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| 03:28.44 | mckenziemc1 | ______ |
| 03:29.30 | Cairenn | ~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 03:29.30 | purl | No, really, STOP! |
| 03:29.47 | Cairenn | lol, forgot about that |
| 03:33.23 | mckenziemc1 | O.o |
| 03:35.49 | Ackis | what do I buy when I'm capped on planarite? |
| 03:37.45 | blueberry | +3 planar changes, +2 stacks of glow sticks, stop farming them for a week. |
| 03:37.54 | Ackis | glow sticks? |
| 03:38.15 | seebs | All the faction vendors sell glow sticks. |
| 03:38.21 | seebs | Sadly, you can only have one up at a time. :( |
| 03:38.30 | Ackis | oh the dancing thing? |
| 03:39.00 | blueberry | buy a 2nd source engine (the blue one) for your offfspec |
| 03:39.13 | Ackis | have two already |
| 03:39.48 | Ackis | I have all the squirrels |
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| 03:52.22 | blueberry | hmm, stop farming planarites for a while is all I can think of. :) |
| 03:55.00 | Ackis | I haven't been farming htem lol just been getting them |
| 03:57.49 | nohh | buy augment boxes, sell augments |
| 03:59.22 | Cairenn | http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?206023-Addon-Access-to-External-Resources&p=2696200&viewfull=1#post2696200 |
| 03:59.26 | Cairenn | discuss |
| 04:00.40 | mckenziemc1 | no |
| 04:00.45 | Cairenn | okay |
| 04:09.38 | mckenziemc1 | i want out-of-game access but am undecided on whether it's actually a good idea or not |
| 04:11.26 | mckenziemc1 | and the idea in that last post would have to be addressed before considering the idea in the OP, as it would be possible to implemetn the 2nd if the first is possible at all |
| 04:12.05 | mckenziemc1 | well, it would be complicated, and i guess you could technically do something similar with wow's current system |
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| 04:14.38 | mckenziemc1 | allowing access to lua's exec function would obviously be bad, but if even if the system does nothing more than allow you to read and write files on demand, those could be used as pipes to an outside program |
| 04:36.28 | Sling_ | hmm the longer it takes to debug code, the greater the chance of applying hacks |
| 04:36.31 | Sling_ | but it works now! |
| 04:36.51 | mckenziemc1 | breaks it again |
| 04:37.10 | Sling_ | noo |
| 04:40.57 | nohh | Cairenn: awful idea |
| 04:41.11 | nohh | add web services instead |
| 04:43.34 | mckenziemc1 | o.o |
| 04:50.24 | Sling | indeed, communication tunneled trough a trion proxy or something |
| 04:50.33 | nohh | give every account and character a GUID accessible via script.. could implement a storage service using a web service pretty easily and the data would be accessible no matter what computer you used and be specific to the account or a character.. |
| 04:50.42 | nohh | no need for Trion to be involved, really |
| 04:51.09 | Sling | i doubt trion will give away that much control over such communication |
| 04:51.25 | nohh | idk what you mean by that |
| 04:51.58 | Sling | well if the addon can freely communicate over an uncontrolled ´rift.exe -> external source´ channel |
| 04:52.54 | Sling | ah i guess the devvers will give it some good thought |
| 04:53.27 | nohh | it's just like savedvariables, just other services have access to the data so they can do neat stuff with it |
| 04:58.07 | nohh | if it was all centralized, you'd probably want it to be run by someone trustworthy, and be able to authorize access to your data to specific services via OAuth or something... if everyone had to write their own that wouldn't be a problem as I doubt they'd make it accessible to third parties and they'd only get data from their own addons |
| 04:58.38 | nohh | (doubt anyone besides Trion would run a centralized data store though as there's no money in it) |
| 04:58.50 | mckenziemc1 | unless you charge for it |
| 05:00.49 | nohh | well the money would have to flow from user->addon->datastore, as I doubt a user would want to give money directly to a datastore |
| 05:01.27 | nohh | and who knows how many addons would be worth paying for |
| 05:03.43 | nohh | and if you're already making an addon worth paying for I doubt you'd find it difficult to set up a simple key/value storage web service, how much benefit is there to using some centralized datastore you have to pay for |
