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00:05.35Genesisbye bye
00:51.26*** join/#pixterdev raleigh (~raleigh@69.27.145.96)
00:54.46raleighi mailed emsoft for their uclinux source a couple weeks ago...
00:54.50raleighnever got a response
00:55.04raleighdoes someone still have an untainted copy?
00:55.20sunrunner20define untainted?
00:55.48raleighunmodified, untouched
00:55.59raleighor as close as you have :P
00:56.25sunrunner20they have not released the full source
00:56.42sunrunner20they violate the GPL in multipul areas
00:58.09raleighah, found a good link: http://home.cyberec.com/~embed/juicebox.tar.gz
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12:13.33*** join/#pixterdev prpplague (~billybob@72.22.136.4)
12:28.43prpplaguei really don't know what to do about emsoft non-compliance for the GPL
12:37.35sunrunner20we could hack the source out of them
12:37.43sunrunner20and then black box it
12:38.00sunrunner20where somebody like me sees it writes the specs for what they refuse to release
12:38.04sunrunner20then archive/destory it
12:38.34sunrunner20are they US based?
12:38.51prpplaguesunrunner20: no, not US based
12:39.01sunrunner20crap
12:39.08sunrunner20if they were we could sue it out of them
12:39.25prpplaguesunrunner20: problem is that they are in violation of the GPL on at least 3 issues
12:40.07sunrunner20yea
12:40.14sunrunner20wait
12:40.16sunrunner20i know one
12:40.28sunrunner20they won't give us their "modules
12:40.29sunrunner20"
12:40.32sunrunner20but what else?
12:41.12prpplague1) SD/MMC spi code
12:41.19prpplague2) LCD data
12:41.35prpplague3) statically link libc binary for the video player
12:41.38prpplaguebrb
12:42.01sunrunner20k
12:42.11sunrunner20whats the FSF saying?
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13:33.18sunrunner20i wonder if we can have matell put pressure on emsoft
14:08.28prpplaguedoubt it
14:08.35prpplaguefsf hasn't responded to my email
14:09.10sunrunner20i hope i don't have to try to go vigel ante on this
14:09.22prpplaguehehe
14:10.01sunrunner20though for legal reasons i'll never tell about it
14:10.26prpplaguehehe
14:10.40sunrunner20i'll just let the community know
14:10.57sunrunner20like a ./ "jucebox sourc leaked"
14:11.15prpplagueha
14:11.18prpplaguei wish
14:11.40sunrunner20whats the return IP for emsoft's emails?
14:12.07prpplaguehaven't look
14:12.31sunrunner20how hard will it be for us to do the missing parts from scratch?
14:17.45prpplaguesunrunner20: the sd/mmc spi isn't hard at all
14:17.59prpplaguesunrunner20: lcd would be more difficult without more information
14:18.18prpplaguesunrunner20: we'd need to boot a working jb up and then use jtag to read all the lcd registers
14:18.25prpplaguesunrunner20: but thats really not the issue
14:18.37prpplaguesunrunner20: the issue is the fact that they are not GPL compliant
14:18.55prpplaguesunrunner20: they don't even include a written offer for the GPL code in the box
14:19.20sunrunner20thats matell's fault isn't it?
14:19.48prpplaguesunrunner20: not sure
14:20.03prpplaguesunrunner20: as i think emsoft is actually manufacturing and packing the device
14:20.44ShortWaveHrm
14:20.45sunrunner20notify matell and see what happens
14:20.46ShortWaveWell
14:20.51*** mode/#pixterdev [+o prpplague] by ShortWave
14:21.01ShortWaveHopefully they'll wake up soon.
14:21.39prpplaguei've already sent emails with no reponse
14:21.58sunrunner20slap a law suit on their door
14:22.03sunrunner20that'll wake up the legal department
14:22.07sunrunner20and its only $15
14:24.43sunrunner20if we can find a lawyer
14:28.44sunrunner20I know two
14:47.37prpplagueok new email sent to FSF
14:47.51prpplaguei'll follow up with FSF for the next week or so
15:51.50*** join/#pixterdev TexsGent (TexsGent@ip68-99-165-140.hr.hr.cox.net)
15:52.22TexsGentGreetings...NE1 here.
