| 00:42.54 | seebs | Woah, have you guys seen the 1.4 patch notes? |
| 00:42.56 | seebs | Quest item bag. |
| 00:43.06 | seebs | And banked quest items still work and can be handed in. |
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| 00:59.39 | Aurorus | seebs: link? |
| 01:00.22 | Sling | Aurorus: http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?225978-PTS-1.4-In-Progress-Notes-1-7-13-11 |
| 01:00.48 | Aurorus | cheers |
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| 07:20.35 | hp94 | Whatcha thinkin' bout? |
| 07:25.37 | lXl | For fuck sake. Cross shard LFG... |
| 07:26.43 | lXl | I'm honestly about done with Rift. It did right all that WoW did wrong. Now it's getting the same exact issues as WoW with no new innovations. |
| 07:37.16 | hp94 | Normal LFG takes like 3 hours to get a group, whats wrong with cross shard stuff? |
| 07:37.37 | lXl | I don't care about your shard. If I LFG on cross shard, I will need everything I care to. |
| 07:38.01 | lXl | Why am I an ass? Well, I am, but more specifically, if I wanted a LFG spamfest I wouldn't have left WoW. |
| 07:38.41 | lXl | I don't want to do what I did in WoW, I don't want to spam dungeons and half assed PvP battles. I want a real RPG. |
| 07:39.13 | Dramiel | try lotro then |
| 07:39.23 | lXl | Old game. |
| 07:39.33 | lXl | Not fond of FTP models either. |
| 07:40.33 | Dramiel | there is "premium" account with monthly fee with all content |
| 07:41.38 | Aurorus | New expansion coming in 2 months for LotRO too |
| 07:43.46 | Dramiel | dunno I like where rift is going.. I stopped playing wow because it of bad content - stuff like cross realm dungeon finder are good.. only thing I hope rift will never have are arenas |
| 07:47.50 | hp94 | Pffft |
| 07:47.56 | hp94 | The only thing I want are 1v1 arenas |
| 07:48.05 | hp94 | Duels with a meaningful win record |
| 07:48.17 | hp94 | Throw in 2v2/3v3 too to make everyone happy |
| 07:48.24 | Dramiel | 1v1 is not and never will be balanced |
| 07:48.30 | Dramiel | and arenas ruin world pvp |
| 07:48.41 | hp94 | Offer no rewards except for a title, and presto bingo cringle popple etc you've got tons o fun. |
| 07:51.45 | lXl | I don't get what they're doing. They could have made more world content, like zones that are as difficult as raid content. |
| 07:51.56 | lXl | Or whole PvP zones factions have to fight to control. |
| 07:52.02 | lXl | Instead, they go for instanced quickies. |
| 07:59.38 | lXl | Sweet, 7 free WoW days. |
| 08:03.02 | hp94 | lxl, I disagree. |
| 08:03.13 | hp94 | The World Designers have plenty of work to do already. |
| 08:03.23 | hp94 | It's the programmers that need to pick up the pace. |
| 08:03.32 | hp94 | cracks his whip * |
| 08:03.36 | hp94 | FASTER! |
| 08:05.28 | lXl | The community that Trion caters too honestly sucks hard. |
| 08:05.44 | lXl | "THIS GAME IS LIKE WoW, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MORE LIKE WoW!" |
| 08:06.12 | lXl | Oh crap.. my old UI code is probably long broken. |
| 08:09.29 | hp94 | UI code? For WoW? |
| 08:09.40 | lXl | Yes |
| 08:10.34 | lXl | I'm going to restart, WoW won't open :\ |
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| 08:16.49 | hp94 | That's cause wow is a slew of bad programming. |
| 08:17.32 | hp94 | From someone that knows its failures more than anyone else, it is a heap of missing pieces that in the end I feel just barely stays together. |
| 08:17.56 | Dramiel | sure |
| 08:18.56 | hp94 | Dramiel: Are you agreeing? =D |
| 08:19.23 | Dramiel | gimme break, it's hard to be sarcastic on irc |
| 08:20.21 | hp94 | WoW, the engine itself, isn't well made. |
| 08:20.42 | hp94 | It can't hold a candle to what I've seen in RIFT. |
| 08:21.09 | Dramiel | so you have seen source code for both games? |
| 08:21.29 | hp94 | I've seen the results of the source code of both games. |