| 05:05.40 | nohh | anyway I think it'd be great to have http support |
| 05:06.12 | nohh | and some way to turn tables to/from json |
| 05:06.27 | mckenziemc1 | i think it would be better to have pipe support and have the other end implement sockets |
| 05:06.49 | nohh | oO |
| 05:07.37 | nohh | no 3rd party executables thanks |
| 05:08.19 | mckenziemc1 | what about all those other 3rd party executables on your computer you use on a daily basis |
| 05:09.11 | nohh | i try not to run things from random people claiming to be able to do cool things to your video games if you run this program |
| 05:09.34 | mckenziemc1 | then apply teh same rule to the things you'd use that pipe to the game |
| 05:09.47 | nohh | like Gatherer in WoW adding locations of nodes via a 3rd party program, or WoWhead uploader |
| 05:10.30 | fewyn | s/WoWhead/Wowhead |
| 05:10.31 | nohh | a webservice talking to lua isn't going to give your computer a virus, running some 3rd party program just might |
| 05:10.56 | mckenziemc1 | right, but that's always a problem |
| 05:10.58 | nohh | apologies, fewyn :) |
| 05:11.07 | mckenziemc1 | rift or no rift |
| 05:12.22 | nohh | people want to do local I/O or IPC so they can do things that they can't inside of lua, or without the constraints of the UI... all they really want to pass data back and forth - a webservice allows you to do that without opening up Rift players to potential malware |
| 05:14.06 | mckenziemc1 | i don't think the rift client or servers should be allowed to connect to arbitrary ips either |
| 05:16.25 | nohh | why |
| 05:17.38 | mckenziemc1 | aside from large additional loads on trion's systems (in the case of the latter) you add rift as a possible hiding place for ddos bots |
| 05:18.00 | Lyme | I personally don't think that it is secure to let the rift client read/write to anything other than a set folder |
| 05:18.28 | nohh | well idk why rift's server would be talking to IPs, only talking about client-side addons |
| 05:19.28 | mckenziemc1 | in order to prevent having the rift client have to open a bunch of client end connections |
| 05:20.03 | nohh | as for ddos.. idk what to say about that :p it's certainly something you can mitigate if it was a problem which I really doubt |
| 05:20.17 | Lyme | I also don't think it is a good idea to able addons to control movement and/or actions |
| 05:22.03 | mckenziemc1 | i run two wow accs and it's a PITA to keep the addon data for both of them in sync :( |
| 05:22.25 | nohh | Lyme: it's no more insecure than anything else once you have the ability to send chat messages via the API.. any data you can send over HTTP you could just send in a /tell to someone in game |
| 05:22.41 | mckenziemc1 | i have them symlinked to one data folder but if i have two logged in at once, the 2nd one to close will overwrite anything written by the 1st |
| 05:24.01 | Lyme | The reason behind having set folders for input/output is to ensure a addon doesn't screw with your computer, and little about rift |
| 05:24.22 | nohh | I don't want any I/O to my local machine |
| 05:24.46 | Lyme | you already have it |
| 05:24.46 | nohh | filesystem rather |
| 05:24.49 | Lyme | combatlog |
| 05:24.58 | Lyme | and what about auctioneer type things? |
| 05:25.18 | nohh | I mean I don't want addons able to write to my filesystem |
| 05:25.43 | Lyme | so, no auctioneer except for ones that have a webserver for them |
| 05:25.54 | nohh | auctioneer? uses savedvariables |
| 05:26.09 | nohh | big fat saved variable |
| 05:26.11 | nohh | s |
| 05:26.16 | Lyme | could do, I wonder what the limits on that are. |
| 05:26.28 | Lyme | and how well it handles large amounts of data |
| 05:27.01 | mckenziemc1 | wow handles up to 30MB, and auctioneer has to compress its data to stay under that (once you've done a lot of scans) |
| 05:27.20 | nohh | not as well as http://api.riftauctions.com/?func=avg-price&item=1 |
| 05:27.20 | mckenziemc1 | but then it takes like 40 seconds to write every time you log out |
| 05:27.34 | Lyme | although ultimately I'd prefer if trion simply provided aggregate auction data |
| 05:28.49 | mckenziemc1 | that was another reason i wanted to be able to write on demand, so i didn't have to do a full reload to save anything i didn't want to lose, and have to deal with long logout times |