15:53.26Yotienot really
15:53.56TexsGentK  Just curious if there has been any talk about the juice box adapted for robotics use.
15:56.13TexsGentWill check back this evening.
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16:09.17Genesisbonsoir
16:09.23sunrunner20morning
16:10.11Genesis:)
16:21.35Genesis++
16:24.02sunrunner20anybody want to chip in to the "buy a hot air rework wand for juicbox moding" fund?
16:27.58prpplagueYotie: hehe, there are people here
16:28.08prpplagueYotie: jb hacking is just getting started back up
16:28.22prpplagueif anyone cares, i cleaned up the wiki
16:30.42sunrunner20yea
16:30.45sunrunner20and i have a submission
16:32.23prpplaguesunrunner20: ?
16:32.41raleighprpplague, yes, i noticed (and downloaded the emsoft uclinux src)
16:32.47raleighthanks
16:32.52prpplagueraleigh: np
16:33.53sunrunner20oh
16:33.54sunrunner20http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Flash/NAND/256Mbit/K9F5608U0A/K9F5608U0A.htm
16:34.05sunrunner20hows that look for juicbox compatablity?
16:34.28sunrunner20"* Sound is a Cirrus Logic CS43L43 http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/pro/detail/P132.html
16:34.29sunrunner20"
16:34.33sunrunner20needs to be added to the wiki
16:35.24sunrunner20I think I have 32meg(bytes) SDram and NAND flash thats compatable w/ the juicebox
16:39.52prpplaguesunrunner20: uh, so why don't you add it?
16:40.54prpplaguei wish i knew who octel was
16:41.58sunrunner20dunno how
16:42.15sunrunner20<PROTECTED>
16:42.53prpplaguesunrunner20: hehe yea enclose it, {{{CS43L43}}}
16:44.45sunrunner20k
16:48.19sunrunner20what do you mean octel?
16:48.40sunrunner20http://www.avaya.com/
16:50.19prpplaguesunrunner20: some with the nick octel has been adding info to the JB wiki
16:50.52sunrunner20oh
16:51.04sunrunner20doesn't wiki keep ip addys?
16:51.10sunrunner20or
16:51.14sunrunner20put commetns in the wiki!
16:51.26sunrunner20"octel email me...."
16:53.30sunrunner20woor
16:53.30sunrunner20edited
16:55.27prpplaguehehe, i'll edit his wiki homepage
16:58.07sunrunner20http://www.rofl.name/lolcity/
16:58.36prpplaguesunrunner20: hehe you got it added, hehe
16:59.10sunrunner20got what added?
16:59.11sunrunner20the sound?
16:59.13sunrunner20yea
16:59.14sunrunner20got that done
16:59.39prpplaguei need to get some more details up for the jtag and also for making your own sd/mmc cart
16:59.51prpplagueplus i need to jtag off the lcd settings
17:00.08sunrunner20ShortWave made a good JTAG image
17:00.40sunrunner20http://www2.stormwind-studios.com:5150/JuiceBox/juicebox-jtag-uart-power-points.jpg
17:00.47sunrunner20or whoever that is
17:01.21sunrunner20whoever has those pice
17:01.33sunrunner20has the QFP chip
17:01.40prpplaguehehe, thats my photo, hehe
17:01.42sunrunner20i've got a blob for my Soc :S
17:05.47prpplaguesunrunner20: yea, all mine are CoB's as well
17:06.07sunrunner20CoB/
17:06.39prpplaguehttp://www.elinux.org/wiki/ChipOnBoard
17:07.34prpplaguei also have to get that info about the flash socket on their
17:08.03sunrunner20http://www.rofl.name/allyourbase/
17:09.28prpplaguesunrunner20:  yea i love that one
17:10.18sunrunner20i forget whats the from
17:11.54prpplaguesunrunner20: an old video game badly translated from japanese
17:12.24sunrunner20i know
17:12.27sunrunner20but which game.
17:12.34prpplagueoh
17:24.33sunrunner20woor
17:24.34sunrunner20zero wink
17:24.36sunrunner20*wing
17:24.43sunrunner20awww
17:24.48sunrunner20sege gennisis
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18:12.07*** topic/#pixterdev is Development for embedded devices based on arm7tdmi core - see wiki @ http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBox for Juicebox information.
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