_ | Grabbing there attention about addons is impossible |
| 06:16.03 | Orix_ | their |
| 06:16.11 | hp94 | Sweetie? |
| 06:16.21 | Orix_ | A term of endearment :) |
| 06:16.26 | Cairenn | It's an expression |
| 06:16.45 | hp94 | I know what Sweetie is, just thinking about what it means... |
| 06:16.58 | Aurorus | don't think too hard hp94 |
| 06:17.03 | Orix_ | i lol'd |
| 06:17.42 | Orix_ | hp94: http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?49317-RIFT-Addon-Pack&p=1828919 |
| 06:17.43 | Cairenn | It's politer than calling you an asshat for trying to tell me how to do my job ;) |
| 06:17.43 | Orix_ | can you hit that? |
| 06:18.23 | lXl | IXI, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: :( |
| 06:18.34 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 06:18.40 | Orix_ | I can't hit it either |
| 06:18.43 | Orix_ | weird |
| 06:19.03 | hp94 | Sometimes, "Deleted" threads go to archives only devs can see. |
| 06:19.15 | hp94 | Cairenn, sorry, I didn't mean to come off as rude. |
| 06:19.31 | Aurorus | neither did she, hence "Sweetie" |
| 06:19.36 | Cairenn | It's okay. That's why I was trying to not be rude in return. |
| 06:19.45 | Cairenn | Yep, what Aurorus said |
| 06:22.47 | Orix_ | I wonder if they ever came to a conclusion about the EndScene hooks |
| 06:55.04 | hp94 | http://xkcd.com/565/ |
| 06:55.21 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:55.41 | lXl | http://xkcd.com/930/large/ |
| 06:56.32 | lXl | Apparently Monday isn't the big day. |
| 06:57.30 | hp94 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJwSEDE5x2I |
| 06:58.00 | lXl | If anything can be derived from this graph is that Wednesday needs to be second weekend |
| 06:58.04 | hp94 | http://miscpix.com/zme3k |
| 06:58.12 | lXl | It's ladies night and everyones getting drunk. |
| 06:58.29 | hp94 | lol |
| 06:58.48 | lXl | Plus, it will make Thursday not suck as bad. |
| 06:58.55 | hp94 | Hey, does anyone know where I can find a picture of that 'guffaw' face with the guy holding the axe? |
| 06:59.03 | hp94 | It hasn't been around long |
| 07:02.36 | lXl | http://www.glogster.com/media/4/20/19/8/20190885.jpg |
| 07:04.13 | hp94 | lol |
| 07:04.20 | hp94 | its closer to the 'are you serious' rage face |
| 07:07.19 | hp94 | Its got this guys face (Near the bottom, above poker face guy): http://www.unp.me/f44/the-complete-collection-of-rage-faces-121059/ -But hes wielding an axe |
| 07:08.33 | lXl | I have me doing trollface in CMYK hanging on my wall |
| 07:32.06 | hp94 | Its a picture of the guy in the bottom left panel wielding an axe http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/127/906/homealone.png?1306613557 -This is driving me nuts =( |
| 07:34.22 | lXl | http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5076052/2/istockphoto_5076052-driving-me-nuts-saying.jpg |
| 07:34.23 | lXl | ? |
| 07:36.34 | hp94 | lol |
| 07:37.11 | hp94 | I found a cropped version without the face overlay (Don't have photoshop since I'm looking at getting my version replaced by adobe right now): http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll302/8u3jc/AXE.jpg |
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| 15:21.37 | nicoli_s | morning all |
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| 15:53.01 | Cairenn | Morning |
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| 20:25.24 | seebs | *sigh* My top secret Trion contact moved to a new job, and now there's no one to refuse to tell me anything secret. |
| 20:25.45 | Cairenn | Awwww |
| 20:26.03 | Cairenn | I can still refuse to tell you anything that is secret! |
| 20:26.34 | seebs | Yeah, but that's hardly the same thing. |
| 20:26.35 | nicoli_s | seebs:its funny we have the same contact :) |
| 20:26.55 | seebs | Not too surprising. I suspect most of the people at Trion refuse to even refuse to say anything. |
| 20:27.26 | Cairenn | Bah, how do you know it isn't the same thing? I can't tell you, so maybe it is! |
| 20:27.50 | seebs | But what's the fun in doing back of the envelope calculations on the population, if there's no one who can respond to guesses with "that's an interesting guess" or "well, I really couldn't say". |
| 20:32.56 | nicoli_s | well seebs i can refuse to tell you about the secret projects im working on |
| 20:33.02 | seebs | Yay! |
| 20:33.38 | seebs | So, what projects are those? <-- straight line |
| 20:33.55 | nicoli_s | working on a site for a game |
| 20:34.27 | fewyn | me too! *gasps* |
| 20:34.28 | seebs | This is mystifying. I have an android tablet and an android phone. Guess which one of them can run netflix. |
| 20:34.34 | fewyn | neither |
| 20:34.43 | seebs | Heh. No, the phone can. |
| 20:35.02 | seebs | Because obviously a 3" screen over a cellular network is WAY better suited to that than a 10" screen with wifi. |
| 20:35.07 | nicoli_s | you should be able to side load it |
| 20:35.25 | seebs | Quite possible. I just think it's funny that the android market says it doesn't work on the tablet. |
| 20:35.43 | Morv_ | thats the whole probem with android |
| 20:36.13 | seebs | I thought it was that every search term produces dozens of fart apps in the market. :) |
| 20:36.14 | Morv_ | get an iDivice, everything works on all tree available devices ;) |
| 20:36.32 | Morv_ | ah, yes. That as well |
| 20:38.00 | seebs | It's the old "you have to understand the rules before you can break them" problem. |