| 05:29.34 | nohh | writes an addon to fill your harddrive full of 0s |
| 05:30.10 | mckenziemc1 | writes an addon to fill your harddrive full of 0s through the chatlog |
| 05:30.42 | mckenziemc1 | haven't seen that one yet, even though it's afaik a real possibility in wow :p |
| 05:30.44 | nohh | Too many messages! |
| 05:30.53 | mckenziemc1 | true |
| 05:31.09 | mckenziemc1 | idk if it logs print |
| 05:31.17 | nohh | shrugs |
| 05:31.26 | Lyme | ahh, the good old days of raid frames.. kicking your client because of too much communication on the hidden channel |
| 05:33.09 | nohh | i just know you could make some pretty cool stuff with web services |
| 05:33.22 | nohh | cross server tell addon? |
| 05:33.36 | mckenziemc1 | and i think you could make some cool stuff with local comm that wouldn't work as well with web services |
| 05:33.57 | nohh | what's your killer app? :p |
| 05:34.12 | mckenziemc1 | in my case, data sync |
| 05:34.27 | nohh | how about auctioneer with data aggregated from everyone running the app |
| 05:34.28 | Lyme | an app that takes over control from you when you hear key words, and lets someone pvp you as you do nothing |
| 05:34.47 | nohh | would you kindly die from falling damage |
| 05:34.56 | Lyme | you did say killer |
| 05:35.19 | Lyme | if trion provides aggregate auction info, there is no reason to have a group auctioneer app |
| 05:35.26 | nohh | mckenziemc1: you can do data sync with the data stored externally too, and not just synced for clients running on the same computer |
| 05:35.49 | nohh | Lyme: true but will they? and will it be streamed to the server as new auctions are created? |
| 05:35.52 | mckenziemc1 | 'and not just synced for clients running on the same computer' not an issue either way |
| 05:36.00 | nohh | mckenziemc1: not for you perhaps |
| 05:36.00 | mckenziemc1 | and less latency would be nice |
| 05:36.10 | mckenziemc1 | no, i mean it could be done either way |
| 05:36.16 | Lyme | nohh, no idea, all these questions are for trion to answer |
| 05:36.31 | nohh | by running a 3rd party program to sync the data? |
| 05:36.40 | mckenziemc1 | or a 1st |
| 05:37.27 | nohh | I doubt Trion is going to make anything like that, unless someone makes an addon and it takes off in popularity |
| 05:38.12 | mckenziemc1 | chicken or the egg |
| 05:38.27 | Lyme | mmm, chicken salad |
| 05:38.40 | mckenziemc1 | though not many people have multiple accs |
| 05:38.49 | mckenziemc1 | (for my specific example) |
| 05:39.02 | Lyme | gold farmers would love apps for botting |
| 05:39.12 | mckenziemc1 | irrelevant |
| 05:39.26 | mckenziemc1 | if this would help botters something's wrong with the implementation |
| 05:39.34 | nohh | I want people to be able to make awesome addons, I just don't think Trion should be doing it in such a way that encourages 3rd party applications running on people's computers, especially when there's such a large market for malware that steals people's account information |
| 05:41.48 | mckenziemc1 | i wish it was simple as making the default be that addons couldn't comm with anything outside, and having an option so that users could manually turn it on if they knew what they were doing |
| 05:42.17 | mckenziemc1 | but it's not, people would enable it if they thought it would get them something cool, whether they understood it or not |
| 05:42.24 | mckenziemc1 | (the code they were enabling) |
| 05:43.08 | nohh | well I imagine they could program in permissions for something like that, would be quite a bit more complicated i think |
| 05:43.58 | nohh | but yeah i think you'd see a lot of cool addons that utilize it.. so people will associate "needs to communicate externally" with "must do something cool" |
| 05:44.10 | Lyme | I fully expect that Trion is going to sandbox addons, and at least to start, thoughts of distributed, web enables, services are not going to make the cut. |
| 05:44.44 | nohh | push that envelope Zorba |
| 05:45.03 | mckenziemc1 | lol |
| 05:45.22 | Lyme | Zorba, remember that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. |
| 05:45.41 | nohh | and that a stitch in time saves nine |
| 05:45.46 | nohh | and a penny saved is a penny earned |
| 05:45.57 | mckenziemc1 | (10:35:15 PM) Lyme: if trion provides aggregate auction info, there is no reason to have a group auctioneer app |