| 08:21.36 | Dramiel | also wow is like bagillion years older and after million patches |
| 08:21.52 | hp94 | Yet it was somehow worse when it was first released. |
| 08:22.35 | Dramiel | ok well, give me specifics |
| 08:22.59 | Dramiel | if you are so pro at telling quality of project by its compiled version |
| 08:25.03 | hp94 | I'll quote a post seebs (I believe) posted a while ago: http://www.mmowned.com/forums/world-of-warcraft/exploits/323943-crash-others-wow-trickery-tips-tricks.html |
| 08:27.29 | Dramiel | so a bug.. thats something that happens - doesn't say that the whole thing is crap |
| 08:28.28 | hp94 | Soon after that there was a macro that would DC everyone around you, because you were spamming/playing Emotes too fast for slow computers to handle. |
| 08:28.31 | Dramiel | do you remember that for a while in rift you could disenchant AND sell the same item? that won't crash client, but it will ruin economy |
| 08:28.58 | hp94 | And before that there was the addon message fiasco, you could keep entire guilds offline for hours with a macro. |
| 08:30.25 | Dramiel | bugs just happen.. once someone find them then get fixed .. have you ever worked on any larger commercial project? |
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| 08:30.52 | lXl | Computer takes way too long to boot.. :\ |
| 08:30.57 | hp94 | I'm trying to get to the larger commercial projects now. |
| 08:31.02 | hp94 | Working hard =D |
| 08:31.08 | Dramiel | I hope its not rift related |
| 08:31.09 | Dramiel | :p |
| 08:31.34 | hp94 | iOS/Andriod/iPhone development. |
| 08:32.40 | hp94 | Wanna play a demo? =D |
| 08:33.37 | Dramiel | you need to realize that no commercial project will be 100% well written.. there are changes so often it is just not possible to have everything done like you would want, because noone will pay to to rewrite large systems because of small things |
| 08:34.31 | Dramiel | you know that iPhone runs on iOS? :p |
| 08:34.41 | hp94 | Copy/Paste |
| 08:35.08 | hp94 | "iOS Development Developing for iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad" |
| 08:35.18 | hp94 | But iPhone out of iOS specifically. |
| 08:36.10 | Dramiel | have fun, I did some stuff for iPhone and the ui handling is soo weird :p |
| 08:37.25 | hp94 | Ha, I'm just googling how to do EVERYTHING and pretty much copying tutorial instructions exactly. Getting some very pretty results though. |
| 08:37.44 | hp94 | Have you used Unity3d? |
| 08:37.54 | lXl | Ok, does anyone know how to 100% shut down AVG? |
| 08:38.00 | lXl | This shit is tripping over WoW needlessly. |
| 08:38.38 | Dramiel | who uses antivirus nowdays? :p |
| 08:38.47 | hp94 | TaskManager - I've had AVG quarentine the entire 15gb of WoW once, had to reinstall because it won't ever unquarentine WoW. |
| 08:38.59 | Dramiel | and no, I played with cocoa only.. game development is not my things |
| 08:39.03 | lXl | It quarantined WoW.exe |
| 08:39.14 | hp94 | Heh, I'd suggest reinstalling. |
| 08:40.43 | lXl | Oh FFS it's in the advanced settings. |
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| 09:32.51 | lXl | Wow.. posted this on the forum and people agree with me.. sort of. |
| 09:33.05 | lXl | Rather, looks like there's a lot of points in this game people would rather have different |
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| 11:57.24 | ZorbaTHut | just FYI, the addon documentation is now licensed under CC-BY 3.0, and the examples will be going up with a BSD 2-clause license pretty soon. |
| 11:58.04 | jnwhiteh | thanks ZorbaTHut! |
| 11:59.57 | ZorbaTHut | np |
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| 12:11.32 | ZorbaTHut | examples updated |
| 12:13.12 | dOxxx | zorba, I'm not seeing your posts on the forums show up in the dev posts rss feed |
| 12:13.30 | dOxxx | you seem to be marked as a moderator instead of a dev |