| 05:45.58 | mckenziemc1 | check out theunderminejournal.com |
| 05:46.11 | Lyme | You can save a million lives, but kill one person and you are still a murderer. |
| 05:46.19 | mckenziemc1 | well, i'm not sure exactly what you meant, so that may be irrelevant |
| 05:48.43 | mckenziemc1 | nohh: a web service would require i find some webserver to bounce my data off of (and that i or they have the appropriate infrastructure to handle the comms) whereas a pipe would be much simpler |
| 05:48.50 | Lyme | As business goes, you can make a amazing product that saves a million lives, but if it screws up (or is perceved as doing so) the business is generally dead. In the same vein, addons can be wonderful, but if someone manages to do something nefarious, Trion will undoubtedly lose customers. |
| 05:49.15 | mckenziemc1 | though i don't know web programming, maybe its not that bad aside from needing the physical host |
| 05:49.18 | Lyme | As such, they need to weigh the benefit vs the possibility. |
| 05:49.51 | mckenziemc1 | or society needs to train people to not be mindless zombies |
| 05:49.58 | Lyme | mckenziemc1: nice site, if aggregate data was availible to the addons, you wouldn't need it. |
| 05:50.00 | nohh | Lyme: If they were worried about people doing something bad with addons they wouldn't add them at all.. there's going to be problems regardless of what they do |
| 05:50.10 | Lyme | mckenziemc1: send me a tell when you succeed with that. |
| 05:50.28 | Lyme | nohh: it isn't a black and white situation, it is shades of gray |
| 05:50.33 | nohh | the company isn't going to fold cause some punk makes a malicious addon, especially when addons have to be installed by the user |
| 05:50.41 | mckenziemc1 | Lyme: what exactly do you mean by 'aggregate data' |
| 05:51.09 | mckenziemc1 | i doubt trion wants to hold data about all auctions completed in the last two weeks (which tuj holds to show the Sold Volume data) |
| 05:51.33 | nohh | Trion already survived a major fowl-up with the whole people being able to log in as other accounts w/o their password thing |
| 05:51.46 | Lyme | aggregate as in statistics rather than individual detail. |
| 05:52.14 | Lyme | nohh so it's ok if they screw up again right? |
| 05:52.21 | mckenziemc1 | what if i want to use different weights in my averages then trion |
| 05:52.43 | mckenziemc1 | i need individual data so that i can recalculate using my own formulae |
| 05:53.08 | nohh | Lyme: it takes a lot to get people to stop using a service they're otherwise enjoying -- you think people are going to stop using their Playstation 3s? And they got their credit cards stolen |
| 05:53.28 | seebs | New Haseno thread! That guy is rapidly becoming one of my favorite posters, in a sort of "hey look it's the funny guy again" way. |
| 05:53.31 | Lyme | hmm, there is more than one definition of average? |
| 05:53.59 | Lyme | nohh: I'm sure a lot of people are no longer going to buy anything online from sony for quite a while. |
| 05:54.02 | seebs | Lyme: There's three major types of averages and most financial stuff would use a fourth. |
| 05:54.37 | nohh | for auctions you would want to look at moving averages |
| 05:54.38 | Lyme | seebs: example? |
| 05:54.44 | seebs | Mean, median, mode are the basic types. Financial stuff tends to use moving averages, weighted averages, or moving weighted averages. |
| 05:54.47 | nohh | 5-day 20-day 100-day moving averages |
| 05:54.54 | mckenziemc1 | ~wiki average |
| 05:55.00 | Lyme | a moving average is a moving average, not a average, median and mode are not averages. |
| 05:55.14 | Lyme | which is why they have the name median and mode and not average. |
| 05:55.16 | nohh | then there's arbitrage - average prices as a function of date/time |
| 05:55.39 | mckenziemc1 | Lyme: the 'average' youre thinking of is called the mean |
| 05:55.39 | nohh | buy X on Tuesday to sell on Thursday when it sells for 10% more on average |
| 05:56.00 | mckenziemc1 | that's why it's called the mean, because othre things are also called average ;) |
| 05:56.42 | nohh | get enough auction data into a database and you could do market analysis and sell it back to people looking to make money in-game |
| 05:58.02 | Lyme | mckenziemc1: my appologies, my definitions are heavily based on statistics |
| 05:58.55 | mckenziemc1 | uhh, what? |