| 12:19.21 | ZorbaTHut | interesting, I'll see if I can get that changed. Thanks for letting me know :) |
| 12:19.30 | dOxxx | np |
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| 14:26.00 | nicoli_s | morning all |
| 14:27.59 | nohh | ahoy matey |
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| 15:02.07 | nicoli_s | man i love when i finally squash a bug that has bothered me for like a week |
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| 15:24.52 | Ackis | gives nicoli_s a fly-swatter |
| 15:24.58 | Ackis | now you don't have to wait a whole week |
| 15:25.35 | nicoli_s | it just sucks with this current project i have an app that takes about 20 minutes to run fully, so trying to deal with issues that pop up 75% of the way into it blows\ |
| 15:27.11 | Ackis | oh is that the rift keylogger? ;P |
| 15:27.37 | ZorbaBeta | nicoli, you think that's bad, imagine a 20-hour QuestHelper build process |
| 15:28.13 | nicoli_s | heh sounds fun |
| 15:28.35 | nicoli_s | this particular project has to process nearly a million xml documents, such a pain |
| 15:29.08 | ZorbaBeta | I'm doing a download right now of several million game logs from a roguelike to do statistical analysis on. That will be equally fun. |
| 15:29.13 | ZorbaBeta | it's not even xml, I get to do text parsing |
| 15:30.16 | nicoli_s | for work or fun? |
| 15:30.40 | ZorbaBeta | for fun :D |
| 15:30.46 | Ackis | fun fun fun |
| 15:30.58 | ZorbaBeta | I want to see what the deadliest monsters are. they've determined which monsters have the most kills, but unsurprisingly, that's mostly the first monsters you find |
| 15:31.08 | ZorbaBeta | I want to figure out which monsters have the highest playerdeath/monsterdeath ratio |
| 15:31.09 | nicoli_s | sounds interesting |
| 15:31.26 | ZorbaBeta | and then I might do some analysis to see if there are any spots in the game that get highly nonlinearly difficult |
| 15:31.52 | Ackis | make a mob that drops 1000 platinum and 1 shots you if your name isn't Ackis |
| 15:32.00 | Ackis | balanced I know |
| 15:34.43 | ZorbaBeta | that wouldn't be much of a reward because platinum doesn't exist in that game |
| 15:34.57 | ZorbaBeta | and depending on where it was placed, that would be only slightly more difficult than existing monsters |
| 15:42.20 | nohh | he must've meant platinum ore |
| 15:42.43 | ZorbaBeta | no such thing either, mwahahahahaha |
| 15:45.13 | Ackis | :( |
| 16:15.54 | Sling | is it ´allowed´ to own a domainname with ´rift´ in it? |
| 16:16.18 | Sling | for a utility/fansite |
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| 16:16.35 | TMc51 | so long as you're not trying to pass it off as an official site, it should be no problem. |
| 16:17.17 | Sling | alright |
| 16:20.14 | nicoli_s | sling:definitely |
| 16:20.28 | nicoli_s | theres riftui, riftdb, riftjunkies, rift.curse.com, etc etc |
| 16:20.43 | Sling | yea was just wondering if they pinged somebody at trion before registering that stuff |
| 16:20.57 | nicoli_s | nah go for it |
| 16:21.45 | nicoli_s | getting a better domain for your tools? |
| 16:21.59 | Sling | aye |
| 16:22.20 | Sling | gotta prepare some stuff before launching it for all the other classes :p |
| 16:22.24 | Sling | before the shit hits the fan |
| 16:22.25 | nicoli_s | sweet |
| 16:23.42 | nohh | nicoli_s: why does rift.curse.com not have a link to riftdb ? |
| 16:23.59 | nicoli_s | because we are gonna be closing riftdb soon :( |
| 16:24.28 | nohh | oh, bummer |
| 16:24.36 | nicoli_s | we didnt push hard enough at the start, so theres really no point in maintaining it when rift.zam.com has all of that and more |
| 16:24.48 | nicoli_s | yeah it blows, but i did my work, so what can ya do |
| 16:24.59 | Sling | same fate as telarapedia i´m afraid |
| 16:25.15 | Sling | being overshadowed by zam wiki |
| 16:26.32 | nohh | yeah i was looking at the quantcast numbers the other day |
| 16:26.38 | nohh | pobre riftdb |
| 16:26.48 | nicoli_s | yeah it def sucks |
| 16:27.11 | nicoli_s | id say the main factor was the soul calc |
| 16:27.19 | nicoli_s | zam already had one, so people were used to already going there |
| 16:27.19 | Calthine-ZAM | Our devs kicked some ass on that |
| 16:27.41 | Sling | yup it has the ´it just works´ feeling to it, which matters most :) |
| 16:27.55 | nicoli_s | and thats the other thing, its a whole team at zam versus me, who is divided among 10 diff projects |
| 16:27.56 | nohh | well they had that before anything else |
| 16:28.20 | nohh | you know how many people zam has working on their DBs? :o |
| 16:28.29 | Calthine-ZAM | one, last I checked |
| 16:28.33 | Sling | and a few monkeys |
| 16:29.06 | nicoli_s | well when i had spoken with nizdar about it he said there were at least a few people on it |
| 16:29.10 | nohh | who's this magic man |
| 16:29.10 | nicoli_s | but that was at the start |
| 16:29.15 | Sling | nicoli_s: ye its a waste to be competitors like that, when you should combine people with the same goals |
| 16:29.34 | nicoli_s | Sling:wait a while once we buy zam :P |
| 16:29.42 | nohh | rift.zam.com is actually putting up decent numbers though |
| 16:29.43 | Calthine-ZAM | *snorT* |
| 16:30.07 | nohh | nothing compared to wowhead but still decent |
| 16:30.14 | nicoli_s | dont snort so soon Calthine-ZAM, we are just about to double yall in quantcast |
| 16:30.43 | nicoli_s | rift was certainly a smart investment for yall, but i think minecraft for us might have been a bit smarter :) |
| 16:30.58 | TMc51 | inb4 Zam buys out Curse instead? |
| 16:31.10 | Sling | and then trion buys curse! |
| 16:31.14 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:31.15 | nohh | ladies, ladies.. I'll buy you both out |
| 16:31.18 | TMc51 | well, probably more like hostile bloody takeover. |
| 16:31.30 | nicoli_s | hell i dont care who buys us as long as i get my stock payout :P |
| 16:31.44 | TMc51 | tru dat |
| 16:32.16 | Cairenn|afk | chuckles - those rumours fly all the time. "Curse is buying Zam." "Zam is buying Curse." Over and over, round and round we go. |
| 16:32.27 | nicoli_s | im not saying theres any rumors |
| 16:32.37 | Cairenn|afk | No, just saying. :) |
| 16:32.42 | nicoli_s | though im sure people start them all the time |
| 16:32.47 | Cairenn|afk | Constantly |
| 16:32.50 | ZorbaBeta | just buy each other and swap places |
| 16:32.53 | nicoli_s | though i would love to work with yall :) |
| 16:32.55 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 16:33.03 | Cairenn|afk | @ zorba |
| 16:33.09 | Cairenn|afk | hugs nicoli_s |
| 16:33.10 | nicoli_s | only if yall drop perl of course :P |
| 16:33.22 | nohh | they'll drop perl when you drop C# |
| 16:33.25 | fewyn | i doubt that'll ever happen |
| 16:33.33 | nicoli_s | rehugs Cairenn|afk |
| 16:33.37 | TMc51 | Zorba: Would that mean I'd have to swap to loving Curse, and disliking WoWI/RiftI? D: |
| 16:33.39 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 16:33.59 | nicoli_s | i think everybody should like everybody |
| 16:34.09 | nohh | bah humbug |
| 16:34.10 | fewyn | i would very much like a sandwich |
| 16:34.12 | nicoli_s | cept fer them dang foreigners! |
| 16:34.20 | Sling | heh |
| 16:34.29 | nohh | and yellow gremlin, screw those guys |
| 16:34.33 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:34.35 | Sling | and clerics |
| 16:34.39 | nicoli_s | i dont have a problem with those people |
| 16:34.44 | TMc51 | Nah, can't honestly say I dislike either. I don't care for the way Curse's addon sites are layed out, but I still began making my move over to them yesterday. |
| 16:34.49 | nicoli_s | now the playata DB people, screw them |
| 16:35.02 | nicoli_s | they openly steal our content :( |
| 16:35.07 | Cairenn|afk | TMc51: *pout* Why would you do that? |