| 05:58.55 | Lyme | nohh: that would make sense if the economy of rift were more complex |
| 05:59.07 | seebs | It's complex enough to make that VERY profitable. |
| 05:59.25 | nohh | would be nice if auction-houses were cross-realm |
| 05:59.27 | Lyme | is it? |
| 05:59.29 | seebs | Nearly all MMOs are because of weekends. |
| 05:59.41 | seebs | Basically, some things are a lot cheaper wednesday-thursday, others sunday-monday. |
| 05:59.46 | seebs | Learn which are which and you can be wealthy. |
| 05:59.53 | mckenziemc1 | when calculating an 'average', there's the question of how much you weight outliers |
| 06:00.06 | mckenziemc1 | there are possibilities even beyond mean median and mode |
| 06:00.38 | mckenziemc1 | minimize the sum of differences, the square, the cube? |
| 06:00.50 | Lyme | seebs: It must be because it is simply a game to me, and wealthy in game doesn't mean much. |
| 06:01.42 | nohh | beats being poor |
| 06:01.56 | seebs | Yup. Doesn't matter a whole lot, and I'm not bothering in RIFT. |
| 06:01.59 | nohh | people play the game different ways though, some just like playing the AH |
| 06:02.11 | seebs | In WoW, you could make a particularly huge amount of money because of crafting cooldowns. |
| 06:02.14 | Lyme | plus there is a downside to being wealthy in rift |
| 06:02.25 | nohh | all the women? |
| 06:02.30 | mckenziemc1 | xD |
| 06:02.48 | seebs | Transfer limits. |
| 06:02.49 | Lyme | you can't server transfer with more than a specific amount of money |
| 06:03.02 | Lyme | one of my guild mates had 600p and couldn't transfer |
| 06:03.05 | seebs | Have not yet had it be an issue. :) |
| 06:03.15 | nohh | poor little rich kids |
| 06:03.24 | mckenziemc1 | you can't send it to an alt or give it away? (i don't play yet D: ) |
| 06:03.29 | nohh | buy up the AH then resell it post-xfer |
| 06:03.41 | Lyme | mckenziemc1: you can do a lot of things, but just like in death, you can't take it with you |
| 06:03.52 | nohh | can even make money that way if you subscribe to my newsletter on cross-server arbitrage |
| 06:03.57 | seebs | Someone was saying you could beat that with vendor refunds. |
| 06:04.07 | seebs | Buy a couple of horses, transfer, sell 'em back within the half hour. |
| 06:04.08 | mckenziemc1 | true, i had misinterpreted your statement |
| 06:04.10 | seebs | Dunno whether it works. |
| 06:05.32 | Lyme | might work, easy to fix though.. no refunds after transfering |
| 06:08.12 | nohh | darn, oldmansacks.com is taken.. need a new name for my Rift Financial Services website |
| 06:11.22 | nohh | no baresterns.com either |
| 06:12.27 | mckenziemc1 | try a different tld :p |
| 06:12.50 | nohh | pssh no one ever goes to any sites that don't use .com |
| 06:13.10 | Lyme | if you are making a web service for your addon, who cares? |
| 06:13.15 | mckenziemc1 | ^ |
| 06:13.28 | nohh | web interface obviously |
| 06:13.54 | Lyme | thankfully they do not express feelings |
| 06:14.03 | mckenziemc1 | rofl |
| 06:15.02 | nohh | (There is going to be a) web interface obviously (thus why the URL would be important) |
| 06:15.53 | Lyme | still waiting for the punchline why a few extra letters in the url make any difference |
| 06:15.55 | mckenziemc1 | i was being facetious before |
| 06:16.21 | mckenziemc1 | but your addon probably needs to know the url anyway :P |
| 06:16.35 | mckenziemc1 | unless you're planning on always keeping the same url |
| 06:16.39 | mckenziemc1 | ip* |
| 06:17.21 | nohh | well I could probably get .ca but I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I did |
| 06:17.35 | Lyme | we don't want you |
| 06:18.29 | Lyme | nothing personal mind you, just a quota thing |
| 06:20.16 | nohh | Victoria's nice and all but no thank you |
| 06:22.19 | Lyme | once again, the quota thing |
| 06:27.21 | Cairenn | nohh: and what, precisely, is wrong with a .ca domain? |
| 06:27.42 | nohh | it's not .com |
| 06:27.54 | Cairenn | uh huh |
| 06:28.14 | mckenziemc1 | wuh woh |
| 06:28.44 | Cairenn | You do realize that your administratrix is a Canadian as well, right? :p |
| 06:28.48 | nohh | Of course |
| 06:29.21 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:29.39 | Lyme | I could see it being really funny how none of his app submissions are accepted |
| 06:30.04 | nohh | rolls his eyes |