| 16:35.36 | TMc51 | Cairenn: I was asked by a bunch of people if I would host my addons on Curse, as well. |
| 16:35.36 | nohh | way to go TMc you made Cairenn sad |
| 16:36.05 | nohh | you probably didnt even think how that'd hurt her feelings before you did it either, very inconsiderate |
| 16:36.13 | TMc51 | :'( |
| 16:36.22 | Cairenn|afk | TMc51: as long as it's "as well", I won't pout. But you made it sound like you were abandoning me, which hurtededed my feelings. :( |
| 16:37.22 | TMc51 | Oh heck naw. <3 WoWI/RiftI more. Much tighter community, IMO. |
| 16:37.33 | Cairenn|afk | smoogles TMc51 |
| 16:38.00 | nicoli_s | yeah we need to get off our asses and get rift forums setup for CF, and a wiki as well |
| 16:39.22 | TMc51 | BTW, what's easier to set up and use, GIT, or SVN? I'd like to try Mercurial, but then I'd still have to grab GIT or SVN anyways for WoWI/RiftI. |
| 16:39.36 | nicoli_s | svn id say |
| 16:39.48 | Cairenn|afk | Anyway, on that note, I'm off to take my sister and her two kids out for another day of touring around Ottawa. See you all later on this evening. :) |
| 16:39.50 | nicoli_s | and id def recommend mercurial for CF, so nice |
| 16:39.55 | nicoli_s | later Cairenn|afk |
| 16:39.57 | Ackis | Hg sucks |
| 16:40.02 | Ackis | bye Cairenn|afk |
| 16:40.02 | TMc51 | have fun oot and aboot, eh? |
| 16:40.18 | nicoli_s | quit pouting ackis |
| 16:40.19 | Cairenn|afk | TMc51: lol |
| 16:41.05 | TMc51 | nicoli_s: I'll definitely try it. It's supposedly the James Bond of version control according to a few friends. |
| 16:41.27 | Sling | http://www.riftupgrades.com/ |
| 16:41.28 | Sling | there we go |
| 16:41.40 | nicoli_s | the ui for it can be a bit to deal with, but once you get used to it, its by far the most powerful |
| 16:41.45 | Ackis | keylogger IMO |
| 16:41.50 | Sling | Ackis: ssh |
| 16:42.10 | TMc51 | one does not simply ssh into mordor. |
| 16:42.11 | nicoli_s | Sling:might want to add coming soon to the non-clickable links |
| 16:42.27 | Sling | nicoli_s: yea i will, only advertized in the rogue forums now anyway |
| 16:42.38 | nicoli_s | looking great though |
| 16:42.40 | Sling | ill put some text over it |
| 16:42.47 | nicoli_s | will be so awesome once you can hook it into the rift armory data |
| 16:42.56 | Sling | yup ´Import Gear´ would be a nice button |
| 16:43.18 | Sling | i should just put it on there in html comments, just for the heck of it |
| 16:43.22 | TMc51 | nicoli_s: Would you recommend the Hgk, or TortoiseHG for Mercurial? |
| 16:43.28 | nicoli_s | tortoisehg |
| 16:43.34 | TMc51 | thanks. :) |
| 16:43.36 | nohh | TMc51: i'd just recommend github :p |
| 16:44.10 | Sling | github ftw |
| 16:44.25 | TMc51 | I would if GIT had an easy to use GUI. :P |
| 16:44.36 | Sling | git bash is enough UI for regular use |
| 16:45.04 | nohh | there is git gui as well |
| 16:45.16 | nohh | or Macs have the fancy new github program thing |
| 16:46.42 | TMc51 | i r can has borrow munneh 4 nu mac thens? |
| 16:47.52 | nohh | newp :p |
| 16:48.12 | nohh | command line works just fine though, its not that bad |
| 16:48.25 | TMc51 | All I know is my next computer build is going to piss off Mac lovers soooooo much. |
| 16:48.51 | TMc51 | I've already got my hands on a Mac Pro case that I plan to gut. :) |
| 16:52.18 | seebs | hp94, where on earth do you get the idea that I posted that? |
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| 16:58.26 | BuGi | hmm, are addons working on live? |
| 16:59.00 | nicoli_s | nope |
| 16:59.10 | nicoli_s | no clue when they will either |
| 16:59.25 | BuGi | that's what I thought, ty |
| 16:59.29 | nicoli_s | np |
| 16:59.41 | nicoli_s | unless ZorbaBeta cares to share if they are coming in 1.4 or not? |
| 17:02.07 | BuGi | :)) |
| 17:11.09 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14 |
| 17:11.32 | nicoli_s | is that no to coming in 1.4 or not to telling us? |
| 17:11.39 | ZorbaBeta | the latter :P |
| 17:12.04 | TMc51 | in all liklihood, both, even. |
| 17:12.06 | nicoli_s | hey, its better than no |
| 17:25.49 | nicoli_s | ZorbaBeta:are there new api features in the 1.4 PTS? |
| 17:34.41 | ZorbaBeta | I don't believe so, we've been doing some backend work |
| 17:35.02 | ZorbaBeta | at best there's a bugfix or two |
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| 18:14.33 | kergoth_ | i wish the max # of chars on a shard was higher than 6 |
| 18:16.20 | seebs | Me too. |
| 18:16.30 | seebs | BTW, if you want a research project: |
| 18:16.47 | seebs | Try to find a way to say that on the official forums that doesn't get at least one response saying "I don't see why anyone would need more than 4". |
| 18:17.04 | seebs | You can put in as many paragraphs explaining your reasoning as you want. It has no effect. |
| 18:17.37 | kergoth_ | rolls eyes |
| 18:18.07 | kergoth_ | guess you're just stuck with one faction, period.. |
| 18:18.21 | kergoth_ | always had max level chars on both in wow |
| 18:32.52 | Ackis | seebs: why would you need more than 4? |
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| 18:46.18 | seebs | Factions and RP. |
| 18:48.10 | Ackis | pfft |
| 18:51.24 | mckenziemc | http://www.wowhead.com/?user=mckenziemc : / |
| 18:53.15 | nicoli_s | do the wowhead achievements keep you coming back mckenziemc? :P |
| 18:53.39 | mckenziemc | no |
| 18:54.30 | fewyn | BUT BUT |
| 18:54.34 | fewyn | THEY SHOULD! |
| 18:54.42 | fewyn | because they are awesome >_< |
| 19:03.30 | Ackis | only 7? |
| 19:03.31 | Ackis | newb |
| 19:06.03 | mckenziemc | http://www.wowhead.com/?user=mckenziemc#characters fixed for the less observant |
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| 19:06.36 | Ackis | only 1 comment? |
| 19:06.37 | Ackis | newb |
| 19:06.46 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/user=fewyn#characters |
| 19:06.57 | mckenziemc | ~smackis |
| 19:06.57 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 19:09.05 | mckenziemc | well, at least i can shed the guilt of having the most of anyone i knew |
| 19:09.15 | mckenziemc | granted 9 of yours are 60 or below :p |
| 19:10.09 | fewyn | yeah those are alts or former mains on servers i no longer play on |
| 19:10.11 | fewyn | i'm on velen now |
| 19:10.18 | fewyn | i'm filling up my second account currnetly |
| 19:10.28 | mckenziemc | i want to change servers |
| 19:10.35 | mckenziemc | but i've already wasted soo much time on wow |
| 19:11.12 | mckenziemc | blizz may have an extra $500 coming in sometime in the distant future |
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| 19:38.28 | seebs | I had three accounts, I think. |
| 19:38.50 | seebs | I forget how many 80s. 6ish. |
| 19:39.43 | nicoli_s | i just cant get into mmos, i dunno what it is |
| 19:39.55 | nicoli_s | i, hoping either SWTOR or GW2 will change that, but we'll see |
| 19:39.58 | seebs | Beloved spouse had been about to get a second account, but we ended up not doing that. |
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| 21:33.17 | hp94 | Hey everyone |
| 21:33.35 | nicoli_s | hey there |
| 21:34.49 | nicoli_s | how goes it? |
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| 21:47.58 | hp94 | idk, reading some unity api |
| 21:48.10 | hp94 | its not very user friendly (except for ui creations) |
| 21:49.41 | nicoli_s | doing some game dev? |
| 21:58.33 | lXl | UGH I can't log into Rift cause I don't know what I changed keepass to :( |
| 21:58.51 | hp94 | lxl: I tohught you were a big wow fan now? |
| 21:59.03 | hp94 | nicoli_s: Yep =D |
| 21:59.08 | lXl | I have 3 months of Rift prepay.. |
| 21:59.12 | hp94 | Except the game isn't nearly as good as it should be. |
| 21:59.32 | nicoli_s | if you know C# you should check out XNA |