| 06:31.28 | mckenziemc1 | mutters something about california being a better use for .ca |
| 06:31.31 | mckenziemc1 | jk! |
| 06:31.40 | nohh | should be .eh amiright? |
| 06:32.08 | lXl | I scrolled up for backlog and saw oldmansacks.com, then decided I probably don't want to know. ??? |
| 06:32.15 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:32.16 | mckenziemc1 | lolol |
| 06:32.32 | nohh | that'd be a play on Goldman Sachs |
| 06:33.11 | nohh | just like Bear Stearns -> Bare Sterns -> Naked Rears |
| 06:33.32 | nohh | See? Clever. |
| 06:34.56 | Lyme | makes note that is what they consider clever, where ever nohh comes from. |
| 06:36.59 | mckenziemc1 | canada |
| 06:37.11 | mckenziemc1 | :D |
| 06:37.15 | Lyme | So anyhow, I was watching a episode of criminal minds with my wife this evening, and they had a ambulance wired with explosives hooked to a cell phone to remote detonate. |
| 06:37.48 | Lyme | So they go to all this length to block all the cell phones in new york so that the signal would not get through and he could drive it to safety. |
| 06:38.13 | Lyme | I wonder why no one told him that ambulances come with silver warmth blankets that if you wrap the cell phone, it gets not signal. |
| 06:38.31 | nohh | probably cause it was a tv show |
| 06:39.11 | Lyme | makes for a extremely contrived climax |
| 06:40.43 | blueberry | you are like my bf, watching tv show for its realism :P |
| 06:41.06 | Lyme | That and the other group finds the guy with the cell phone and goes to apprehend him, even as they can see he is waiting for signal.. like, damn, shoot him. |
| 06:41.53 | Lyme | she picked the show, I would have prefered big bang theory |
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| 07:00.38 | WardenBlight | when is addon coming to alpha server? |
| 07:01.26 | Cairenn | We don't know for sure, hoping it'll be back on PTS this week |
| 07:02.08 | Cairenn | You're welcome :p |
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| 08:10.32 | seebs | Apparently there is an item that lets you turn into a hedge or crate. I want that so much. |
| 08:12.08 | nohh | does it let you sneak past mobs or make exclamation points appear over their heads before they attack? |
| 08:12.49 | lXl | One time i walked aroung in a crate downtown. I wasn't able to sneak past anyone. |
| 08:12.54 | lXl | around* |
| 08:13.16 | nohh | MGS lied to you :( |
| 08:13.25 | lXl | Quiete |
| 08:13.33 | lXl | Wow my typing just sucks. |
| 08:19.29 | blueberry | a hudge and a crystal that other users can click on |
| 08:19.32 | blueberry | a hedge* |
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| 08:34.00 | hp94 | Good morning everyone |
| 08:40.04 | blueberry | hi!!! |
| 08:40.44 | hp94 | Wazzzzzzuppppppppppppp? |
| 08:41.04 | hp94 | stabs own eyes. |
| 08:41.13 | hp94 | Sorry I had to do that, not sure what came over me. |
| 08:42.21 | blueberry | heh..im reviewing for my c++ test tomorow |
| 08:42.39 | nohh | good luck with that |
| 08:43.47 | blueberry | thanks. i know mostly everything however i just had trouble making certain loops work |
| 08:44.12 | blueberry | but we write programs on paper on tests so i wouldn't have to fight against the compiler |
| 08:46.31 | nohh | well if you ever have any questions i could help, or i imagine others in here could as well |
| 08:47.36 | blueberry | i indeed will have questions :) and thank you! |
| 08:47.48 | blueberry | i'm getting to the arrays part, i am really bad at that |
| 08:49.19 | nohh | k well don't hestitate to ask |
| 08:51.06 | Sling | multidimensional associative arrays make my head hurt sometimes :) |
| 08:51.16 | Sling | but its always a nice moment when it ´just works´ |
| 08:57.23 | blueberry | i think i know why IT/programmer people are always cranky. programming can be so frustrating at times. =) |
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| 09:24.16 | hp94 | You know what we really need for API? |
| 09:24.22 | hp94 | Quest Stuff. Lots of it. |
| 09:44.35 | Morv | how needs quest related things in the API?! There is a full blown questhelper already build in... |
| 09:47.14 | Morv | i would really like to see more item and inventory related stuff. Things that let you build things like automagically self-sorting bags. |
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| 11:31.14 | Hegarol | hey guys |