| 21:59.46 | nicoli_s | it doesnt do everything for you like Unity, but its fun to play around with and super easy to pick up |
| 21:59.50 | lXl | I'd like to stay with Rift but I'd like to see positive improvements. They should worry less about catching up to WoW and keep going their own way. |
| 21:59.56 | nicoli_s | and yer games work across pc, xbox, and win phone 7 |
| 22:00.15 | nohh | ohboy wp7 |
| 22:00.23 | lXl | Like.. PvP rifts sound kind of cool, but there's no point if they're using a WoW ratings model for gear. |
| 22:00.38 | nicoli_s | nohh:whatcha got against wp7? |
| 22:01.01 | nohh | its teeny tiny market |
| 22:01.05 | nicoli_s | oh i know |
| 22:01.08 | nicoli_s | but itll grow |
| 22:01.13 | nohh | will it? |
| 22:01.20 | nicoli_s | i think it will |
| 22:01.43 | nohh | i doubt it'll do much |
| 22:02.09 | hp94 | I checked out XNA, I didn't like it. But I might be biased because I had to build an AI system in XNA the first time I used it. |
| 22:03.10 | seebs | IXI, did you see the state-of-the-game thing? |
| 22:03.23 | nicoli_s | nohh:i think once nokia comes out with their phones itll help |
| 22:03.27 | nohh | smart phones are only as good as the apps you can get on the platform, developers only develop on platforms with users.. it's a catch-22 that I don't see them solving |
| 22:03.28 | lXl | Every time I log into the game. :P |
| 22:03.36 | nicoli_s | the phones themselves are awesome, i dont know anyone who has one whos not happy with it |
| 22:04.29 | nicoli_s | so glad i ditched my iphone |
| 22:04.42 | nohh | why's that |
| 22:04.55 | nicoli_s | iphone was always laggy, every update made it worse |
| 22:05.06 | nohh | which model? |
| 22:05.07 | nicoli_s | with my wp7 its super fast and every update gets better and better |
| 22:05.10 | nicoli_s | 3gs |
| 22:05.18 | nicoli_s | and i can dev for it |
| 22:05.55 | nohh | can develop for iphone too its just a pita to do it on windows :p |
| 22:06.12 | nicoli_s | meh, objective c isnt my thing |
| 22:06.53 | nicoli_s | i heard of some horror stories from my coworker who had to write the mac curse client in it |
| 22:08.00 | nohh | eh, just another language.. wouldn't be my first choice |
| 22:08.29 | nicoli_s | like for me, any language where you have to use a 3rd party xml parser, is too old |
| 22:08.55 | nicoli_s | i like having my tools easy to use and right at my fingertips, so i can worry about the actual app and less about the dependencies |
| 22:08.55 | nohh | like system.xml? :o |
| 22:09.23 | nicoli_s | do they have a builtin one in objective C? if so i wonder why my coworker didnt use that |
| 22:09.47 | nohh | no i mean C#.. I know that'd be first party but still it's not that different |
| 22:10.15 | seebs | I really like Objective-C. At least by comparison to C++. |
| 22:10.19 | nohh | I'd rather program in Java/C# over Objective C any day |
| 22:10.24 | seebs | I guess that's sorta damning with faint praise. |
| 22:11.05 | seebs | Dunno C#, I overall like Objective-C better than Java. Or rather. I like the NextStep classes better than I like the Java ones. I can take or leave the languages. |
| 22:11.14 | Orix | real men manage their own memory? :P |
| 22:11.29 | seebs | Objective-C has gc anyway now. |
| 22:11.32 | nicoli_s | heh, no thanks |
| 22:11.43 | seebs | Although... I'm one of the crazy people who actually doesn't usually have trouble with C memory management. |
| 22:11.56 | seebs | I still write more C than anything else, for one reason and another. |
| 22:12.06 | seebs | The big thing I work on is at a level where nothing else makes sense, really. |
| 22:12.07 | nicoli_s | i dont really have trouble with it, id just rather not deal with it unless i really need to |
| 22:12.15 | Orix | i almost never code in straight c |
| 22:12.23 | Orix | and if its c++ i abuse boost :P |