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| 13:03.40 | Myrroddin | morning all |
| 13:04.37 | Hegarol | hey |
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| 14:43.00 | nicoli_s | morning everyone |
| 14:46.32 | nohh | ahoy |
| 14:49.31 | lantana | good morrow fair gentles |
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| 14:54.23 | nicoli_s | heres hoping we get addons back this week |
| 14:55.25 | Hegarol | why? |
| 14:56.14 | nicoli_s | so i can start working on mine again |
| 14:56.20 | nicoli_s | i hate dry coding |
| 14:56.39 | nohh | so unfulfilling |
| 14:56.52 | Hegarol | oh sorry I thought you had some indication that they will enable it again ^^ |
| 14:56.57 | nicoli_s | i do |
| 14:57.06 | nicoli_s | they said theyd turn it back on soon after the patch went up |
| 14:57.21 | Hegarol | besides that :P |
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| 15:00.56 | lantana | they still have no better eta on that? |
| 15:02.17 | nicoli_s | nope, bug ZorbaTHut |
| 15:03.08 | Nobgul-bnc | nicoli_s, What addon u writing? |
| 15:03.20 | nicoli_s | Nobgul:couple diff ones |
| 15:03.54 | Nobgul-bnc | Anything noteworthy? |
| 15:03.58 | Nobgul-bnc | healbot cough cough |
| 15:04.08 | nicoli_s | mainly a custom map addon for displaying points and things, and an addon that allows for searching of npc locations, vendor locs, and other stuff |
| 15:04.26 | Kraps_w | anyone doing clique? |
| 15:04.28 | Nobgul-bnc | sounds good. |
| 15:04.40 | Nobgul-bnc | I started doing healbot but cried myself to sleep |
| 15:04.50 | Kraps_w | and grid |
| 15:04.55 | Nobgul-bnc | grid yes |
| 15:07.53 | Nobgul-bnc | I don't see xlique in the list of addons people said they were porting |
| 15:07.57 | Nobgul-bnc | clique |
| 15:10.15 | Morv | i dont like the thought that people are just "porting" Addons from $this_other_game to rift. Makes me think that we could just stop that and start playing this other game then |
| 15:11.14 | Morv | saying like "making an addon for rift which enhances the ui in a way that $addonname did in $othergame" sounds much better ;) |
| 15:12.38 | Nobgul-bnc | hrmm |
| 15:14.25 | nicoli_s | im looking forward to people using the huge amount of data that trion provides in an addon |
| 15:15.26 | Morv | ATM I am looking forward to TRION pushing a new aplphaclient w/ addons! ;) |
| 15:26.12 | Nobgul-bnc | Soon I hope |
| 15:28.28 | Nobgul-bnc | free once a week toon transfers is nice |
| 15:29.52 | Morv | im not shure why anyone should need to do that once a week... but anyhow its way better than paying $25 ;) |
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| 15:30.37 | Nobgul-bnc | As with wow i have noticed a huge diffrence between realms. |
| 15:30.46 | Nobgul-bnc | Some are more firendly some are more elitest |
| 15:30.53 | Morv | sure |
| 15:31.05 | Morv | but still no need to transfer every week |
| 15:31.17 | Nobgul-bnc | Sure there nija run |
| 15:31.17 | Kraps_w | humanity is the same everywhere |
| 15:43.03 | sylvanaar_work | this channel needs some commit bot so we can see all the busy bees |
| 15:43.53 | Morv | are people actually working on stuff while we cant test it in the client? |
| 15:44.34 | Morv | (i am not and i doubt that many are doing things right now) |
| 16:46.23 | nicoli_s | morv:im working on addons |
| 16:47.02 | sylvanaar_work | Morv: think positive |
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| 17:17.09 | Morv | nicoli_s: may I ask what youre working on? |
| 17:17.23 | Morv | sylvanaar_work: shure :-) |
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| 17:48.06 | nicoli_s | Morv:sorry, tis secret for a bit |
| 17:48.16 | Morv | ok :) |
| 17:48.16 | nicoli_s | oh, you mean my addons |
| 17:48.24 | Morv | yea |
| 17:48.32 | nicoli_s | http://rift.curseforge.com/addons/rifthelper_mapview/ and http://rift.curseforge.com/addons/rifthelper/ |
| 17:49.19 | Morv | ah, i see :) |
| 17:49.49 | nicoli_s | man where are all the zam people, need to talk to me |
| 17:49.51 | nicoli_s | em* |
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| 18:19.13 | nicoli_s | so ZorbaTHut:any word on addon reactivating? |
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| 19:48.54 | hyperChipmunk | <3 http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?215541-pm-patch-6-24&p=2700410&viewfull=1#post2700410 |
| 19:50.28 | Morv | :) |
| 19:50.58 | Morv | youre running RIFT on a Mac (or another unix)? |
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| 19:51.31 | seebs | I'm not right now, but I may be in the forseeable future, so I sorta care. |
| 19:51.46 | seebs | I also like the underlying information that Trion will fix bugs that are outside the "suppported" scope. |
| 19:52.08 | Morv | yea, thats great :) |
| 19:56.37 | hyperChipmunk | Morv: yeah, Linux |
| 19:56.59 | hyperChipmunk | I was playing winedbg all weekend |
| 19:57.06 | hyperChipmunk | instead of rift >8( |
| 19:57.40 | Dramiel | still better than working all weekend :/ |
| 19:57.49 | hyperChipmunk | also, candidate for great posts hall-of-fame in the Tech Support forums today: http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?217363 |
| 19:58.09 | hyperChipmunk | Dramiel: true, but i did have to go to a cousin's grad party, too |
| 19:58.17 | hyperChipmunk | makes retching noises. |
| 19:58.38 | Dramiel | oh noes, thats horrible :p |
| 19:59.42 | hyperChipmunk | there was sun! |
| 20:00.08 | hyperChipmunk | and so many ppl >8\ |
| 20:01.24 | Dramiel | are addons enabled on pts? |
| 20:01.41 | Dramiel | just downloaded some 60mb patch and cant login to test it :p |
| 20:02.06 | Morv | uuuh what? |
| 20:02.44 | Sling | hm ¨RiftIRC drowns in madness, Waves of Madness Developer chat this Friday at 11AM West, 2PM East.¨ on #rift @ irc.riftirc.com |
| 20:05.27 | hyperChipmunk | is that "(Waves of Madness Developer) chat" or "(Waves of Madness) Developer chat", I wonder |
| 20:05.41 | Sling | arent all developers a bit mad |
| 20:05.46 | Morv | harhar :D |
| 20:05.59 | seebs | Waves of (Madness Developer chat). |
| 20:06.00 | lantana | it comes with the territory |
| 20:06.05 | lantana | ^ |
| 20:06.06 | hyperChipmunk | only those who are developers, developers, developers, developers |
| 20:06.15 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
| 20:06.30 | nicoli_s | Cairenn:whats the best way to get in touch with Nizdar? |
| 20:06.40 | hyperChipmunk | ballkickings |
| 20:06.52 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: sec |
| 20:09.55 | hyperChipmunk | secs only works if you're Cairenn |
| 20:12.31 | Kraps_w | wild secs |
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| 20:17.43 | Morv | ooh i can actually "see" the addon button |
| 20:17.57 | Morv | but its faded out |
| 20:17.58 | nicoli_s | yay |
| 20:18.03 | nicoli_s | err boo :( |
| 20:18.03 | Morv | cant click it :( |
| 20:21.03 | lantana | dreams crushed |
| 20:26.54 | Morv | har har har hit Level 2 by slaying a cat in Meridian :D |
| 20:27.25 | Morv | (yes that means their is no leveling vender either) |
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| 22:21.01 | Sling | mmh pwetty http://riftupgrade.mathijs.info/ |
| 22:21.11 | Sling | (no, only rogue dps still, but soon...) |
| 22:34.55 | nicoli_s | cool stuff |
| 22:35.17 | nicoli_s | needs auto complete for the item name |
| 22:38.38 | Sling | you can use the arrow keys\ |
| 22:39.12 | nicoli_s | well i mean when you type Swo it should bring up a list of items that start with Swo |
| 22:39.19 | Sling | it does |
| 22:39.39 | Sling | unless you disable js or something |
| 22:39.45 | nicoli_s | weird, didnt work for me |
| 22:41.14 | Sling | http://mathijs.info/files/dropdown.png thats what it should do :) |
| 22:41.17 | Sling | what browser u use? |
| 22:41.31 | nicoli_s | chrome |
| 22:41.51 | Sling | works here in chrome, weirdness |
| 22:41.58 | nicoli_s | ahh, there it goes |
| 22:42.02 | nicoli_s | just some weird delay |
| 22:42.06 | nicoli_s | works fine now |
| 22:42.14 | nicoli_s | might be my comp, it has some problem loading js sometimes |
| 22:42.31 | Sling | ill dispatch some gnomes to deal with it |
| 22:44.08 | nicoli_s | this your site? |
| 22:44.21 | Sling | ye |
| 22:44.29 | nicoli_s | very cool |
| 22:44.34 | Sling | working on triom.xml import now and then other classes soon |
| 22:44.45 | nicoli_s | i miss being able to work on cool stuff like this |
| 22:45.01 | Cairenn | Sling: it's looking good :) |
| 22:49.30 | lantana | i need to stop making pretty internet things and start making functional internet things |
| 22:49.59 | Sling | i cant make pretty things so i dont have a choice :p |
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