| 22:12.41 | nohh | C#/Ruby for me now, whee |
| 22:12.52 | nohh | the odd couple |
| 22:14.31 | seebs | I love Ruby. |
| 22:14.40 | seebs | Ruby is one of the only languages I *actually like*. |
| 22:14.43 | nohh | it's ok |
| 22:15.01 | seebs | C and Ruby, I like. Most stuff I can tolerate but I don't like it. |
| 22:15.08 | nohh | i really like C# :x |
| 22:15.55 | seebs | I've ignored it. I try not to get attached to MS's APIs. :) |
| 22:16.43 | nohh | i just love visual studio |
| 22:16.51 | nohh | and intellisense |
| 22:17.04 | nicoli_s | visual studio is so nice |
| 22:20.54 | seebs | Wow. I had to use Visual C++ a while back, and loathed it. Must have improved. |
| 22:24.03 | nohh | it has, but i liked it when writing C++ too :p |
| 22:24.28 | seebs | Huh. |
| 22:24.39 | seebs | Well, I'm not much for most IDEs. I don't think that way. |
| 22:24.47 | seebs | Syntax highlighting is really distracting to me. |
| 22:24.54 | seebs | <-- not actually human |
| 22:25.50 | nohh | i just like things like intellisense helping you figure out exactly what class/function/variable you're looking for without having to jump to another file or documentation |
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| 22:26.46 | seebs | " It is ridiculous to imagine TOR not being perfect. The magic of the Star Wars franchise is that nothing associated with it has ever been overhyped." |
| 22:26.55 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:26.57 | seebs | ... Apparently, this needed to be LABELED as sarcastic. |
| 22:27.02 | nicoli_s | where did you read that gem seebs |
| 22:27.03 | seebs | Because otherwise it's too hard to tell. |
| 22:27.10 | seebs | Someone's sig. ... quoting me. |
| 22:27.14 | nohh | sounds about right |
| 22:27.18 | seebs | I said it in one of the TOR threads a while back. |
| 22:27.18 | nicoli_s | i have heard really good things about TOR so far |
| 22:27.33 | nicoli_s | from coworkers who have played it |
| 22:27.35 | seebs | I just trolled Scott Hartsman, no clue whether he'll fall for it. |
| 22:27.45 | nicoli_s | cant wait till i get my press key |
| 22:27.50 | lXl | How? |
| 22:28.26 | seebs | He posted the state of the game announcement. So I posted "dude, learn to use the search function" and linked to an existing thread about the state of the game press conference. |
| 22:32.19 | seebs | I'm Helping! |
| 22:32.51 | nohh | nicoli_s: did you hear they're shutting down their testing servers? |
| 22:32.58 | nohh | i think bioware's giving up |
| 22:33.05 | nohh | going home, no more swtor |
| 22:33.19 | nicoli_s | nohh:which testing servers? |
| 22:33.30 | nohh | the servers upon which people are testing swtor |
| 22:33.41 | nicoli_s | whered you hear they are shutting down? |
| 22:33.46 | nohh | the internet |
| 22:33.58 | nohh | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-a4D_r-3b8eM/Th7tBpeETeI/AAAAAAAAAI4/M47iTnJGDP8/s1600/newclient.jpg |
| 22:34.01 | nicoli_s | ok well i can tell you with 100% certainty its not true |
| 22:34.19 | nicoli_s | that doesnt say shutting down, just a new build |
| 22:34.43 | nohh | i was just kidding about the giving up part :o |
| 22:34.51 | nohh | but the servers are shutting down for a while |
| 22:35.52 | nohh | on the 20th.. aka day before comic con |
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| 22:49.39 | Sling | nohh: get me an invite :+ |
| 22:49.51 | nicoli_s | me too |
| 22:49.57 | Sling | im playing too much rift |
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| 22:59.24 | hp94 | Google keeps way too much information for me to join them |
| 22:59.30 | hp94 | It's also why I left facebook |
| 23:04.32 | nohh | i've gotta get myself an invite first |
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| 23:09.02 | hp94 | Google+ is bad. |
| 23:12.16 | fewyn | liar |
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